List of ongoing scams

[Operatr]

I'm the owner of StrikeSapphire.

First of all, we denominate our accounts in USD because our software is built to handle multiple deposit methods. We don't hedge one currency against the other or take any trading positions with customer deposits. Once a customer's deposit is in, we convert it to USD and store it as USD -- the same amount you see in your account. What you see is what you get. When we opened in July 2011, BTC dropped from $30 to $2 in the span of a month, but we took no losses, and all of the players with USD in our system were completely unaffected by that.
It's been my belief from the beginning that BTC is, for now, better treated as a payment method than a store of value for us, because we already gamble once with very low- or no-house-edge games. We don't need to gamble with currency volatility on top of that.

We do not make a profit on our BTC<>USD rate. Our deposits and withdrawals are handled at the live rates from Bitstamp.

We have never failed to pay out quickly, and we maintain at least 5x the total customer deposits on hand in USD for immediate withdrawal. We do not have a client-side hashing algorithm built into our site, because most of our games are multiplayer. However every single shoe of cards we've ever dealt is available for public analysis, as well as our daily RTP figures for every game, at https://strikesapphire.com/reports . If you believe there is something unfair about our RNG, you are free to run a statistical analysis on it. If you've played at our site, then any cards you've been dealt can be found in there if you know the hand ID numbers.

I don't know if you're one of our players. If you are, I hope neither myself, FragileJD or Mike has been rude to you. If someone has, please let us know. We do our best to provide quick, excellent service. I know that I have had a reputation for being a hardass from time to time -- particularly in the case of Dooglus. And I have to say I really appreciate Doog for taking the high road here, since I know he doesn't care for me much personally. That does not make us a scam.

We've been in business for almost 2 full years, longer than any other Bitcoin casino currently standing, and have never once failed our customers or had a dispute which resulted in players not getting paid out. I think our record speaks for itself, and I'd appreciate being removed from this list.

Wouldn't worry about it, no one seems to give this much merit as he refuses to actually provide any kind of objective evidence of these claims.

Simply calling something a scam and waiting for a response is unacceptable. If you are going to out a company for wrongdoing the burden of proof is on you, not them.

[DiamondCardz]

LMFAO you don't know jackshit. This is the stupidest list ever, marking sites as scams. PrimeDice is not a scam, last time I checked it didn't eat my mBTC when I tried to withdraw. It paid me instantly. You have NO proof that PrimeDice is a scam.

So, bit777 is a scam because it isn't provably fair? Uh, ok... ._. You go on living in your crazy land mate, I made 2 bitcents off of it.

The funniest part is you labelling SatoshiDice as a possible scam.

You are fucking retarded, lmfao. Keeping the community safe from scams my ass, this needs to be removed, it's just misleading. Or add in a note saying you have no proof.

[tmbp]

LMFAO you don't know jackshit. This is the stupidest list ever, marking sites as scams. PrimeDice is not a scam, last time I checked it didn't eat my mBTC when I tried to withdraw. It paid me instantly. You have NO proof that PrimeDice is a scam.

So, bit777 is a scam because it isn't provably fair? Uh, ok... ._. You go on living in your crazy land mate, I made 2 bitcents off of it.

The funniest part is you labelling SatoshiDice as a possible scam.

You are fucking retarded, lmfao. Keeping the community safe from scams my ass, this needs to be removed, it's just misleading. Or add in a note saying you have no proof.

I am pointing out the flaws while dozens of butthurt investors rage, yes it does have flaws and it is our responsibility as members to point them out rather than bury our heads below the sand with our asses exposed.

The end goal is to contribute to a superior product, not put them down.

[DiamondCardz]

I am pointing out the flaws while dozens of butthurt investors rage, yes it does have flaws and it is our responsibility as members to point them out rather than bury our heads below the sand with our asses exposed.

The end goal is to contribute to a superior product, not put them down.

LOL, i'm done. There are no flaws. People are putting in bitcoin to these casinos, winning, and withdrawing. No-one is suffering financial loss. There is no scam.

