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June 18, 2013, 06:09:47 PM
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I believe the point being made is, one does not count as an artist in the context of the competition until one submits a piece of artwork; otherwise they're just an onlooker, so to speak.

If we're all going to stop deliberately misunderstanding each other, we might as well just request the thread be locked.

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June 18, 2013, 06:17:31 PM
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I believe the point being made is, one does not count as an artist in the context of the competition until one submits a piece of artwork; otherwise they're just an onlooker, so to speak.

If we're all going to stop deliberately misunderstanding each other, we might as well just request the thread be locked.

But we're having so much fun Tongue

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June 18, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
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I believe the point being made is, one does not count as an artist in the context of the competition until one submits a piece of artwork; otherwise they're just an onlooker, so to speak.

If we're all going to stop deliberately misunderstanding each other, we might as well just request the thread be locked.

But we're having so much fun Tongue

I'm fairly entertained.

You'd want to start out with only enough in-game infrastructure to get money into the game and to get people creating. Everything else can be built by players.

I feel like there should be a way to use a blockchain to store game state, which would probably win over all the altcoin fans, but I'm not quite sure it'd make sense.

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June 18, 2013, 06:59:00 PM
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Yes I saw this. My counter point is that this opportunity may not be worth as much as you think it is. You know how many game startups pop up all the time? All asking for spec work, with a promise of additional work? Every single one of these claim that they are an amazing opportunity

S.MG is sitting on 8`799.0657479 BTCi after its succesfull IPO last week.

For that matter, the "community", such as it is, consists principally of people who would love nothing more and spend their time doing nothing else than upmanshipping MP. If indeed you contribute usable artwork and nothing comes of it because the project goes to shit you'll be the only guy in this position in the history of Bitcoin. This is what Taaki, Maxwell, the entire host of "finance" wanna-bes and literally everyone else has been trying to do, since forever. This is why CoinSetter is currently buying tweets, this is what CoinLab was trying to achieve paying off some of the press, that's what Pietila was trying with his rushed conference, that's what the London folk were trying with their second "First Bitcoin Conference", that's the long and the short of it: everyone hopes, strives and dreams of the situation where they could say "Ha, I'm bigger than MP". That blessed situation where you did your end and MP came short, to go with the billion times the opposite occured.

So, your dilemma is this: either you get paid and the game works or else you'd have succeeded at the one thing everyone really seeks, and that'd make you a sort of Satoshi-2. It'd be worth more than your wallet, you can probably support yourself consulting for the rest of your life.

Sorry, I don't know much about the bitcoin community or any of those names, including yours (as you can tell by my measly post count).
Is your argument that this is an amazing opportunity because you have a history of successful business endeavors and you haven't failed before?
I don't think that necessarily guarantees success in the game development business. I'm not seeing much on your site about what concepts or ideas you have with the game you want to make but I hit an apparent "5 article limit" (rofl) and i cant even view the details page anymore.

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And you arent offering a good possible payout, other projects can offer more than $150.

By all means, go do that then.

Well, yea. Are you trying to attract talent to your game or not?
You can't complain that you don't get any good entries and that its because people are entitled and don't want to work hard
ill gladly work hard, but make the payout worthwhile.


By this reasoning "no coder worth the money is ever going to make an extremely detailed project on the hopes of winning". Except they do. That's what the better coders do, and whenever some coder wants to be hired on a salary the first point in anyone's mind is "so he doesn't think he's good enough to start-up".

Really, it's 2013, time to split the artists from the wanna-bes.

Starting up on your own is different from doing spec work for someone else's startup.
And understand, that's not my line of reasoning at all. My reasoning is "no coder worth the money is ever going to make an extremely detailed project on the hopes of winning a meager amount of money and maybe the chance to do more extremely detailed projects for probably a similar amount of money"
Sure, offer spec work, but make the payout at least worth spending alot of time on it so you can get some decent results


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Understand, I don't care what you are. Ideally you care what you are, but if you don't that's also fine, don't expect me to parent you. I'm not your mommy, and you can't blackmail me with "I'll fuck up my future because this pays $150 now".
Blackmail? what? I'm just offering suggestions on why you aren't finding any talent, not blackmail.

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Well, the fact that you have 9k bitcoins allocated for it actually makes it different. Thats Good. You have the chance of actually funding it.

Chance? No chance. Why chance?


Sorry, i meant seeing the project to conclusion.

