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Here's the entire unedited conversation for transparency's sake.



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[18:51] <jwest411_> hi
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[18:51] <Kruniac> Sup.
[18:51] <BCB> so what is going on
[18:51] <BCB> thee are rumers you are scamming asicminor shares
[18:51] <Kruniac> I'm aware. There's a thread about it.
[18:51] <BCB> you showed up on a scammer list
[18:51] <BCB> what's up
[18:51] <Kruniac> What list?
[18:52] <BCB> tomatocage's list
[18:52] <Kruniac> I only know of a thread someone made.
[18:52] <Kruniac> I don't know what that is.
[18:53] <Kruniac> Asking me what's going on (or anyone asking me what's going on) is moot. Friedcat is the only guy who can clear this up.
[18:53] <jwest411_> so friedcat said to me i got my share, but then told other ppl the share was gone
[18:53] <Kruniac> In fact, I'm still missing escrow money because he hasn't communicated transfers.
[18:53] <Kruniac> Okay, and that's impossible.
[18:54] <Kruniac> Provide a screenshot of the message from Friedcat, please.
[18:54] <jwest411_>  If you have time, id love to know that he controls this share. if you're too busy, just knowing he sent you the following message will suffice.     Kruniac Jr. Member   Online  Posts: 33       Trust: 0: -0 / +0(0) Copy of PM to: Friedcat « Sent to: jwest411 on: June 07, 2013, 01:10:09 AM » Quote  Reply  Delete   -------------- My username is Kruniac (As you can see), controlling Bitcoin address: 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz I received one (1) share of ASICMin
[18:54] <BCB> is friedcat on irc
[18:54] <Kruniac> No.
[18:54] <Kruniac> No to BC.
[18:54] <Kruniac> BCB*
[18:54] <Kruniac> And no to that copy pasta.
[18:55] <Kruniac> I can do that and say I'm Obama.
[18:55] <Kruniac> SCREENSHOT the message.
[18:55] <jwest411_> how do i send a screenshot here
[18:56] <Kruniac> Use Imgurl or something
[18:56] <BCB> imgur.com
[18:56] <Kruniac> There you go.
[18:56] <jwest411_> http://imgur.com/VIUuAgO
[18:57] <Kruniac> That's a screenshot of a message from me.
[18:57] <Kruniac> Where is the message from Friedcat.
[18:57] <jwest411_> k i scroll down and take another
[18:57] <Kruniac> All I want to see is Friedcat's message.
[18:57] <BCB> Kruniac, you also using NICK: Boelens
[18:57] <BCB> ??
[18:57] <Kruniac> No.
[18:58] <Kruniac> I don't know that Nick.
[18:58] <Kruniac> IRC?
[18:58] <BCB> no
[18:58] <BCB> BCT
[18:58] <Kruniac> Okay.
[18:58] <jwest411_> http://imgur.com/6osnHio
[18:59] <Kruniac> Jwest. Come on, man.
[18:59] <Kruniac> Stop messing around.
[18:59] <jwest411_> Huh
[18:59] <Kruniac> Did you notice that I CANNOT SEE THE USERNAME in that picture?
[19:00] <jwest411_> jesus christ
[19:00] <jwest411_> its the same message
[19:00] <jwest411_> OKAY ill shrink it and resend
[19:00] <Kruniac> No. It's fine.
[19:00] <Kruniac> You're right. Absolutely right.
[19:00] <Kruniac> Friedcat did send it, I guess.
[19:01] <Kruniac> That honestly doesn't add up.
[19:01] <BCB> so what is the situation
[19:01] <jwest411_> so friedcat sent a share to me
[19:01] <jwest411_> other ppl said to kruniac hey wheres my share?
[19:01] <Kruniac> The situation is that Friedcat sent a share to JWest. He should not have sent that share.
[19:01] <jwest411_> no
[19:02] <jwest411_> i bought a share from you
[19:02] <jwest411_> friedcat sent that share to me
[19:02] <Kruniac> You're not seeing the bigger picture.
[19:02] <Kruniac> Why did he send you that share?
[19:02] <jwest411_> because you PMed him to!
[19:02] <Kruniac> No, I didn't.
[19:02] <Kruniac> See. That's the rub.
[19:02] <jwest411_> look at the message you sent
[19:02] <jwest411_> in the screenshot