[Matthew N. Wright]

I am pointing out the flaws while dozens of butthurt investors rage

I'm not an investor in nor affiliated with in any way, any of the random list of yours, but I can't seem to find a single scam on the list. If your point was to warn the community, try to remember that the community is smarter than you are and it deserves more respect than a few haphazardly bias, baseless opinions to protect it.

[tmbp]

I am pointing out the flaws while dozens of butthurt investors rage

I'm not an investor in nor affiliated with in any way, any of the random list of yours, but I can't seem to find a single scam on the list. If your point was to warn the community, try to remember that the community is smarter than you are and it deserves more respect than a few haphazardly bias, baseless opinions to protect it.

What baseless opinions exactly? Bit777 supports people that post disgusting comments and encourages them, I wouldn't play at his casino only because of that. Most of the descriptions is either fact or a possible way for the casino to rob the customers.

I am pointing out the flaws while dozens of butthurt investors rage, yes it does have flaws and it is our responsibility as members to point them out rather than bury our heads below the sand with our asses exposed.

The end goal is to contribute to a superior product, not put them down.

LOL, i'm done. There are no flaws. People are putting in bitcoin to these casinos, winning, and withdrawing. No-one is suffering financial loss. There is no scam.

There are no flaws? Are you kidding? No-one is suffering financial loss? It's gambling!

[DiamondCardz]

There are no flaws? Are you kidding? No-one is suffering financial loss? It's gambling!

So it's a scam because it's gambling? Rofl.

[tmbp]

There are no flaws? Are you kidding? No-one is suffering financial loss? It's gambling!

So it's a scam because it's gambling? Rofl.

No but if it's gambling someone is suffering financial loss, it's fundamental.

[SoftballSuperstar]

Listening to you is causing me brain cell loss

[Zaih]

There are no flaws? Are you kidding? No-one is suffering financial loss? It's gambling!

So it's a scam because it's gambling? Rofl.

No but if it's gambling someone is suffering financial loss, it's fundamental.

I find it almost a coincidence that you list every single big casino (In terms of bets in the last week or so) as a scam, EXCEPT COINROLL.

It makes me feel like CoinRoll is up to something.

And if they are (Which seems very very likely), they aren't pulling it off well.

[ssaCEO]

There are no flaws? Are you kidding? No-one is suffering financial loss? It's gambling!

So it's a scam because it's gambling? Rofl.

No but if it's gambling someone is suffering financial loss, it's fundamental.

You haven't responded to my post. I don't see why we should be listed as scammy in any way.
In a fair casino, as long as the player is informed of what the house edge is, they are gambling of their own free will because they want to win something. People who play the stock market can also suffer a financial loss when the market moves in the wrong direction. That in and of itself is not a scam, it's just the nature of the risk. It only becomes a scam if they're being deceived about what they're risking, what their chances are, or what they stand to gain. We don't deceive anyone about any of those things, and I feel I deserve a response for why you would have put us on this list.

[tmbp]

There are no flaws? Are you kidding? No-one is suffering financial loss? It's gambling!

So it's a scam because it's gambling? Rofl.

No but if it's gambling someone is suffering financial loss, it's fundamental.

You haven't responded to my post. I don't see why we should be listed as scammy in any way.
In a fair casino, as long as the player is informed of what the house edge is, they are gambling of their own free will because they want to win something. People who play the stock market can also suffer a financial loss when the market moves in the wrong direction. That in and of itself is not a scam, it's just the nature of the risk. It only becomes a scam if they're being deceived about what they're risking, what their chances are, or what they stand to gain. We don't deceive anyone about any of those things, and I feel I deserve a response for why you would have put us on this list.

Yes ssaCEO I have read your response and it has been noted, the problem is that the house edge isn't the only "risk" while gambling, another risk is the chance of the operators being fraudulent, and while the house edge "risk" is mostly true the second risk is fake with almost all casinos.

[DiamondCardz]

This list is totally misleading people, because you're making it seem official. All the community response has been bad, and for a good reason. Take it down.

[tmbp]

This list is totally misleading people, because you're making it seem official. All the community response has been bad, and for a good reason. Take it down.

No? The communities response has been bad because the owners are covering their asses.