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however, already it looks like you are terrible at funding it. You are only allocating about 1BTC to find an artist that is supposedly going to do alot of work on the art of your game. It may have a huge influence on the artstyle as you are planning to use it as a slash screen. Is the art of your game only worth 1BTC to find a good artist?

No. The "artist's" airs are worth nothing at all, so MP is offering something symbolic, a token if you wish. To be perfectly clear, in case any doubt lingers: until and unless you've submitted art you are not an artist. Irrespective of what you might have heard, from parents/girlfriend/that guy you're paying for the purpose, you are not an artist until and unless you deliver.
what huh? what does my status as an artist have to do with the point? I never said I was that good of an artist. Ive made some money doing commissions here and there to various people and companies (none of them friends or family), but I don't consider myself a professional artist. None of that has anything to with the point. My point is that artstyle is a major important part of game development and (at least to me) its a bad sign that you seem to be throwing it to spec work with a tiny payout when you have such a big budget? Usually a spec contest with this type of payout would be made from basement developers with a measly budget, and the quality that they get is what they pay for.

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You are only shortchanging yourself. Offer a pot of 3-7btc, get actual quality submissions.

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Hell you paid 10btc when they worth more for people to photoshop a rape scene and look at the crap you got.

Apparently your reading is VERY selective. That's not how reading works. And since I'm doing this retarded "let me pick up the bits you've neglected because they don't serve the idiocy you wish to proceed from",
Where did you advertise the rape photoshop contest? Here or on your blog? Yes there were a small amount of entries there, some of them were ok but nothing that amazing, ill admit. I suspect thats because not many people saw the contest, but i may be wrong. Then again, theres not much you can do with photoshopping pictures of porn. Honestly you should have offered a much smaller payout for that, and a higher payout for this contest. This one takes more work.


On the other side of the planet, you can't insulate yourself from risks. Being part of a start-up is being part of a start-up, you can't play 9 to 5 office on one end and then cash in like an entrepreneur on the other end. You don't get the benefit of signing your name on tomorrow's megafranchise without putting a lot of your work at risk. Joanne Rowling pitched her book to almost one hundred publishers over years before being accepted, on a very tight contract. You're more than welcome to wait for someone to pay you a generous salary a year in advance and then make you famous, but if you hold your breath for it you'll die. And if you don't hold your breath for it you'll get sick of Ramen sooner or later.

What? no ones asking for a generous salary, or payout. I never said it doesn't take risk. Just something worth the risk.
$150 is not enough to take the risk of spec work of a 2048×1536 res fantasy game splash scene where we are not even sure what we are drawing is in line with whatever game idea you have in your head.



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I prefer to make things tailored specifically to the project at hand., that way they can license it for whatever they want fully

You're not that cool yet. In order for you to be that cool you have to first be an artist. You're not an artist, not yet. Are you gonna be one or are you gonna just go the way of that other failure (ie, moltenmich)?
Thats unfair. Like I said, Ive done a few tiny freelance projects for companies before.
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June 18, 2013, 07:17:54 PM
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I believe the point being made is, one does not count as an artist in the context of the competition until one submits a piece of artwork; otherwise they're just an onlooker, so to speak.

If we're all going to stop deliberately misunderstanding each other, we might as well just request the thread be locked.

You can request whatever to your heart's content. Makes about the same difference.

Here or on your blog?

It's not my blog, it's MPs blog. I mean okay, I get it, you're new, as far as you're concerned all the names on the screen are equal and the same, names on the screen, composing a really flat reality. This however is not a fact, just an artifact reflecting your candor.

$150 is not enough to take the risk of spec work of a 2048x1536 res fantasy game splash scene where we are not even sure what we are drawing is in line with whatever game idea you have in your head.

You're not required to guess what's in my head (I don't even have any magic powers in this project) or anyone else's for that matter. You are required to come up with something, from your own head. I mean okay, I get it, it's rare for this to happen irl, but that rare doesn't mean never. It's happening right now.

Honestly you should have offered a much smaller payout for that, and a higher payout for this contest. This one takes more work.

Sooo I say payout has no relation, and bring as proof an actual instance where less work with generous payout (March BTC ~= 2.5 June BTC) failed to go anywhere. Your answer to this is that...wait. Did you even logically consider what's going on here? Not really, huh.

Stop focusing on management details, such as what the payout is and how MP structures things. It's obviously not your strong point. You say you're an artist, do that then, do it well, complain if you're mistreated and after you're mistreated rather than before on the grounds that you might be.

