bustadice – Next Generation Dice

[GamblingSiteFinder]

1. Can you replicate it on a fresh new account. And announce the account before you start.  That way we know that you don't play on N accounts, and then simply announce the best result.

Exactly this. The leaderboard on Bustadice only shows the top 25 and the bottom 25 users all-time, which is nothing for a site with 69,523 registered users. We have zero verifiable way of knowing how many additional accounts you have that are not being reported.

I don't mean to be rude, but the only way anyone with half a brain is going to take your service seriously is if you make a new, PUBLIC Bustadice username prior to racking up a profit/loss and let us see the system work.

Since you claim "drtest" is your account, I will be watching that account to see your system in action.

Good luck, I'd love to watch you take some more BTC from Daniel! :p

https://bustadice.com/player/drtest

[newwest]

Yeah, lot of people still prefer bustabit as as i've seen there are much people come online on there instead bustadice

Unfortunately, that's true, but it was different about a year ago. There was always a lot going on on bustadice and I logged in from time to time just to follow the chat.

As you can see on dicesites.com, the daily bets are also decreasing continuously:

In my opinion, this is due to the fact that especially in the last 1.5 years, a lot of new crypto casinos have been launched, some with a lot of different games. This of course attracts active players and at the same time leads to older platforms like Bustadice losing players again.

The chart speaks a lot about how the bets have being taken a hit tremendously else before a year ago it was one of the best where player were liking and using for gambling it. Other sites may have come up but one which is trustworthy and old will take time to be replaced and bustadice never had any such issues before too with ew sites launching. Something I feel might not have worked correctly this time and kept on losing players to other site.

[D217]

Well, I created a poll related to DiceRecover.
Take the survey if anybody is interested.

https://www.poll-maker.com/poll3817731x70A34c40-119

[sunsilk]

Chceked both bustadice.com and bustabit.com. Good thing about both these sites is that anyone can start gambling straight away. I have lost so much in dice gambling that no attraction can take me back to dice gambling.

I still prefer bustabit because of the live community they have there well it's a bit lonely placing bets on bustadice, since there's a live chat and its entertaining to see that we all waiting for the outcome of every rounds.

Whatever you prefer between them, there's no competition between the two as they have their own main game that's being played. I don't know why you're saying that placing bets on bustadice is lonely.

Is there any other games that was related to bustabit and bustadice?

They are focused with their respective games.

[Theones]

Chceked both bustadice.com and bustabit.com. Good thing about both these sites is that anyone can start gambling straight away. I have lost so much in dice gambling that no attraction can take me back to dice gambling.

I still prefer bustabit because of the live community they have there well it's a bit lonely placing bets on bustadice, since there's a live chat and its entertaining to see that we all waiting for the outcome of every rounds. Is there any other games that was related to bustabit and bustadice?

Thats right. One feels like being in a community while playing at bustabit and same feeling is not while you are at butadice. As already stated on this thread, bustadice is about dice rolling while bustabit is about playing a crash game and thats only you can do at these two sites.

[dezoel]

The two questions I always have for people selling strategies / bots / etc. is

1. Can you replicate it on a fresh new account. And announce the account before you start.  That way we know that you don't play on N accounts, and then simply announce the best result.

2. Why don't you just instead use your own strategy? Why does it make more sense going through all the effort of selling it, when you could simply use it

I know that you know the answers to these questions, I know you are asking it just to tell them how they are basically selling a scam, and I know you know it is impossible to "guarantee" profit.

However I just want to answer via your questions to anyone who may have doubts. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY can guarantee income, they can't just start a new account, let it be known, and then do it live action so that we can see it, even if they get lucky and make it once, they can't do it few times back to back, a guarantee means they can start 10 accounts, let us know before hand, and do it on 10 different accounts and make a profit in all of those 10, even 50%+ of it being profitable would be good to prove me wrong, but they can't, it is impossible, mathematically impossible. And yes they are not doing it to profit themselves BECAUSE it is not a way to profit, selling it guarantees profit, using it does not.

[GamblingSiteFinder]

You simply cannot guarantee a profit from playing dice at Bustadice. In the long term it is statistically impossible to overcome the house edge and use a casino game like this as a revenue stream. If it were possible, why would Daniel even keep this site going? Bustadice is not a charity.