[19:02] <jwest411_> you do all the info
[19:02] <jwest411_> then other ppl are saying hey you promised me a share too
[19:03] <Kruniac> I have exactly two messages I've ever sent to Friedcat.
[19:03] <Kruniac> One was a transfer to methax.
[19:03] <Kruniac> The other was to ask about that transfer.
[19:03] <jwest411_> so then you lied and told me you sent that to friedcat?
[19:03] <jwest411_> bc in the quote in that screenshot is a quote of a message you sent me
[19:03] <jwest411_> signed with your key and stuff
[19:03] <Kruniac> Let's say that I did. I want to know exactly HOW you got that share.
[19:03] <Kruniac> Because it can't be that easy to fake a request.
[19:03] <Kruniac> The message I sent to YOU doesn't matter.
[19:04] <jwest411_> so are you saying you didnt sell me a share?
[19:04] <Kruniac> I'm really wondering why Friedcat transferred a share to someone that I did not message him about.
[19:04] <jwest411_> kruniac are you saying you didnt sell me a share?
[19:04] <Kruniac> No, I sold you a share. There's no doubt about that.
[19:05] <jwest411_> so whats the problem?
[19:05] <Kruniac> I did not message Friedcat transferring your share.
[19:05] <Kruniac> You must have taken it upon yourself.
[19:06] <Kruniac> That's the problem.
[19:06] <jwest411_> you provided me the info for friedcat to xfer the share. HOWEVER the issue at hand is other ppl say that you provided to sell them shares as well, and you only owned the share you sold to me
[19:06] <Kruniac> No. The ISSUE is that a share got "legitimately" transferred to you when I didn't transfer it to you.
[19:06] <Kruniac> That's the ISSUE.
[19:07] <BCB> Kruniac, how many Shares do you own
[19:07] <Kruniac> Zero.
[19:07] <Kruniac> I own zero shares.
[19:07] <BCB> Kruniac, how many did you sell
[19:07] <Kruniac> I don't even know. Legitimately or illegitimately?
[19:07] <BCB> so you did sell shares you did not own??
[19:08] <Kruniac> Yeah, sure. We've all figured that out by now.
[19:08] <Kruniac> My problem is that Jwest used some assurance or promise and somehow gained control of a share.
[19:08] <Kruniac> I sold one share to Methax.
[19:08] <Kruniac> That's legitimate.
[19:08] <BCB> so how many share did you sell that you did not own
[19:08] <Kruniac> Just an obscene amount. About 50 BTC worth
[19:08] <Kruniac> Again, we're not addressing this Jwest situation
[19:09] <Kruniac> Jwest411 - you can imagine my surprise by your "ownership" since I never send a message to Friedcat.
[19:09] <Kruniac> I mean, you can understand how I'm amazed by it.
[19:10] <BCB> Kruniac, so who do you still owe shares to??
[19:10] <Kruniac> God only knows. That's not what I'm talking about.
[19:10] <Kruniac> I want to know how he got that damn share.
[19:10] <BCB> jwest411_, how did you get that share
[19:10] <Kruniac> So what is this, are you scamming a scammer? That makes it okay?
[19:11] <BCB> jwest411_, did you buy it from Kruniac
[19:11] <Kruniac> Because you're not scamming me. You're scamming methax.
[19:11] <jwest411_> ya i agreed to
[19:11] <jwest411_> and paid him
[19:11] <Kruniac> He did do that.
[19:11] <jwest411_> and he sent me that message he sent friedcat
[19:11] <Kruniac> I'm not disputing that.
[19:11] <jwest411_> which he apparently never sent to friedcat
[19:11] <Kruniac> That's my exact point.
[19:11] <BCB> jwest411_, does Kruniac still owe you a share
[19:11] <Kruniac> I never sent friedcat shit.
[19:11] <Kruniac> So HOW did you get that share?
[19:11] <jwest411_> no i dont believe so
[19:11] <jwest411_> i beleive i was the lucky one who got the share
[19:12] <jwest411_> based on friedcats response to me
[19:12] <Kruniac> And that's bullshit.
[19:12] <Kruniac> Because Methax is supposed to have it.
