BitCoins for Edward Snowden.

[Jaxkr]

If he is in hiding (not stashed in some hotel in Hong Kong), sending him bitcoin will potentially out him.

what are you talking about? 

if he posts an address and ppl send him coins, so what?  since when is that illegal?  and since when would that reveal an ip address?

any spending out of his address would be unknown as to its purposes or usage since you wouldn't know the identity of anyone associated with those receiving addresses.  he could buy alpaca socks for all you know.

Because the actual posting of the address could reveal his IP.

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[jackjack]

If he is in hiding (not stashed in some hotel in Hong Kong), sending him bitcoin will potentially out him.

what are you talking about? 

if he posts an address and ppl send him coins, so what?  since when is that illegal?  and since when would that reveal an ip address?

any spending out of his address would be unknown as to its purposes or usage since you wouldn't know the identity of anyone associated with those receiving addresses.  he could buy alpaca socks for all you know.

Because the actual posting of the address could reveal his IP.

Yeah I'm sure an ex CIA agent doesn't know how to hide his ass

[NewLiberty]

this is supposed to be a democracy.

Is that supposed to be a good thing somehow?

Yes.  Just because people have misused and abused a word..

 (note: representative democracy is neither)

doesn't mean that the thousands of years old concept is unworthy.  
The concept has even proven its ability to solve the Byzantine General's problem.  In fact it may be only now coming of age and actually could be implemented.  

Am I alone in thinking that raising the Byzantine General problem in this context is ironically hilarious?
( who are the traitor(s) )

[ErisDiscordia]

this is supposed to be a democracy.

Is that supposed to be a good thing somehow?

Yes.  Just because people have misused and abused a word..

 (note: representative democracy is neither)

doesn't mean that the thousands of years old concept is unworthy. 
The concept has even proven its ability to solve the Byzantine General's problem.  In fact it may be only now coming of age and actually could be implemented. 

You seem to be talking about the true concept of Democracy...I wonder what that is.

[meanig]

These guys have raised $23,000 for his future defense fund

https://secure.actblue.com/contribute/page/snowden?refcode=SnowdenDefenseFund.com

Their Paypal account will be frozen in 3...2....1 

[Perseus353]

All this is such BS -- Snowden in a non-martyr for a pseudo-cause.

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

[NewLiberty]

specifically when he signed to agree to keep secret info secret. A real "hero" would do the release and then turn himself in recognizing that he too broke the rules.

You do realize they'll just torture him for weeks before they kill him? Why would anyone turn themselves in? would you?

LOL right! with all this publicity I am sure they could get away with that! Sorry but back in the real world that just doesn't hold water. With him halving worked for the CIA earlier in his career he would also know that. I myself am ex military and had high level clearance. There are many other ways to have done this. If for some reason he couldn't figure any of those out (would have to be a complete idiot.) and he felt it was really worth it for the good of the country (the people not the corrupt government leaders) He would have both done the release and then took the hit himself. That would be a person I could consider worth respecting.

Also please don't confuse my lack of respect for him as a person as agreement with the systems he exposed.

Of course you would have made a wiser choice.

Mr Snowden seems more bold than wise.  Many could have been wiser.

[matt4054]

All this is such BS -- Snowden in a non-martyr for a pseudo-cause.

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

Is that what they learn in US class rooms? Did you ever consider being biased by PoV? You know there are always two versions for the same story... and that it varies according to who wrote the class book (historians from where, when, do they have an agenda etc.).

My tip to better understand the world: settle for at least two years somewhere in Asia, then in Europe, then in Canada maybe... and don't skip South America if you want to see other people can be happy with less GDP per capita, too... anyway. And don't spend your time trying to evangelize others about how you have it right and they have it wrong, but just spend time observing how things happen around you, how their political system work, how much society is decoupled with the mainstream media, the government, or not, etc. etc.

Or, keep on thinking the USA will ever stay TheKingOfTheWorld, that other governments are suckpuppets of evil communist / islamic / whatever dictator (terrorists, yaya...). And don't think about the ending of that 1997 movie...

Besides, I like the USA, but I'm always stunned that many people in the US don't realize they do have fierce competition on the global economic level, currently mostly with Asia and especially China.

[Tomatocage]

All this is such BS -- Snowden in a non-martyr for a pseudo-cause.

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

What free country did he flee?

[Perseus353]

All this is such BS -- Snowden in a non-martyr for a pseudo-cause.

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

What free country did he flee?

He's looking to get to Equador. Apparently Wikileaks people arranged that for him.

It's always good to have a dictator to buddy buddy with.

[QuestionAuthority]

All this is such BS -- Snowden in a non-martyr for a pseudo-cause.

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

What free country did he flee?

He's looking to get to Equador. Apparently Wikileaks people arranged that for him.

It's always good to have a dictator to buddy buddy with.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/23/edward-snowden-ecuador_n_3487546.html

[BTCLuke]

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

Troll spotted. 

[justusranvier]

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

Troll spotted. 

http://www.informationweek.com/security/client/air-force-seeks-fake-online-social-media/229219056

[quicksilv3r]

http://btc.to/cja

Edward Snowden BTC address

[BTCLuke]

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

Troll spotted. 

http://www.informationweek.com/security/client/air-force-seeks-fake-online-social-media/229219056

WOW, have you seen how old that article is and how it practically hasn't been seen by anyone at all??

It doesn't suprise me one bit that they're doing that; it's just the social media version of PRISM. -But for no one to have seen that 2011 article is worrysome, especially after PRISM's leak.

