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September 25, 2013, 02:29:47 PM
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Dear slovenian bitcoin friends!
Sorry for not speaking slovenian (but I understand a bit Wink ).

I want to ask about experiences with bitstamp in Slovenia: Do withdrawals from bitstamp to a Slovenian bank account work on same business day in general?
I came to Slovenia and opened a bank account here some weeks ago in order to accelerate my cashflow. But right now, SEPA withdrawals to it are even slower then they were to my german account: a withdrawal was confirmed at 13:45 yesterday, at it still has not arrived today.

What are your experiences with withdrawals in Slovenia?
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September 30, 2013, 08:44:55 AM
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Fantje mene pa zanima kaj sploh imate kaj od minerjev... hardware power mislim Smiley

kaki avaloni, Butterfly,usb,... Huh?
koliko Mhash mislite da imamo Slovenci, da vidim malo v % oz promilih....
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October 01, 2013, 05:23:50 PM
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Dear slovenian bitcoin friends!
Sorry for not speaking slovenian (but I understand a bit Wink ).

I want to ask about experiences with bitstamp in Slovenia: Do withdrawals from bitstamp to a Slovenian bank account work on same business day in general?
I came to Slovenia and opened a bank account here some weeks ago in order to accelerate my cashflow. But right now, SEPA withdrawals to it are even slower then they were to my german account: a withdrawal was confirmed at 13:45 yesterday, at it still has not arrived today.

What are your experiences with withdrawals in Slovenia?

Usually is next day... but if you have an account at Unicredit Slovenia is the same day (if you withdraw in the morning)


Drugače pa še vprašanje za ostale... Mi lahko nekdo pove kako je v Sloveniji obdavčeno trgovanje z BTC? Sem pisal na ministrstvo za finance a vrjetno ne bom dočakal odgovora :/
Kar mene zanima je predvsem trgovanje med borzami oz. arbitraže... (preden pričnete z idejami, da ni profitabilno in to... je, če imaš avtomatizirano in če imaš poštimano glede davkov, kar se nanaša na moj post). Če bi naprimer vsak dan imel 2000€ nakazila z bitstampa in bi to še isti dan prenesel naprej na drugo borzo... kolk bi blo to obdavčeno? Ker to pol pomeni mesečni volumen npr. 50000€. Lahko bi bil obtožen tudi pranja denarja a? Študiram da bi odpro d.o.o. in preko firme to delal... a kot sem že omenu, ne vem, kak je vse skupi pol to obdavčeno.

Če mogoče kdo od bitstampovcev spremlja tale tread... Lahk prosim razložijo kakšen račun imajo pri Unicreditu in kakšno dejavnost so prijavili? (če ni skrivnost seveda) Smiley

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October 02, 2013, 01:13:26 PM
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za to imaš eno dobro možnost, ki ne rabi biti preko tvojega trrja...
naprimer anonimna predplačniška MC...
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October 02, 2013, 02:21:51 PM
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Ja... ampak omogoča bitstamp izplačila na omenjeno kartico? Npr. OkPay MC? Meni so odgovorili, da se lahko nakaže zgolj na tvoj osebni bančni račun...

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October 08, 2013, 07:24:07 PM
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Dear slovenian bitcoin friends!
Sorry for not speaking slovenian (but I understand a bit Wink ).

I want to ask about experiences with bitstamp in Slovenia: Do withdrawals from bitstamp to a Slovenian bank account work on same business day in general?
I came to Slovenia and opened a bank account here some weeks ago in order to accelerate my cashflow. But right now, SEPA withdrawals to it are even slower then they were to my german account: a withdrawal was confirmed at 13:45 yesterday, at it still has not arrived today.

What are your experiences with withdrawals in Slovenia?

Usually is next day... but if you have an accaount at Unicredit Slovenia is the same day (if you withdraw in the morning)


Drugače pa še vprašanje za ostale... Mi lahko nekdo pove kako je v Sloveniji obdavčeno trgovanje z BTC? Sem pisal na ministrstvo za finance a vrjetno ne bom dočakal odgovora :/
Kar mene zanima je predvsem trgovanje med borzami oz. arbitraže... (preden pričnete z idejami, da ni profitabilno in to... je, če imaš avtomatizirano in če imaš poštimano glede davkov, kar se nanaša na moj post). Če bi naprimer vsak dan imel 2000€ nakazila z bitstampa in bi to še isti dan prenesel naprej na drugo borzo... kolk bi blo to obdavčeno? Ker to pol pomeni mesečni volumen npr. 50000€. Lahko bi bil obtožen tudi pranja denarja a? Študiram da bi odpro d.o.o. in preko firme to delal... a kot sem že omenu, ne vem, kak je vse skupi pol to obdavčeno.

