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October 05, 2017, 03:08:45 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
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"Anti government" probably isn't a fair description. "Anti big government" may be more accurate a term.

I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.

In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.

Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.

Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.
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October 05, 2017, 08:37:17 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

Well honestly in a country like where I live you pay about 80% taxes on every Euro that you make (I think its slightly higher as that 80-86%).
That is because incometax is high but you also pay taxes on EVERYTHING you buy, then there's taxes on your capital, taxes on any land you have.. etcetcetc.

I'm not anti-government we need a government or rather an organ of organisation to remove trash, clean up city's, keep infrastructure working etc.

Though I do think the monetary system is largely being exploited by small groups of people (in relation to the majority).
Class systems are still invisbly in effect.
But most of all its the banks that I despise.

I do think that allot of the people you will meet here who have been doing this for a while are not to keen on banks or the currenct financial system. Neither am I really.

Most people don't really understand the monetary system and I think most who do can be found here.

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October 05, 2017, 08:47:44 PM
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I have also been thinking that for bitcoin to be accepted all over the world and having impact on our national economy we most make it transparent to governments and it's authorities. We should make things easy the way governments can have confidence on bitcoin to the extent of adopting bitcoin into its economy.
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November 14, 2017, 06:44:12 PM
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I am not anti government its our mind set that we are following and we don't want that government's decision can give us loss.
Although if government bans the crypto currencies in my country I'll respect their decisions, but also find out the alternative of that.

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November 14, 2017, 06:58:30 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
The main issue in this is that there is too much politics in it, and when we talk about politics, we are talking about the art of negotiation, and politics is not alway as transparent as we wish.
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November 14, 2017, 07:06:37 PM
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This is something that makes me a dilemma, on the one hand I want bitcoin set by the government in my country, so the use of bitcoin can be free without any obstacles, so far I am hampered because the government in my country still has not decided on bitcoin, if bitcoin has been legalized in my country , I have the freedom to transact using bitcoin in offline. But on the one hand I do not want bitcoin set by the government for the use of bitcoin can be free without any law that is prophecy for bitcoin.

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November 14, 2017, 07:21:17 PM
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Yeah because in general nobody likes their governments. Where I live they are generally okay and they help you out quite a bit but for most of the world I would say governments are corrupt and a source of pain. By getting

into bitcoin and other cryptos you can get rid of the corruption and the pain that comes along with it.

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November 14, 2017, 07:23:33 PM
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if bitcoin has been legalized in my country , I have the freedom to transact using bitcoin in offline.

What exactly do you mean by that? Using Bitcoin as currency tool in local situations (e.g. grocery shopping, etc)? If so, then you could at least attempt to launch a certain initiative to make local stores accept Bitcoin as 1) publicity stunt, and 2) a potentially extra form of incoming revenue. People quite often say that they want to use Bitcoin to pay for things, but if you want to make it really happen, then at least put some effort in it. It's that, or either potentially waiting years to see them accept Bitcoin as payment option (if ever).
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November 14, 2017, 07:29:57 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

I earn 1000 unit of money each month and they take 500 unit of money out as the income tax. Why shall I advocate the government in this position?

I'm anti-tax, not an anti-government guy. They don't have right for that much tax to charge from us.
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November 14, 2017, 07:30:58 PM
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This is something that makes me a dilemma, on the one hand I want bitcoin set by the government in my country, so the use of bitcoin can be free without any obstacles, so far I am hampered because the government in my country still has not decided on bitcoin, if bitcoin has been legalized in my country , I have the freedom to transact using bitcoin in offline. But on the one hand I do not want bitcoin set by the government for the use of bitcoin can be free without any law that is prophecy for bitcoin.
They wont really able to regulate that stuff even on imposing directly tax on it.Knowing bitcoin is an decentralized thing thats why most government would really see this as an issue which they would really tend to ban or block it and we did see this already on some countries which is really sad because they do only saw the negative side of bitcoin without trying to see its benefits.

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November 14, 2017, 08:40:41 PM
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You should know that bitcoin is the way out from that kind of system on the economics, i dont know why you are in here if you really love banks and all that stuff just like you are saying on that post.
We all are here for only one purpose, making some money, and just to be descentralized for a while and keep making money without having to pay incredible taxes just for earning a few bucks.
that is the main reason of why we all are so susceptible about this problem, and you are lucky because this forum is not like it was before.

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November 14, 2017, 08:48:18 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

Are you surprised? I actually am that you are a government supporter. Do you honestly believe that if someone else decides for you it's all gonna be fine? Are you scared and in need of protection? Do you want other people to handle your money and tell you what you should and shouldn't do? If not wanting it makes me anti government than I am.
I don't want to be oppressed. We are living in a world of masters and slaves where people still have power over each other, and that power is bought with fiat money.

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November 14, 2017, 09:04:06 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
The government takes almost 50% taxes from the salary of every person and still that is not enough for every project a country needs.It is logically why people dont want governments to take control. If that would happen governments will apply a minimum 20% tax for every income a person earns through bitcoin, even if it is not profit(same as sports gambling where it doesnt matter if you are in profit or not, if you withdraw something you pay taxes)
I think we are lucky that governments didn't created any law for cryptocurrencies until now and we should be happy until it is going to happen.
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November 18, 2017, 03:09:21 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
The government takes almost 50% taxes from the salary of every person and still that is not enough for every project a country needs.It is logically why people dont want governments to take control. If that would happen governments will apply a minimum 20% tax for every income a person earns through bitcoin, even if it is not profit(same as sports gambling where it doesnt matter if you are in profit or not, if you withdraw something you pay taxes)
I think we are lucky that governments didn't created any law for cryptocurrencies until now and we should be happy until it is going to happen.

What bitcoin is trying to offer is lowering the taxes that the government are getting from people, imagine the current process on money transfer how many times will the government tax that the funds that you are trying to transfer before it goes to the person where you sent it. Bitcoin's concept might be against the way how governments wants to do it but that is also the reason why people are choosing bitcoin.
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November 18, 2017, 05:04:54 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

I'm not anti government, but I think the system is not working well in the vast majority of countries. Taxes are incredibly high, and on almost every country there is a small percent of people that live in luxury, at the expenses of the vast majority that works their whole life, almost on auto-pilot mode because they hardly have any time to think or pursuit their needs as a human being, since they are always worried because they can barely pay their bills.

