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Here I will present the current list of ongoing scams in order to protect the community, it has been stripped of all non essentials to keep the community safe from scams, I will hold all Bitcoin businesses for full responsibility:

Legend:
Red http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Most likely a scam.
Orange - Moderate chance of being a scam.
Yellow - Small chance of being a scam.
Blue - Was initially listed as scam, was whitelisted after review.


Strike Sapphire (https://strikesapphire.com/) - Bad attempt at hedging against USD, they make a profit on their own rates. Owner is rude, no provable fairness. - Owner has contacted me, explained the situation and seemed to be respectful and honest, upon further reviewing StrikeSapphire I no longer list it as small chance of being a scam

Casinobit (https://www.casinobit.net/) - Bets are delayed occasionally, some bets have invalid TXIDs owner has contacted me and explained the situation, the results are apparently streamed live now regardless of the feed. Failed to pay investors. - UNDER REVIEW

MasterCoin (http://onbitcoin.com/2013/08/01/mastercoin-proposal-to-make-bitcoin-more-stable-and-secure/) -

Wheresyouredge.com (https://wheresyouredge.com/) - Pending review, DO NOT trust ANY bitcoin poker sites, there are currently none that I know of that use provable fairness.

777coin.com (http://www.777coin.com/) - This casino is beginning to acquire some reputation, certainly better than other scams.

MPEX (http://mpex.co/) - Despite the fact that the security never actually stole or scammed members the owner Mircea Popescu is a disgusting person that uses the term "nigger" on his blog while also constantly putting people down and generally being a complete snob. Lied multiple times about being the owner of a successful company, if it wasn't for Satoshidice releasing stock in MPEX this person would be selling potatoes somewhere in Romania.

SealsWithClubs (http://sealswithclubs.eu/) - Uses ancient software, game-play connection is not secure.

Just-dice (https://just-dice.com/) I have analyzed this reported scam and it seems to be completely fair, furthermore it is being run by the noble "dooglus". There is no proof of statistical data thus I am lowering this dice game. The UI is also rather amateurish which most of the time just makes me look into the owners and check whether the website is a scam, can never be too cautious when every high school kid thinks he can own a Bitcoin casino.

Update: If it isn't obvious that all the bets are submitted by bots at this point I don't know when it will be, dooglus has blantly refused to provide any evidence out of concerns of "privacy", thank you for an additional layer of privacy over the Bitcoin protocol you scammer.

SatoshiMines (http://satoshimines.com/) - Source of entropy is bad, the house can easily bruteforce the hash to make you win/lose. Including "random" non-preselected strings in the hash render the whole process insecure.

Bcpoker.eu (http://www.bcpoker.eu/) - The lack of professionalism of the operators of this website is astonishing NO-ONE should play for real money on this website, I discourage any n00b for opening "mah vary own cas1no" and clearly people keep ignoring my advice as I see new entries of people looking to open a Bitcoin casino for a couple hundred bucks popping up on a daily basis. The owners are known to leak personal information. It is apparently registered by a teenager under the fake name "Adam Gergo Kovacs" as well as a fake address.

Satoshidice (http://satoshidice.com/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - IS based on irrefutable mathematics that behave in an honest manner under normal conditions, sometimes bets are delayed by 24 hours giving the house the window to bruteforce a hash that will be the most beneficial, the house or anyone else that receives access to the secret list ahead of time can submit selective bets and get a significantly lower house edge.

UPDATE 31/7/13: SatoshiDice is officially a scam ladies and gentlemen! Proof:


Almost anyone associated with them speaks in an intellectually appalling language and is full of unapologetic loose cannons, except Voorhees himself.

Bit777 (http://www.bit777.com) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Misleading, calling themselves "industry leading" , not provably fair whatsoever, lack of verifiables of the actual bets processed, can potentially over-inflate their own statistics, a PHP Microsoft IIS/7.5 bot decides whether you win or lose. Encourages disgusting people to post sexually explicit posts that aim to lower the social status or attempt to make other members feel ashamed. They actually use Javascript "alert" as a part of their interface, to anyone with at least half a brain it would be MORE than enough to

   
Bitcoin-Roulette.com (http://www.Bitcoin-Roulette.com) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Shamelessly stole the CSS off another website, doesn't look legit at all, seem to have ripped multiple people off.

PrimeDice (https://www.primedice.com/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Popped up a week ago, claiming to have totaled 11,081 BTC in wagers as of 26-May-2013, domain wasn't even indexed as of a couple days ago. NO verifiables of ANY bets whatsoever. I am going to assume that a fraction of the bets is actually real and others are fakes. Backed up by co-scammers like forum member Zaih that doesn't admit to be associated directly. The 28 page thread is mostly spam between 4 members associated with the scam.

Shilling has been shown to take place in the official thread, this will be obvious to anyone with half a brain.

As of now, Primedice is provably (un)fair.

Satoshibet.com (https://satoshibet.com/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Using shills and being slimey dirtbags that promise people guaranteed winnings by showing fake loopholes through one of their shills https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=256606.0, also fake Total Winnings, Games and Jackpot which is typical to scamming websites.

Tradefortress (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=67058) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Member "Tradefortress" added to the list as per his own request, enjoy your time here you glorious winged douche.

BitcoinVideoCasino (https://bitcoinvideocasino.com/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif  - Fake statistical data as well.

Ripple (https://ripple.com/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Pyramid scheme, homepage contains blatant lies, complete misrepresentation.

Butterflylabs (BFL) (http://butterflylabs.com/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Apparently manufactured the ASICS and mined with them themselves instead of shipping them until it no longer became profitable, owner is an ex-con (and not the good kind either) who has been convicted of mail fraud, forum members inaba (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=8198) and BFL_Josh (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=63314) are fellow fraudsters.

Cryoniks (https://cryoniks.com/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - This sums everything up nicely:
http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/IdonthavePROOF-640x301.png

BitBet.us (http://bitbet.us/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Seemingly innocent but will scam and make money off large bets, forum member MPOE-PR is related to the scam, SatoshiDice is also related to the people who run the scam. The group of people that run the scam are mostly trashy, condescending and prideful for a reason that shall remain a mystery to us. It appears that this is the reason why the reputation of SatoshiDice was questioned by other forum members like "mem".

Bitbox.mx (http://bitbox.mx/) http://s22.postimg.org/t6t8atht9/Untitled_1.gif - Fraudulent, deceptive Terms of Service are no excuse to hold on to the funds of the customers while demanding official documents out of the blue. The customer should be able to get a refund in case he refuses to provide the documents. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227121.0


I will occasionally dig up all the trash on casinos/services and post it here publicly.

EDIT: New websites are popping up everyday, the general rule of thumb is stay clear of any non-vet website and apply common sense.

Prove prime dice is a scam......

Sorry forgot our beloved BFL, also need to add a couple of exchanges that take 2 days to process your order and if Bitcoin rises in the price since they have bought it for your money they will send your money back and claim you tried to cheat them.

You making a list of what you think are scams claiming to protect people is lol if you just throw guesses at them. Prime dice has been paying out all winners. Show me someone who was scammed please.

Pretty sure PrimeDice is not a scam. It got a lot of attention on launch and it has a lot of bets placed, payouts have been paid to everyone.
EDIT : And also very sure Zaih is not a scammer, and I post there often so I suppose I belong to the members, but I am not in any way a scammer.

They could have showed some evidence that the bets are legitimate, (e.g. a txid list) but they haven't, and they won't, because they are a scam.

They may have paid out until now but the fact that they claim such amounts without any evidence is extremely disturbing and disingenuous, it implies that we should not doubt them only because they have said so.

This renders them a high risk casino in my eyes and I wouldn't bet in it.

You obviously know jack shit. Anyone who reads this as fact is an idiot as well. My fave restaurant doesn't reveal its famous recipe....obviously a scam and they are using arsenic.

No but if your favorite restaurant wouldn't be transparent about their earnings the owner would be behind bars right now...

Transparent to a customer? No.  They wouldnt,.

To a regulator, yes. Are you a regulator? Nope.

In Bitcoin the people are the regulators.

If they pay they aren't a scam. You can't label a company or person a scam because you think they will be in the future. Are you Mrs Cleo?

http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=pWyHiV3l3MA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DpWyHiV3l3MA

How are you associated with them again?

If I have a casino and I claim to have gave out millions of dollars in winnings when in reality I only gave out about 20 bucks I am a scammer regardless of paying out people or not. Because if someone bets while under the impression that we're a multi million dollar company instead of a VPS in some nerds basement the risk is a lot higher in reality than what that someone had assumed, otherwise he would most likely have not used your service and not took the risk, it perhaps would even be appropriate to demand a refund since the service is not as advertised.

They have tackled that issue with fiat by regulations, here no casino follows these regulations thus transparency is required, if you want to operate as if you have regulations but really you do not as well as no transparency then you are not only illegal but immoral.

Find me one person who did not receive their winnings.