[19:12] <jwest411_> its bullshit you didnt scam me?
[19:12] <Kruniac> I traded with Methax FIRST. I sent his request FIRST.
[19:12] <Kruniac> June 05, 2013, 06:32:15 AM
[19:12] <BCB> is methax on irc
[19:12] <jwest411_> so you scammed 50 btc
[19:12] <Kruniac> Not at all. He's a forum guy.
[19:12] <jwest411_> and youre pissed the wrong person got the 1 share?
[19:12] <Kruniac> This isn't about me scamming. We all have it clear about that.
[19:13] <Kruniac> This is about you faking a transfer and/or Friedcat believing it.
[19:13] <jwest411_> i dont get it
[19:13] <Kruniac> I NEVER sent you a message.
[19:13] <Kruniac> Er.
[19:13] <Kruniac> Friedcat*
[19:13] <jwest411_> why do you want methax to get it and not me btw? why do you care?
[19:13] <Kruniac> Here. You want to bring legit BCB into it?
[19:13] <Kruniac> Here is my official statement.
[19:14] <Kruniac> I sold one (1) share of ASICMiner (direct) that I bought to user: methax
[19:14] <jwest411_> why do you want methix to get it and not me?
[19:14] <Kruniac> I sent a transfer request as noted here: https://i.imgur.com/lQ74OhC.png
[19:14] <Kruniac> Are you not paying attention.
[19:14] <Kruniac> METHAX OWNS THE SHARE.
[19:15] <Kruniac> That is a legitimate transfer PM sent to Methax.
[19:15] <Kruniac> BCB, you witness this.
[19:15] <jwest411_> can you answer my Q though?
[19:15] <Kruniac> You really wanna know? >Smiley
[19:15] <Kruniac> I mean... REALLY?
[19:15] <BCB> I'm trying to follow but you don't sound like you are being honest
[19:15] <Kruniac> BCB, that's the thing. I'm being honest. This isn't a run around.
[19:16] <Kruniac> I scammed shitloads of people for 2.4 BTC each, round abouts.
[19:16] <Kruniac> That is honest.
[19:16] <Kruniac> I did NOT transfer the share to jwest.
[19:16] <Kruniac> Honest.
[19:16] <Kruniac> I DID transfer the share (as seen by screenshot) to methax. Honest.
[19:16] <Kruniac> Jwest - to answer your question...
[19:16] <Kruniac> Methax owes me money in escrow for the share.
[19:17] <Kruniac> I HAD to legitimately transfer the share.
[19:17] <Kruniac> Otherwise, I don't receive my funds.
[19:17] <jwest411_> ahhhhhh so you get more $ if methax gets his share
[19:17] <Kruniac> I've LITERALLY been waiting days for Friedcat to send the confirmation. He has not.
[19:17] <Kruniac> Even now he has not.
[19:17] <Kruniac> That's how I know that you're sketchy about this.
[19:17] <Kruniac> I sent two PMs to Friedcat. One transferring the share to Methax https://i.imgur.com/lQ74OhC.png
[19:18] <Kruniac> Another asking for confirmation.
[19:18] <Kruniac> Both were never answered.
[19:18] <Kruniac> I think that's about all I can say.
[19:18] <Kruniac> When you PMed me saying that you "owned" the share and you'll help clear my name, I knew you were lying.
[19:18] <Kruniac> And if you're telling the truth, then Friedcat screwed up.
[19:18] <Kruniac> Because I never transferred that share to you.
[19:18] <Kruniac> ;;monologue
[19:18] <Kruniac> XD
[19:19] <Kruniac> Now. I'm going to get some McDonalds, and maybe hit the mall. BCB, I'm sorry I lied to you in the PM I sent you. You're a legit guy, and you're a good businessman.
[19:19] <Kruniac> AFK. Msg me if you want anything
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June 08, 2013, 11:45:06 PM
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if youre a victim, please post here
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June 08, 2013, 11:50:44 PM
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Seems I'm another victim unfortunately. Do you want me to provide the PM conversation?
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Seems I'm another victim unfortunately. Do you want me to provide the PM conversation?