There are also a lot of cases of corruption, and justice rarely does anything about it. Asking for decentralization, is not being anti-government, but rather seeking for a fairer society. It's a way to give us a chance to survive when governments screw up, because we are now in control of a decentralized store of value like gold, and we won't see our money become trash, just because our country leaders were greedy.

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November 18, 2017, 06:07:04 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

I don't think it's anti-government (generally) as much as it is specifically anti-government control over private citizens money and wealth. And to be fair, banks play a huge role in this too.

It what scenario can you get access to your money without you or a merchant having to pay a fee?

The angst comes from living in a system where a middle man (the government or the banks) are constantly taking a cut. Bitcoin allows you to be your own bank...and the good and bad that comes with that.
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November 18, 2017, 06:39:05 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

True. I was reading in some other topic too. People have built mentality that government is against Bitcoin because it is good for people. Cheesy
They aren't aware of the fact that Bitcoin is serious threat to growing economy of the nations if not regulated wisely. There are tons of wrong doing happening in Bitcoin and can widened if Bitcoin isn't regulated soon in every nation. One of which is ICO. I do consider ICO to be the biggest threat to Bitcoin market, both legally as well as on the basis of survival. I am in favour that Bitcoin market must be regulated.
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November 18, 2017, 06:48:29 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Not everyone are against the Government when it is all about bitcoin and being decentralized, we are just sick about what they are doing repeatedly to the economy of a nation that always fails. I'm not saying all of them are like that but some of them are greedy as hell as they impose over tax to the citizens printing paper money that is controlled by them. We are fine with right process of regulation but planning to control the bitcoin by centralizing the transaction of it within the country but that's not gonna happen because that is not how bitcoin works. They are allergic to the blockchain technology because it has no centralization, transparency and has non-modification features.
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November 18, 2017, 07:01:09 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

True. I was reading in some other topic too. People have built mentality that government is against Bitcoin because it is good for people. Cheesy
They aren't aware of the fact that Bitcoin is serious threat to growing economy of the nations if not regulated wisely. There are tons of wrong doing happening in Bitcoin and can widened if Bitcoin isn't regulated soon in every nation. One of which is ICO. I do consider ICO to be the biggest threat to Bitcoin market, both legally as well as on the basis of survival. I am in favour that Bitcoin market must be regulated.
When it comes to ICO i would really be on the decision on which they should really be regulated but talking on bitcoins regulation then this would be still on 50-50 situation since not all government would really consider such thing. Most people do really on one side which they do really like bitcoin because it cant be controlled nor be regulated directly by them. They can regulate but only on the services which it has a connection on it.
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November 18, 2017, 07:03:36 PM
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"Anti government" probably isn't a fair description. "Anti big government" may be more accurate a term.

I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.

In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.

Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.

Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.

You have a great brain. Really, we have already tired from our government, politics, tax rates... As I understood, you live in US — and it isn't as worse as in Europe. Look at Russia, its neighbour countries — their life disgusting. Double-digit percent for house load, cars load, people haven't got enough monet, taxes always increase under the motto "your future will be better than your parents have, just wait some years". Politicans always lie to electorat, the last believe in that bullshit and nothing happens.

Sorry, I lied to you. Our life become a shit, we must learn English, work hard, earn money, and can't but even a flat, that costs less than $ 100,000... Free medicine is too expencive, free education is too expencive, it is disgustingly.
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November 18, 2017, 07:26:19 PM
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"Anti government" probably isn't a fair description. "Anti big government" may be more accurate a term.

I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.

In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.

Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.

Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.


You have a great brain. Really, we have already tired from our government, politics, tax rates... As I understood, you live in US — and it isn't as worse as in Europe. Look at Russia, its neighbour countries — their life disgusting. Double-digit percent for house load, cars load, people haven't got enough monet, taxes always increase under the motto "your future will be better than your parents have, just wait some years". Politicans always lie to electorat, the last believe in that bullshit and nothing happens.

Sorry, I lied to you. Our life become a shit, we must learn English, work hard, earn money, and can't but even a flat, that costs less than $ 100,000... Free medicine is too expencive, free education is too expencive, it is disgustingly.
I understand your hatred for the goverments and i truly supported because i live in a country where life is really shit, i mean if you compare a worker from a 3rd world and a worker from the us or europe that is doing the same job, the 3rd world worker gets paid way to less than the other one, all of this is because of the goverlents, because they controll our lives and force us to do things we do, goverments were made to be a pawn in the people's hands not the other way around, in this world 90% of the world's goverments are courrapted because anyone who enters it even if he has good intention gets blined by the greed and the power and this leads to an unstable level of power between the countries, what makes the europe or the us different from the other countries, we all have nearly the same rsoureces some have more but they are still behiend and still have bad econnomy amm because of the corupption that is the goverment, and for that reson we hate them, and we thrive for a way out of thier controll and for this we use bitcoin in order to improve our lives that are bounded to this reched world that is courrapted by goverments and politcis, a world where everyone is blineded by their greed and love for power and money.
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November 18, 2017, 07:28:42 PM
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It becomes quite annoying when the government gets involved in everything. Let people choose what to deal with without its intervention. The thing is if the government gets involved, it will get its share and will put some troublesome regulations. That is why the government should not intervene.

Added to that statement, our government is not providing us with job opportunities. People are sick of being unemployed. Therefore, bitcoin is a life-saver. If it gets accepted by the government, then people will stop complaining about being unemployed.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

True. I was reading in some other topic too. People have built mentality that government is against Bitcoin because it is good for people. Cheesy
They aren't aware of the fact that Bitcoin is serious threat to growing economy of the nations if not regulated wisely. There are tons of wrong doing happening in Bitcoin and can widened if Bitcoin isn't regulated soon in every nation. One of which is ICO. I do consider ICO to be the biggest threat to Bitcoin market, both legally as well as on the basis of survival. I am in favour that Bitcoin market must be regulated.
What does the ICO to bitcoins? You mix all in one plate. I am also opposed to the government with his dirty paws interfered in bitcoin. In your post you deliberately consider bitcoin as a threat to the economy. You ever hear the word competition? Lol. If bitcoin can create the conditions in order to be recognized by people around the world. Let the government do their job and will create better conditions for people. Maybe then bitcoin would not be so popular. I do not understand those people who willingly want to deprive themselves of freedom.
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November 18, 2017, 08:14:40 PM
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Do not generalize it , Some Government acknowledges Bitcoin because they see it as a potential medium to create opportunities to their country including foreign investors, and Some Government see Bitcoin not harmful if regulated well .