I'm not associated. At all. But they paid me. Imagine that.

ripple is not a scam you guys just have no clue what ripple is.


imagine the world where the postal service at first gave out free stamps for you to be able to send your paycheque from one person to another for free, and then they start saying the stamps were worth a few pennies to cover their expenses.

you lot of inept people shouting the postal service is a scam don't even realise the postal service exists to transmit finances between people. but complain that the stamps value is a currency and has been printed on mass purely to make the postal service money.

wel that is ripple. ripple is a peer-to-peer exchange where just 1 XRP is enough to transmit more then 1 transaction between people/exchanges. so having just 1000 xrp is enough for many many transactions. yet you lot of inept people dont use ripple for its intended purpose. but purely to trade the stamps(xrp) as an item of value.

please get out of the gutters and realise that xrp is not a blockchain, you cant mine it!! it is just a database coin much like amazon coin. use XRP as the transaction fee for exchanging bitcoin to fiat. and stop complaining that ripple(postal service) is making money seling stamps(xrp).

The problem isn't with them selling stamps or being a postal service, the problem is that they misrepresent themselves as a jewel dealer in order to appeal to people who are exclusively interested in jewels (Bitcoins).

I can tell you right now this is not the best path to take with this tmbp

Without any proof this can be considered libel. Being judge and jury won't earn you any love either, I know this as I did it to myself before correcting my "Coin Canary" thread to be a collection of facts instead of an executioners stump

Bit777 - Misleading, calling themselves "industry leading" , not provably fair whatsoever, lack of verifiables of the actual bets processed, can potentially over-inflate their own statistics, a PHP bot decides whether you win or lose.


Sorry tmbp but we don't even use PHP, not sure how you came to this conclusion... I won't even comment the rest. Too bad you are littering the forum this way.

Wait how the hell did I get dragged into your post?

You've got to be kidding LOL.

Edit: Nvm this was a ploy by Coinroll to try and get them more traffic. Very bad. Have proof if needed

They don't release TXID's since that way you can hijack peoples accounts, since they're based off 'desired payout addresses'. Stunna said he's looking for an alternative however so he can get around that issue.

Your just paranoid.

Also every single other casino you listed I've played on and have had no problems what so ever.

Of course you don't since you cannot address other points, I have corrected the PHP mistake.


"Well I've also participated in pyramid schemes and was paid so it's not like they are scams!"

It's a scam, if they misrepresent, skew and stretch information, it's a scam, even if they pay out afterwards, guess what? It's still a scam. Bitcoin has set back humanity 50 years scam wise with it's alternative monetary system, if you do not care about your customers' trust in you enough to provide this information you deserve the label anyway.

OP wanted attention. OP got attention.

 ::)

Glad I got to call this idiot out.

Op is the guy who blames everything of being a scam so that when he's actually right, he gets a sense of accomplishment.

You speak as if I simply say my personal opinion rather than showing objective facts.


Encouraging that behavior? Wow...

Objective facts are all of these sites have never had an issue paying out.

You are just pissed cause mommy touched you then stopped.

Point proven.   When the tide shifts assholes like you tend to hit the fetal position on the ground.  Grab a binky bitch boy. Your not going to get famous with your populated list of opinions that have no valid points or resources. 

Wait, there's a good kind of ex-con?

The weed smoker that got his pet slaughtered by a violent group of gang members armed to the teeth storming into his home.
The guy that stole 100$ and later gave it back because it's not the way his mother raised him.
There are many brilliant honest people behind bars.

Let's retort ahead of time for whatever bullshit statement you decide to pull out of you crusted asshole next.

How easy would it have been to throw your little list up in off topic. Asking the user base as a whole for opinions on these websites.  Further why bfl?  Don't you think after 11 months people are already with a non droneish opinion reguarding them?  All you have to do is search bfl scam as a keyword search to find countless stains like yourself who have pretty much trolled the exact cum girggled jargon you have.  

You are an idiot.  I'm sure your the a typical generally retarded sum of the incest pool who doesn't read discriptions, instructions or for that matter anything helpful then piss moans later because something didn't work out for you.  Please fucking kill yourself

Your list is a joke, full of guesswork.  Do you consider evidence a "non essential", because you appear to have stripped any evidence from your allegations.


It takes billions of years to brute force sha256.  A 24 hour delay isn't going to help them.  They published all their hashes far in advance, and so have lots of time to bruteforce collisions.

As for them being able to bet against themselves, any casino can do that.


They hold customer balances in US dollars.  That's entirely up to them.  Last I saw they were using the current BitStamp price to do the conversions.  If you want to complain about them I'd pick on the lack of provable fairness and the rudeness of the owner.


They delay bets over a certain threshold to wait for confirmations.  This is pretty standard behaviour, although it would be better if they made this practice clear on their site.


Pics or it didn't happen.

Lack of provable fairness is a worry, but they say they're working on adding it.  Any casino can pretend to be busier than they really are, even satoshidice which is completely 'transparent'.  They just need to bet against themselves to do so, so this "lack of verifiables" isn't an issue.  So long as they deal fair games and pay out when you win what do you care how busy they are?


They've paid me out several times already.  Seems legit to me.


Got evidence?  It's a well designed responsive site.  It's fun to play at, and has a low house edge.  I'm not surprised it attracts a lot of business.

Anything which isn't evidence by itself (e.g. no need to provide evidence that the website doesn't offer provable fairness) can be easily reachable via google in about 3 seconds.


Of course with the level of transparency of S. Dice they would at the very least need to have access to the amount of coins they are trying to fake.

From what I understand the secret list is merely a collection of hashes of a random strings isn't it?


Researched and added.


If bit777 denies the fact that it happened I can post a pic or get an admin that removed the posts to verify.

I do care because it is an indicator of how much can you trust them, would you have seriously not be mad if I have set up a casino and claimed to have received tens of thousands of BTC in wagers and thousands of bets and you bet in it, after that you would find out that you were the first person to bet and we were really in beta so you could have potentially lost the coins?


"That pyramid scheme has already paid out to me multiple times, seems legit to me!"


Evidence for what? I am not the one that needs to show evidence that their statistical data is invalid, they claim it is valid thus they need to show the evidence to prove it isn't, but as usual, they won't, because it isn't.

facepalm + slap across the face with a wet fish..

see this is YOUR misunderstanding. ripples are not dealing out jewels.. xrp is not a jewel or a currency. xrp is simply a stamped address envelope they offer for people to use to do transactions. but its people like you that wish to think that XRP is an item of value to be hoarded and traded for its own asset value.

yes i know there are stamp collectors that like to collect stamps. but that is not the purpose of a stamp. so stop treating xrp as a high priced item and then cry when you don't get much money for it.

ripple made billions of them because they only value xrp as pennies, purely to cover their costs. the same as the postal service printing billions of stamps and selling them for pennies purely to cover their costs.

once you realise its not a currency, alone. but more of a method for the company to get paid for offering the peer-to-peer exchange service you will all stop trying to sell xrp for bitcoin. and start holding onto your 1000 xrp and using them to exchange bitcoin into fiat, fiat into bitcoin where the xrp slowly decreases by decimal amounts as they get USED.

much like i have a drawer with a handfull of stamps that i hold so when i post a cheque i can peel a stamp off the pack and put it on an envelope.

ripple dont have bitcoins to offer customer. ripple allow bitstamp to list their address so that bitstamp is the place to deliver fiat to to get bitcoin in exchange. much like i can send a cheque to a business and get a product in return.

i will say it one last time because you seem to not realise the truth. ripple are not a pawn shop, a bitcoin trader they ar a postal service of IOU's between individuals and other businesses. ripple don't owe you anything. because they dont give out bitcoin or fiat. they just handle the cheques and deliver them to the named people involved.

so rely on what the desciption says on ripple.com. not the inept misuderstandings that individuals tell you that then get edited onto wiki. quoting wiki as a valued source of information is  a failure because its been wrote by individuals.

much like the value of quoting youtube videos as 100% truth purely because something is said does not make it the truth. do your research!
i dont hold stamps to try making money out of, i hold stamps to send cheques/letters in the mail.
that is the true purpose of ripple. a postal service for finance. not a pawn shop for jewels

XRP **is** a currency.

By your definition, bitcoins are just stamps too, they are used to reward miners as well as pay transaction fees so you can embed signatures and scripts in the blockchain, a p2p filesharing network. Bitcoins aren't a currency!

bitcoins are in a different ballgame to xrp.. but this is the problem people think xrp are the exact same thing. once you realise to treat xrp differently, to treat xrp as just the "transaction fee" and not a jewel you will see.

bitcoins have value of a jewel because of the miners doing hard work to earn them.. xrp is not a mining coin..there is no proof of work, so its not a gold or a jewel. so should not be used as a item of value to be traded alone. just used as a tool to ensure secure transport of other currencies.