This kind of tech literally makes it so 99% of the country could all strongly feel that Snowden deserves the Peace Prize, but they all think that they are in the 1%.

This is how elections are rigged, IMHO. This + media propaganda.

[QuestionAuthority]

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

Troll spotted. 

http://www.informationweek.com/security/client/air-force-seeks-fake-online-social-media/229219056

WOW, have you seen how old that article is and how it practically hasn't been seen by anyone at all??

It doesn't suprise me one bit that they're doing that; it's just the social media version of PRISM. -But for no one to have seen that 2011 article is worrysome, especially after PRISM's leak.

This kind of tech literally makes it so 99% of the country could all strongly feel that Snowden deserves the Peace Prize, but they all think that they are in the 1%.

This is how elections are rigged, IMHO. This + media propaganda.

Scary isn't it. Land of the free and home of the brave Air Force on-line social media war. Since when was the Air Force doing counter espionage anyway? Don't they have other agencies for that?

[moni3z]

Every regime now has their own propaganda chorus to manipulate discussion, and there's been plenty of shady startups ready to provide them with everything a government could need to monitor, influence and identify dissent on social media http://www.ntrepidcorp.com/tartan.php

[NewLiberty]

How can he claim to be a libertarian if he flees the freest country in the world and seeks refuge with dictatorships -- hopping from China, Russia (who all happily plundered the contents of his laptops), via Cuba to Equador?

Troll spotted. 

http://www.informationweek.com/security/client/air-force-seeks-fake-online-social-media/229219056

WOW, have you seen how old that article is and how it practically hasn't been seen by anyone at all??

It doesn't suprise me one bit that they're doing that; it's just the social media version of PRISM. -But for no one to have seen that 2011 article is worrysome, especially after PRISM's leak.

This kind of tech literally makes it so 99% of the country could all strongly feel that Snowden deserves the Peace Prize, but they all think that they are in the 1%.

This is how elections are rigged, IMHO. This + media propaganda.

It was pretty big news at the time.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/17852/army_of_fake_social_media_friends_to_promote_propaganda
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
It wasn't the last one either:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=6ef12558b44258382452fcf02942396a&tab=core&_cview=0
The USAF has lots of guidance for its folks:
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-120327-048.pdf

And this:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=223d75584bd260d9922acf328f2c0064&tab=core&_cview=0
Of primary interest are those programs which seek to develop capabilities which are intended to directly influence, disrupt, corrupt, or usurp the decision making information/abilities of adversaries, or those intended to protect our own. Likewise, programs which aim to improve/automate the planning and integration of such capabilities into military plans are relevant. Programs designed to determine, track, or assess characteristics of the information environment (such as population attitude/sentiment trends, social media data mining, political or cultural upheaval prediction, etc.) are also relevant to this data call.
The legacy definition of Information Operations described the core capabilities of Electronic Warfare, Psychological Operations, or PSYOP, (now called Military Information Support Operations, or MISO), Military Deception (MILDEC), Operations Security (OPSEC), and Computer Network Operations (CNO), and the supporting capabilities, including Combat Camera, Information Assurance, and Counterintelligence. R&D programs in these fields are of peripheral interest to this data call, and will be accepted.

This stuff is the public bits, the tip of the iceberg.
They even use the term "sock puppet" in the RFP.

[BTCLuke]

It was pretty big news at the time.
http://blogs.computerworld.com/17852/army_of_fake_social_media_friends_to_promote_propaganda
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/mar/17/us-spy-operation-social-networks
It wasn't the last one either:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=6ef12558b44258382452fcf02942396a&tab=core&_cview=0
The USAF has lots of guidance for its folks:
http://www.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-120327-048.pdf

And this:
https://www.fbo.gov/index?s=opportunity&mode=form&id=223d75584bd260d9922acf328f2c0064&tab=core&_cview=0
Of primary interest are those programs which seek to develop capabilities which are intended to directly influence, disrupt, corrupt, or usurp the decision making information/abilities of adversaries, or those intended to protect our own. Likewise, programs which aim to improve/automate the planning and integration of such capabilities into military plans are relevant. Programs designed to determine, track, or assess characteristics of the information environment (such as population attitude/sentiment trends, social media data mining, political or cultural upheaval prediction, etc.) are also relevant to this data call.
The legacy definition of Information Operations described the core capabilities of Electronic Warfare, Psychological Operations, or PSYOP, (now called Military Information Support Operations, or MISO), Military Deception (MILDEC), Operations Security (OPSEC), and Computer Network Operations (CNO), and the supporting capabilities, including Combat Camera, Information Assurance, and Counterintelligence. R&D programs in these fields are of peripheral interest to this data call, and will be accepted.

This stuff is the public bits, the tip of the iceberg.
They even use the term "sock puppet" in the RFP.

Thanks for these. A pretty good case against against the american electoral process and democracy itself can now be made with these links and what we know about the media put together.

Poor Paul followers in 2012 never knew what they were up against...

[marcus_of_augustus]

They militarised the Internet quite few years back (after the 3 planes-4 buildings attack) ... militarisation of 'social' media is a more recent phenomena, but more disturbing imho.

I don't know what kind of person thinks it is normal for the military to be routinely twisting the minds and discussions of free association in a civil, democratic society ... they are like a sickness that has infected the halls of power. Dick "We need to go over to the dark side" Cheney would be proud, his 5th heart will be beating out of its chest.

Older people think back to how the West used to view this kind of behaviour in the former communist Eastern bloc and Nazi Germany with absolute abhorrence. The movie "The lives of others" is relevant.