Some countries may disagree with Bitcoin it is because they didn't studied it well, some of them see Bitcoin as a threath to their monetarynpolicies and discourages their controlling policies.

We cannot help but to accept that Bitcoin will be regulated by the Goverment, spexially when Bitcoin is cashd out inti fiat which means it is part of the responsibilities of the Government, so for me no hate to them but China's shitnss about spreading FUD and fake news is on another level. I just want them get shut uo ang stop tagging Bitcoin.
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November 18, 2017, 09:05:07 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

Well honestly in a country like where I live you pay about 80% taxes on every Euro that you make (I think its slightly higher as that 80-86%).
That is because incometax is high but you also pay taxes on EVERYTHING you buy, then there's taxes on your capital, taxes on any land you have.. etcetcetc.

I'm not anti-government we need a government or rather an organ of organisation to remove trash, clean up city's, keep infrastructure working etc.

Though I do think the monetary system is largely being exploited by small groups of people (in relation to the majority).
Class systems are still invisbly in effect.
But most of all its the banks that I despise.

I do think that allot of the people you will meet here who have been doing this for a while are not to keen on banks or the currenct financial system. Neither am I really.

Most people don't really understand the monetary system and I think most who do can be found here.

I don't think bitcoin use is anti-government. Maybe at the current time, governments are just not knowledgeable on how they can utilize the potential of bitcoins to their advantage. Right now, it is very difficult to control it given that its circulation is by means of the internet which is public and hard to regulate in general. However, many countries are already showing signs of interest and some are even planning to regulate or tax it.

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I think that all of us who are in this forum is because we really want to have a little bit of privacy inside of our finances, we really want a good change in to this system.
if you dont like the way that bitcoin has proposed the be the new economic system, then why are you here? it is weird because a lot of people are here in order to earn money, but the real ones like me, are the ones who are only looking to have more privacy and the real RIGHT to do not have to provide details about myself in order to spend money like it is happening all around the world.

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Its not anti-government but rather against the centralization of power that typically preys on the underprivileged.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Actually it is not about anti government, it is just that government has no full control over bitcoim..There is government who really acknowledges bitcoin and recognized it as a form of payment. Bitcoin have its decentralized feature that the government can only do is to rehulate it and not merely have full control over it. Basically, bitcoin can stand without government it is an independent system which allows anyone to have it and use it in any way they want. Evem big government canmot maniulate it.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Because they dont benefit from it. They cant control it and they cant corrupt it.
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November 18, 2017, 09:58:49 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Actually it is not about anti government, it is just that government has no full control over bitcoim..There is government who really acknowledges bitcoin and recognized it as a form of payment. Bitcoin have its decentralized feature that the government can only do is to rehulate it and not merely have full control over it. Basically, bitcoin can stand without government it is an independent system which allows anyone to have it and use it in any way they want. Evem big government canmot maniulate it.

If the government wants control of Bitcoin, it can get control of Bitcoin. This isn't a debatable thing. The government has many powers to control the people and could even decide to shut down the internet if they wanted. They could regulate crypto so much it would be impossible to use. Let us just be happy that this is not happening, yet at least, and continue working to grow the space.



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I can feel most of the sentiments here, high taxes, broken promises, the rich becoming richer and the poor become poorer. But I myself is not anti-government, I love my current government it that the mode of living of the common people has not somewhat improved. And I'm lucky that we have a government that's pro-bitcoin so that already a plus for us bitcoiners. If other government would just accept bitcoin and legalized it then we are really going to see bright future for most of the bitcoin enthusiast, however, there are nations who don't understand bitcoin, that's why they hate their government.

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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
I'm not anti goverment at all. Just because it's their usually work to do with things that they can't controlled. Bitcoin is just one of them.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
We can see that there are big taxes if government already know it, there is possibilities that it will be more strictly to use. We it is not anti government but it's not yet the time that government know it accurately they must learn it for them to understand us.
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I don't like the government. It strips people of their rights and steals from them.
If you think you have rights just wait until you get into trouble with some high ranked official. You'll see how the law usually works. For them to destroy a person is like taking a piss, just a normal daily routine.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

The government themselves are not somewhat happy that the people are finding a way out to source a living and not through them. It is a threat when the source of earnings of the masses elude them. They feel the most that citizens are meant to be loyal to them and beg their way through to get what they rightfully deserve. And the issue of not being able to tax earnings made from Cryptocurrency is a real concern too. I believe with time they can work and find their way through proper dialogue.
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I can feel most of the sentiments here, high taxes, broken promises, the rich becoming richer and the poor become poorer. But I myself is not anti-government, I love my current government it that the mode of living of the common people has not somewhat improved. And I'm lucky that we have a government that's pro-bitcoin so that already a plus for us bitcoiners. If other government would just accept bitcoin and legalized it then we are really going to see bright future for most of the bitcoin enthusiast, however, there are nations who don't understand bitcoin, that's why they hate their government.
I too am not an anti government but rather I would say I use bitcoin because of decentralization and for the convenience of sending money online. I like to use it because transactions can be done without no middle man and it is not controlled by an entity. Money is more secure in btc if you store it right. I don't hate any nation though for not understanding bitcoin. It is normal that some won't understand the benefits it bring.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

Not necessarily anti-government. There are just some features of the government that seem to be encroaching to the choice and freedom of the people. While it may also be about how tolerant we are to the government and its actions, some people are feeling that they are already choked and such feeling will lead into a kind of revolution, although not an armed one. Bitcoin is another direct effect of this feeling, not just against the government of course but also to the banks.
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"Anti government" probably isn't a fair description. "Anti big government" may be more accurate a term.

I think most recognize citizens of a nation don't need to pay 40% to 50% real tax rates to fund schools, roads, police & other socialist programs. If state programs were run efficiently the cost should be far lower. On a subconscious level people recognize the system is broken somewhere, even if they aren't aware of details relating to specifics.