XRP is not needed to transfer anything, it is a completely arbitrary currency introduced by OpenCoin Inc for two reasons:

1) A currency that requires less (but still requires trust due to ripple.txt) trust to transfer
2) So OpenCoin Inc can get rich off people who think it is open source

Ripple can work without any single XRP. Ripple has, for years, worked without XRP 100% fine. Only after OpenCoin Inc bought it out was XRP introduced. It is directly competing with Bitcoin, which is not a bad thing alone, but XRP/Ripple is not a fair, open source or decentralized currency.

much like the postal service of great britain use to work for decades without stamps. where the queen and kings paid the 'postmen' food and horses to be able to transport mail between districts. but then the stamp was invented to allow individuals to use the service.

much like ripple. for years used by kings and queens (the big timer exchanges) and now using xrp for individuals.

starting to see why the stamp analogy works soo well..
opencoin do need t make money, that is true. they are a business after all. not a charity. but xrp are not gold or silver. they are simply a method of showing a costbase per transaction (decimal of an xrp per transaction) which when people buy xrp are paying for the ability to sending the transaction.

XRP are not intended to be analogised as a jewel or gold. but as a receipt/stamp as a payment of service.

please get out of the cave and read the purpose of ripple from ripple. not the chinese whispered twisted words of the youtube sofa anarchists and wiki editors.

i bet 98% of people that say ripple is a scam have never even used ripple to move bitcoin from their wallet to convert into fiat with bitstamp.
instead they just hang around these forums buying xrp off of other people and trying to sell it on to other people believing that XRP holds a value over and above that of a postage stamp.

Breaking News: MtGox.com is a scam, they take your money and buy bitcoins for you.

I usually refrain from making personal attacks, but how retarded are you?

The "classic" Ripple has existed for many years. Anyone could use it. It did not require XRP. XRP was invented because they need a way to rip off Bitcoiners.

If you call XRPs stamps, then Bitcoins are stamps too.

OpenCoin Inc does need to make money, but a for-profit currency (such as the Federal Reserve Dollar or XRP) is something I do not support. I support open source, and non-profit currency. That doesn't mean you can't build something for-profit on top of a nonprofit currency.

I think he's implying its a scam due to the fact it has decent popularity & claiming that everyone who bets is fake..

I think he's going insane. The sorta insane where people think everyone's against them, working for the government, spies etc. etc.

I'm the owner of StrikeSapphire.

First of all, we denominate our accounts in USD because our software is built to handle multiple deposit methods. We don't hedge one currency against the other or take any trading positions with customer deposits. Once a customer's deposit is in, we convert it to USD and store it as USD -- the same amount you see in your account. What you see is what you get. When we opened in July 2011, BTC dropped from $30 to $2 in the span of a month, but we took no losses, and all of the players with USD in our system were completely unaffected by that.
It's been my belief from the beginning that BTC is, for now, better treated as a payment method than a store of value for us, because we already gamble once with very low- or no-house-edge games. We don't need to gamble with currency volatility on top of that.

We do not make a profit on our BTC<>USD rate. Our deposits and withdrawals are handled at the live rates from Bitstamp.

We have never failed to pay out quickly, and we maintain at least 5x the total customer deposits on hand in USD for immediate withdrawal. We do not have a client-side hashing algorithm built into our site, because most of our games are multiplayer. However every single shoe of cards we've ever dealt is available for public analysis, as well as our daily RTP figures for every game, at https://strikesapphire.com/reports . If you believe there is something unfair about our RNG, you are free to run a statistical analysis on it. If you've played at our site, then any cards you've been dealt can be found in there if you know the hand ID numbers.

I don't know if you're one of our players. If you are, I hope neither myself, FragileJD or Mike has been rude to you. If someone has, please let us know. We do our best to provide quick, excellent service. I know that I have had a reputation for being a hardass from time to time -- particularly in the case of Dooglus. And I have to say I really appreciate Doog for taking the high road here, since I know he doesn't care for me much personally. That does not make us a scam.

We've been in business for almost 2 full years, longer than any other Bitcoin casino currently standing, and have never once failed our customers or had a dispute which resulted in players not getting paid out. I think our record speaks for itself, and I'd appreciate being removed from this list.

Wouldn't worry about it, no one seems to give this much merit as he refuses to actually provide any kind of objective evidence of these claims.

Simply calling something a scam and waiting for a response is unacceptable. If you are going to out a company for wrongdoing the burden of proof is on you, not them.

LMFAO you don't know jackshit. This is the stupidest list ever, marking sites as scams. PrimeDice is not a scam, last time I checked it didn't eat my mBTC when I tried to withdraw. It paid me instantly. You have NO proof that PrimeDice is a scam.

So, bit777 is a scam because it isn't provably fair? Uh, ok... ._. You go on living in your crazy land mate, I made 2 bitcents off of it.

The funniest part is you labelling SatoshiDice as a possible scam.

You are fucking retarded, lmfao. Keeping the community safe from scams my ass, this needs to be removed, it's just misleading. Or add in a note saying you have no proof.

I am pointing out the flaws while dozens of butthurt investors rage, yes it does have flaws and it is our responsibility as members to point them out rather than bury our heads below the sand with our asses exposed.

The end goal is to contribute to a superior product, not put them down.

LOL, i'm done. There are no flaws. People are putting in bitcoin to these casinos, winning, and withdrawing. No-one is suffering financial loss. There is no scam.

I'm not an investor in nor affiliated with in any way, any of the random list of yours, but I can't seem to find a single scam on the list. If your point was to warn the community, try to remember that the community is smarter than you are and it deserves more respect than a few haphazardly bias, baseless opinions to protect it.

What baseless opinions exactly? Bit777 supports people that post disgusting comments and encourages them, I wouldn't play at his casino only because of that. Most of the descriptions is either fact or a possible way for the casino to rob the customers.


There are no flaws? Are you kidding? No-one is suffering financial loss? It's gambling!

So it's a scam because it's gambling? Rofl.

No but if it's gambling someone is suffering financial loss, it's fundamental.

Listening to you is causing me brain cell loss

I find it almost a coincidence that you list every single big casino (In terms of bets in the last week or so) as a scam, EXCEPT COINROLL.

It makes me feel like CoinRoll is up to something.

And if they are (Which seems very very likely), they aren't pulling it off well.

You haven't responded to my post. I don't see why we should be listed as scammy in any way.
In a fair casino, as long as the player is informed of what the house edge is, they are gambling of their own free will because they want to win something. People who play the stock market can also suffer a financial loss when the market moves in the wrong direction. That in and of itself is not a scam, it's just the nature of the risk. It only becomes a scam if they're being deceived about what they're risking, what their chances are, or what they stand to gain. We don't deceive anyone about any of those things, and I feel I deserve a response for why you would have put us on this list.

Yes ssaCEO I have read your response and it has been noted, the problem is that the house edge isn't the only "risk" while gambling, another risk is the chance of the operators being fraudulent, and while the house edge "risk" is mostly true the second risk is fake with almost all casinos.

This list is totally misleading people, because you're making it seem official. All the community response has been bad, and for a good reason. Take it down.

No? The communities response has been bad because the owners are covering their asses.

I can vouch for that.  Despite (wrongly) believing that I was using multiple accounts to abuse his promotions he still paid me and my friends out.  What scammer would do that?

Your claim that the site is a scam because it holds your balance in USD is crazy.  Suppose you deposit 10 BTC when BTC cost $100 each, then a few months later you double your deposit and try to withdraw 20 BTC, but in the mean time BTC has gone up to $1000 each.  The casino is stuck having to buy $20k worth of BTC just to pay you out.  Either that or they have to buy and hold enough BTC to cover your potential winnings, taking on the risk that the BTC price might collapse.  Not everyone wants to be invested in Bitcoin; some see it as simply a payment mechanism.

As for the 'risk' that the house might not honour your winnings, you can apply that across the board.  Any time you pay first and expect service later, the service provider can rip you off if they choose.  Just add every Bitcoin company to your list and be done with it!


I have no stake in any of the sites I have defended.  In the case of Sapphire I still have somewhat of a sore bottom (am I using the Internet slang correctly here?) but would never say they're a scam.  There's just no evidence that any of them are scams.

You just don't get it do you OP. But that's usually how it rolls with you folks with double standards  You post a list of opinion in a sub forum called  Scam accusations . A sub fourn that when the accused are called out usually someone with a valid claim has proof of the matter.  Thus a good number of the time makeing the body of the post FACT not OPINION.  

Not only do you attack these websites but your logic says if 4 people decide to populate a thread that in your opinion is a scam and converse they are scammers as well. I posted some serious slams that naturally wher deleted however you did get a chance to read them.  No fact was in my paragraphs.  I simply stated some harsh rude opinion on your sexual nature,  your family abd and your personal health.  And how did you take those below the line comments?  Not well did you.  From this point on you are not going to participate nicely with me are you?  

As I said in prior posted content.  If you had delivered this in some other manner that wasn't hostile toward groups of people and members in general of this forum.  Asked questions and maybe just maybe had something to actually back yourself up. You would have dodged your own bullet.  Instead you choose to commit suicide when it comes to your rep on this forum.  