Če mogoče kdo od bitstampovcev spremlja tale tread... Lahk prosim razložijo kakšen račun imajo pri Unicreditu in kakšno dejavnost so prijavili? (če ni skrivnost seveda) Smiley

Vprašanje je ali DURS smatra Bitcoine kot valuto ali kot "blago".

Če je kot valuta so baje neobdavčeni - trgovanje z valutami je [baje] neobdavčeno ali kot blago. (naj kdo to potrdi ali ovrže prosim)
Tu je ena Forum tema na Vzajemcih na podobno temo:
http://vzajemci.com/forum/showthread.php?113-Kako-poravnati-davek-pri-trgovanju-z-valutami/page2&s=7172e1a517f844808a6a13ae79f4bbe9
In interpretacija/obrazložitev od DURS-a:
http://vzajemci.com/forum/showthread.php?153-Interpretacija-oz.-obrazlo%C5%BEitev-IFI&p=2211#post2211

Če je kot blago pa po moje te bi lahko obdavčili (če imaš dobiček), ko si Bitcoine prodal in izplačal na bančni račun.
(naj kdo to potrdi ali ovrže prosim)

Mislim, da prilivov do 10000,00 eur DURS ne preverja. (naj kdo to potrdi ali ovrže prosim)


Dobro bi se bilo pozanimati pri zelo izkušenem pravnem strokovnjaku za finančno trgovanje in pri izkušeni računovodji.
Tudi poslati zahtevo za obrazložitev na DURS.
Ko se bodo tu vrteli veliki denarji bo naša lopovska država (točneje: politična elita) sigurno to obdavčila.

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October 08, 2013, 07:50:42 PM
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Ja... ampak omogoča bitstamp izplačila na omenjeno kartico? Npr. OkPay MC? Meni so odgovorili, da se lahko nakaže zgolj na tvoj osebni bančni račun...

kolikor vem je MC od hypo z AT trrjem.. torej izgleda kot da imaš avstrijski trr. fora je samo v tem, da ti vzamejo 1.5eur za vsako nakazilo na kartico.
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October 09, 2013, 06:44:42 PM
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Me veseli, da gre tema dalje  Smiley
Glede valute: tako je, trgovanje z valutami je res neobdavčeno a kolikor vem zgolj če se dela preko kakšne forex platforme za borzno tgovanje se gleda drugač.
Glede blaga: lahk spet potrdim tvoje pisanje.

Naredo sm že pravo malo raziskavo na tole temo, prihodnji teden pa se oglasim tudi pri finančnih svetovalcih. Za nasvete pa sem že tudi povprašal pri knjigovodskih servisih.
Vsekakor vem, da bodo dacarji smatrali to kot trgovanje z blagom, ker dvomim da je že naše finančno ministrstvo toliko daleč s to tematiko (verjetno se raje ukvarjajo kako zavoziti državo še bolj) - ali pač. Se pa postavi pri vseh teh nakazilih še eno vprašanje... Glede na to, da se v primeru d.o.o. to dela preko poslovnega računa, je potrebno za vse odlive in prilive imeti račune, torej račun/potrdilo za nakazilo/dvig iz borze. Ker se bo delalo tukaj z več borzami me tukaj skrbi, da mi ne bodo gledali celotnih prilivov kot dobiček (upam da niso toliko glupi, ampak pri naši državi žal nikoli ne veš).
Glede prilivov, znal bi bit tut večji (odvisno pač od osnovnega kapitala). Pozanimal sem se tudi kakšno dejavnost in ostalo je prijavil bitstamp in morem rečit, da so dost lepo rešl zadevo (prodaja in posredništvo - ostalo). Verjetno bomo šli mi na izto vrjanto.

Še vedno čakam odgovor ministrstva za finance, ki ga verjetno ne bo nikoli. V vsakem primeru bi bilo že odlično če se obdavči zgolj dobiček. Bom napisal kakšen updajt naslednji teden, ko upam, da zvem vse... Bom marsikomu prišparal dosti živcev, če se bo ubadal s podobno zadevo Smiley

Glede Hypo MC, sem se tut to že prej pozanimal in morem rečit, da bi me kr skrbelo, če bi kakšne večje zneske obračal... Pritiski na Avstrijo so ogromni, plus iščemo eno dolgoročno rešitev.