If you really want people to trust your system, you'll have to prove that you are profitable after an arbitrary # of dice rolls, like ~10,000,000 rolls. Setting a profit goal is not a reliable metric at all.

[Lakai01]

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If you really want people to trust your system, you'll have to prove that you are profitable after an arbitrary # of dice rolls, like ~10,000,000 rolls. Setting a profit goal is not a reliable metric at all.

Your first sentence is right: Over a longer period of time, no one can defeat the House Edge, not even statistically. If that were the case, Bustadice would be closed in no time, because as you say, Daniel also wants to earn money with the website and has nothing to give away.

There is absolutely no system that has to prove itself here, that must be clear. Should there be such a system, gambling itself would be broken, the inventor would have earned billions of dollars and would probably never sell such a system.

[Theones]

-snip-
If you really want people to trust your system, you'll have to prove that you are profitable after an arbitrary # of dice rolls, like ~10,000,000 rolls. Setting a profit goal is not a reliable metric at all.

Your first sentence is right: Over a longer period of time, no one can defeat the House Edge, not even statistically. If that were the case, Bustadice would be closed in no time, because as you say, Daniel also wants to earn money with the website and has nothing to give away.

There is absolutely no system that has to prove itself here, that must be clear. Should there be such a system, gambling itself would be broken, the inventor would have earned billions of dollars and would probably never sell such a system.

In every gambling system there is a catch that cuts out the player profit and hands it over to the administrator. It can be House Edge or any other effect. Thats why many ends up in loss when they do gambling.   

[D217]

The two questions I always have for people selling strategies / bots / etc. is

1. Can you replicate it on a fresh new account. And announce the account before you start.  That way we know that you don't play on N accounts, and then simply announce the best result.

2. Why don't you just instead use your own strategy? Why does it make more sense going through all the effort of selling it, when you could simply use it

I know that you know the answers to these questions, I know you are asking it just to tell them how they are basically selling a scam, and I know you know it is impossible to "guarantee" profit.

However I just want to answer via your questions to anyone who may have doubts. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY can guarantee income, they can't just start a new account, let it be known, and then do it live action so that we can see it, even if they get lucky and make it once, they can't do it few times back to back, a guarantee means they can start 10 accounts, let us know before hand, and do it on 10 different accounts and make a profit in all of those 10, even 50%+ of it being profitable would be good to prove me wrong, but they can't, it is impossible, mathematically impossible. And yes they are not doing it to profit themselves BECAUSE it is not a way to profit, selling it guarantees profit, using it does not.

I can do it whether you believe or not.
I will officially start with brand new accounts once the poll ends (after 100 votes).

https://www.poll-maker.com/poll3817731x70A34c40-119

[Kong Hey Pakboy]

You simply cannot guarantee a profit from playing dice at Bustadice. In the long term it is statistically impossible to overcome the house edge and use a casino game like this as a revenue stream. If it were possible, why would Daniel even keep this site going? Bustadice is not a charity.

It's true, overtime the losses will be so high that even if you are winning the losses is still much greater, that's the right logic to apply, why would run the site if they know that they aren't the one that's winning all the money circulating in the site. Also, does Bustadice still have their bankroll investing?

[Lakai01]

It's true, overtime the losses will be so high that even if you are winning the losses is still much greater, that's the right logic to apply -snip-

The longer you play, the more likely it is that your profit or loss will equal the House Edge. So you're bound to lose over a very long period of time, that's true. But House Edges are not so high that they would drive you to ruin, you do that yourself, for example with very high stakes and very high multipliers, just because you feel "full of luck".

I can do it whether you believe or not.

So you found a way to break probalistic? If so, the next Nobel Prize is definitely yours, congrats!

[RILWAN]

It's true, overtime the losses will be so high that even if you are winning the losses is still much greater, that's the right logic to apply -snip-

I can do it whether you believe or not.

i am not doubting your abillity but then it to hard to believe as gambling sites have the own system on ground to combat such skills.

So you found a way to break probalistic? If so, the next Nobel Prize is definitely yours, congrats!
[/quote]
well let not be too quick to congratulate the ops as he needs to prove that with a winning from reputable site e.g. Butadice for us to be sure he has that skills to break the probably fair system.