Shit like this makes me feel much better about the US legal system.  If the general population is anything like you we would be uber fucked. This was a blatent cry for attention. Hell the least you could have done come up with false evedience rather then none at all

Logical fallacies abound. /thread

Thanks for the list :D

Too long, didn't read. Why would I after you have bashed me with personal insults?

You do not act with minimal respect towards me why should I even respect you enough to dedicate minutes of my life reading your posts? Just seems like childish egoism to me.

A point was proven that you are a teenager, or at least posses the mentality of one.

Don't listen to his list, it's just him making bias accusations with no proof. -.-

Weird how Ripple's not on the list  ;D

edit: In all seriousness though, accusations w/o solid evidence are bad news. I appreciate being removed from suspicion here, but I think if someone's going to point fingers there should be formal, serious evidence...not just maybes or could-be's. If someone comes to my house and I can't find my phone the next day, I don't write internet threads about how they might have stolen it. That's kind of jumping the gun. Same with these websites... basically there's evidence they're scammers or there isn't, in which case you shouldn't accuse them of shit.

It is. For being a "pyramid scheme". Funny. It might be a con, but it's not a pyramid scheme, lol.

What's funny is that it totally is a pyramid scheme, but that's really for another thread  ::)
[ed] it isn't a classic pyramid MLM scheme. But... yeah this is really better saved for another thread completely rather than bumping this one.

Say I leave my phone on the bed in my bedroom and invite 3 old friends over to the living room, after they leave I find out the phone was stolen, the next day when I politely ask every one of them separately whether they had entered my bedroom one says no while providing positive proof and the other two blatantly refuse to answer.

I think in this situation it would be appropriate to mark the two friends that refused as high chance scammers/thieves. Which is exactly what I'm doing in this thread with Bitcoin services, they can stop it anytime they want if they provide positive proof, but they won't, and they can't, because they are guilty.

Just saying, like, what if you do accuse them and later on you find your phone? Or what if you accuse them both, and then it turns out the guy who said "no" actually had his girlfriend over and she took it, so he was telling you the truth? Basically it's just not cool to accuse people unless you know for a fact that they did something. I mean if you played at one of these places and got ripped off then I completely understand you raging about it. But I don't get how you can call them scammers if you haven't tried them or don't have definite proof.

I am not listening them by being scams, I am listening them by the chance of them actually being scams, as their actions become more suspicious they go up the list to "Most likely a scam", if I had actually played at one of them and got ripped off then there would be no doubt left.

Two things:

1) It's very hard to prove you didn't do something.  Can you prove to me you've never murderer anyone?  Of course you can't.  How can your friend prove he didn't go into your bedroom?

2) You're labelling your other two friends as "high chance scammers/thieves".  Only one of them stole your phone, at most.  The other one is innocent.  That's a good analogy for what you're doing here.  Labelling innocent parties as "high chance scammers/thieves".

Hey I might act like a teenager.  But at least my morals are high enough to not bare false witness against innocent people.  I saidwhat I did to pprove a point and you fell right into the trap.  If you dish shit out you better be ready to take it. 

They could have cooperated and did it together.

Plus it was incredibly easy for them to just say no we were not in the bedroom and provide an alibi. So when the conditions meet:
A) It is trivial to provide evidence.
B) The person will NOT provide evidence.

He is a high chance scammer/thief.


We all have the right to say whatever we want on a public forum, that is the beauty of free speech. Your reply did not belong in a civilized community/society, I think we all got a peek into the soul of Darktongue.

Do we in fact know conclusively that BFL is mining with their hardware?

Your calling sites scammers due to the fact they can't prove their legitimacy in terms of volume (Well from what I've gathered).

Like Doog & me discussed on another thread, there is no way you can ever prove that the volume isn't faked. You may as well add every casino on your list (Along with the one your working for; Coinroll). Your wasting your time, and are yet to receive any positive feedback to your accusations. I suggest you stop wasting your time.

Except for this guy, who is obviously just spamming his post count up though.

from the number of your posts I'd say you did your fair share at some point lol

You assume I work for Coinroll just because Primedice is a knockoff of Coinroll and I added them?

That was peculiar wording for someone not associated with CoinRoll.

It's probably PrimeDice trying to make CoinRoll look bad by loosely implying that they are affiliated by them. :D

I am not affiliated with tmbp in any way. I also think that PrimeDice is legit.

Just kidding. tmbp, I have sent you your keys to your new Malibu beach house and complimentary Ferrari. You can also have a Brazilian supermodel of your choosing. Your megayacht is currently being built as per our agreement.

Signed,
your employer.

....tilling your own grave tmbp ::)

Lmao user reg'd April 19th, is this a mem sock or just a mem-level idiot?

both

wrong post

http://i.imgflip.com/1bin.jpg


Is that y'all guys anniversary or something?

list updated

I think we need to sync information.

I see you listing many casinos that while not provably fair have not been proven to be scams.
I prefer the innocent until proven guilty approach.

No, you don't. You prefer the shill out your ears approach. Get lost.

Point proven?

I wasn't aware "MPOE-PR" was associated with SatoshiDice. It's almost like saying I'm associated with this forum just because I use it to post here.

No, but saying that you and Inaba bribe the admins with ad money so they will let you keep pushing your scams down the n00bs throats would be a pretty solid statement.

MPEX owner, Mircea Popescu, "The Wolf" is a stupid kid that should be selling vegetables in Romania along with his (LMAO) PR agent.

What was your point ?

that MPO-ER is an unpleasanrt racist asshat ? if so no need to convince me.

Yes well the way we think seems to differ.

For me since the requirements for Bitcoin casinos are so low (virtually non-existent) I see new projects popping up on Freelancer/Elance everyday asking for new Bitcoin casinos and then they outsource that to the Chinese (good case scenario) or simply teens running casinos in their parents basements (bad case scenario), so my logic is that if a Bitcoin casino owner refuses to implement a provably fair system in addition to constantly refusing to release data to show that he is legit then he is a potential scammer, I rank websites by the chance of them being scammers using their willingness/desperation to hide as inputs.

Players are a lot more important than casinos, I wouldn't have even one player risk BTC because the owners of some casino are dirtbags.

You may be surprised then, I also feel that a casino should be provably fair when there is little to no excuse not to be.
The owner refusing to do so likely means they are manipulating game results in their favour, I voiced this concern regarding strike sapphire when first adding it to my list.

I was quite hard on satoshicircle for claiming provably fair until they improved their system as a direct result of my discussion with Andi the site operator.

Regarding my own list, I originally I felt it was unfair to penalize a new casino simply because it is not provably fair, so I play test and confirm cash in/ cash out works with a few random accounts then approve (usually with a note saying it should be provably fair but isnt).

Now given the multiple examples provided of provably fair systems Im finding I am less inclined to approve these sites. Im also finding the operators start to play dumb when you query the lack of a provably fair RNG.

I do appreciate your work, you definitely put some  thought into it (unlike bitcoinscammers).

Wait, you lost me. I bribed admins with ad money? Do you have any idea how much the mods and admin here are biased *against* me? If there was any doubt by your main OP how clueless you are, it's gone now.

It might be that they hate you but you still advertise your scams along with Inaba.

Well at least it was an entertaining read so far....

Link?

That's just my personal opinion I haven't really investigated that far into my sources, I don't really spend time in gossip, I just make sure the members are protected.

Your "personal opinion" is that I have purchased advertising space (which I've never done) to scam (which I've never done) but you don't really spend time in "gossip" (which is what you're doing) and you don't look into your "sources" (other people's gossip) because you want to "protect" people?

You're more entertaining than dank.

If you weren't a scammer you wouldn't have an Untrustworthy tag and an orange ignore button, stop trying to sell your shit, no-ones buying it.


MPOE-PR I see that you're always posting in my threads, my proposition is still valid if you want to claim it.

Your logic is infallible. How do you feel about Roger Ver who has a criminal record for selling fireworks basically? He must be a scammer because he has a criminal record? Please post more, I'm not even kidding- it's highly entertaining, like watching a neonazi explain why jews and blacks are ruining the world, or government muppets explaining how pot is ruining America.  ::)

How is morality related to legality again? Were you under the impression that we're a bunch of lawyers sitting here making cases against you?

Since you missed the point, the correlation was related to generalization and misinformation. You, an anonymous sockpuppet on the forums, make uninformed blanket accusations against others, admitting that you don't do any research into them prior to making them, under the guise of "protecting people". It would seem you are your own enemy. So far you have claimed I have purchased advertising on the forum (which I never have), then instead of admitting you were wrong when asked to provide proof, you switched to "yeah, but you're probably a scammer", even though you can't provide any evidence of that *either*. Then, since you've run of out tricks you fall back on the "Well if I don't understand it, it must be wrong" thought process, which is fine since bitcointalk.org thrives on such ignorance.

Carry on "protecting" people. It's free entertainment for the rest of us.

Actually you may be on to something, he does sound a lot like dank.

I have researched all the "accusations" in my first post in the topic, you being a scammer is a matter of speculation/personal opinion, I couldn't care more to investigate, you aren't worth that much.

