PRISM - Who else is disgusted by this?

[Pokerfan]

PRISM is funded through debt and inflation. This is why bitcoin is so important. The world needs bitcoin yesterday!!!

[Spendulus]

I see your points but do not believe they are inconsistent or contradict what I noted.   There has of course never been any organized group dedicated to meeting out death to providers of abortion clinics.  A comparison cannot be made between isolated cases of abortion clinic bombings, and radical Muslim bombings.

First, the current American propaganda is quite diffuse and confused.  It does not and has never indicated the Qutb spinoffs as problematic as I have done.   Even strict Wahhibi Muslims will agree with what I have said, because the Qutb teaches violence and death to Westerners.  They are your enemies by their own proclamation, whatever your opinion may be.

If some sect believes not in Islam but in Islam plus a group of 30 extensions which preach killing, this should be acknowledged for what it is.  

Clearly this is not the same subject as rationale private or public for Iraq 1/Iraq 2 etc.

My comments were and are directed more at the issue of "why did Muslim bombings/hijacking/killing of Westerners begin 30-40 years ago and why has it continued to the present day virtually unchanged."  At the same time, the risk of you or I being the victim of such terrorism is ridiculously small.

The purpose of terrorist actions is not to target you or I, but to target the world wide media system for maximum exposure by way of random brutality.

There really is no organized network of terrorism with religious group at the apex for the simple reason that 'terrorism' in the form of civilian murder is not very appealing to Muslims, Christians, or any other group of normal people.  There may be some lone wolf types and small splinter groups, but they are very rare.  This is most unfortunate for the leadership of the United States who are well served by 'terror' within our own civilian populations, and I believe that this is the basis for trying to cultivate more of them through fairly gratuitous assaults against Muslim populations world-wide......

Read exactly what I said again and do not rephrase it, mis frame or mis interpret it.

Terrorism in the form of civilian murder is quite popular with the people of whom I addressed such attributes to.  There's no reason to shrug this off, and no reason EITHER to ignore it or exaggerate it.

The bolded part above is an obvious rephrasing and misrepresentation of the issues I stated.  They might have some general relevance, but not in this context.  Similarly, whether "terror" serves the interests of US government agencies is not relevant.

[Mike Christ]

PRISM is funded through debt and inflation.

I believe this is reason #1 as to why a nation which doesn't produce any money whatsoever should not be eating itself alive into any more debt.  However, I also think it's much too late to ever come out of this trap, and Bitcoin won't save us in the short term; once the camel's back finally breaks, there will be hell.  So I suppose the reasoning is, knowing they'll never pull out, they may as well spend all the cash they possibly can before the jig is up.

[cWq34#9tH-3]

PRISM is funded through debt and inflation.

I believe this is reason #1 as to why a nation which doesn't produce any money whatsoever should not be eating itself alive into any more debt.  However, I also think it's much too late to ever come out of this trap, and Bitcoin won't save us in the short term; once the camel's back finally breaks, there will be hell.  So I suppose the reasoning is, knowing they'll never pull out, they may as well spend all the cash they possibly can before the jig is up.

I believe you are dead-on: eventually...and it could be soon or it could be a decade from now, but the shit will hit the fan - for as the saying goes - "the writing is on the wall".

As for all this "T" nonsense. The only T that we get "here" is the T that is allowed or encouraged to happen. And then it is blown completely out of proportion (and that's not done by accident) Speaking of "accidents"...far more people die from accidents - so the T really should be a non-local-issue: especially as compared to the many other bizarre and scary things going on (locally) that we know about.

[Mike Christ]

As for all this "T" nonsense. The only T that we get "here" is the T that is allowed or encouraged to happen. And then it is blown completely out of proportion (and that's not done by accident) Speaking of "accidents"...far more people die from accidents - so the T really should be a non-local-issue: especially as compared to the many other bizarre and scary things going on (locally) that we know about.

That's a good point, and to be perfectly honest, I'm a lot more afraid of being hit by a stupid driver (not even a drunken one, just a really bad one) than I am of the likelihood of being held a gunpoint, not by the "T", but by one of my fellow citizens trying to jack my car.

[juca]

I tried to search more on this and my browser crashed. Im scared.

this sounds like black magic to me ^^

[aigeezer]

Anyone following the Lavabit shutdown story? The site owner gives the impression (but does not say directly) that it is related to PRISM or something analogous - "I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit."

Detailed statement at the site: http://lavabit.com/

Normally I would Google "lavabit" to see what the fuss is about, but this time I chickened out (and I'm not even American). It's working!

[cWq34#9tH-3]

Anyone following the Lavabit shutdown story? The site owner gives the impression (but does not say directly) that it is related to PRISM or something analogous - "I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit."

Detailed statement at the site: http://lavabit.com/

Normally I would Google "lavabit" to see what the fuss is about, but this time I chickened out (and I'm not even American). It's working!

Oh, wow. that's nuts! Shutting down and the man cannot tell us why. Whew. I can't even think about this any more. It's gone off the rails/it's too much. Well... "they' will get no grief from me. I'm beaten down and All I want is to find an isolated cave or lonely island and to spend my last years on this planet in peace. Anyone know of a place? PM me. LOL!