Pls post the details.

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June 08, 2013, 11:57:32 PM
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Seems I'm another victim unfortunately. Do you want me to provide the PM conversation?

Pls post the details.


How do you want me to present it?
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Seems I'm another victim unfortunately. Do you want me to provide the PM conversation?

Pls post the details.


How do you want me to present it?

chat logs

PM's

payments

any and all details proving he offered shares and that you paid for it.
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June 09, 2013, 12:03:58 AM
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this is the address Kruniac used to receive payments:

https://blockchain.info/address/14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
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June 09, 2013, 12:12:47 AM
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His PMs: https://i.imgur.com/32opgz4.png?1

My replies: https://i.imgur.com/0hvIoBQ.png?1

Let me know if there is any other information I can provide.

I guess the lesson from this is to be sure to use Escrow if you have any doubts at all!
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June 09, 2013, 12:21:16 AM
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It seems he just send friedcat his share transfer multiple times and looking from your chat it seemed like he hoped the shares were sent to me since I used escrow and he wouldn't get his 2.45BTC from me If he didn't actually transfer it. But based on his multiple sent requests freidcat had transfer to someone else instead of me. So someone who bought from him wihtout escrow got the shares and I didn't, so no money from escrow from him. and someone ended up not getting scammed.
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June 09, 2013, 03:39:30 AM
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I was scammed as well....

Original message:
Would you be interested in buying an ASICMiner share? I found you in an auction thread for ASICMiner shares, and figured you were in the market. Smiley

I'll resell at 2.4 BTC. I can do more with the BTC than I can with the share TBH.

Proof of ownership is at this auction: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=223560.msg2364193#msg2364193


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This message is from address: 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz
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Signature: HxZHgnBWombwu+Mpy29gFPpZAaeoXNT00OIpk3XtZEKquT8vaL4TTEz7tG36/SL1GCy/PaSHdZ6toB4A0v5R9P8=

After I paid him, here is the confirmation (or so he says) that he requested the transfer from friedcat:
Sorry about the wait.

I just received the payment, and I've sent a PM to Friedcat authorizing the transfer of the share with the following information:

User: dhenson
Address: 18fPWLnW22EobTwSUU5kQySfYu4eT4zT59

Great doing business with you. Don't forget to Trust after you receive confirmation. Smiley

Of course, I didn't receive a share.
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June 09, 2013, 03:47:17 AM
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I did some Google searching on "KRUNIAC" and it seems that the handle is really only used by one guy:
  Garrott Gardner
  Birth Date 06/13/1984
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  805 W WASHINGTON ST UNIT 3
  HAGERSTOWN, MD 21740

I of course can't prove that this tool is really the Kruniac from this forum:


On this post:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=216300.msg2300001#msg2300001

Kruniac offers to purchase 2.7 btc from JoeChmoe the day before Kruniac ends up buying his 1 Asicminer share. (via BoA Transfer)

Via PM, JoeChmoe denies selling him the btc.  However, if JoeChmoe really did have history of the BoA transfer, we could know definitively the real identity of Kruniac and could transfer the matter to the authorities.

In the above chatlog, Kruniac connected via a Comcast IP address: https://ipdb.at/ip/68.55.37.228 Which is also based in Maryland.
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thats 100% a pic of him i skyped with him

EDIT 99% I got this pic of him

http://imgur.com/4cJQkOa
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June 09, 2013, 03:55:20 AM
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JWest,

What timezone is that chat log from.  In order for the cops to subpoena his ISP to verify he was logged in on that IP address at that time I'll need to know that information.