I don't know if you're just trying to troll me that hard without success or is really that thick-skulled.


Every time I post a reply or open a topic you pop up 5 minutes later, you sure you're here for the "entertainment"?  :-*

Their standard of proof is pretty similar to yours it seems.

Not enjoying the accusation any more than the accused on your list are?

Yours whose you sheep?

I'm not sure I follow.

You refer to some casino as "yours", I don't remember pledging allegiance.

P.S. I am not related to any casino either

tmbp you are a scammer. You are scamming the users of this forum out of their own trust to the listed sites on this thread (including us)   :o

Prove it that you are not, otherwise you are.

Either show some proof of your accusations, or delete the thread as this is becoming ridiculous.

Nah, he's not a scammer. He's just sloppy and ignorant. Give it time, once the initial shock of how he has lived this long has worn down, people will stop reading this thread again.

Wow, you claiming I'm a scammer after I have announced you are one, how very mature.

Indeed.  :) 

I think you might have missed the sarcasm in his post.

You're being accused of being a scammer just like you've accused others of the same.

I guess if you don't get it then you're left with hypocrisy as your remaining position.

No see if I was stopped by a police officer and refused to provide identification upon request I would be arrested, same thing with businesses that fail to provide transparency (or even worse, hide it deliberately)

By that argument it'll mean you're a scammer if you don't provide identification.

Please identify yourself so that we can confirm your accusations are legitimate and aren't the work of a competitor/troll/someone with an axe to grind against these companies.








Don't worry, you don't have to identify yourself. I wouldn't want you to have to play by your own rules.

See if I had my casino, I WOULD provide a layer of transparency IN ADDITION to fair play, unlike all the scammers (aka the people you defend so much).

One more to add:
User:buyer, established sockpuppet account, running a self-moderated thread here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224763.msg2400890#msg2400890
promoting this site:http://sellbitcoinforcash.com/MPOut.php
The site is a scam, though, fortunately, the user can't code his way out of a paper bag, see screencap:
http://s16.postimg.org/hb05qbqf9/Capture.jpg (http://postimage.org/)

You must have mistaken me for someone else.

I'm not defending them. I have no idea if their businesses are legitimate or not, much like I don't know if you're legitimate or not.

I just don't see why you shouldn't have to do as you do seeing as you're asking everyone for their trust that you're legitimate.

You're making a claim that these people are scammers.

You kinda need to stand behind that or I would trust you as much as I trust the organisations you're accusing.

What you fail to see here is that you're in the same camp.

Edited: For clarity

I have never claimed anyone is a scammer, I rate everyone by the probability of them being a scammer, if you do not agree with my ratings then you can:
A) Stop working for one of the accused.
B) Grow a brain.
C) Open your own thread.


Can you back up the claim? Seems to me that everything is legit except that the poor fellow doesn't know PHP.

Well, at least you're consistent in your hypocrisy.

I'd like to hear your opinion on BitBet:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=192122.0

One thing is for sure: he has no respect for his customers.

Ah, sorry, forgot about BitBet. If I'm not mistaken forum member jello-eating, stripper-paying MPOE-PR is one of the admins there, wouldn't be surprised if they were rude to you, daddy issues are complicated sometimes.

On a more serious note though, they are most likely scammers waiting for the opportunity.


I was talking about the list, my opinion of you/Inaba is just my opinion which is the reason I haven't listed it.

Marking sites that aren't scam as scams?

He tries to make it look official. How long have you been here, dude? You don't know anything, trying to make innocent sites look bad. Report this disgraceful thread to the mods...

The point of a community forum is that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, if you don't agree with mine you can:

FTFY. Once again, your logic is infallible (in your little world).

You're trying to make this official or something...when everyone disagrees with you, you make the thread more misleading to look like some 3-year forum member who knows everything about BTC services.

In reality, you don't know jackshit.

Keep saying that to yourself, you can go.

Don't forget to take your co-scammer-defenders with you.

I also want to add that I have never had problems with StrikeSapphire and the admin seems like a good guy. He also blogs (at least used to) about building the casino website and has really put a lot of effort into it.

It could be just as easy to say you work for the accused, competition. It would be a great way to drive traffic to those other sites.

Discrediting the competition has been used for decades.

"I'm not saying he's a thief or a liar but why would he hide his full identity and home address otherwise? I just find it very suspicious that an innocent person would do something like that."

I'd venture a guess that anyone who was serious about decrying scams would put effort into providing evidence, and that only someone who was paid by a competitor would be so lazy. If op disagrees with my opinion of him, then he is wrong because I say so.  :-*

Dude what are you so anal about exactly? Don't like it? Open your own damn thread, what's so hard to understand.



I refuse to believe you are this thick skulled, I take it as positive proof of you being associated with one of the accused.

Open my own thread? Good idea, let's play ball.

Well i think the fact that some foolish shill responded that quick after the first post is pretty good proof, might want to wait longer next time so it leaves the benefit of the doubt...

Yea, nice trust rating there.

I do not follow, am I supposed to be the fool?

no, that guy has -4 trust rating already...

Does anyone have any more information about this?

Please add BitBox.mx to this list. Heres a link to the thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=227121.0

just google it, there's a lot of info on that fraud, with mugshots and etc

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=110805.msg1206567#msg1206567


Adding.

Please review the status of Bitbox.mx.  I have personally met the founders and used the site with no problems.  Read the original accusation thread and you will find the accuser is being completely unreasonable and irrational.

What part exactly is unreasonable or irrational? The part where he heeds the advice of his lawyer and does not answer the phone when called? He doesn't need to answer anything to get his money back, if he would have paid with Paypal he could have reversed the payment because they would be labeled as scammers, no reason this should be different with a bank transfer.

They can argue that he had agreed to these terms and conditions but terms and conditions aren't above the law, they are merely a textual collection of the companies morals, e.g. if I explicitly write "OUR COMPANY HAS THE RIGHT TO SCAM YOU OUT OF YOUR MONEY" it doesn't make me right in the event that we do.

Paypal and eBay are guilty of this although to a lesser degree, fortunately not so many people get into trouble with them so most don't find out about their rotten side.

They didn't call they provided a number and asked him to call.  I will say you can't hate the guy for being uneasy. However his comment of "Should I write a letter and string this out 30-90 days or talk to my bank and get it done in 10 days. .. That to me shows like you.  He likes the drama.  Everyone seems to have a lawyer these days.  That or it sounds good.  I'm going to go with it sounding good.

Further he's totally unware of the ToS rules when it comes to money related websites.  PayPal has a refined well written ToS that states in more legal terms the same shit.  If they think you are doing something kookers they will shut you down.  PayPal makes you do everything but piss in a cup.  Usually twice over before they leave you alone for awhile.

I have addressed all of those points, I do not follow how being unaware of an inherently dishonest Terms of Service is even a valid argument, he should have received his funds back period, offering the service is of course at their discretion.

All the people who support this thread and try to get more sites on it are junior members.

What the actual fuck? I would neg-rep tmbp for accusing sites of scamming with no solid proof, but he'd probably revenge rep me lmao.

Show actual screenshot proof, with a good word summary rather than 3 fucking sentences that have no proof to back themselves up, and i'll pay you 0.01 BTC per site you find as a scam.

I'll offer it for the following sites, which i'm 99% sure are not scams. If the owners of the sites themselves would like to offer bounties too if this person can *find* that they are scammers, they're welcome to. Let's see how bad this person really is.

PrimeDice
Bit777
Satoshidice
BitBet.us (note: I do not want instances of draws or whatever, I want solid proof that it ate your money and that no-one got it)
SealsWithClubs

You do know that this would be a misuse of the trust system?

Bump for the truth

Don't have a horse in this race, but this is the first time I've seen a red trust thingy along with such a high negative count. Not taking time to see if the two aspects are related, but that's probably proof enough for most people, unless they're BFL investors/shills/sockpuppets/family/short bus passenger.

+1

And there is your proof for Theymos why negative untrusted feedback spam still affects reputation. Sorry Theymos, you lose. Add rebuttals to your broken libel machine.

There are a lot of members who have been victums of scammers that PM me about adding sites to bitcoinscammers.com  (http://bitcoinscammers.com) I'm adding bitbet but I'd like more information on the scam because it looks p2p without owner interference.

That link has my experience with BitBet.us. More will probably follow once they skin the bettors from this bet set to expiry end of July: http://bitbet.us/bet/307/bfl-will-deliver-asic-devices-before-july-1st/

Seems like a legit website, thank you for your efforts in protecting the community.

Bitbet.us is about as legit as parimutuel betting sites get. While some things the proprietor says on their blog are controversial, Mircea is probably one of the most informed actors in BTC finance.

I could see S.DICE (the security) going on the warning list though after Erik pulled the stunt earlier this month (later rescinded) where he would withhold dividends to pay back the betting pool which had mysteriously turned into a "personal loan" from him to S.Dice. That and the other lax record keeping that may mysteriously arise to bite investors would seem the S.Dice security is at high risk of operator (i.e. Erik) dysfunction. Then there is their mysterious "new improved site" that never appears and questionable payroll expenses.

