How about we start banning scammers?

[actmyname]

I think the best way to avoid scammers is look at their rank and their reputation . Maybe? Only trade with guy who has high reputation or high rank .

No. Reputation =/= Trustworthiness, and in fact trust is not an absolute indicator of true trust. After all, we know about the many exit scams that have happened on Bitcointalk.

Your point about escrowing is kind-of right. There's always a degree of risk when trading (the escrow may decide to scam) but it does offer some insurance. I would personally say that trading with people who have no reputation at all (or little reputation) with an escrow would be equivalent to trading with someone that has a high reputation. The only difference is the escrow fee yet, in the end, you still hold the same financial risk, should one of the parties decide to scam.

I'm pretty active on catching scammers and i believe moderators should do some actions against them. We also need more moderators and better trust system. Not sure is the admins still active around to check whats going on but the scam attempts around are insane.

File some reports in the Scam Accusations section. Red trust will be splashed. Easy.

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[Podgor]

I wonder why obvious scammers are not banned, can someone explain this to me?

[Vod]

I wonder why obvious scammers are not banned, can someone explain this to me?

Yes.

The forum used to manually apply the "SCAMMER!" tag to accounts that had scammed.  The scammer numbers became too great, and forum resources were insufficient.  Hence, the default trust system was born.

[Vod]

Trust system would be fine if it was clear how to use it.  The "untrusted" trust is invisible under the scammers name and I'd bet 99.99% of those being scammed have any clue on ho to find it.

And that is the way it should be.  "Untrusted" means anyone can make a free anonymous account and post whatever they like.  Looking at my untrusted feedback, I am one of the worst people ever to walk this earth.

"Trusted" feedback should be considered, since those that left it would be quickly removed from that position if they abused it.

[zazarb]

How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?

I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.

What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.

To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
 and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.

[winspiral]

Learn first not banning honest people...this is more important.
The day you are taken for a scammer and you are honest,you will understand.

[Podgor]

Learn first not banning honest people...this is more important.
The day you are taken for a scammer and you are honest,you will understand.

Post block for marketplace is the best way here then.

[yojodojo21]

This a good idea to be tackled and be get serious about. it is so difficult to distinguish scammers, I am always referring to there Negative trust everytime i negotiate with other person if I am Trading. bitcoin Forum has So Many members.

Maybe The Best Thing to do if You encounter with scammers give there account negative trust and always look up to there account if the account is legendary then maybe He/She will be afraid to have Negative trust.

Most scammers account are newbies sometimes they use other reputated names.

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How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?

I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.

What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.

To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
 and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.

LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.

What makes me angry is when the obvious and blatant thieves (example: JAAC) are permitted to continue on scamming with absolutely zero interference from any higher-ups here for weeks at a time. 

that's just the forum administration's position they take on scammers; in the past, they did manually apply scammer tags to verified scammers ass vod pointed out above, but with the amount of traffic the forum sees nowadays, that's nearly impossible considering the man hours that would have to be dedicated to the task to even keep up with the sheer volume, while ensuring accuracy. if the administration were to become involved again, it would be impossible to seem impartial or avoid the image that they were doing a half - ass job if they weren't able to keep up, which is likely, and they cannot seem partial in their management of the forum and its users. compared to this outcome, i think the laissez faire stance they have taken is a smarter move in their position, with the initiative placed on the users via the trust system; caveat emptor. personally, even if the old system were to be implemented again, scams would still happen, weather it be by new accounts, bought accounts, or established users looking to exit scam, which does happen every once in a while.
that's just my take on it, can't speak for the administration itself.

[dillpicklechips]

I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here

7 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes

That's just 184 hours. 

Plus the other accounts.

How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?

I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.

What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.

To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
 and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.

LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.

What makes me angry is when the obvious and blatant thieves (example: JAAC) are permitted to continue on scamming with absolutely zero interference from any higher-ups here for weeks at a time. 

that's just the forum administration's position they take on scammers; in the past, they did manually apply scammer tags to verified scammers ass vod pointed out above, but with the amount of traffic the forum sees nowadays, that's nearly impossible considering the man hours that would have to be dedicated to the task to even keep up with the sheer volume, while ensuring accuracy. if the administration were to become involved again, it would be impossible to seem impartial or avoid the image that they were doing a half - ass job if they weren't able to keep up, which is likely, and they cannot seem partial in their management of the forum and its users. compared to this outcome, i think the laissez faire stance they have taken is a smarter move in their position, with the initiative placed on the users via the trust system; caveat emptor. personally, even if the old system were to be implemented again, scams would still happen, weather it be by new accounts, bought accounts, or established users looking to exit scam, which does happen every once in a while.
that's just my take on it, can't speak for the administration itself.

