bustadice – Next Generation Dice

[JollyGood]

How are investors finding the new format?

Are most happy with the commission structure? What sort of feedback are you getting about the change from people that invested?

Of course we are not happy, expected returns dropped 1/3. At least that extra edge the casino is getting could be partially used for running some promotion to drive traffic.

Losing 33% or so of previously expected returns is a hard hit to take especially when there are not too many options out there where bankroll funds could be transferred to.

Maybe if enough investors raise the issue with devans he might consider lowering the casino edge or at least as you stated maybe consider driving a promotion with those extra profits.

[GamblingSiteFinder]

It's mainly the fact that bustabit is the preferred choice of game for megawhales like whatevvs, FREE-JBAY, KLITZ, etc. Probably due to them being around since 2014 and always processing large withdrawals instantly. There is no crash game in the world that has a higher trust level than bustabit. Just a few days ago, the whale PredictableLegacy lost 220 BTC within a few games. I mean, it could have gone the other way too... I guess luck/variance is also a pretty major factor. But yeah, everything seems to be going very well for the two sites, and I hope it continues.

I found the man who jinxed the Bustabit bankroll investors  

[BayAreaCoins]

So the only thing I can see that I think is strictly beneficial is trying to make sure that casinos are consumer-friendly casinos as possible (i.e. fair, transparent, no manipulative/lockin bullshit like roll-over reqs etc.)

I think you are misleading investors that investing is Provably Fair is a bit manipulative.

These games are only Provably Fair proveable fair to players, these investing sites are currently not Provably Fair to investors. (besides maybe PF to you and devan, but it is definitely not PF to me if I invest.)

Investing is not Provably Fair by math.  Period.  Please consider changing this.

Because investing isn't provably fair

[RHavar]

I think you are misleading investors that investing is Provably Fair is a bit manipulative.

These games are only Provably Fair proveable fair to players, these investing sites are currently not Provably Fair to investors. (besides maybe PF to you and devan, but it is definitely not PF to me if I invest.)

Investing is not Provably Fair by math.  Period.  Please consider changing this.

The full dot-point in question is:

Neither bustadice nor its auditor can undetectably cheat by predicting future rolls. Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investing becomes provably fair.

which states the caveat pretty explicitly. Although I actually agree with you in that provably-fair is the wrong term for it. I'd probably write the copy as "Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investors are given additional protections against cheating" or something of that sort

[BayAreaCoins]

Although I actually agree with you in that provably-fair is the wrong term for it. I'd probably write the copy as "Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investors are given additional protections against cheating" or something of that sort

I respectfully agree with that as well.  That would be an accurate statement.

Let me know when you fix that and I will remove the neautral feedback.

[BayAreaCoins]

Although I actually agree with you in that provably-fair is the wrong term for it. I'd probably write the copy as "Assuming you trust the two not to collude, investors are given additional protections against cheating" or something of that sort

I respectfully agree with that as well.  That would be an accurate statement.

Let me know when you fix that and I will remove the neautral feedback.

I'm sorry, but this is beyond stupid. I actually agree with you about the language on the site needing to be changed. But the fact that you know it's not even my site (i'm just acting as auditor) and in fact, it's never been my site (Daniel built it from the start) makes this extra stupid. So I'll call your bluff and raise you negative.

(For anyone that's wondering, RHavar is throwing a fit because of this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2897545.msg52814057#msg52814057.)

But the fact that you know it's not even my site (i'm just acting as auditor)

That's strange because you sound like an owner here:

Ryan and I are proud to announce bustadice, a new take on classic dice.

You are being disingenuous.

Stop telling me what I know and what I am.  I don't know that it isn't your site.  You sure seem pretty involved (for no apparent reason.. perhaps the goodness of your heart or the love for the community *throws up*  ).  We just discussed this in private message two weeks ago:

I'm kind of a bit curious about what you meant by suspicious timing of MoneyPot being sold hours after the dice.ninja scam. Surely with the benefit of hindsight, you can see it was just a total coincidence? Or are you implying that I am might be DMF?

I don't believe in coincidences.

What I do think I know (feel free to correct me) is that you currently: Decide what datacenter to host stuff at, help maintain & secure funds, contribute math that determines what players rolls are, act as an "auditor", you're a chat moderator and you bankroll the site.  You also make statements that BustaDice website is proveably-fair to normal investors (which is totally bogus).  It sounds an awful lot like your website, but you enjoy having that "it wasn't me" excuse.