[juca]

Anyone following the Lavabit shutdown story? The site owner gives the impression (but does not say directly) that it is related to PRISM or something analogous - "I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit."

Detailed statement at the site: http://lavabit.com/

Normally I would Google "lavabit" to see what the fuss is about, but this time I chickened out (and I'm not even American). It's working!

it cannot be!!!! i had several accounts there!!! oh my fucking jesus holy fucked motherfuckkers!!!!

[tvbcof]

Anyone following the Lavabit shutdown story? The site owner gives the impression (but does not say directly) that it is related to PRISM or something analogous - "I have been forced to make a difficult decision: to become complicit in crimes against the American people or walk away from nearly ten years of hard work by shutting down Lavabit."

Detailed statement at the site: http://lavabit.com/

Normally I would Google "lavabit" to see what the fuss is about, but this time I chickened out (and I'm not even American). It's working!

I've been following it and am not at all surprised.  It's what I've been harping on for some time...if the US doesn't like something on the Internet, the pressure which can be brought to bare against it is greater than most people imagine.  Especially young  males.  It is why I feel that Bitcoin should be actively forming a hardened shell.  The strategy of getting the the US government to 'like' Bitcoin as a means of protection is probably a losing strategy in the end.

Bitcoin cannot be killed, but it can be forced into a role where it is used only by highly technical individuals...and very brave ones at that.

[herzmeister]

i already made a thread about lavabit because i'm a victim  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270258.0

[Nik1ab]

i already made a thread about lavabit because i'm a victim  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270258.0

I'm sorry to hear that.

[Spendulus]

i already made a thread about lavabit because i'm a victim  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270258.0

You might write the website owner and ask him if you can get a dump of your files.

No harm in asking.  It was your stuff.

I guess.

[aigeezer]

i already made a thread about lavabit because i'm a victim  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270258.0

Sorry to hear you were affected directly.

I just looked at your thread and posted a link there that says Silent Circle is reportedly down now also.

Dark times for humanity.

[ccl]

i already made a thread about lavabit because i'm a victim  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270258.0

You might write the website owner and ask him if you can get a dump of your files.

No harm in asking.  It was your stuff.

I guess.

https://lavabit.com/contact.html‎ -- 404 not found...not sure how we can contact them... anyone here knows how to get it touch with them?  There's a AMA request on Reddit for Ladar Levison am  looking forward to that...

[Spendulus]

i already made a thread about lavabit because i'm a victim  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=270258.0

You might write the website owner and ask him if you can get a dump of your files.

No harm in asking.  It was your stuff.

I guess.

https://lavabit.com/contact.html‎ -- 404 not found...not sure how we can contact them... anyone here knows how to get it touch with them?  There's a AMA request on Reddit for Ladar Levison am  looking forward to that...

Yeah, try the domain record.  Unless it's cloaked there should be a contact listed.  Actually and rather curiously, I suspect you have a legal cause of action against them for this behavior of theirs and the harm it caused you.  That their actions in resisting the jack booted storm troopers of the Evil Empire are understandable does not change this.

Also, note that the past records of the website, which would include contact info, are available on the 'wayback machine' through archive.org.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://www.lavabit.com

Looking at this, i find "lavabit llc" is the company, so they would have a record in the state of origin.  Looking at the terms of use, here is some wording:

Lavabit does not actively monitor, censor or restrict its users. Lavabit does not claim any responsibility for the actions of its users. However, if presented with evidence that a particular user has violated this Abuse Policy, we will take appropriate action, including but not limited to:

    Locking the user’s account.
    Referring the submitter of the evidence to the FBI’s Internet Crime Complaint Center.
    Surrendering any applicable records to authorities if presented with a properly formed court order.


Therefore I would assume that whatever the authorities wanted from Lavabit did not involve a "Properly formed court order", in the opinion of the site owner.

Also interesting, Lavabit said they had 350,000 users.  All vanished just like that?  All their records and emails?  That's a house to house search of a pretty fair sized city.  Why is it I don't expect any mention of this in the mainstream media?

Okay, so here is one more factoid.  Here is the "Lavabit defense fund page."

And you know what?  I'd like to contribute.  With bitcoins.  Not with Paypal.  Because I know THEY are watching....

[cryptasm]

More revelations from No Secrecy Allowed

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/nsa-loophole-warrantless-searches-email-calls

Silent Circle is also closing its mail service, time to start encrypting everything.

[bernard75]

Tor and TorMail infiltrated too:
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/08/freedom-hosting/
Until now they made changes slowly so people dont notice, but now it seems they have thrown all caution overboard.

[xkeyscore89]

There are plenty other classified programs within the NSA that'll make you lose your lunch, this is small potatoes.

[juca]

More revelations from No Secrecy Allowed

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/09/nsa-loophole-warrantless-searches-email-calls

Silent Circle is also closing its mail service, time to start encrypting everything.

what about encrypting a SMS?
edit:
oops 
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.thoughtcrime.securesms&hl=en