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May 29, 2013, 11:40:38 PM |
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If you ever wanna see a a refund, better get it now, they obviously won't be able to cover for everyone.
You know they have been paying 25 employees, suppliers, facilities, Josh's life insurrance, a few Nexus 7 and fans, etc. for over a year using your "pre-order" money, right ?
It would be against the law if they touch my pre-order money. Unless they shipped my unit, they are not allowed to do so. Once BFL goes belly up it will be interesting to see if they've broken this law. Gray area. It's perfectly legal to use your funds to develop and ship a product AS LONG as they deliver. That would be a good question to ask on the legal forums.  |
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May 29, 2013, 11:44:26 PM |
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I'm loving the Top Gun theme. please, carry on  I am just happy somebody got it.  |
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sniffinpoprocks (OP)
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May 29, 2013, 11:52:10 PM |
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I upgraded mine, pretty reasonable price for 2Gh/s when you consider other options. That said it's very dependent on when they ship!!
It's not clear if the $100 gets you more hardware, or a simple firmware parameter change. If it's more hardware then if it would be just worth it, as the base unit costs $54.4/GH/s and the upgrade is only $50/GH/s. However if it's just a firmware change then it's not worth $100, because the labour involved would be trivial, might pay $50 max. Not only a firmware change (talking about Jalapeno here though) The 7's will have chips that do 3.5 GH/s easy . The 5's may or may not, depends. Think AMD 7970 vs 7950. Where was this quote? It implies that some of the 5's may do 7 also? Without the 'upgrade'? ps, sorry to rejack this thread back. |
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philips
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May 29, 2013, 11:55:27 PM |
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Not only a firmware change (talking about Jalapeno here though) The 7's will have chips that do 3.5 GH/s easy . The 5's may or may not, depends. Think AMD 7970 vs 7950. Where was this quote? It implies that some of the 5's may do 7 also? Without the 'upgrade'? ps, sorry to rejack this thread back. BFL forum > Shoutbox > Inaba Like he said: The 5's may or may notSo probably you could try a 7GH firmware on a 5GH unit and it may work or not. |
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sniffinpoprocks (OP)
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May 30, 2013, 12:06:20 AM |
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cool, sounds like they'll be binning some of the 5's to make sure they can do 7.
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Rant2112
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May 30, 2013, 12:49:41 AM |
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IMO if you have a very early order I'd skip the upgrade.
If your order is far enough down the queue just wait for others to order upgrades and see how they do in the wild. I assume you can update later when you have a better idea of the risk and reward?
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philips
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May 30, 2013, 01:00:43 AM |
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I paid 50$ for 1GH. Is not that much.
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Bitcoinorama
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May 30, 2013, 01:09:50 AM |
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You say it's not that much, but has it fucked with your order positioning?
I mean they have no prototypes of this firmware and hardware revision yet.
The initial model we know they can build.
So which is shipped first? Those stubborn and happy to take the initial spec, or those that want new improvements??
You may find if you upgrade you wait longer than you could have if you did nothing and left your order as it was...
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philips
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May 30, 2013, 01:18:01 AM |
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The delivery order is the same. Upgrading will change nothing except your unit(s) power.
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newmars
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May 30, 2013, 01:23:30 AM |
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i just upgrade it. Hope it won't cause any shipment issue.
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Bitcoinorama
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May 30, 2013, 01:31:33 AM |
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The delivery order is the same. Upgrading will change nothing except your unit(s) power.
Yes but someone has already stated they are using different chips for this upgrade, not just a firmware upgrade. In which case it's new untested parts which require a new prototype and therefore means old chips they have in hand goto old design spec and presently ready sooner than the new chip based designs and orders... |
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Nemesis
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May 30, 2013, 01:36:05 AM |
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The delivery order is the same. Upgrading will change nothing except your unit(s) power.
Yes but someone has already stated they are using different chips for this upgrade, not just a firmware upgrade. In which case it's new untested parts which require a new prototype and therefore means old chips they have in hand goto old design spec and presently ready sooner than the new chip based designs and orders... Stop with your FUD, idiot. |
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k9quaint
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May 30, 2013, 01:40:30 AM |
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The delivery order is the same. Upgrading will change nothing except your unit(s) power.
Yes but someone has already stated they are using different chips for this upgrade, not just a firmware upgrade. In which case it's new untested parts which require a new prototype and therefore means old chips they have in hand goto old design spec and presently ready sooner than the new chip based designs and orders... I figured it was the result of BFL binning the chips. The boards support multiple chips, so they could arrange them in any configuration that makes economic sense. 2 binned @ 3.5GH/s, One binned @ 3.5GH with one binned @ 2.5GH, 2 binned @ 2.5GH/s, etc I suspect that this is sort of a bolt on for the Jalapeno units, since originally they were supposed to be a single chip at a single performance point. Now that it has multiple chips, and the chips have multiple bins they have more flexibility in the product line. |
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philips
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May 30, 2013, 01:43:30 AM |
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The delivery order is the same. Upgrading will change nothing except your unit(s) power.
Yes but someone has already stated they are using different chips for this upgrade, not just a firmware upgrade. In which case it's new untested parts which require a new prototype and therefore means old chips they have in hand goto old design spec and presently ready sooner than the new chip based designs and orders... Well, you can speculate all you want. If you have an order and afraid you gonna loose you place, just don't upgrade. If you don't have an order, then is not your problem. |
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May 30, 2013, 02:14:19 AM |
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May 30, 2013, 02:17:25 AM |
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Jesus, let it go man. Nobody wants to hear you two argue. Get a room.
Unfortunately there is not one useful BFL thread on this forum, they all get trolled instantly. Considering that forum members probably have hundreds of thousands, perhaps even millions of USD invested in BFL pre-orders, I think the trolling is rather irresponsible as the members deserve useful information on their investment without the deliberate disruption of content. I would like to see at least one heavily moderated information thread on the progress of BLF pre-orders. Goto BFL forums ...there u can have the neo nazi heavly moderated forum of your dreams... I know u r not interested in the truth and would like to sensor everything that is BFL ..why is this ? |
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dentldir
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May 30, 2013, 03:40:23 AM |
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After the upgrade option reappeared, I specifically asked BFL_Jonathan on their forum chat box if upgrading affected your queue position.
The response was "Of course not".
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May 30, 2013, 04:39:25 AM |
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If this was actually true they would not need to make an announcement to take preorders right? They would simply use VC funding to get the product produced then take actual orders. Can't have it both ways. It makes no sense to. - Claims to have VC funding for development of ASIC processors - Announces pre-orders in June 2012 for tentative availability in 5 months (October 2012) - On April 4th 2013, announces doubling of pricing across the board - Presently May 29th 2013, no Single SCs or MiniRigs seen in the wild. No ETA possible due to continuing production issues - Continue to take pre-orders funds with growing community concern of not being able to fulfill order queue in a reasonable timeframe - (insert date) Scammer tags on this forum are now null and void. Please use the Trust thingy. |
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Bicknellski
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May 30, 2013, 04:59:38 AM |
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Lots of NEG heading a few BFL accounts way I bet.
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May 30, 2013, 09:12:33 AM |
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i get the impression that they are trying to develope and sell version 2 of the jala (i.e 2nd gen product line) without building and shipping version 1 that everyone paid for and expected, they also expect you to give them more money to get in line for it.
of course it'll all be ready in 2 weeks.
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