[Lakai01]

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well let not be too quick to congratulate the ops as he needs to prove that with a winning from reputable site e.g. Butadice for us to be sure he has that skills to break the probably fair system.

That was sarcastic and not meant seriously

I don't assume that he has found a way to trick the probability calculation and thus found a strategy that gives him constant profits. Such a thing is only possible if he would have found a bug on Bustadice/Bustabit that he exploits. However, since both casinos have been on the market for a very long time and hundreds of thousands of Bitcoins have been gambled away, I think this is also unrealistic.

[pmgNOFFIRG]

the first bustadice default, is only one crypto is supported, btc fees are to high,  realy to high... usualy on casinos i deposit about 25$, and btc fee is around 15$.... You understood that is disqualifying for me. But native scripting support makes me want to play

[Mahanton]

the first bustadice default, is only one crypto is supported, btc fees are to high,  realy to high... usualy on casinos i deposit about 25$, and btc fee is around 15$.... You understood that is disqualifying for me. But native scripting support makes me want to play

No, they arent static ones but rather dynamic which does depend on bitcoin network condition.
https://bustadice.com/faq#withdrawal-fee

[TheQuin]

the first bustadice default, is only one crypto is supported, btc fees are to high,  realy to high... usualy on casinos i deposit about 25$, and btc fee is around 15$.... You understood that is disqualifying for me. But native scripting support makes me want to play

No, they arent static ones but rather dynamic which does depend on bitcoin network condition.
https://bustadice.com/faq#withdrawal-fee

They said deposit so I think they mean that the exchange they use charges exorbitantly high static withdrawal fees. That really isn't the fault of any Bitcoin casino.

[milewilda]

the first bustadice default, is only one crypto is supported, btc fees are to high,  realy to high... usualy on casinos i deposit about 25$, and btc fee is around 15$.... You understood that is disqualifying for me. But native scripting support makes me want to play

No, they arent static ones but rather dynamic which does depend on bitcoin network condition.
https://bustadice.com/faq#withdrawal-fee

They said deposit so I think they mean that the exchange they use charges exorbitantly high static withdrawal fees. That really isn't the fault of any Bitcoin casino.

Not actually correlated since you are the ones who do make out deposit.It doesnt matter if it comes from an exchange or your own non or custodial wallet.You are obliged to pay up some fees
neither a combination of additional charges + network fees or would be totally just the network fee alone.You wouldnt be having no choice but if you are on an exchange then you could
easily make out swaps but bustadice do only accept bitcoin which means you dont have any choice.

[toast]

the first bustadice default, is only one crypto is supported, btc fees are to high,  realy to high... usualy on casinos i deposit about 25$, and btc fee is around 15$.... You understood that is disqualifying for me. But native scripting support makes me want to play

Bustadice doesn't do anything with your deposit they don't charge that to you, the miners do or the exchange site where you are going to withdraw that will charge you. You can consider lowering the transaction fee but you need to wait a little while before you can receive confirmation but I think in regards with the withdrawal I think they have a low withdrawal fee.

[TheQuin]

the first bustadice default, is only one crypto is supported, btc fees are to high,  realy to high... usualy on casinos i deposit about 25$, and btc fee is around 15$.... You understood that is disqualifying for me. But native scripting support makes me want to play

No, they arent static ones but rather dynamic which does depend on bitcoin network condition.
https://bustadice.com/faq#withdrawal-fee

They said deposit so I think they mean that the exchange they use charges exorbitantly high static withdrawal fees. That really isn't the fault of any Bitcoin casino.

Not actually correlated since you are the ones who do make out deposit.It doesnt matter if it comes from an exchange or your own non or custodial wallet.You are obliged to pay up some fees
neither a combination of additional charges + network fees or would be totally just the network fee alone.You wouldnt be having no choice but if you are on an exchange then you could
easily make out swaps but bustadice do only accept bitcoin which means you dont have any choice.

It makes a massive difference which exchange you use or if you use your own wallet. It's the exchanges charging high static fees that are the problem and not high Bitcoin network fees. The site I work for is currently charging 0.00000080 BTC for a slow withdrawal, you could deposit for less than 0.00000200 BTC using your own wallet and get confirmed in the next block but Binance for example always charge 0.00050000 BTC.