3) Your site is not provably fair, you're asking us to trust you and/or the retarded company that issued a meaningless certificate.  

But... isn't that provably fair if you do trust them!? (sarcasm)

Please send the Bitcoin you now owe me.  My BTC address is: bc1qwupmf3gc6ql8thl3eqmkce6uuur4prj4schw55

Thanks.

[justdimin]

Interestingly there is a point to be made but with much less ego of course.

Yes, it is of course not provably fair if there is a chance of it, which means the provably fair wording should definitely be changed, but that is devans topic not RHavars, RHavar is basically just a consultant of sorts and looking at how the people have been profiting from the gambling I doubt they are working together to scam people, yet that doesn't change the fact that investing requires trust to two people instead of being super totally decentralized way, I trust you guys with all my money that is no problem to me at all but some others may not so the wording should definitely be changed to something that represents the current situation better if you ask me. Not what RHavar said that looks a bit unprofessional, something that is more like "we do business in wall street mate" level of professionalism .

[BayAreaCoins]

Ryan has removed his negative feedback against me (lol fagggggggg).

Ryan has also opened an addition thread for this:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194451.msg52819518#msg52819518

I have pledged to donate 100% of the 1.1 BTC Ryan said he would give me if I could "remotely" prove that he stated investing was provably-fair.

[BayAreaCoins]

Dooglus ruled that I did not "remotely" provide evidence that Daniel said "both sites" where provably-fair to investors.

I have posted that I concede as agreed.  Daniel does not owe me 1.1 BTC or 10 BTC. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5194451.msg52822895#msg52822895

However, you or whoever still need to fix BustaDice so it isn't claiming to be PF to investors.  I will remove my neutral feedback that relates to that after it's been corrected as I've always stated.

gg

Edit #1:  Just to be clear.  The feedback I will remove when BustaDice is no longer making false claims for investors is:

"Claims their sites are provably fair for investors. Investing is absolutely not provably fair for investors by math like it is for players."

This neutral feedback was left on Ryan's and Devin's accounts.  I will remove both after the claim is removed.

[devans]

Some good points were brought up in this and bustabit's thread, so I will change the wording in the next patch come Sunday.

[snooched]

Edited. Sent .14 BTC to account and got deleted after.  Likely hacked and don't know what to do. 

[mitchr4]

Fraud site.  I sent .14 from primedice to my account on bustadice.  Never got credited.  Then my account got deleted.  Daniel has not helped solve the problem. FRAUD

Is there proof of transaction if you send it from Primedice to Bustadice?
Users of this site also run Bustabit and Bustadice sites which I think will not commit fraud because of their popularity.

[Timetwister]

Fraud site.  I sent .14 from primedice to my account on bustadice.  Never got credited.  Then my account got deleted.  Daniel has not helped solve the problem. FRAUD

Is there proof of transaction if you send it from Primedice to Bustadice?
Users of this site also run Bustabit and Bustadice sites which I think will not commit fraud because of their popularity.

Either he made a mistake or he is paid by a competitor to post lies here.

[snooched]

Transaction Hash: ee4eda28118baa194b43ed1a37dd1d59312119fa0e3760ccf87f2ee5c6fddfa9

I am not making this up nor am I being paid by anyone to post lies here.  The fact is that I sent .14 BTC from my primedice account to my bustadice account.  I also added 2FA to my bustadice account and then shortly thereafter, I was logged out and my account was deleted.

I have kindly asked Daniel Evans to look into this issue, to which I've received a response that it must be my fault?  I have kindly asked Mr. Evans to please provide any and all information that you can about this, including the login times/IP addresses for my account - silence.

So please, I am kindly requesting once more that Mr. Evans provide any and all information with regards to my account that was deleted (not on my own accord) to which I have a balance of .14 BTC.

At the very least, you can be a responsible owner of your gaming site and assist with finding out what happened rather than reply by saying it was my fault or that I'm paid to do write negative things about your site.



On that note, accepting offers to write negative posts about bustadice for .14 BTC.  10 posts for .14 BTC thanks all.

*****EDIT******* The offer above is sarcasm only and not an actual offer to write negative posts about bustadice.  Thanks all.

