[UPDATE: 2015-05-10] Bitcoin Core soft-fork "No Forced TX Fee" v0.10.1 available

[DannyHamilton]

As far as I know, this forked client doesn't force you to include a fee.  What makes you think that it does?

This:

FYI, this fork does not remove fees completely, it only relaxes the fee requirement algorithm. If it does not allow you to send without fee, probably very high risk of losing the coins exists. You can still send them using RAW transactions API, but i wouldn't go for it if I was you.

But maybe I'm misunderstanding, the wording is a little bit confusing.

I hadn't noticed that.

You're right, it is a bit confusing.  Apparently there are still some conditions where the fee is still required by this wallet.  That's probably a good thing, since all peers would just ignore the transaction anyhow, but I suppose it would be better to call this the "reduced conditions for TX fees" wallet.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

As far as I know, this forked client doesn't force you to include a fee.  What makes you think that it does?

This:

FYI, this fork does not remove fees completely, it only relaxes the fee requirement algorithm. If it does not allow you to send without fee, probably very high risk of losing the coins exists. You can still send them using RAW transactions API, but i wouldn't go for it if I was you.

But maybe I'm misunderstanding, the wording is a little bit confusing.

I hadn't noticed that.

You're right, it is a bit confusing.  Apparently there are still some conditions where the fee is still required by this wallet.  That's probably a good thing, since all peers would just ignore the transaction anyhow, but I suppose it would be better to call this the "reduced conditions for TX fees" wallet.

Actually nowadays fixing a transaction potentially(still, low probability) broken by using my fork is getting easier and easier.

For example, you could probably undo a broken transaction (with not enough fees included) using Bitundo:
http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/234iem/bitundo_allowing_you_to_undo_bitcoin_transactions/

Of course, you can always do it using raw transaction API, but that's complex.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

2014-06-01 Update:

NFTF - versions 0.9.0 & 0.9.1 released.

Fresh tags - nftf-v0.9.0, nftf-v0.9.0 are avaiable for download.
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/tags

MASTER branch was updated to the newest tag (0.9.1).

[forzendiablo]

Great idea. I will test this out, just to see how it works.

[kingscrown]

If BTC reaches really high price lower fees might be crucial when choosing clients.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

If BTC reaches really high price lower fees might be crucial when choosing clients.

If Bitcoin becomes REALLY expensive, the developers will have to lower the fees in the core client anyway (or finally create a dynamic fee calculation/voting algorithm).

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

2014-08-10 Update:

NFTF - versions 0.9.2 & 0.9.2.1 released.

Fresh tags - nftf-v0.9.2, nftf-v0.9.2.1 are avaiable for download.
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/tags

MASTER branch was updated to the newest version (0.9.2.1).

[Meuh6879]

I'm a question : in Windows XP 32 bits SP3 + all available updates ... the v0.9.2.1 crash before 24h of use.
I use bitcoin core only for RPC server and node (-disablewallet).

Can this version have a modification for this (crash) ?
Or only the fees strategy is modified ?

Thanks

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

I'm a question : in Windows XP 32 bits SP3 + all available updates ... the v0.9.2.1 crash before 24h of use.
I use bitcoin core only for RPC server and node (-disablewallet).

Can this version have a modification for this (crash) ?
Or only the fees strategy is modified ?

Thanks

NFTF fork causing crash ? Well, this is highly unlikely. There is no significant change in the code that could cause the crash.

Please compile the standard client (without the patch) and do a test in *EXACTLY THE SAME CONDITIONS* to find out if it is really the fork causing the crash.

[Meuh6879]

no, no ... your product don't crash (i don't have tested).
it's the official 0.9.2.1 that it crash (0.9.1 work rock stable).

that why i ask "if" your product have found somes bug added corrected with the (added of) modification of the fee strategy.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

no, no ... your product don't crash (i don't have tested).
it's the official 0.9.2.1 that it crash (0.9.1 work rock stable).

that why i ask "if" your product have found somes bug added corrected with the (added of) modification of the fee strategy.

Nope, unfortunately NFTF is a very minor patch, only changing one small aspect of client's behavior.

[Dabs]

Hey Mr. Shadow, you can update your sig now. You are no longer a Hero member. (And I'm on my way there too.)

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

Hey Mr. Shadow, you can update your sig now. You are no longer a Hero member. (And I'm on my way there too.)

OMG, I am now a ★LEGENDARY★ member !!

That feels great man !

[Meuh6879]

Nope, unfortunately NFTF is a very minor patch, only changing one small aspect of client's behavior.

  thanks for this specific mention.

[Dabs]

Bump. Some people might be looking for version 0.9.3.

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

Bump. Some people might be looking for version 0.9.3.

Yep, coming (this weekend probably).

[ShadowOfHarbringer]

2014-10-05 Update:

NFTF - version 0.9.3 released.

Fresh tag - nftf-v0.9.3 is avaiable for download.
https://github.com/ShadowOfHarbringer/bitcoin-nftf/tags

MASTER branch was updated to the newest version (0.9.3).

[Squeaker]

Is work still being done on this fork?

=squeak=

[Newar]

Is work still being done on this fork?

=squeak=

The latest official v10.0.0 makes 0 fee txs easy. I think this was the only difference on this fork?

[Squeaker]

Yeah, but it doesn't let me set "paytxfee" to 1 satoshi anymore... ended up downgrading back to 0.9.3 official.

=squeak=