Now that I call fair.

I feel like there should be a way to use a blockchain to store game state, which would probably win over all the altcoin fans, but I'm not quite sure it'd make sense.

I feel like all the clueless/idiotic people gravitating around Bitcoin are really the same one person somehow amplified by mirrorwork, and it just keeps repeating the same stupid nonsense. Suddenly the Hercules and Hydra parable becomes very very meaningful to me.

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June 18, 2013, 07:19:54 PM
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$150 is not enough to take the risk of spec work of a 2048×1536 res fantasy game splash scene where we are not even sure what we are drawing is in line with whatever game idea you have in your head.


Are you sure?

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June 18, 2013, 08:38:35 PM
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For the record I was not trying to imply anything negative specifically about this assignment.  For the right illustrator/artist this could be a perfect project to work on despite that it's a contest. I'm not one of those people saying no one should ever do spec.  I openly mentioned I'm participating in a couple contests as I type this. The reason I brought up the other option is that I've found it works better and I read the original article and noticed MP was already having that discussion.

Sorry I came off as a pretentious entitled douche. When I said that there is talent, I was actually thinking about how there are a bunch of amazing illustrators in the services section. Didn't mean me.

I don't think anyone should slave away for 22 hours. I believe there is balance, and that if it's something you love, you're not slaving away at all. I do believe in hard work however. I do not just sit on my ass. And I believe discussing my profession is important and worth spending time on.

BUT I should not have hijacked your thread to do so.



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June 18, 2013, 08:39:54 PM
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Are you sure?

At this rate greyhawk will end up an NPC in the game.

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June 18, 2013, 09:07:07 PM
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Are you sure?

At this rate greyhawk will end up an NPC in the game.

Oooh, can I break the 4th wall?

Because if so I'd like to have the following text, while Lonely Island plays in the background:

I'm in a game, I'm in a game
Everybody look at me
'Cause I'm featured in a game
I'm in a game, I'm in a game
Take a good hard look
At the motherfucking game

I'm in a game motherfucker, take a look at me
Straight flowing moves, plus five agility,
Busting bad guys, HUD spelling out my name,
You can't stop me motherfucker, 'cause I'm in a game

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Here or on your blog?

It's not my blog, it's MPs blog. I mean okay, I get it, you're new, as far as you're concerned all the names on the screen are equal and the same, names on the screen, composing a really flat reality. This however is not a fact, just an artifact reflecting your candor.
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Sooo I say payout has no relation, and bring as proof an actual instance where less work with generous payout (March BTC ~= 2.5 June BTC) failed to go anywhere. Your answer to this is that...wait. Did you even logically consider what's going on here? Not really, huh.

You didnt answer my question. I asked if you advertised the contest here or your blog. My point was that I doubt many artists frequent your blog, because it looks like more of a financial business thing. Obviously where you advertise your contest makes a big difference, and that's probably a factor in why you got barely any entries. Anybody I know would jump at a contest for 10btc for photoshopping someone into a picture. You should have posted it here, you would have had so many entries you wouldn't know what to do with them.

Then again, I looked at the 3 small drawings contest and I was surprised at the small amount of entries there too. I would have entered the shit out of it if I had saw it, the same with the rape contest. I guess there's not that many bitcoin artists in general. I wonder why you thought this splash screen contest would get more entries, though, with much less payout and a much more difficult project?

That thread is another good reason why spec work is usually bad though... there were a few decent unicorn entries and you didn't like any of them. Whats good is subjective, so its up to your whim.


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Stop focusing on management details, such as what the payout is and how MP structures things. It's obviously not your strong point. You say you're an artist, do that then, do it well, complain if you're mistreated and after you're mistreated rather than before on the grounds that you might be.

And you don't complain that artists are lazy and entitled if people dont want to enter your contest. I'm done here, I just think we will have to disagree. How long is this contest open for?
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June 18, 2013, 09:20:41 PM
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Oooh, can I break the 4th wall?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. However, if you don't like sir Reginald Greyhawk you can propose a first name of your choice.

Unless, of course, you're about to propose Iminagameiminagameeverybodylookatme.

I don't think anyone should slave away for 22 hours. I believe there is balance, and that if it's something you love, you're not slaving away at all. I do believe in hard work however. I do not just sit on my ass. And I believe discussing my profession is important and worth spending time on.

Sokay, it's the Internet you know? People get ambushed all the time and somehow magically nobody dies of it.

