Anarchy =~ Communism

[joepie91]

I want to, but can't believe in communism or anarchism, because there is no ONE practical evidence they can work, at least in the actual humanity (for tranhumans, maybe).

Even the "primitive" comunities have a basic form government... Even in classrooms students creates their own social structure and "game rules", accepted or not by the most of them.

Sorry. Anarchism and socialism (i mean REAL socialism, not the shit "socialist" governments of China, Korea and Russia) are just illusions that can inspire us, but are not real or sustentable. They are asintotes.

So wait, you are basically saying that because noone has tried to get it to work and/or proven that it works, it's not going to work and thus pointless to try?

Why would you discount an idea based on that?

[lemonginger]

that's not really true and greatly depends on how you define government.

Try reading David Graeber's Fragments of An Anarchist Anthropology if you are interested.

[fommes86]

In my mind, there is no difference between Anarchy and Communism, both are based on lawlessness, mutual benefit and a non-existent human hierarchy.

You are completely wrong  Communism was (and is, look at Venezuela) in all its real world examples a hierarchic system!!

[bluefirecorp_]

Anarchy and communism can coexist the same way anarchy and capitalism can coexist.

Anarcho-commuism exists, but it's way too extreme.

Honestly, I like anarcho-socialism. It's like we all work together to create the best product, but we're all trying to make the absolute best because it's still anarchy in industry.

[coins4commies]

Anarcho communism is the only communism.   Communism requires a stateless society.  You can not have a stateless, authoritarian society as the top left of the spectrum suggests.

They labeled communism there because that is what every "communist" government that has controlled a major nation has done.  Venezuela is not communist and neither was the USSR or Mao.   Saying those governments were communist is like saying catholics are rapists.

[TECSHARE]

I find people who call themselves Anarchists are usually just Socialists and they simply can't define either one. Communist dictators are well known to have supported Anarchism as a method of tearing down the existing system to make way for Communism. The two are inexorably linked.

[fommes86]

I find people who call themselves Anarchists are usually just Socialists and they simply can't define either one. Communist dictators are well known to have supported Anarchism as a method of tearing down the existing system to make way for Communism. The two are inexorably linked.

It is funny when people label themselves but don't really get what it means what they are subscribing to.

Ok, Anarchism or simply put chaos as a way to establish Communism as a solution, that has happened.

But in my opinion Anarcho Communism is not practically possible. It's in the nature of people to want to own things. And how then if there is no rule of law can there be no private ownership, which Communism is by definition.

[TECSHARE]

I find people who call themselves Anarchists are usually just Socialists and they simply can't define either one. Communist dictators are well known to have supported Anarchism as a method of tearing down the existing system to make way for Communism. The two are inexorably linked.

It is funny when people label themselves but don't really get what it means what they are subscribing to.

Ok, Anarchism or simply put chaos as a way to establish Communism as a solution, that has happened.

But in my opinion Anarcho Communism is not practically possible. It's in the nature of people to want to own things. And how then if there is no rule of law can there be no private ownership, which Communism is by definition.

Well put. I don't claim small communities of Anarchists or even Communists can't exist sustainably given the right circumstances. However Anarchism and Communism both leave themselves vulnerable to a power vacuum. As opposed to a leader leading in public accountable to them, they rule in secret accountable to no one, inevitably resulting in authoritarianism.

[BADecker]

When you get down to the basics of it...

Communism is a form of socialism. The individual family unit is a form of socialism.

Anarchy is a family unit governing itself. Socialism is a group of family units working together voluntarily.

Sometimes voluntary family units get controllers who are more dictatorial than simply working together. That's the start of Communism.

[fommes86]

Anarchy is a family unit governing itself.

I don't agree. Anarchy is when in a family unit everyone does whatever he/she dares. 

[BADecker]

Anarchy is a family unit governing itself.

I don't agree. Anarchy is when in a family unit everyone does whatever he/she dares.  

No anarchy there, except when the hand tries to strangle the body that it is attached to.

There is daring in every form of government, just to make governmental control over others exist.

[fommes86]

Anarchy is a family unit governing itself.

I don't agree. Anarchy is when in a family unit everyone does whatever he/she dares.  

No anarchy there, except when the hand tries to strangle the body that it is attached to.

There is daring in every form of government, just to make governmental control over others exist.

You are right about the daring.

But regarding the family unit I did not explain myself well. I will try to make my point again: usually a family has strict rules and therefore a family uses a form of governance that is different to Anarchy. A family that is anti authoritarian could qualify as Anarchy. Marriage and schooling by definition can not qualify as Anarchy.

This argument is fun, keep on