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May 28, 2013, 11:45:04 AM
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how do you get "trust"?

People need to trust you and add you to their trust lists, plus feedback.  Read through the linked post.
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May 28, 2013, 04:41:39 PM
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As I understand it, ripple is meant to incorporate trust management in its core? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

BTW, if anyone has some ripple spare to head my way it would be greatly appreciated and repaid Smiley

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May 28, 2013, 04:58:56 PM
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As I understand it, ripple is meant to incorporate trust management in its core? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

BTW, if anyone has some ripple spare to head my way it would be greatly appreciated and repaid Smiley

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Ripple may have trust management built in, but that has nothing to do with trust on the bitcointalk forums.

Also, removed your address as we don't allow begging here.
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May 28, 2013, 06:12:11 PM
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Right, sorry mate.

I checked the marketplace sections again and noticed the trust 0/0 thingy, hadn't noticed it before I read this forum. It's a great idea - except almost everyone I've looked at trading and offering srevices have 0/0 trust. Is that because we cannot see it as long as this silly newbie timer thing is running?

Trust is such a difficult challenge, and I meant to say, I really hope ripple will end up providing a solid solution to this technical (and social) challenge. As I said, would be even great to integrate it into forums somehow. I think how we've been doing it on irc for ages with the key exchanges is annoying and tedious as hell but understand why it is necessary. That could also be a more 'silent' or less public system, but its interesting I never noticed it before and thanks for pointing it out!

About the 'beg', woops, I'm honestly sorry about that. I did see the disclaimer about begging, and it goes without saying that is just poor etiquette, but I wasn't actually asking for monies, just a ripple 'invite' as this silly antispam/newbie lock came about since after I last posted years ago and never realised it had been introduced, and missed out on posting to ripple discussion board yet again. At the same time, I had completely no idea that it would be interpreted as that considering people display their hashes for btc/ltc (and ripple?) all over the shop, and figured it was common practise.

Once again, apologies. Won't happen again Smiley

Thanks for the great info!

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May 29, 2013, 05:00:14 PM
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Just read through the link and I think it's a pretty cool idea. I'm curious to see how it'll develop as the community continues to grow.
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May 29, 2013, 05:11:27 PM
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This is a good idea. I hope it does not degrade into something like the system on eBay, but this makes it easier for members to find out who to trust in transactions.
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May 29, 2013, 05:44:54 PM
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I think it's a good idea in general but I can easily foresee blackmailers etc. trying to use it to downvote sellers and ruin their reputation.

Edit: It seems to me you mods are creating more and more work for yourself without needing too, you should just focus on keeping the spammers out more than anything.

If there are blackmailers, people can post their information and they will be removed from any trust lists they're on. Untrusted feedback should be looked at critically, since you don't "trust" the person who left it. 

And this actually makes for less work, will make the scammer tag much less necessary (which was heavily reliant on admins/mods). 

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May 29, 2013, 06:49:25 PM
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It'd be even better if it was somehow built on top of a coin... like a trust coin or something
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May 29, 2013, 07:23:31 PM
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It'd be even better if it was somehow built on top of a coin... like a trust coin or something

How would that help at all?  The point of the system is to have something integrated with the forums.  An alt-coin for this would do nothing for that.
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May 30, 2013, 03:31:15 AM
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I think it's a good idea in general but I can easily foresee blackmailers etc. trying to use it to downvote sellers and ruin their reputation.

Edit: It seems to me you mods are creating more and more work for yourself without needing too, you should just focus on keeping the spammers out more than anything.

I believe that the system,  when vigilantly maintained, will drown out the erroneous complaints of a few would-be blackmailers.

25 years ago on bbs (this one time, at band camp) we used to use a transit circle to build trust.
Anyone interested in knowing how this works?

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May 30, 2013, 06:39:42 PM
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I'm a developer and have been thinking about the bitcoin trust issue.
Here are my thoughts:

- The blockchain is not a good place for messaging.
So,
- Thinking of a website where registered users can 'claim' transactions or addresses as theirs, by using the public key message signing features.
- Users that have been validated as owning a transaction/address can make public comments about them.  (ie. there will be a page for the transaction/address, and then comments about the transaction from verified buyer/seller.)
- Registered users can make a profile to establish identity, with number of successful transactions as a trust signal, links to buyer/seller feedback, etc.
- If users do not own the transaction/address, they can be redirected somewhere else to comment (some forum, subreddit, etc.).

Will anyone here find that useful?


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May 30, 2013, 06:58:25 PM
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I'm a developer and have been thinking about the bitcoin trust issue.
Here are my thoughts:

- The blockchain is not a good place for messaging.
So,
- Thinking of a website where registered users can 'claim' transactions or addresses as theirs, by using the public key message signing features.
- Users that have been validated as owning a transaction/address can make public comments about them.  (ie. there will be a page for the transaction/address, and then comments about the transaction from verified buyer/seller.)
- Registered users can make a profile to establish identity, with number of successful transactions as a trust signal, links to buyer/seller feedback, etc.
- If users do not own the transaction/address, they can be redirected somewhere else to comment (some forum, subreddit, etc.).