In the 1600's the working class enjoyed 189 holidays or days off per year. Today that number has been reduced nearer to 104 on average. It probably doesn't take a genius to realize the hours of the average work day is increasing, wages are decreasing while rent, taxes and other liabilities are going up. In the 1950s many could afford a new home, new car & other luxuries with only 1 person in a household working full time. Today to afford the same luxuries typically both parents must work full time. The dream of being a home owner, putting ones kids through college, being able to afford healthcare. All of these things are becoming increasingly difficult to achieve.

Then there are the long list of broken promises politicians have made over the last few decades. The inability on the part of the state to prevent disasters like the economic collapse of 2008, which many economists predicted 2-3 years in advance. The inability to fix basic issues relating to job markets, outsourcing of jobs, taxes, deficit, debt, streamlining of operations, fixing of healthcare, etc.

Decentralization also is not "anti government". Its moreso dividing power and influence in such a way as to make it difficult for systems to become centralized and exploited.

Well this is one of the topics that anyone of us make us dilemma. If you're facing this kind of situation, You will notice that Government is unfair. They are limiting the rights of every people in their country. But you will see how their law works, It strictly limits an every person in their country.
In the other hand, Many people must invest in Bitcoin. You know why? Because it will help you in many ways, including saving and earning money.

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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
it's not like that we aren't opposing the government we don't like the centralized way of holding money like banks and also bitcoin is a convenient way of sending money online without using your credit card or debit card and put all your details online making you and your money vulnerable for stealing it. We all know that if a website that you made a purchase was hacked and all of customer credit card details had been shown it's over you will see the charges you didn't purchase online.
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I am not anti government its our mind set that we are following and we don't want that government's decision can give us loss.
Although if government bans the crypto currencies in my country I'll respect their decisions, but also find out the alternative of that.

I do not like you who are too obedient to the government that prohibits crypto currency. if in my country prohibits crypto currency then I will do a rally so the government can accept crypto currency.

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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

We generally don't like the governments getting too involved with our personal, financial/economic, social lives so when we start using a technology like Bitcoin which not only gives us a choice to steer clear of governmental regulations/interference, but also empowers us economically, I guess we naturally tend to be anti-government when it comes to Bitcoin. The sentiment behind the creation of Bitcoin is anti-government, but does that mean all Bitcoin users are anti-government? Nope. Different philosophies, while for a few anti-government/anarchism/agorism is appealing, censorship-resistant border-less means of exchange does matter, and for others these aspects doesn't count much.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
There is nothing wrong in that.People have suffered a lot due to government's policies and heavy taxes laid on them.They have faced strict regulations regarding transactions and their economic activities have been accountable to government authorities.This is the first time they have started to enjoy financial freedom and they need not have to disclose any personal information for sending even very huge amounts to any where around the world.So,they just don't want to once again lose their freedom in the hands of government.

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November 20, 2017, 01:39:59 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
No one here is anti-government. But yes the idea of bitcoin itself is quite anti-government. People here just want to be the real owner of their money and dont want to give up any share out of their money to someone. But what they don't realize is that instead of any national government we have a set of miners here to whom we actually end up paying taxes(or fees). So its nothing called anti-government in bitcoin too.
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There is no scientific calculation involved in this statement; everyone will try to save power in their hands rather than shifting to other. And in this case Bitcoin being decentralized can take away greater benefits from government like taxation, banks and investment schemes and so on. Hence, government is trying to come up with regulations so that both users and government can enjoy Bitcoin transactions rather than imposing a ban on it.
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Being decentralized and not controlled by government doesn't means that we are anti government. We are just enjoying the freedom of earning income solely for ourselves, without thinking that the salary for the overtime work just goes to the pocket of some bad officials. But it is just fine if the taxes that we pay is really for the development of the economy of a country.
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Government is in direct competition with BTC and Cryptos and vice versa via their fiat creation.

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It is a general term I think, 'anti government' and can be expanded to be 'anti establishment' to include the financial institutions which seem to do their own thing with 'our' funds.
just go back to 2007 when the sh1t hot the fan and there was financial chaos all because of how the banks were run on the lead up to that.
many many people lost a lot and many many people who had not contributed to the corruption are still paying for it.
these factors infleuenced to creation of bitcoin and why so many people are not willing to get burned again

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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Because that is whole point of bitcoin, if we wanted to use a coin created by a government we will use fiat and be done with it, bitcoin is something different, that is why it most of the time it is compared to gold since gold is just a substance of the universe and does not belong to any government, bitcoin is just a bunch of data that does not belong to any government either and we want it to remain that way.
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Yeah... But I must mention that there is not every single goverment well working. Some are good for economy, other for people and the rest are just usefull. It mainly depends on where do you live etc. Goverment is needed in every country but by the same way that picked goverment should be smart and helpful what is usually neglected. Bitcoin an crypto in general avoid in certain case the goverment or law. But to be honest only in theory in the highly developed and modern countries.
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There is anti government because so many citizens loss confident in government policy and programs, Government is not trying to deliver her mandate,corruption everywhere by government officials. That promote anti government by the citizenry.
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The main reason for the popularity of bitcoin is that the government has no control over it. It's not because all the owners of bitcoins are criminals. People are tired of lying politicians. They don't trust these liars and bitcoin gave them the opportunity to minimize the dependence on government. That's why no one wants to lose their freedom.
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I'm personally not anti government, the system itself is good but the people that run it are not. I just really hate banks. Basically banks incentivize to make as many loans as possible, that's how they make a lot of money but there is a problem with this.

''Not only are banks not incentivized to prevent an over-reliance on debt and credit, but, in the absence of regulation, the financial sector is heavily incentivized to push the economy into more, and more risky, borrowing and lending.''

Personally what I think what's wrong with banks is that they are too big to fail, meaning the public, us, are the ones who end up subsidizing the risk the banks do take.

Really anything that's too big is usually bad, big corporations are also just as bad because they are already so big that they don't need to innovate or compete with someone else, they can just buy out the competition and crush them.