[iANDROID]

[dooglus]

I know that I have had a reputation for being a hardass from time to time -- particularly in the case of Dooglus. And I have to say I really appreciate Doog for taking the high road here, since I know he doesn't care for me much personally. That does not make us a scam.

We've been in business for almost 2 full years, longer than any other Bitcoin casino currently standing, and have never once failed our customers or had a dispute which resulted in players not getting paid out. I think our record speaks for itself, and I'd appreciate being removed from this list.

I can vouch for that.  Despite (wrongly) believing that I was using multiple accounts to abuse his promotions he still paid me and my friends out.  What scammer would do that?

Your claim that the site is a scam because it holds your balance in USD is crazy.  Suppose you deposit 10 BTC when BTC cost $100 each, then a few months later you double your deposit and try to withdraw 20 BTC, but in the mean time BTC has gone up to $1000 each.  The casino is stuck having to buy $20k worth of BTC just to pay you out.  Either that or they have to buy and hold enough BTC to cover your potential winnings, taking on the risk that the BTC price might collapse.  Not everyone wants to be invested in Bitcoin; some see it as simply a payment mechanism.

As for the 'risk' that the house might not honour your winnings, you can apply that across the board.  Any time you pay first and expect service later, the service provider can rip you off if they choose.  Just add every Bitcoin company to your list and be done with it!

The communities response has been bad because the owners are covering their asses.

I have no stake in any of the sites I have defended.  In the case of Sapphire I still have somewhat of a sore bottom (am I using the Internet slang correctly here?) but would never say they're a scam.  There's just no evidence that any of them are scams.

[Darktongue]

You just don't get it do you OP. But that's usually how it rolls with you folks with double standards  You post a list of opinion in a sub forum called  Scam accusations . A sub fourn that when the accused are called out usually someone with a valid claim has proof of the matter.  Thus a good number of the time makeing the body of the post FACT not OPINION.  

Not only do you attack these websites but your logic says if 4 people decide to populate a thread that in your opinion is a scam and converse they are scammers as well. I posted some serious slams that naturally wher deleted however you did get a chance to read them.  No fact was in my paragraphs.  I simply stated some harsh rude opinion on your sexual nature,  your family abd and your personal health.  And how did you take those below the line comments?  Not well did you.  From this point on you are not going to participate nicely with me are you?  

As I said in prior posted content.  If you had delivered this in some other manner that wasn't hostile toward groups of people and members in general of this forum.  Asked questions and maybe just maybe had something to actually back yourself up. You would have dodged your own bullet.  Instead you choose to commit suicide when it comes to your rep on this forum.  

Shit like this makes me feel much better about the US legal system.  If the general population is anything like you we would be uber fucked. This was a blatent cry for attention. Hell the least you could have done come up with false evedience rather then none at all

[Matthew N. Wright]

Logical fallacies abound. /thread

[Sk1llS]

Thanks for the list

[tmbp]

You just don't get it do you OP. But that's usually how it rolls with you folks with double standards  You post a list of opinion in a sub forum called  Scam accusations . A sub fourn that when the accused are called out usually someone with a valid claim has proof of the matter.  Thus a good number of the time makeing the body of the post FACT not OPINION.  

Not only do you attack these websites but your logic says if 4 people decide to populate a thread that in your opinion is a scam and converse they are scammers as well. I posted some serious slams that naturally wher deleted however you did get a chance to read them.  No fact was in my paragraphs.  I simply stated some harsh rude opinion on your sexual nature,  your family abd and your personal health.  And how did you take those below the line comments?  Not well did you.  From this point on you are not going to participate nicely with me are you?  

As I said in prior posted content.  If you had delivered this in some other manner that wasn't hostile toward groups of people and members in general of this forum.  Asked questions and maybe just maybe had something to actually back yourself up. You would have dodged your own bullet.  Instead you choose to commit suicide when it comes to your rep on this forum.  

Shit like this makes me feel much better about the US legal system.  If the general population is anything like you we would be uber fucked. This was a blatent cry for attention. Hell the least you could have done come up with false evedience rather then none at all

Too long, didn't read. Why would I after you have bashed me with personal insults?