Will anyone here find that useful?

Definitely a cool idea, though it needs to be made easy for the average user to do everything (for it to succeed).
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May 30, 2013, 07:09:10 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0

I would suggest reading up on the trust system.  The above link goes to the announcement topic from the Meta section.

I'm going to leave this thread unlocked for newbies to ask questions and help each other understand.  Useless replies and off-topic remarks will be deleted.


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Web of trusts hardly work in the long run.   Look at SSL certificates and Ebay seller ratings.
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May 30, 2013, 07:28:00 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0

I would suggest reading up on the trust system.  The above link goes to the announcement topic from the Meta section.

I'm going to leave this thread unlocked for newbies to ask questions and help each other understand.  Useless replies and off-topic remarks will be deleted.


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Web of trusts hardly work in the long run.   Look at SSL certificates and Ebay seller ratings.


Can't really compare this one to Ebay IMO, because only feedback from people in your 'trust network' is counted.  If you maintain a good trust network the system should work (in theory).
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May 30, 2013, 10:36:25 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0

I would suggest reading up on the trust system.  The above link goes to the announcement topic from the Meta section.

I'm going to leave this thread unlocked for newbies to ask questions and help each other understand.  Useless replies and off-topic remarks will be deleted.


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Web of trusts hardly work in the long run.   Look at SSL certificates and Ebay seller ratings.


Can't really compare this one to Ebay IMO, because only feedback from people in your 'trust network' is counted.  If you maintain a good trust network the system should work (in theory).

It appears to be the beginnings of a topic-centralized credit union.

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May 30, 2013, 11:18:16 PM
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It appears to be the beginnings of a topic-centralized credit union.

TO ANY LAWYERS OR CORPORATE BANKER TYPES INTO BITCOIN, please consider how to do this like the Swiss would.

What?  Can you elaborate?  I'm a little confused.

The trust system just gives you a way to filter feedback given to people based off of trades.
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May 31, 2013, 01:41:00 AM
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I like the feedback depth idea, it means coin developers can't smear posters by repping negative trust if their coin is criticised.

I wonder, is there a default whitelist for trusted members who have reached a certain threshold? Otherwise newbies won't see anything show up until they trust someone, and the system will be missed by many, and thus under-utilised.

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May 31, 2013, 02:53:36 AM
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I like the variety of ideas here but the trust on the buy side is different from trust on the sell-side and it's all really a matter of who sends the first non-negotiable transaction and that's why a system that distinguishes these is most useful. This post used to be a plea for help when I thought that I got scammed by a user on here who had a buy-side history but it was just a slow response time from him even though he wanted the transaction "immediately". Emotions...  Roll Eyes

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May 31, 2013, 03:16:36 AM
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It appears to be the beginnings of a topic-centralized credit union.

TO ANY LAWYERS OR CORPORATE BANKER TYPES INTO BITCOIN, please consider how to do this like the Swiss would.

What?  Can you elaborate?  I'm a little confused.

The trust system just gives you a way to filter feedback given to people based off of trades.
When you buy a house in some countries, they run what they call a credit report; while it is a fair to midland marker for the reliability of the risk, a better way would be to only asses the tested reliability of the risk.

Is this person a risk with my 100 btc; well no, the have proven trustworthy with a lot more than that by someone who is in turn trusted by others: and so on . . .

By establishing a network that does not draw a profit to track this info an provide people with security in an insecure time. The goal being to perpetuate the principals on which bitcoin was founded.

I just hope someone of means has a transcendental understanding as to lead them to the same conclusions.

Simply to help, as I have been helped.

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May 31, 2013, 05:49:14 PM
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It appears to be the beginnings of a topic-centralized credit union.

TO ANY LAWYERS OR CORPORATE BANKER TYPES INTO BITCOIN, please consider how to do this like the Swiss would.

What?  Can you elaborate?  I'm a little confused.

The trust system just gives you a way to filter feedback given to people based off of trades.
When you buy a house in some countries, they run what they call a credit report; while it is a fair to midland marker for the reliability of the risk, a better way would be to only asses the tested reliability of the risk.

Is this person a risk with my 100 btc; well no, the have proven trustworthy with a lot more than that by someone who is in turn trusted by others: and so on . . .

By establishing a network that does not draw a profit to track this info an provide people with security in an insecure time. The goal being to perpetuate the principals on which bitcoin was founded.

I just hope someone of means has a transcendental understanding as to lead them to the same conclusions.

Simply to help, as I have been helped.

I'm still not exactly sure what you're trying to say... your phrasing and wording is odd, is English your first language?
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