[suchmoon]

Either he made a mistake or he is paid by a competitor to post lies here.

Or just a troll. This user was asking for a 500 BTC loan for "litigation": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206716.0

And then for a 0.05 BTC loan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207241

On that note, accepting offers to write negative posts about bustadice for .14 BTC.  10 posts for .14 BTC thanks all.

Thanks for confirming.

[snooched]

Either he made a mistake or he is paid by a competitor to post lies here.

Or just a troll. This user was asking for a 500 BTC loan for "litigation": https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5206716.0

And then for a 0.05 BTC loan: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5207241

On that note, accepting offers to write negative posts about bustadice for .14 BTC.  10 posts for .14 BTC thanks all.

Thanks for confirming.

https://imgur.com/VrBuxkFhttps://imgur.com/VrBuxkF

Sigh.. not a troll.  5-500BTC loan for litigation case financing.  The 0.05 loan was legitimate and now no longer needed as my funds were cleared by Coinbase (ACH transfer).

See photo for my primedice account showing the transaction hash

[suchmoon]

Sigh.. not a troll.  5-500BTC loan for litigation case financing.  The 0.05 loan was legitimate and now no longer needed as my funds were cleared by Coinbase (ACH transfer).

See photo for my primedice account showing the transaction hash

Yes, a troll, and a scammer probably... litigation financing my ass.

A bit about me - I live in the USA and am an attorney that is actively practicing and still fairly new to the profession - graduated in 2016. 

Much attorney wow legal:

https://bustadice.com/tos

Users that are citizens or residents of any of the following jurisdictions are prohibited from using the service:
[...]
United States of America

[snooched]

Sigh.. not a troll.  5-500BTC loan for litigation case financing.  The 0.05 loan was legitimate and now no longer needed as my funds were cleared by Coinbase (ACH transfer).

See photo for my primedice account showing the transaction hash

Yes, a troll, and a scammer probably... litigation financing my ass.

A bit about me - I live in the USA and am an attorney that is actively practicing and still fairly new to the profession - graduated in 2016. 

Much attorney wow legal:

https://bustadice.com/tos

Users that are citizens or residents of any of the following jurisdictions are prohibited from using the service:
[...]
United States of America

Lol I give up.

[snooched]

Update: Daniel did reply and kindly provided the bitcoin address to which my funds (and the only withdrawal transaction) were withdrawn to.  I'm left with the BTC address

bc1qd26c4eev3vhz3jgyd6wu38hnaglwa7l6z0r6fs

Any ideas?  Crypto-newb here.  Thanks

[RHavar]

Either he made a mistake or he is paid by a competitor to post lies here.

I think the "paid by a competitor to post lies" is something that seems logical, but in my estimation pretty much never happens. I'm not exactly sure why, but if I had to guess, the competitors that would ostensibly benefit the most are in that position because they've worked hard on building a trustworthy brand and focused on making a good product.  Plus a bunch of FUD around bitcoin-casinos could likely indirectly harm them more than what they'd directly gain.

Update: Daniel did reply and kindly provided the bitcoin address to which my funds (and the only withdrawal transaction) were withdrawn to.  I'm left with the BTC address

bc1qd26c4eev3vhz3jgyd6wu38hnaglwa7l6z0r6fs

Any ideas?  Crypto-newb here.  Thanks

Ok. So that's interesting. So it means the withdrawal happened:

2019-12-10 14:36

And the deposit you linked to earlier would've confirmed at:

2019-12-10 14:34

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So basically within 2 minutes of the funds hitting your account, they were withdrawn. You also mention your account was deleted, which requires a passwords. So my money is strongly on someone else must have had your account/password?

You could also probably consider contacting chainalysis.com, and asking them to flag that address. They work with a lot of exchanges, and it's possible it'll help lead to the recover of your funds if they are deposited to an exchange or something like that


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Edit: Did Daniel actually give your that address? Or did you just find it on a block-explorer? Because it doesn't really add-up to me. You deposited 0.14 BTC, but then 0.13856977 BTC was immediately sent to that address.  So there's about ~$10 missing. If it was a compromised account, why wouldn't they take the entire balance of the account? It would be odd for them to gamble on a compromised account (as the real owner would likely notice) and it would be odd to not hit "max" on the withdrawal form.