Mircea is a proven liar and an elitist idiot, just read his blog, quite fascinating to feel inside of the mind of a douchebag for 5 minutes and Erik well, he's Erik, you can tell about him by the people he is associated with.

I think MPOE-PR is Mircea himself, but that's just all my opinion, no solid proof (aside from the fact that Mircea is a liar).

In addition to the controversial/offensive content he has a lot of useful gems like this piece on hedging as a miner (http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/how-to-hedge-as-a-miner/). If anything I think the offensive stuff serves as a filter to weed out readers who aren't serious enough about business to consider the useful information he provides.

I'm also rather certain MPOE-PR is a distinct human being who works for Mircea. He seems busy enough with all the time he spends on IRC, with his other ventures, and with the girls that I think being his own forum PR would require him to possess some sort of time machine. Some sort of device like the one in that confusing film Primer might work.

I agree. There might be some offensive content, but at the end of the day there is a ton of very useful articles, like the one linked above.

MPOE-PR = questionable  member as to them being upset about bitcoinscammers.com (http://bitcoinscammers.com) and in all out defense of certain proven scammers leads me to believe that you should watch him/her carefully in any transactions. 

I second this

What about just-dice.com (http://just-dice.com) ?

Looks incredibly legit. It will probably kill SatoshiDice in the market if given time.

QFT.

Regarding Bitbet.us I think the recent bet resolution regarding BFL is definitely scam worthy.

We had 2 wagering sites that had an ambiguous BFL based bet:

bitbet.us resolved the bet in favour of themselves and sent our Mr-POOPER to troll everyone that attempted to discuss it further.
betsofbitco.in canceled the bet, still not a popular decision but imho the right course of action in this situation.

Now what is hilarious is that Mr-POOPER has been busy in the betsofbitco.in thread making scam accusations for regarding their cancelation of the BFL based bet all the while ignoring the fact they did something far worse.

I fully endorse Just-Dice, provably fair and run by an extremely trustworthy character.

primedice isn't a scam i've been using it for ages.

literally ages?

Yes!  I am offended that you left Just-Dice off the list.  Everyone else gets a mention; why don't we?

Yes! Why do you leave this service off of the list! It must be really untrustworthy, I mean, everything is according to you, right?

I don't think you're contributing at all. But congrats for having a good enough reputation and a well built service that is not considered a scam - a rare position to be in. In the Bitcoin economy that is.

I might consider investing in it later.

Altcoins are a scam. :)

Don't forget the Lending section. Seems like 90% of all loan requests are being done by accounts created within the last month or two, and with little exception they will always default if they find someone dumb enough to lend to them.

This thread is a scam for confusing scams with moral prejudice.

See? You're too nice for your own good.

Does seem like TF is on the wrong here, have you donated it to charity in the end?


But then again, most of the people that loan btc in the Lending section are nerds that have been bullied through highschool and now feel that they can disrespect, condescend and hurt other (*unfortunate) members while requesting collateral which is worth at least 10 fold the amount on low risk lends, you could argue it's their right but they are still extremely annoying time wasters and most don't even have the amount to lend but it won't stop them from investigating the fuck out of you.


http://www.resist.com/JOOMJournal/KickAssTale.gif

Get out of my thread

I've identified a  bitcoin charity called "FR33AID" and established some rapport with one of their officers.
Unfortunately, due to the nature of scammers like TF, it is unlikely we'll see the coins he scammed from me put to good uses.
To answer your question, I regularly donate to charities, but it is unlikely the coins TF scammed will be returned for such purposes because TF appears to have a weakness for gambling the stolen coins.

I don't remember asking you one damned thing, Today's Clown Guy.

I will look further into your claims.


I was under the impression I was yesterdays clown guy. Don't deny the fact you've got the hots for me  ;D

You'll become yest's clown guy once you leave/stop posting and some other muppet takes over the stupid pointless and loud torch.

Don't worry that won't happen soon cuttie-pie  ;)

Anyone want to contribute a bounty to make tmbp shut the fuck up?

I pledge BTC 0.01

Someones scam profits are going down?

Bump, adding/reviewing new sites.....

Added bcpoker...

Bump for awareness.

OK, put away your sockpuppet now, who are you really?

A scam buster by night and a padawan by day

Nevermind, you are MillionBitPage. Thanks for letting me know about LiteSpeed btw, will check it out.

What does it suppose to mean?

It means he knows who you are...

I'm very disappointed in the fact that you have not added any of my businesses to the list. Come on, I want free advertising!  :'(

I can call you a douche on the topic if it helps  ;)


Yes because I have just told him

you should add terrahash as a scam

Please do that or I will complain to the BBB and call the Bitcoin police that you are treating me unfairly.

Added


Any proof/reasoning behind it?

check out the following:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.0

perhaps not a full on scam just yet, but they are sure headed that way.

What am I missing except the fact that they have premined some terrahash coins?

What?

Maybe they have so many Hash/s, that they have over 50% of the total network hashrate, that they automatically created a blockchain fork, which is called Terrahash. It's the only explanation.

Some people on this forum are dumb.

Please add a link for TF, here is the most comprehensive list of his scams:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg2702121#msg2702121

Except you have almost no proof, and some of your accusations are from SCAMMER TAGGED people who actually tried to scam TF, yet you still use their accusations as valid?

Oh come on tmbp, even you can't be this retarded.

Scammers normally know their own kind. Anyways TF is judged as a scammer at this point, so just be careful in your dealings.

I wonder how difficult it would be to orchestrate bad reputation for a very well respected and well known non-scammer?

I guess it would start with a list of 'just my opinion' scammers and a group of committed people.

Actually, it just involves a group of shared alt accounts.

This.

If TF isn't a scammer, why hasn't someone with the power to give trusted rep given him such? Oh, wait, no-one who is making these accusations has that status. Alts. Shills. Scammers. Et alii.

Although even if he WAS given a negative trusted rep, he would still have +1 trusted rep overall, lol.

EDIT: Yep, he would still have +1 trusted rep. Just tested.

feel free to add insanity dice to the list of legit sites, we are probably fair.

Strike Sapphire is scamer... He baned me cause with the free bonus $10 i win up $160 and withdraw... He asked me for deposit the money again ofering me a bonus, etc, when i decided to not deposit the money again, he ban me... Lol, his a scamer.

I will add you next to other probably fair dice sites such as primedice.

Keep this going!!

Will review Strike Sapphire as well.


Do you have a thread for this scam accusation?

Thanks man, if you need any help feel free to e-mail me at blobsrs@gmail.com

You just supported this thread?

Right, welcome to mine and around, I don't know, 99% of the people who frequent this forum section's shitlist.

I think he was on more than half of those shitlists from before anyway.

I enjoy the list! I want it to grow because it pisses scammers off!    ;D

It's scams all the way down.

I lol'd, this "evidence" is due to you being mad about dooglus, well, TALKING on this thread. Lmao

What is "proof of statistical data"?  What can I provide to prove the data?

The site has been up 4 weeks and handled bets of over half a million BTC.  Don't you think if it was a scam someone would have actually made a complaint about it by now?  But no, we've handled over 32 million bets and had no complaints.

"SatoshiDice is the most popular Bitcoin betting game in the universe" and they've processed less than 6 million bets in well over a year.  In our first month we've handled more bets than the most popular Bitcoin betting game in the universe.

Still think it's a scam?

Thing is that you have absolute no data to prove your claim, nada, SatoshiDice on the other hand, has data to prove every single bet.

The fuck? There is a log of every single bet...

What would you consider proof?  Maybe I should ask for videos of every mouse-click, like insanity dice?

SatoshiDice can't prove that they have real players either.  It could be Erik playing against himself.

Added your entry of TFto the list:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=151880.msg2702121#msg2702121

Where is the list of all the bets together with txids that are on the blockchain on Just-dice.com?

Just-Dice doesn't fill the blockchain with bets.  If you had done any research at all you would know that.

It's funny because this thread is garbage and every poster here has a Trust rating of -10 or less.

It is, because most of them are either the scammers that I have reported or their shills, they also get pissed off and neg rep me too.


Dooglus, stop trying to twist your way out of this, where is the list of the txids of the desposits of all the accounts on your website?

My god, this troll still has this list going on? I thought it'd go away after 4 pages.

I'm not trying to twist my way out of anything.

The list of deposit txids is in the site's database.  It's private.  I'm under no obligation to provide you with details of Just-Dice customer deposits and withdrawals.  You could check the blockchain and trace comings and goings to the published cold wallet address if you like - due to the nature of bitcoin such analysis is possible.  Each time a customer deposits, a new deposit address is created for them.  This is to maintain their privacy.  I'm not going to compromise customer privacy by telling you which deposits were for which customer.  What business is that of yours?

How is this thread still alive??? It must be very entertaining.