Funny example with youtube and google. Have you seen how they forced everyone to have a google+ account to still use youtube? No one liked that but they were still able to pull it off because they are so big that you have to accept, that's the problem.
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I don't think it's about anti government, it's the opposite, it's for the government, bitcoin is a form of monetary system that works pretty good for the last 9 years, so arguably you can say if a government relies on this monetary system rather than having their own, this government will be smaller and more efficient, think of it as out sourcing the monetary control back to the public, which is good, because then government can focus on other important aspects like education/health/infrastructure... in the same way you can say it will make banks more efficient, no need for layers over layers over layers, all of us can have access to the base layer and transact without any permission, banks in crypto era will become more like a utility providers, and this our primary focus on CommerceBlock to provide the blockchain infrastructure for the utility providers of the future.

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November 20, 2017, 07:31:32 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin


Well, I don't think people here or people in the crypto world are really anti-government.
Maybe we should put it as people who want privacy, who are already so much tired of the current outdated system we have.
Not to mention the unbearable and extremely high taxes that the government puts on almost everything. I think it is just right to  hate the government. Amd besides, it isn't just in crypto but about everything. People will always hate amy government. That is just how people roll.

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November 20, 2017, 07:36:33 PM
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Being decentralized and not controlled by government doesn't means that we are anti government. We are just enjoying the freedom of earning income solely for ourselves, without thinking that the salary for the overtime work just goes to the pocket of some bad officials. But it is just fine if the taxes that we pay is really for the development of the economy of a country.
It's my take too that decentralization does not translate to anti government, but people over the ages have been disappointed and frustrated by centralized ways of doing things and because that favors the governments, they let them hang in and the people had no other choice. The advent of Bitcoin however speaks volume of what people truly want and any responsible and progressive minded government should respect that if it's as they claim that they're there to protect the interests of the people.
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People don't want bitcoin to be controlled and regulated by central authorities as they feel it would be against crypto-users interest. It is a propaganda created by some people without thinking the cons of a decentralized economy.
Lets have some patience and see what steps central authorities are planning to take in order to regulate Bitcoin or crypto-market, then only we can decide these regulation policies are good or bad for crypto-users
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

In order to understand this in the proper way, you can do the following mental experiment: replace the government with a random guy. He takes half of your money and spends it to whatever he likes. Some of it is good, but some is very bad. You tell him that he cannot do bad things with your money, but he ignores you and increases the bad to good ratio to wrong direction. What would you do?
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I am not an anti-governement but mine goes too far, being involved in almost everything we are doing, and always telling you what is good for you, what is bad, what you should eat or drink, how you should educate your children ...
I'm really fed up with people knowing better than myself what is good or not for me.
Governement is normally elected to handle regalian functions: it shouldn't care about my personnal life, noways !  

Also considering the government takes about 80% of my incomes and definitely spoil it with unefficient expenses , Bitcoin is a good way to recover my lost freedom.  


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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

In order to understand this in the proper way, you can do the following mental experiment: replace the government with a random guy. He takes half of your money and spends it to whatever he likes. Some of it is good, but some is very bad. You tell him that he cannot do bad things with your money, but he ignores you and increases the bad to good ratio to wrong direction. What would you do?

Governments are generally not in support of something they cannot control and bitcoin is just one of those things  and  for them to entertain it whereas they have their own centralized currency has become a big problem for them.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Bitcoin is not controlled by the government. Government doesn't not get tax from it. Because be decentralized with bitcoin. People are not much interested to give tax to government. For this reason, they are anti government.
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I think 80% of people are anti government , it is just because some of the law of governments are causing people be in poverty . some people also thinks that the government didn't do anything for their own countrymen ..
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Bitcoin is not controlled by the government. Government doesn't not get tax from it. Because be decentralized with bitcoin. People are not much interested to give tax to government. For this reason, they are anti government.

Well you have to consider that bitcoin's features bring a lot more convenience to regular people than regular banks. Banks are ran by governments and for the longest time, people didn't have any choice. Now with the emergence of btc we all have a choice

 
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It seems to me that the percentage of people who do not trust their government is higher than 80%. Why is the government not people? There are only millionaires or bankers. They put a lot of money in their election campaign. Do you think that they do it gratis? Lol. I don't believe them. They all go into power with the purpose of enrichment. They do it at our expense. Therefore, I am against any government intervention in cryptocurrency circulation.

 
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November 21, 2017, 12:40:01 PM
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This sound strange, that people are against the government because those people have elected their governments. At least in civilized countries.
It's true that majority of governments and central banks would like to have the control over Bitcoin although I think they realize this is not possible so they are trying to estsblish at least some form of regulation. Some users see that as a centralization and control that is why they are against it. But governments can't destroy Bitcoin and after all this time I don't think they are still trying.

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November 21, 2017, 01:07:14 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Bitcoin is not controlled by the government. Government doesn't not get tax from it. Because be decentralized with bitcoin. People are not much interested to give tax to government. For this reason, they are anti government.
if indeed bitcoin progressed and applied tax in each country then we still have to follow it. if for now I do see that bitcoin has not been implemented among the government, because the government alone can not monitor anyone bitcoin users.
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November 21, 2017, 01:35:26 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

Avtually i am not anti government. If we talk about bitcoin not being controlled by government, it depend on each government. Not every single government will do it.

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November 21, 2017, 01:43:59 PM
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I am not anti-government, in fact we do not need to mention anti-government bitcoin, because the government is in charge. in my country the government has not been able to control bitcoin and it is still illegal. if the government stops access to bitcoin, I'm sure the government is already thinking about the best for the country and its people.
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November 21, 2017, 02:03:46 PM
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I think everybody understands the need for government. But governments must fulfill the needs of the people and not just a few of the rich and powerful. If governments were truthful, democratic, efficient, resourceful, just and transparent, there would be few complaints  Cheesy
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November 21, 2017, 04:25:49 PM
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People don't want bitcoin to be controlled and regulated by central authorities as they feel it would be against crypto-users interest. It is a propaganda created by some people without thinking the cons of a decentralized economy.
Lets have some patience and see what steps central authorities are planning to take in order to regulate Bitcoin or crypto-market, then only we can decide these regulation policies are good or bad for crypto-users
It's not by choice but by design that Bitcoin is censorship-resistant and that's one of its highlights. Imagine we would not have been here today discussing about Bitcoin and cryptocurrency if they had that control, because they would have killed it right away just like a number of governments attempted banning Bitcoin only reality dawned on them that practically they cannot and that makes the day of many because the power that some gold smiths stole ages ago just got back to its real owners.
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November 21, 2017, 04:32:34 PM
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Who's not?
It is getting weary relying on the government to do their job when no one else really did. It is just a campaign where they spend money for election thinking they can double it after they got elected or maybe even triple that money and more.
That is how the government works now. A lot of people want change and just rely on themselves to create the heaven that they wanted.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