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October 11, 2013, 10:55:35 AM
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Ena novica iz našega ministrstva za finance (telefonski pogovor z eno izmed uslužbenk, ki se ukvarja s to tematiko). Po 20. oktobru naj bi blo dosti več jasno glede stališča Slovenije do BTC.

Me res zanima kaj bojo naši vrli finančniki nagruntal  Cheesy

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October 11, 2013, 11:10:40 AM
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Si se pa resno lotil raziskovanja...

Hvala za input in ko/ce bo kaj vec znano, se seveda priporocamo : )
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October 12, 2013, 02:10:40 PM
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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/USB-Bitcoin-ASIC-Miner-Block-Erupter-IN-HAND-Ships-Immediately-335-Mh-asicminer-/190917472180?pt=UK_Computing_Other_Computing_Networking&hash=item2c73916fb4

ali ima mogoče sedaj že kdo kaj več izkušenj koliko se splača tole kupit in rudarit Smiley

koliko se da pridelat z 20 USB ključki na mesec naprimer

kakor jest gledam je od ASIC kovancev najbolje večino časa rudariti kar sam BTC. gledam namreč tudi ostale ASIC valute vendar kažejo manjšo rentabilnost od BTC-ja

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October 12, 2013, 05:38:25 PM
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gotmilk_: Bravo :-) no, pa počakajmo na 20.10.2013

yespeace:
USB block erupter se ne splača več. Težavnost računanja raste (pre)strmo.
Z enim si boš pridelal le 3 USD dobička ta mesec, naslednji mesec 2 USD, nato 1 USD in kasneje pa 0 USD/mesec.
Ne boš si nikoli povrnil niti kupnine.

Najenostavneje je pač enostavno kupiti bitcoine, ne jih rudariti.
Konkurenca pri miningu je prevelika.



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October 12, 2013, 08:52:52 PM
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huh....


zdej smo za preizkus vseeno naročil komplet 20 USB ključev Smiley bomo poizkusil srečo z kako drugo crypto valuto, če bo kak kovanec na novo plasiran in bi ga kmalu po tem ko zadeva pride ven začeli rudarit...


Kaj pa Rudarjenje z http://www.tehnox.si/gigabyte-graficna-kartica-amd-radeon-7970-3gb-pci-p-3715.html

s štirimi naenrkat? je računica? Smiley

sedaj nekaj probavamo, samo smo še malo "zeleni" in je vsak nasvet dobrodošel...

kupili smo (nekaj še bomo) iz nemčije po internetu zgoraj omenjene grafične kartice in ostale komponente... ima mogoče kdo kako boljšo, bolj ugodno varianto?

in pa še zadnje vprašanje: katere kovance se splača rudarit? Smiley al se to spreminja iz dneva v dan... oziroma ali so na tej strani podatki uporabni? http://www.coinwarz.com/cryptocurrency

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October 13, 2013, 06:51:42 AM
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Mislim, da se nabava ASIC opreme za rudarjenje trenutno ne splača - naprave so predrage, proizvajalci zahtevajo denar vnaprej (pre-order), a težavnost računanja strmo narašča. Ko (če) ASIC končno dobiš, ne bo zmogljiv ni toliko, da 'narudari' vložen denar. In preveč elektrike porabijo, da bi se splačalo rudariti 'na dolgi rok'.
Počakat cenejše in učinkovitejše ASICe. Dobiček ne bodo prinesli takoj, v kratkem času, ampak se bo splačalo (upam) rudariti dalj časa, tudi za manjše zneske.

Katere kovance se splača rudarit? poskusi tale pool https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=259649.0 (profit switching auto-exchanging pool). Naj bi avtomatično izbiral najugodnejši kovanec za rudarjenje in na ustreznih borzah menjal v BTC.
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October 13, 2013, 10:43:40 AM
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Kaj pa Rudarjenje z http://www.tehnox.si/gigabyte-graficna-kartica-amd-radeon-7970-3gb-pci-p-3715.html

ima kdo kakšen nasvet, mnenje, izkušnjo... Smiley

katero opremo se najbolj splača kupit in kje, se pravi, ketere grafične kartice (baje da plata procesor in ostale stvari niso tako pomembne) Smiley

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October 13, 2013, 12:27:46 PM
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Kaj pa Rudarjenje z http://www.tehnox.si/gigabyte-graficna-kartica-amd-radeon-7970-3gb-pci-p-3715.html

s štirimi naenrkat? je računica? Smiley

Js ti prodam minerja... posebej odprto ohišje (domače izdelave, lahk daš not 4 grafe) not pa: Ati Radeon Sapphire 7970 3gb, AMD Sempron (145) 2,8 Gh, 2 GB ddr3, 550w napajalnik, plata: asrock 970 extreme4!. Wink grafa stara leto in pol ostalo pol leta...