Then you can't really claim to be any popular than SatoshiDice, I do understand that SatoshiDice could just be laundering coins but at least they have some minimal proof, unlike you. The invest option could potentially be used as a pyramid scheme and all the bet counters extremely over-inflated.

 :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Care to explain what's funny exactly?

my 2c, Id argue just-dice is one of the most trustworthy btc casinos run by one of the most helpful and honest bitcointalk members - period.

I gave it a good going over when it was on testnet and have observed friends playing with real BTC, Im 100% satisfied with its operations.

Yes, Dooglus could cheat investors, the same is true for SDICE (I actually have suspicions they did this heavily prior to IPO).  

Are we arguing that the casino is a scam ?
if so I disagree.

Is it that the operator could (with some effort) take advantage of investors by abusing their knowledge of the secret.
Then yes, of course Dooglus "Could" do this, if you have concerns about this then you should not invest. I made the same argument against investing in SDICE.

However this has no bearing on a players experience which is my primary concern.

Thanks for this! With the nature of bitcoins there's gotta be a community-wide watch for scams.

YUP! Couldn't agree more.

bump  ;)

There is. This isn't it. This is just some retarded scammer trying to milk what he perceives as the blackmail market.

Stupid

link?

http://bitcoin-otc.com :P

Make sure you add MT.Gox to this list, I have a few BTC locked away in a Gox account from like 2 years ago because I wouldn't verify my account.

If he is referring to bitcoinscammers.com (http://bitcoinscammers.com) he's an idiot! If someone posts something that's negative towards a company it stays on there. The site is ran for free and community driven, companies can rebuttal and so can consumers. Not once has anything ever been removed and not once has any money been made off the site.   I encourage him to make another so I don't need to run it or listen to his scammer like mentality about a site that's true purposes is to exposes companies and USERS for what they are in hopes of building awareness and people saving money. I do not profit one cent at all. Funny thing is its mostly scammers who don't like the site.. GO FIGURE.

Updated 777coin.

Don't you find it somewhat ironic that you have been given a negative trust rating by the others in this forum while you accuse others of scamming?

Why do you list satoshidice as a potential scam based on hypothetical technicalities on the sites operation while at the same time there was baldly obvious insider trading on their stock prior to the sale of the site?

It's not really ironic as much as it is proof that I am right since a person who isn't affiliated with the casinos (e.g. a shill) wouldn't bother to give negative rep to someone he deems a liar. Satoshidice is a long time known scam I will move it under "Scam" I simply haven't bothered to update it.

Well enough, but again, I think that the possibility of fraud within the sites operations doesn't suddenly make it so (ie brute forcing a solution with better house edge prior to the payout). Until you have solid evidence for it, that is nothing but spreading FUD. That's probably one of the reason you've got a mis-trust rating from somebody.
However there is pretty solid evidence for insider trading with the recent sale of the site, all conveniently layed out here (http://buttcoin.org/satoshi-dice-sold-for-12000000-forces-all-shareholders-to-give-up-their-shares)

Furthermore regarding people like MP and TF they are sure douches but that doesn't make them scammers.

First of all quoting Buttcoin is a bit silly since the guys have made MANY predictions and none of them ever happened, just renders them as guys-with-shitty-attitudes in my eyes, sure need to have strong motivations to upkeep all that negativity for so long without anything negative happening (*which is exclusive to the Bitcoin economy and not because of the nature of human beings acting like retarded turds).

As for your other point, please see the following screencap (as in original post).
http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/IdonthavePROOF-640x301.png

You don't need to wait until a rapist is balls deep in someones asshole until you convict him, if a Bitcoin business acts in a suspicious manner then I am an expert on raising that suspicion and pointing out their skeletons publicly, I personally stop using the services of every service which is remotely suspicious.

I respect Killhamster more than 99% of the people on this board and what he provided is magnitudes more solid than what you came up with.

Just because the site has a humorous touch doesn't change the facts it presents. You on the other hand are just pointing fingers.

Hope that he can buy a decent wig for that 13mil

Are you serious?  ???

Yes I am serious, I have said that Satoshidice is a scam since day 1 yet people insisted they were legit and look now.

Was there any terms in the contract for a buyout?

So you'll 'convict' someone on the suspicion that they'll do something bad?

Just like in Minority Report.

You got a lot of nerve Jason, you're a scammer yourself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265739

bitcointalk.org is a community for reporting scams!! USE IT!  I use this forum to fight scammers at bitcoinscammers.com (http://bitcoinscammers.com)  Every opinion matters as the community can decide for itself on this medium which are scams and which are legit. VIVA BITCOIN

It will be a terrible day if it ever came to pass that we began to punish people for crimes we think they'll do.

I concerns me that tmbp feels that he's an 'expert at raising suspicion against people' who may or may not be guilty just because he suspects it.

The powers of judge, jury and executioner are separate for a good reason.


Whilst some (maybe even all) of the people you list are scammers, with no proof other than "I just sense that they're doing something wrong", I doubt many can rely on that list to be 100% accurate.

um we already do that buddy. look up the story of anwar al-awlaki.

Seems there was a lot of evidence against him though.

Good job with list updates.  Sometimes you can see sites pop up that are just a clone of another site and can be scams as well.

+1, props for your work man

AGREED! GOOD JOB!

Bump

1. "tmpb" makes a thread accusing every major site of being a scam
2. tmpb is himself, a scammer
3. Hundreds of idiots and trolls congratulate him for making this trash thread

This reply sums up my feelings:

It says:

Please add "Mastercoin" to the list.

-This project violates all applicable US laws
-The creator claims to be based in the US but has not provided proof of his identity yet
-He's asking for money now even though all he's got is a hastily thrown together whitepaper
-The money is sent directly into his BTC account in exchange for nothing but a promise of "mastercoins" when he gets around to making them

See: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=265666.0

0/10 he violates every single law in the US. ALL OF THEM!

applicable is the operative word

Namely:
He's selling an investment without complying with SEC regulations (this wouldn't be illegal except for the fact he's claiming to be a US citizen)
He's selling a virtual currency directly to buyers without any kind of know your customer regulation(Look at the liberty reserve shutdown if you don't think this is illegal. That guy was even from Spain not the US but they still got him.)

Bitcoin doesn't have a centralized operator and so nobody can be charged with running it. There's no company that maintains the source code since its open source. If you had to buy Bitcoin directly from Satoshi Nakamoto, and he lived in lets say Kansas, the whole thing would be shut down and declared illegal right away. That's basically what "Mastercoin" is.

He hasn't even tried to comply with the law and ignores this criticism.

-This project violates all applicable US laws
Very stupid statement. If you are not breaking a law then it is obviously not applicable.

Then don't buy any. Or, sue him for damages, if you would rather work with the US court system than this forum.

Applicable laws are those that can be applied to his project. He's not complying with them. How is that so hard to understand?

If he didn't want US laws to apply to him he shouldn't have claimed to live inside the US. He could have released his "protocol" in an open source way without crowning himself the only one allowed to make "mastercoins" and claiming direct control of his "exodus address". Yet he didn't. The reason he has to follow US law is because he insisted upon making his project closed source and taking all the money directly while claiming to live in the US.


Mastercoin should be added to the scam list because it's impossible for it to work yet he's asking for money now. His economics are fatally flawed (half baked is probably a better description). He violates US laws that are definitely applicable to his project if he is who he says he is yet ignores this criticism. Therefore it will never work and any money you send him is utterly lost.

If he is so "stupid" to live in the US, then why are you even bothering to post in this thread? You can him directly to court on counts of fraud, money laundry, ponzi, and insider trading!

I have no standing to sue him since I would never ever send him money. In the US court system you can't sue anyone unless you have been personally effected. I'm posting in the scam accusations thread because I believe it's a scam and should be added to this list.

He's only "stupid" if he is really the guy who he says he is living in the US. It would actually be far "smarter" for a scmamer to use someone else's LinkedIn and say its his (this is what I believe he's done unless he's really just lost his mind).

The real question is why are you so upset about this random person's scheme being proposed for addition to this list?

Because you are claiming that he make a big mistake running fraud while in the US, but obviously that is no problem because he is not facing any legal consequences.

Please explain how he's immune to SEC regulation and Know your Customer regulation (money laundering regulations) while directly selling a virtual currency as an investment.

Dacoinminister's "Mastercoin" proposal is taking Bitcoin in exchange for what he calls an "investment" without any regulatory compliance. Here's precedent for that being illegal: http://www.pcworld.com/article/2045083/sec-charges-texas-man-with-running-bitcoin-ponzi-scheme.html

Dacoinminister's "Mastercoin" proposal is taking Bitcoins in exchange for a centrally issued virtual currency. Here's precedent for that being illegal: http://www.paritynews.com/2013/05/26/libertyreservecom-shuttered-founder-arrested-in-spain/

Please refute these points rather than assuming it's legal without any reasoning.

So you are saying that he is facing legal consequences. Then why bother even posting in this thread? Surely he will have to go to jail anyway.