We generally don't like the governments getting too involved with our personal, financial/economic, social lives so when we start using a technology like Bitcoin which not only gives us a choice to steer clear of governmental regulations/interference, but also empowers us economically, I guess we naturally tend to be anti-government when it comes to Bitcoin. The sentiment behind the creation of Bitcoin is anti-government, but does that mean all Bitcoin users are anti-government? Nope. Different philosophies, while for a few anti-government/anarchism/agorism is appealing, censorship-resistant border-less means of exchange does matter, and for others these aspects doesn't count much.
Haha, funny. By the way, who said something about anti government here? Only a fool will say he doesn’t want the government. Bet me, you can’t live in a world where there is no government. All we pray for is that we get a leader and not a ruler. The only people you see here that are anti government are the bad guys, probably the criminals, who don’t want the government to look into their evil business. Good people has nothing to hide about themselves.
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November 22, 2017, 10:54:33 AM
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I think 80% of people are anti government , it is just because some of the law of governments are causing people be in poverty . some people also thinks that the government didn't do anything for their own countrymen ..
I really doubt the number is that big, I'm sure most people's view is a bit more nuanced than that.
If your statement was correct, that would mean that 80% of people are basically all for anarchy, since that's what it basically comes down to if you're anti-government.

Most people probably feel that the government needs to change, but they're still glad that there is a government.

Also, posting these statistics without any sources to back them up doesn't do any good. I can also make up some numbers and use them to fit my agenda.

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November 22, 2017, 11:29:34 AM
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I think 80% of people are anti government , it is just because some of the law of governments are causing people be in poverty . some people also thinks that the government didn't do anything for their own countrymen ..
I really doubt the number is that big, I'm sure most people's view is a bit more nuanced than that.
If your statement was correct, that would mean that 80% of people are basically all for anarchy, since that's what it basically comes down to if you're anti-government.

Most people probably feel that the government needs to change, but they're still glad that there is a government.

Also, posting these statistics without any sources to back them up doesn't do any good. I can also make up some numbers and use them to fit my agenda.

That number is way, way too big. Maybe in some undeveloped corrupt countries it's somewhere close to that number but it's not that people do not want the government but maybe a reformation or a new leader. I can use my country as an example, people here are crying about the government and want the President (former PM) to be replaced but far from anti-government.

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I think 80% of people are anti government , it is just because some of the law of governments are causing people be in poverty . some people also thinks that the government didn't do anything for their own countrymen ..
Yes, it is just not fair honestly, when you just see some set of people you have placed in the position of power doing things to hurt you and even trying to take food away from your mouth. Definitely, it is a wicked world most especially for some people who have some wicked corrupt people in government.

There are some countries that no one should ever believe any of the citizens will be suffering when you look at the natural resources bestowed on them, but it is just funny how the government decided to monopolize all these and make people suffer for their daily needs. Tell me how people like this will not be anti-government ?
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Anti government? When it comes to bitcoin.First thing, we are not controlled by the government. Bitcoins are free to everyone. Thats why we can't call ourselves anti government because bitcoin is not governments property.

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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
There really are people who are anti government but I don't think if we can call it "anti government" when it comes to Bitcoin's system using a blockchain technology. It doesn't mean that using decentralized platform symbolizes generally to be like we are an anti government. We just need to have a privacy, security and transparency features or characteristics of Bitcoin so that there will be no more third party interventions like banks that is controlled by governments and of course with the pressence of tax. Grin



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November 23, 2017, 04:50:04 AM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
There really are people who are anti government but I don't think if we can call it "anti government" when it comes to Bitcoin's system using a blockchain technology. It doesn't mean that using decentralized platform symbolizes generally to be like we are an anti government. We just need to have a privacy, security and transparency features or characteristics of Bitcoin so that there will be no more third party interventions like banks that is controlled by governments and of course with the pressence of tax. Grin


They are people looking forward to what they expect if the bitcoin would consider as a secondary money. Because they found it how simple and fast transaction that has to be done in just a few minutes. Being acceptable payment It would be much easy, no hassle free required. And everything must be in   places.
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November 25, 2017, 02:38:36 AM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
No one here is anti-government. But yes the idea of bitcoin itself is quite anti-government. People here just want to be the real owner of their money and dont want to give up any share out of their money to someone. But what they don't realize is that instead of any national government we have a set of miners here to whom we actually end up paying taxes(or fees). So its nothing called anti-government in bitcoin too.
True, most of the people in the forum are not anti government what we want is to be free to do as we wish, within certain limits of course, but governments do not want that they want to know every single thing about you, it seems that people in this age have forgotten what it means to have privacy, every time I talk to them about that, they say I have nothing to hide, me neither but that does not mean I want everyone to know what I'm doing all the time.
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I think it's also like that everyone connected with bitcoin will become anti-government. I think it's because of the government because too many unreasonable regulatory rules are money
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Bitcoin is not controlled by the government. Government doesn't not get tax from it. Because be decentralized with bitcoin. People are not much interested to give tax to government. For this reason, they are anti government.
It doesn't mean that the people are against government in terms of tax collection with our bitcoin. The main thing is that,the government won't let their people to be engaged with bitcoin as they can never controlled this. That's why some countries are regulating bitcoin is for them to try controlling it's flow in the market. And of course the community don't want it to happen, because it may lead to the abuse of their authorities towards bitcoin and may creat troubles in the long run.
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I think 80% of people are anti government , it is just because some of the law of governments are causing people be in poverty . some people also thinks that the government didn't do anything for their own countrymen ..
If you think about it governments do not really solve anything and in fact create more problems than they solve, they charge you taxes to keep you safe and yet criminality rates in my country are sky high, they say they redistribute wealth for the poor, but they steal most of that money and they do not generate wealth themselves so they make the process and even greater waste of time, so like you see governments of the world fail at almost anything they are supposed to do.
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November 29, 2017, 06:33:18 PM
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I think 80% of people are anti government , it is just because some of the law of governments are causing people be in poverty . some people also thinks that the government didn't do anything for their own countrymen ..
If you think about it governments do not really solve anything and in fact create more problems than they solve, they charge you taxes to keep you safe and yet criminality rates in my country are sky high, they say they redistribute wealth for the poor, but they steal most of that money and they do not generate wealth themselves so they make the process and even greater waste of time, so like you see governments of the world fail at almost anything they are supposed to do.