Thanks.
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June 09, 2013, 04:05:37 AM
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eastern time
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June 09, 2013, 04:08:27 AM
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I am pretty sure I was the first person to buy his share.
https://blockchain.info/tx/43a991e1073d5f81bac777ab11fb9085fe7138a031c8f7b0cd5dd748f1ad7e79

He took 1.8 for it.  You'll notice that that transaction comes right after the ASICMiner dividend tx:
https://blockchain.info/tx/4b194ffb4c9f0b80c4e4752ef87855e17c209542eb95c1381dafd2cd860b12f5

He signed multiple message stating intent to sell, followed by a request to transfer using that dividend address 14cBNrTYW9XCnYhJqJ9ooAMzz7zAnojWaz

Receiving the signing requests with that address gave me confidence it was legit.
I forwarded the signed transfer requests to friedcat... as soon as I got them.

Later that day I found him discussing selling to another person on OTC...

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I am a victim as well. Sad
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As far as verifying the dox above...
He sent me a picture of a MoneyPak receipt purchased in MD (that afternoon upon my request). 
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This was about a week before on 5/31/13.
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It seems he just send friedcat his share transfer multiple times and looking from your chat it seemed like he hoped the shares were sent to me since I used escrow and he wouldn't get his 2.45BTC from me If he didn't actually transfer it. But based on his multiple sent requests freidcat had transfer to someone else instead of me. So someone who bought from him wihtout escrow got the shares and I didn't, so no money from escrow from him. and someone ended up not getting scammed.

I sent the funds back to you after determining that this chap's not transferring any shares to you.
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It seems he just send friedcat his share transfer multiple times and looking from your chat it seemed like he hoped the shares were sent to me since I used escrow and he wouldn't get his 2.45BTC from me If he didn't actually transfer it. But based on his multiple sent requests freidcat had transfer to someone else instead of me. So someone who bought from him wihtout escrow got the shares and I didn't, so no money from escrow from him. and someone ended up not getting scammed.

I sent the funds back to you after determining that this chap's not transferring any shares to you.

No, I ACTUALLY DID transfer the share via Friedcat. In fact, he was the only person I transferred shares to. Why?

He used escrow Smiley

You can check the PM records (if you can do that, John). I sent two PMs to Friedcat.

One was me transferring the share to Methax.

The other was me trying to confirm the share to Friedcat.

Regardless of what happened with any other transactions, it sounds like Friedcat made a transfer based on someone else's message (jwest?). I transferred ownership of that share on June 05, 2013, at 08:16:26 AM.


No other PMs were sent to Friedcat involving a transfer.

Methax is the only person authorized by me to own that share. Period. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

At this point, I'm not even interested in the escrow. It's the principle Tongue

Methax was the only person to demand escrow. I accepted. I legitimately transferred ownership of the share BECAUSE he demanded escrow.

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It seems he just send friedcat his share transfer multiple times and looking from your chat it seemed like he hoped the shares were sent to me since I used escrow and he wouldn't get his 2.45BTC from me If he didn't actually transfer it. But based on his multiple sent requests freidcat had transfer to someone else instead of me. So someone who bought from him wihtout escrow got the shares and I didn't, so no money from escrow from him. and someone ended up not getting scammed.

I sent the funds back to you after determining that this chap's not transferring any shares to you.

No, I ACTUALLY DID transfer the share via Friedcat. In fact, he was the only person I transferred shares to. Why?

He used escrow Smiley

You can check the PM records (if you can do that, John). I sent two PMs to Friedcat.

One was me transferring the share to Methax.

The other was me trying to confirm the share to Friedcat.

Regardless of what happened with any other transactions, it sounds like Friedcat made a transfer based on someone else's message (jwest?). I transferred ownership of that share on June 05, 2013, at 08:16:26 AM.


No other PMs were sent to Friedcat involving a transfer.

Methax is the only person authorized by me to own that share. Period. I don't know how much more clear I can be.

At this point, I'm not even interested in the escrow. It's the principle Tongue

Methax was the only person to demand escrow. I accepted. I legitimately transferred ownership of the share BECAUSE he demanded escrow.

I'm not the admin here. Anyway, I think I have sufficient proof that the share isn't transferred to him, and that you're trying to sell the poor share multiple times, so the funds is refunded to the buyer.
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