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October 13, 2013, 03:24:41 PM
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Kaj pa Rudarjenje z http://www.tehnox.si/gigabyte-graficna-kartica-amd-radeon-7970-3gb-pci-p-3715.html

s štirimi naenrkat? je računica? Smiley

Js ti prodam minerja... posebej odprto ohišje (domače izdelave, lahk daš not 4 grafe) not pa: Ati Radeon Sapphire 7970 3gb, AMD Sempron (145) 2,8 Gh, 2 GB ddr3, 550w napajalnik, plata: asrock 970 extreme4!. Wink grafa stara leto in pol ostalo pol leta...

sem ti poslal sporočilo na zasebno.

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October 13, 2013, 05:48:45 PM
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Dear slovenian bitcoin friends!
Sorry for not speaking slovenian (but I understand a bit Wink ).

I want to ask about experiences with bitstamp in Slovenia: Do withdrawals from bitstamp to a Slovenian bank account work on same business day in general?
I came to Slovenia and opened a bank account here some weeks ago in order to accelerate my cashflow. But right now, SEPA withdrawals to it are even slower then they were to my german account: a withdrawal was confirmed at 13:45 yesterday, at it still has not arrived today.

What are your experiences with withdrawals in Slovenia?

Usually is next day... but if you have an account at Unicredit Slovenia is the same day (if you withdraw in the morning)


Ok. Why is this so? Every bank and the Slovenian Central Bank tell me that slovenian domestic transfers must arrive the same day...
I think about complaining to UniCredit Bank and/or to the Slovenian Central Bank.
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October 13, 2013, 06:02:20 PM
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Dear slovenian bitcoin friends!
Sorry for not speaking slovenian (but I understand a bit Wink ).

I want to ask about experiences with bitstamp in Slovenia: Do withdrawals from bitstamp to a Slovenian bank account work on same business day in general?
I came to Slovenia and opened a bank account here some weeks ago in order to accelerate my cashflow. But right now, SEPA withdrawals to it are even slower then they were to my german account: a withdrawal was confirmed at 13:45 yesterday, at it still has not arrived today.

What are your experiences with withdrawals in Slovenia?

Usually is next day... but if you have an account at Unicredit Slovenia is the same day (if you withdraw in the morning)


Ok. Why is this so? Every bank and the Slovenian Central Bank tell me that slovenian domestic transfers must arrive the same day...
I think about complaining to UniCredit Bank and/or to the Slovenian Central Bank.


It does if you use the bank in the same country it is in the same day... if you make the transfer before 16:00 if you do it later then it is  next day...
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October 14, 2013, 08:01:28 AM
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Dear slovenian bitcoin friends!
Sorry for not speaking slovenian (but I understand a bit Wink ).

I want to ask about experiences with bitstamp in Slovenia: Do withdrawals from bitstamp to a Slovenian bank account work on same business day in general?
I came to Slovenia and opened a bank account here some weeks ago in order to accelerate my cashflow. But right now, SEPA withdrawals to it are even slower then they were to my german account: a withdrawal was confirmed at 13:45 yesterday, at it still has not arrived today.

What are your experiences with withdrawals in Slovenia?

Usually is next day... but if you have an account at Unicredit Slovenia is the same day (if you withdraw in the morning)


Ok. Why is this so? Every bank and the Slovenian Central Bank tell me that slovenian domestic transfers must arrive the same day...
I think about complaining to UniCredit Bank and/or to the Slovenian Central Bank.
My latest personal experience with withdrawal with Bitstamp:
I requested the withdrawal on Tuesday 8 Oct 2013 afternoon (around 15:00 GMT+1)
The withdrawal was confirmed on Wednesday 9 Oct 2013 at around 10am.
I received the money to my bank account on Friday 11 Oct 2013.
So it took 3 to 4 days.
My bank is not Unicredit but another Slovenian bank.

Maybe after 30 Sept - after the requirement the have a verified account at BitStamp they became slower with withdrawals?
Before, I could sometimes get my money to my bank account even in the same day (to another Slovenian bank) or 24 hours.

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