Taxes is  the one of the reason for anti government thought.All the country in this world charging taxes from there people expect Arabian country.Did they spend that taxes for the people welfare???
Obviously no,so this make the people angry for the stealing of their money in the name  of taxes.
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November 29, 2017, 06:45:35 PM
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Well I don`t think that people are anti government but they are against of a sided government who controls money and gives it to its supporters whereas just rich become richer and poor poorer. If there is no injustice why one would be against government. ?
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If you will really think about it, bitcoin is a crytocurrency that cannot be manipulated or controlled by the government. Many traders realized just how astounding bitcoin is, thus the concept of anti-government emerged.
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Nobody wants to be controlled in their money. Nobody wants to pay taxes but they have to because it is the law. So everyone wants to enjoy the benefits they have right with bitcoin, the freedom and the volatile yet rising value of bitcoin and it is not subject to any law yet.

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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
The government of my country can only increase the level of corruption, theft at the state level and so on. Bitcoin is a salvation from them and it is not necessary that they touch cryptocurrency. Although the government is necessary for the state ...
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
They are not fair when it comes to bitcoin some of them are not accepting bitcoin because they believe thatbthisnis scam currency which thinking for the best of their people but they don’t know the really worth of it unless thry will try by their own.
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I think 80% of people are anti government , it is just because some of the law of governments are causing people be in poverty . some people also thinks that the government didn't do anything for their own countrymen ..
If you think about it governments do not really solve anything and in fact create more problems than they solve, they charge you taxes to keep you safe and yet criminality rates in my country are sky high, they say they redistribute wealth for the poor, but they steal most of that money and they do not generate wealth themselves so they make the process and even greater waste of time, so like you see governments of the world fail at almost anything they are supposed to do.


Taxes is  the one of the reason for anti government thought.All the country in this world charging taxes from there people expect Arabian country.Did they spend that taxes for the people welfare???
Obviously no,so this make the people angry for the stealing of their money in the name  of taxes.
Correct and this is why they are growing even more unpopular, they are always thinking of new ways to steal your money and saying those taxes are for the poor, when in fact they are stealing that money, but this cannot continue for long, they may think we cannot do anything about it but at some point the economy they created based on debt is going to collapse and they are going to have to face the consequences of their actions. 
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

In order to understand this in the proper way, you can do the following mental experiment: replace the government with a random guy. He takes half of your money and spends it to whatever he likes. Some of it is good, but some is very bad. You tell him that he cannot do bad things with your money, but he ignores you and increases the bad to good ratio to wrong direction. What would you do?

Governments are generally not in support of something they cannot control and bitcoin is just one of those things  and  for them to entertain it whereas they have their own centralized currency has become a big problem for them.
Governments have always kept us in the dark, enslaved us and have decided to monopolize everything for their greedy ways which is why they have always been such a controlling freak at the detriment of the masses. Bitcoin on the other hand as come in a way to liberate us and to break all those chains the government has put round our necks. So with the OP question, once, you set a slave free, what do you think would happen?
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When it comes to our bitcoin we dont want the government go regulate it and impose tax to us thats why we are anti government.
Bad government is bad inflation rate and bitcoin is not affected by the inflation of a certain country.
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December 05, 2017, 07:55:19 AM
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Simply because government is unable to control and track transaction taking place over the countries, hence they are not able to track the income of a user. Thereby not able to find users actual income, giving government a loss and making them anti-government.

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Simply because government is unable to control and track transaction taking place over the countries, hence they are not able to track the income of a user. Thereby not able to find users actual income, giving government a loss and making them anti-government.

That may be true, but not entirely true. Not all countries in the world oppose Bitcoin, there are some countries that support and use Bitcoin as a tool to improve their economy. There are some countries that ban Bitcoin, probably because they think they can not take profit from Bitcoin. Usually a country like that would think that Bitcoin makes them lose, because people tend to select Bitcoin because it is free of taxes. We also do not keep Bitcoin in the bank, and we can be free to do transactions. Maybe that's why many countries do not like Bitcoin. And if a small country can take advantage of Bitcoin, surely they will become a rich country.
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Bitcoin enthusiast are anti governments because governments will never want to have a system that they cannot control, they don't want a decentralized system and bitcoin is decentralized therefore governments don't want it and since we the bitcoiner love bitcoin we have to see governments as enemies. In bitcoin governments which is been headed by evils politicians and elites that have enslave many people will not like people to see bitcoin as the best alternative to fiat systems which is tools in the hands.
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I think it's because of taxes, of course we have to pay taxes, because that's also to make the country more advanced, but bitcoin is different, the government has taxed our pay monthly, why they should take from here too. happy to bitcoin because no one controls it.
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December 07, 2017, 07:19:49 PM
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Well I don`t think that people are anti government but they are against of a sided government who controls money and gives it to its supporters whereas just rich become richer and poor poorer. If there is no injustice why one would be against government. ?
Correct, governments are supposed to be there to administrate the nation and make it better, but at some point that gets forgotten and the government itself becomes the priority that is why you see governments that only care about maintaining themselves in power and politicians that are only thinking about how to enrich themselves and buy people votes so people vote for them again.
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December 08, 2017, 09:34:32 AM
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Government is pro big business. Government is anti privacy. Government is pro extreme rich. Government is anti national. You see the pattern? Government does not work for the benefit of the average Joe,  but for the benefit of the ones who already made their only goal in life how to increase their billions on expense of the average Joe.
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December 08, 2017, 03:22:17 PM
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Not all people are anti-government, sometimes we misunderstand the policies taken by the government against bitcoin, for example the government prohibits the use of bitcoin as a legal means of payment in a country, because the legal currency applicable in a country is set by law. but not prohibit trading on bitcoin.
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December 09, 2017, 10:18:23 AM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

In order to understand this in the proper way, you can do the following mental experiment: replace the government with a random guy. He takes half of your money and spends it to whatever he likes. Some of it is good, but some is very bad. You tell him that he cannot do bad things with your money, but he ignores you and increases the bad to good ratio to wrong direction. What would you do?