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Oooh, can I break the 4th wall?

Let's not get ahead of ourselves. However, if you don't like sir Reginald Greyhawk you can propose a first name of your choice.



I like that, it's a fitting name for a bridge troll with a monocle and tophat.
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June 18, 2013, 09:27:05 PM
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You didnt answer my question. I asked if you advertised the contest here or your blog.

Well for fuck's sake, I tell you it's not my blog you just repeat it verbatim? Why did your mommy make you so fucking stupid?

Take this for instance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160858.msg1704190#msg1704190 and you can probably find it on twitter and on reddit and anywhere else retards (like you) gather. What difference does it make anyway? The idea isn't that there's some sort of agglomeration of competence on bitcointalk that's somehow magically insulated from the (much more widely read) rest of the Internet. At least I would hope you grok as much.

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June 18, 2013, 09:34:30 PM
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I wonder why you thought this splash screen contest would get more entries, though, with much less payout and a much more difficult project?


You do not seem to understand what is at stake between the two "contests". The first one had a payout of 10 btc. The second one has a payout of 1.3 btc to the winner, and further amounts and work for anybody deemed to have talent.

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btw

You are the most unconventional PR rep I've ever encountered. lol

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June 18, 2013, 09:50:16 PM
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The first one had a payout of 10 btc.

Actually to be precise it had a total payout of 15.1337 BTC. From the blogpost in question:

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I am going to reward your efforts, in Bitcoin. Specifically: the best entrant will receive 10 BTC, the 2nd best will receive 3 BTC and the 3rd and 4th best 1 BTC each. Also the 7th best will receive .1337 BTC, to keep things interesting.

Anyway, for the sake of theory I've put in the work in to dig up the respective twitter announcements. The April contest: 0 retweets, 0 favorites, 1 reply. This contest: 146 retweets, 1 favorite, 0 replies. The difference might be explained by this one including a "please RT" call to action, maybe. I ain't doing the reddit digging tho.

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You are the most unconventional PR rep I've ever encountered. lol

Yes, it's one of those things Bitcoin is famous for. Sorta like Naples has the leaning tower and Pizza has the pepperoni and cheese. Or whatever.

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You didnt answer my question. I asked if you advertised the contest here or your blog.

Well for fuck's sake, I tell you it's not my blog you just repeat it verbatim? Why did your mommy make you so fucking stupid?

Take this for instance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160858.msg1704190#msg1704190 and you can probably find it on twitter and on reddit and anywhere else retards (like you) gather. What difference does it make anyway? The idea isn't that there's some sort of agglomeration of competence on bitcointalk that's somehow magically insulated from the (much more widely read) rest of the Internet. At least I would hope you grok as much.

Ah. Dem insults. your blog, MPs blog, whatever, I got it the first time. Concept is still the same.


You do not seem to understand what is at stake between the two "contests". The first one had a payout of 10 btc. The second one has a payout of 1.3 btc to the winner, and further amounts and work for anybody deemed to have talent.

yea yea i got that

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You are the most unconventional PR rep I've ever encountered. lol

10/10 pr rep id rather have that then political correctness all day
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You didnt answer my question. I asked if you advertised the contest here or your blog.

Well for fuck's sake, I tell you it's not my blog you just repeat it verbatim? Why did your mommy make you so fucking stupid?

Take this for instance: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=160858.msg1704190#msg1704190 and you can probably find it on twitter and on reddit and anywhere else retards (like you) gather. What difference does it make anyway? The idea isn't that there's some sort of agglomeration of competence on bitcointalk that's somehow magically insulated from the (much more widely read) rest of the Internet. At least I would hope you grok as much.

Ah. Dem insults. your blog, MPs blog, whatever, I got it the first time. Concept is still the same.


You do not seem to understand what is at stake between the two "contests". The first one had a payout of 10 btc. The second one has a payout of 1.3 btc to the winner, and further amounts and work for anybody deemed to have talent.

yea yea i got that

btw

You are the most unconventional PR rep I've ever encountered. lol

10/10 pr rep id rather have that then political correctness all day

Wtf fuck is wrong with the world these days. Aren't you supposed to provoke me into an Internetduel now that I've soiled your Internethonor?! Psscccchhht.

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June 19, 2013, 11:23:38 AM
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I Humbly submit Greyhawk as an NPC. Also an SVU person. And a crayon Artist.


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I Humbly submit Greyhawk as an NPC. Also an SVU person. And a crayon Artist.

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