The funny this is about those who are trying to buy high ranking account either having a green trust for a purpise to scam others are having a problem buying since the new security implemented which in result 2 scammers are scamming each other. How romantic.

[SureLockLoans]

I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here

7 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes

That's just 184 hours. 

Plus the other accounts.

How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?

I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.

What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.

To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
 and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.

LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.

What makes me angry is when the obvious and blatant thieves (example: JAAC) are permitted to continue on scamming with absolutely zero interference from any higher-ups here for weeks at a time. 

that's just the forum administration's position they take on scammers; in the past, they did manually apply scammer tags to verified scammers ass vod pointed out above, but with the amount of traffic the forum sees nowadays, that's nearly impossible considering the man hours that would have to be dedicated to the task to even keep up with the sheer volume, while ensuring accuracy. if the administration were to become involved again, it would be impossible to seem impartial or avoid the image that they were doing a half - ass job if they weren't able to keep up, which is likely, and they cannot seem partial in their management of the forum and its users. compared to this outcome, i think the laissez faire stance they have taken is a smarter move in their position, with the initiative placed on the users via the trust system; caveat emptor. personally, even if the old system were to be implemented again, scams would still happen, weather it be by new accounts, bought accounts, or established users looking to exit scam, which does happen every once in a while.
that's just my take on it, can't speak for the administration itself.

The funny this is about those who are trying to buy high ranking account either having a green trust for a purpise to scam others are having a problem buying since the new security implemented which in result 2 scammers are scamming each other. How romantic.

Technically the new security features only protect against hacked accounts scamming. They are simply locked and not recovered it still requires a signed address to recover the account. So if the account didn't stake an address then it can't be recovered.

[dillpicklechips]

I've been dealing on bitcointalk for almost a year, spent hundreds of hours here

7 days, 16 hours and 24 minutes

That's just 184 hours.  

Plus the other accounts.

How can we figure it out that this account is a scammers here, new account can easily be done at the same time, so even we caught on scammer here, it is easy for them to create new and make another transaction which people fall easily at many times, right?

I noticed people tend to avoid dealing with users who are few days on the forums. Not all of them obviously but it's a good start.

What about making marketplace available after getting 100+ posts? That would waste scammers time at least.

To get scammed by newbie very rare occurrence, for example I have scammed by three legendary user with green trust (one even belongs to DT) ,
 and few trusted hero, limit of 100+ post or activity, can only reduce spam not scam.

LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.

What makes me angry is when the obvious and blatant thieves (example: JAAC) are permitted to continue on scamming with absolutely zero interference from any higher-ups here for weeks at a time.  

that's just the forum administration's position they take on scammers; in the past, they did manually apply scammer tags to verified scammers ass vod pointed out above, but with the amount of traffic the forum sees nowadays, that's nearly impossible considering the man hours that would have to be dedicated to the task to even keep up with the sheer volume, while ensuring accuracy. if the administration were to become involved again, it would be impossible to seem impartial or avoid the image that they were doing a half - ass job if they weren't able to keep up, which is likely, and they cannot seem partial in their management of the forum and its users. compared to this outcome, i think the laissez faire stance they have taken is a smarter move in their position, with the initiative placed on the users via the trust system; caveat emptor. personally, even if the old system were to be implemented again, scams would still happen, weather it be by new accounts, bought accounts, or established users looking to exit scam, which does happen every once in a while.
that's just my take on it, can't speak for the administration itself.

The funny this is about those who are trying to buy high ranking account either having a green trust for a purpise to scam others are having a problem buying since the new security implemented which in result 2 scammers are scamming each other. How romantic.

Technically the new security features only protect against hacked accounts scamming. They are simply locked and not recovered it still requires a signed address to recover the account. So if the account didn't stake an address then it can't be recovered.

Sorry? You're off topic or either you didn't get what I'm saying.

Ok. Here it is: Account sellers can now lock the accounts they sold and sign a message to recover it then resell it again. Following that line of thought, I think you'll get it. Account sales would dramatically go down because of this.

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The funny this is about those who are trying to buy high ranking account either having a green trust for a purpise to scam others are having a problem buying since the new security implemented which in result 2 scammers are scamming each other. How romantic.
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what new security features? ive only been back on the forum for a few months now, either i missed this announcement or this happened before that, mind filling me in?