Governments are generally not in support of something they cannot control and bitcoin is just one of those things  and  for them to entertain it whereas they have their own centralized currency has become a big problem for them.
Why will you even ever want to give government any tax when you are not even getting anything for it? I have read of so many countries where the government just loot funds, live the kind of lives they want and cannot even provide just some basic amenities for their citizens, yet, these same citizens are still paying taxes into the corrupt leaders pocket. It is high time we started seeing revolution in some of these places. At least, if you cannot do me well, then let me be!
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December 09, 2017, 10:40:30 AM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin

In order to understand this in the proper way, you can do the following mental experiment: replace the government with a random guy. He takes half of your money and spends it to whatever he likes. Some of it is good, but some is very bad. You tell him that he cannot do bad things with your money, but he ignores you and increases the bad to good ratio to wrong direction. What would you do?

Governments are generally not in support of something they cannot control and bitcoin is just one of those things  and  for them to entertain it whereas they have their own centralized currency has become a big problem for them.
Why will you even ever want to give government any tax when you are not even getting anything for it? I have read of so many countries where the government just loot funds, live the kind of lives they want and cannot even provide just some basic amenities for their citizens, yet, these same citizens are still paying taxes into the corrupt leaders pocket. It is high time we started seeing revolution in some of these places. At least, if you cannot do me well, then let me be!
I like the theory rebels. But everything in life is much more complicated. Revolutions happen only when people are United by a common goal. Bitcoin really gave us the opportunity to unite and dictate their terms to state it's still in its infancy. Until we see that the miners dictate the conditions which are contrary to the interests of developers and users.

 
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December 09, 2017, 11:27:15 AM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Here to be anti government is a usual thing because here we are not playing games , not making jokes , not making any illegal work , not scamming anyone , not doing wrong with another with but we are making earnings by using our mind at international level .
We are not begging Money but we are giving money in this field and with opportunity and better time of inevstment we are making money .
As usual everyone knows that how the population of the world is increasing and how the unemployment is also increasing with the population , so it is very tough thing for us to make living , here we are able to make living with the help of bitcoin then why government are against bitcoin , rather they should support bitcoin for such big thing that is giving job ( a type of business ) for all .
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December 09, 2017, 12:38:53 PM
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I have realized that almost every body is anti government when it comes to bitcoin and be decentralized or not being controlled by government.  Grin
Here to be anti government is a usual thing because here we are not playing games , not making jokes , not making any illegal work , not scamming anyone , not doing wrong with another with but we are making earnings by using our mind at international level .
We are not begging Money but we are giving money in this field and with opportunity and better time of inevstment we are making money .
As usual everyone knows that how the population of the world is increasing and how the unemployment is also increasing with the population , so it is very tough thing for us to make living , here we are able to make living with the help of bitcoin then why government are against bitcoin , rather they should support bitcoin for such big thing that is giving job ( a type of business ) for all .

Hey, you raised a valid point here. Bitcoin has really alleviate most people's lives, specially in third world countries. Imagine those people get x4 or even x5 of the basic salary in their country. It's a huge boost to them, their life has somewhat turns upside down before of their involving and earning with bitcoin. But why government's are anti-bitcoin. I speculate that with all the negative news about bitcoin, used by criminals -  this is what made them go against it. We all know that the government mandates is to protect their citizens, so if they consider bitcoin as being used for illegal activities, they will ban it whether it has also a positive things that can bring to their people.

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December 09, 2017, 12:55:52 PM
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the government is not anti to bitcoin, but at least the government is monitoring the development of bitcoin, which is feared by the government if sometime something happens with bitcoin then the responsible is bitcoin users may like that in my opinion.
 
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December 10, 2017, 07:18:11 PM
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the government is not anti to bitcoin, but at least the government is monitoring the development of bitcoin, which is feared by the government if sometime something happens with bitcoin then the responsible is bitcoin users may like that in my opinion.
 

Governments had nothing to do with bitcoin some of the states had banned bitcoin because they are just worried about their economy, it is because that bitcoin is helping people to get rid of bitcoin and is making their money safe without using bank, which in a way decrease the use of banks and hence they average amount of tax is also reduced from the banks side. Bitcoin is autonomous, it is ruled by no one but by the public and I think this is the only feature which make it very unique from other physical and digital currencies.
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December 11, 2017, 03:48:33 AM
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I think it's because of taxes, of course we have to pay taxes, because that's also to make the country more advanced, but bitcoin is different, the government has taxed our pay monthly, why they should take from here too. happy to bitcoin because no one controls it.
I would not mind the taxes so much if at least the money was used to help those that need it, but with the enormous size of corruption in my country most of the money that is destined to help the poor is stolen or it is used to buy the votes of those that are poor, so it is natural that people that pay taxes are not happy and bitcoin is looking like a tool that can be used to starve the government.
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December 11, 2017, 04:09:27 AM
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With the government ruling over Bitcoin, most of its purposes that its users enjoy would be defeated since the government would implement rules, just like how they handle fiat. For example, high taxing would be imposed which could be quite unfair because for me, you deserve to have evey bit of your Bitcoin. In the Philippines, it's so hard to trust the government since corruption is rampant. Having control over Bitcoin will just be a benefit on their part and not on its users or earners.
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December 11, 2017, 05:45:16 AM
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I also think that government is anti bitcoin because they do not want to see competing currencies. They threaten their monopoly to create money and control the financial system and the economy. For example ,China more than any other country wants to have firm control of its banking system, and allocate credit according to a political agenda. This means that a competing currency like the Bitcoin would threaten its political system.
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December 11, 2017, 05:50:29 AM
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My government decide to ban bitcoin because it can be use for criminal. IMO, they must do it in order to protect civilian from bad things such like terorism , money laundry etc
So eventhough my government forbid bitcoin doesn't mean that I have to become anti-G
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