Can't tell which one of the accused are you shilling under.

I have reviewed J.R. Willett from Seattle (aka dacoinminster) and read the Mastercoin specifications, honestly first it sounded like a good idea but reading further into the specifications it sounds completely dumb, subjective interpretations aside, I think I will list it under low chance to be a scam, the concept of the exodus address is rather sketchy.

There's nothing subjective about this interpretation. I'm relying entirely on facts. The economics show such a lack of thought that I find it hard to believe he's ever taken even a high school economics class. He asks for money now for a coin that doesn't even exist yet and cannot possibly become valuable due to its reliance upon centralization. Even if it hypothetically had value he would then be in violation of multiple money laundering and investment laws since he's backing the whole thing with his "real identity" based in the US. He controls the "exodus address". I advise you to look a bit harder at this one and move it to "high" chance of being a scam.

And look now, they've been the first successful public investment in the history of Bitcoin? Well done on calling that one.

For my records, how long have you been claiming the Sun revolves 'round the Earth?

Back to the kitchen woman

You forget something:
http://ih1.redbubble.net/image.9773678.7832/sticker,375x360.u1.png

Good job distracting from the facts!
Since there is no way you guys weren't in on this, wanna tell us how big your personal cut out of the scamdeal was?

to refresh your memory
http://buttcoin.org/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/Screen-Shot-2013-07-17-at-9.20.54-PM-640x337.png

I really don't see hundreds congratulating him.  Mostly just him and people like you arguing in this thread, maybe I have to reread it though.  It does seem like a popular thread.  Maybe he can add some of the recent scam postings and note that they're under review type of thing until he gets to take a closer look at them.  It also might help if it's noted which are proven scams for sure or not.

Sheesh  :-\

Any credibility you had before this has just left the station.

I'm out!

Lol, I'm just kidding, I am being chauvinistic not because she's a woman but because she's a bitch, she also follows me around posting in the same threads defending her bosses.

bump

How does the fact that some Just-Dice players have decided to use bots to place bets on their behalf have anything to do with the site being a scam?

It doesn't even fit your own definition.  There's nothing fraudulent or deceptive going on.  Lots of players openly discuss their bot strategies, and share their code between themselves.  Just-Dice doesn't endorse the use of bets, but doesn't have a problem with it either.  If your bot breaks and causes you to bet differently than you thought it would, you're responsible.

Again, I'm not sure what evidence you feel would help.  If you want a list of deposits and withdrawals for each user, that's not going to happen.  The same as it doesn't at any other gambling site.

Discussing scams with this idiot is not much different from discussing investments with the Aussie BBGG idiot. Good for entertainment value. Like, you know, playing chess with pigeons.

FTFY

You seem to very concerned with trying to discredit me, been following me around posting in the same threads for some time, wonder why  ;)

We got reports on bots being used as well but I'm not sure if that degrades from any chances. I donno but I have found with sites that some people call it a scam if they lose if if it was legitimate loss.  I always feel the need to dig deeper and ask more questions.

I'm not "very concerned" with "discrediting" you at all. I get it, that's what the script says, pretend like people laughing at you are trying to "discredit you". Apparently your script doesn't work.

There are two classes of people on Just-Dice:

1) investors

2) players

1) investors don't care whether the players use a bot to play or not, so long as you play.  they realise that the house wins 1% of every bet on average.  if you want to use a bot to play faster and lose your coins faster, I'm sure that's OK with the investors

2) players can check that the site is provably fair.  players can choose whether to run a bot or not.  players don't affect each other's play at all, other than by making small changes to the max profit.  if player 1 uses a bot, player 2 shouldn't care.

Then there's the 3rd class of visitor: tmbp.  He seems to have his own agenda and will use any excuse to throw scam accusations around, even when they make absolutely no sense.  Have fun with that.

How are you at making sandwiches MPOE-PR? I bet better than thinking logically.


Then you are REALLY scamming the investors but scamming the players just a little... There are no "real" bets, only your own bot placing "fake" bets on the website.

Funny thing about blanket statements: if they're wrong, they make you look silly.

I have never run a bot on Just-Dice.  The bots are run by real players.

How would it be to my advantage to run a bot against the site?  If as you say there are no real bets, only bets made by my bot, I've lost over 4600 BTC to the site.  90% of that goes to the investors, and 10% of it goes back to me as commission.  I don't see why I would do that.  Are you supposing I've paid thousands of BTC to investors just to make it look like the site is busy?  Or are the investors all fake too?

tmbp doesn't know about the invest bots then :D :D

Neither do I.

I saw a thread offering a bounty to create one, but didn't ever see it happen.

Are there invest/divest bots running now?

As long as the actual payouts are provably fair, why on earth does it matter if people are placing bets manually or using bots?
A bot placing bet A doesn't affect the payout of a user placing bet B.

I think he was being sarcastic.

TWIST: tmbp is a bot.

:0

That would explain the April 2013 join date, and the post history consisting of nothing but eleven pages of scam accusations.

 ;)

Jesus christ MPOE-PR you've got guys weeping over your feet in other threads and you can't get over me.

Yes, the guy who made the bounty for an invest bot got a really basic one made that same day. I think its only feature is that is divests when the investment changes by over 10%.

Evidence of what? That there are not bots betting? Why does that even matter? How can you call dooglus a scammer if you have not a shred of evidence that he has scammed anyone? Because JD does not spam the blockchain it's automatically a likely scam?

Seriously, your logic skills are sorely lacking.

Ohhhh a scamhunter... how exciting^^

well you might wanna take a look at bitcoinsexchange.com, the scripts over there exchange seem to forget to pay...

I btw don't like you language Mr. Scamhunter sounds like your living in a Pub... but well... up to you anyway how you talk, but it doesn't give you much credibility somehow... atleast not with people living outside of pubs...


However running an anti scam threat holds some benefit for the community and that shall be appreciated... thanks a lot for your efforts.

So please be so kind and check the site bitcoinsexchange.com and verify if it is a real scam or not.


Good Luck to all!
BeBlessed with all good blessings!

How are my mannerisms of speech similar to a person who has been living in a pub?

I saw a few "f*** you too" while going through this topic... don't know the background of those though... but the impression wasn't toooooo professional... guess it's a matter of taste and certainly had a few situations myself biting my tongue for good...

Quite eager to find out if I'm mistake with the impression I got or not ;)

Well Good  Luck!


EDIT: had another very brief look through, can't be so bad if I can't find it again in a few minutes... withdrawing my claim of bad language therefore until I stumble over it again and apologize for my unproven claims :D

Good Luck!

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=67.0 <- should be on any lsit of ongoing scams

Hi,

I'm pretty much interrested in satoshimines, and have some thoughts:

- The addition of a "random" string at the end of the mine positions seems necessary, otherwise you'd just need to hash the few millions possible result combination (that's not that much), considering there's no timing in the game, you'd be able to search for the corresponding hash in a rainbow table, and use it to win.

Having played quite a lot this game, I also have the feeling it might be rigged, but I don't see how. The only thing I can think of, if that it bases the position of the next mines on your previous moves, rather than a true random game. But that would mean the game is still "fair" in a certain way.

A shame the creator/maintainer of the website never bothered answering the accusation made here :-)

Any other thoughts?

Just show me only one sha256 or one sha1 collision...



true



I'm sure they do to get better odds for themself. I read somewhere in this forum about a guessing javascript that exists on satoshimines but the real code for the guess will for sure be on the server side. But looking at how one played in the past isn't scaming for me. Not even cheating. It's like Poker bots, or even trading bots, if you know how they work you can get everything out of them.

Satoshimines isn't a scam for me but please exactly calculate the odds before you play. If you do play with real BTC afterward you didn't calculate them correctly.

I'm pretty sure nmc-wallet.com is a scam, I've posted a thread here as a warning and hoping for some feedback: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=497899.0

Very funny to go through this list so long after it has been posted and seeing all those websites that are no longer up because they were scams.

Yep, nice to nmc-wallet.com is no longer around.

Can Ltc casino be added as scam casino please?


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=3408346

The OP hast lost status-quo and the last post on this topic before you posted was almost 8 years ago, This is called Necro posting and is generally frowned upon.
Maybe someone will take the time to recreate this and maintain it or there is probably another one around. I personally think a collective definitive list should be pinned but I can see why it wouldn't be. 
It is up to you the user to provide due diligence on research when utilizing services like these.

Can also Speedsatoshi.com be added please to the blacklisted scam sites?

Once upon a time, you could list all the ongoing crypto-related scams in a single post or two. Unfortunately, those days are long gone. Today, you could take ten pages to write about all the scams out there and you would not even scratch the surface. Of course, I am not saying we should stop warning people about scams. All I am saying is that the number of scam artists has increased to a point we are hardly able to handle.

Note how much market capitalization has increased since 2013. It's been almost 10 years of development, which is the vast majority of cryptocurrency life. Where there is money, there are scams. Their number increases in proportion to the amount of money in a given market.

I think the moderator should close this thread.