BitcoinOrama Report on the KnCminer/OrSoC Open-day Mon 10/06/13 (Stockholm)

[Bitcoinorama]

I wouldn't touch BFL with a bargepole, but I'm with Josh on this one - otherwise I would be a knc customer. I would be shocked if knc delivered on their promised specs and timing.

My purpose in posting was merely to identify the polysemousness in Josh's statement...

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[bitpop]

You went over his head

I wouldn't touch BFL with a bargepole, but I'm with Josh on this one - otherwise I would be a knc customer. I would be shocked if knc delivered on their promised specs and timing.

My purpose in posting was merely to identify the polysemousness in Josh's statement...

[Bitcoinorama]

Looks like your votes lead to the creation of a new 100Gh/s model...codenamed: 'Mercury';

https://www.kncminer.com/products/mercury

[szmarco]

when will the KNC order the chips on earth?

[canth]

when will the KNC order the chips on earth?

Heh. Look, they've stated that they expect everything to be ordered when needed to hit the ship date they've committed to. At this point, we have to trust them to execute - it won't help any to push the matter.

[canth]

It's not the hardware they are selling.  It is the business model of growing a gigantic and centralized solo mining operation with a focus on removing independent miners from the equation.  It's a terrible disease that is spreading faster than people wanted.

People keep asking for hosting services.. AM provides the same thing for their shareholders.

This. It doesn't matter whether AM solo mines or uses a pool - they give back ALL of the profits to the shareholders who chose and continue to choose to believe in them.

I'm not going to go into a long defense of AM because it's not the purpose of this thread. I will just say that there are many of us in the community who do not agree that AM is harming BTC or BTC mining as a whole. It would be wise to not bash them since they are the undisputed gold standard for execution when it comes to ASIC hardware production. Vote with your dollars by purchasing other hardware and leave it at that. AM has no intrinsic advantage over any other company and therefore competition will come, hopefully in the form of several companies. As an example, personally I think that AMC (ASIC Mining Cooperative) is a bit of a joke, BUT I sincerely hope they succeed in making hardware so that we'll have choice.

Every time someone brings up some subjective, unsubstantiated opinion about someone's greed, we're going to go down this path. Let's avoid it, OK?

[canth]

Trying to get things back on track. How about this for a speculation topic? All units now list sizes:

Mercury: 160 x 160 x 200*
Saturn: 160 x 160 x 100
Jupiter: 160 x  160 x 200

* looks like this is still erroneously posted from the Jupiter information.

Anyone got a guess as to what this means? 160cm would be immense - bigger than a full size refrigerator. 160mm would appear to be far to small. Thoughts?

[bitpop]

Inches

[canth]

Inches

Lol. So it's 13' x 13' x 17'? I could live in that!

[nubbins]

Inches

Lol. So it's 13' x 13' x 17'? I could live in that!

It'd explain why they chose the names "Jupiter" and "Saturn"

[bitpop]

That would be awesome

[canth]

That would be awesome

Makes for a helluva deal on shipping. 1 small bedroom, cathedral ceiling - international shipping is only $100!

[J35st3r]

Anyone got a guess as to what this means? 160cm would be immense - bigger than a full size refrigerator. 160mm would appear to be far to small. Thoughts?

Millimetres sounds fair (6" x 6" x 4" or 8" in old money), they only have a couple or four ASIC devices inside. Its going to have one helluva fan to blast all the heat out though (a bit like a small fan heater).

[Bitcoinorama]

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Lol. So it's 13' x 13' x 17'? I could live in that!

It'd explain why they chose the names "Jupiter" and "Saturn"

Yes, they have their own gravitational field and the overall size continues to increase as everything that isn't secured including yourselves are drawn towards them!!

[bitpop]

Sounds like that other scam, what was the name again?

[canth]

Anyone got a guess as to what this means? 160cm would be immense - bigger than a full size refrigerator. 160mm would appear to be far to small. Thoughts?

Millimetres sounds fair (6" x 6" x 4" or 8" in old money), they only have a couple or four ASIC devices inside. Its going to have one helluva fan to blast all the heat out though (a bit like a small fan heater).

It'd be extremely cool if it were that small - I'm dubious that they could get that much cooling going through a unit like that. The chip package alone is 55mm x 55mm - there would barely be any room in between heatsinks.

[J35st3r]

It'd be extremely cool if it were that small - I'm dubious that they could get that much cooling going through a unit like that. The chip package alone is 55mm x 55mm - there would barely be any room in between heatsinks.

So its just about the right size. The case will be filled with heatsink and fan, plus power supply I guess (it would be insane to try to feed 12V  from an external power supply at those sort of power levels). Power supplies don't like to run hot though, so they had better take care with the design or else there will be an after-market in replacing dried out capacitors (though that problem may have been solved by now, google capacitor plague).

[Bitcoinorama]

It'd be extremely cool if it were that small - I'm dubious that they could get that much cooling going through a unit like that. The chip package alone is 55mm x 55mm - there would barely be any room in between heatsinks.

So its just about the right size. The case will be filled with heatsink and fan, plus power supply I guess (it would be insane to try to feed 12V  from an external power supply at those sort of power levels). Power supplies don't like to run hot though, so they had better take care with the design or else there will be an after-market in replacing dried out capacitors (though that problem may have been solved by now, google capacitor plague).

Power supply is external...

[J35st3r]

Power supply is external...

Ah, OK. That solves the heat problem then, and makes the case size sensilbe. Any idea if its a standard ATX 12 Volt supply (a connector nightmare) or are they using something custom, eg 48 Volt would make the connector sizing more sensible.

[Bitcoinorama]

Power supply is external...

Ah, OK. That solves the heat problem then, and makes the case size sensilbe. Any idea if its a standard ATX 12 Volt supply (a connector nightmare) or are they using something custom, eg 48 Volt would make the connector sizing more sensible.

They will advise you on PSU choice closer to the time.

It won't be more than 1000w for the largest model.

They don't supply PSU because of the issues some are having with customs.