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LOL, I can just see all the prospective scanners racking up 100 posts in an hour or 2. I'm sure they can esaily figure it out.
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forgot to address this point in my previous point, my bad.
lets assume that a post would take someone around a minute to write, and with new accounts, the 6 minute restriction is in place in between posts. with that, we'd be looking at nearly 12 hours to write 100 posts to move this hypothetical restriction (of straight, nonstop posting). dunno how everyone else feels about this, but i barely make 20 posts a week even, granted they're thought out and the furthest thing from spam. however, 12 hours is a lot of time to dedicate, and would be a pretty darn effective deterrent against scamming just from the sheer effort required to bypass that restriction. not that i think this is a good idea, but just stating the point. it's not easy at all.

[dillpicklechips]

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what new security features? ive only been back on the forum for a few months now, either i missed this announcement or this happened before that, mind filling me in?

Here, from theymos himself.

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forgot to address this point in my previous point, my bad.
lets assume that a post would take someone around a minute to write, and with new accounts, the 6 minute restriction is in place in between posts. with that, we'd be looking at nearly 12 hours to write 100 posts to move this hypothetical restriction (of straight, nonstop posting). dunno how everyone else feels about this, but i barely make 20 posts a week even, granted they're thought out and the furthest thing from spam. however, 12 hours is a lot of time to dedicate, and would be a pretty darn effective deterrent against scamming just from the sheer effort required to bypass that restriction. not that i think this is a good idea, but just stating the point. it's not easy at all.

Haha. You should know the tricks of scammers in order to understand them. They have someone write post for them which these ghost writers would then later send all of the ordered posts of the client. You can see in the marketplace someone offering that kind of service. And they paste it at once like a user I see in the past where he posted 40-50 posts within 20 minutes or less span of time. The thing is: every post is in the average length about 3 lines.

[coolcoinz]

I don't get why are you trying to protect everyone. This can't be done. I've read claims that people are trusting random people, ignoring threads about scammers and trust comments. It's nothing new. You have to understand that some people are lazy, careless or don't care. They want quick and easy money and are blinded by greed.
We can take cloud mining as an example. There's literally a hundred threads about that system where people are explaining that it's risky, scammy and unprofitable, but there are regularly people who post saying they put thousands of USD into cloud mining and are still waiting for a return.
Banning scammers won't change anything. Account are cheap, VPNs widely available and there are always gullible people ready to take the bait.

[ilfz01]

It's amazing to me that this forum/admins/moderators are allowing their own users to get scammed without doing anything about it. It's common sense that someone like JACC the scammer is extremely known around here and uses a self moderated thread, has been reported many many many times, has a very negative trust setting, and on top of that after I have for several weeks constantly posting on his scam thread (of course being deleted by the scammer JACC) for people to watch out, I receive an email from the mods that I should stop and that he can continue scamming.

This makes people go away from this forum. Yes, you can say, oh well, the new users need to learn about getting scammed bla bla, this can easily be avoided with some minor programming. If trust level is > certain X, reported by trusted/positive members of the forum, ban the thread/user or at least remove self moderated threads for that particular user. Simple.

Honestly, since I was scammed, I barely use this forum anymore since the mods do not want to take any action on it.

[Str1x]

The only thing i hate is the fact that every day we get a x amount of "i am banned" topic. The rule states that ban evasion is not allowed. So why do we still get the i am banned post. Every i am banned topic should result in an instant perma ban, with no discussion. Or is it to the community to just report every alt account that has been made to evade bans?

[SvenBomvolen]

We can protect ourselves from forum scammers with 100% guarantee. That first a person was scammed he reports to moderator and the scammer gets negative trust. This souls to make other people to think twice before to start any contact with such user. The problem is that accounts are selling and buying and a lot of people should to complain before poizen account would be blocked. I think we can't do anything with that unfortunately.

[Lauda]

Excellent shitpost, 5/7.

We can protect ourselves from forum scammers with 100% guarantee.

Fallacy.

That first a person was scammed he reports to moderator and the scammer gets negative trust.

Bullshit. Plenty of people got scammed by people with negative trust. Some scammers don't receive negative in time and manage to scam several members.
IMHO, we should at least start banning confirmed serial scammers.

[dillpicklechips]

IMHO, we should at least start banning confirmed serial scammers.

This. I don't even get it why aren't these users who are 100% confirmed that they're scammers aren't banned. Their thread is still living though it's locked and trust hidden then using autobuy link. I think we should disable "hide trust" exclusively in Marketplace, Auctions and others that I forgot to mention that involves trades.