[ANN][ICO] «Envion» Most Profitable Self-Expanding Crypto Infrastructure

[Saschaman]

Do we know anything on what exchanges will list envion?

It will list on HitBTC shortly after ICO. Later in january there will be more exchanges announced.

I doubt this as HitBTC does not want any security tokens because theyr legal framwwork does not allow this, is there any statement from HitBTC about this anywhere ?

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[fivemarcus]

congratulations to the envion team.
The website is very well bearing the high user load.
It 's true that there was a slippage of the opening hours of the ICO, but once opened, the site has not had any slowdown or problem, and even the verification has been quite fast.

[liquidcryptos]

As I said before, Envion are not the first one, producing Mobile Mining Units - Bitfury are long ago in the business.
Second, the hardware - they are planing to use Antminer 9S, the most popular ASIC miner, but more than year old model. New miner producing company will flood the market with new 16 Terahashes miner in March 2018, which means Bitmain most likely will be ready with Antminer 11S around that time. That means Envion will spend their money for old equipment.
They were very optimistic they can beat Bancor’s ICO, but it is not so easy...
One little red flag - why you need to send your money BEFORE the KYC process. The rest of the world is doing the opposite

Hi there. How do you know what miners they are planning on using. We could guess that its the antminer  s9.. which does  14th.. you are assuming that the S11, with just 13% more power is somehow going to change everything and reduce the profit dramatically? That doesnt make sense. Also they will be continuously producing Mining units, so will be producing with whatever produces the best TH/$ right?
THe KYC thing, I have seen many ico's do it  that way. they dont want the issue of sending photos and verifying lowering a persons chance of being a part of the ICO, that makes sense to me.

That's like very obvious if you read their whitepaper.

They are planning to use 13.5 th/s ASICs which to this date considering quantity they want could only be s9 bitmain antminers.
They are also planning to use Radeon 460 x13 rigs on linux (about 10.6 mh/s + 85 watts per GPU they have listed on also gives you the idea)

I planned to invest initially but now that all this is up... I am truly amazed how many people invest without even looking up the basic facts.

"All this is up.."
Huh? What are you referring to? I follow Envion fairly closely and this forum and I dont see anything that would stop me from investing. Please elaborate. Did you read my previous posts? There is a huge profit opportunity in mining, period. Let alone increasing that using cheaper energy.

[liquidcryptos]

Found similar transaction 1.49 ether but that guy got 1,488.018940551 EVN!!!

https://etherscan.io/tx/0xe20d72a810becc31af0651ef5c8e2c7de1f04a134e2da54bf0be1ea580540a34
https://etherscan.io/token/0xd780ae2bf04cd96e577d3d014762f831d97129d0?a=0x94a057cd2a9e87b7192c4b32a59a70989975d13f

vs Mine:
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x185ed19b3c54981ca85f2e2579f411ee1c2fc1276e7310fe01ad063f3476fd90
https://etherscan.io/token/0xd780ae2bf04cd96e577d3d014762f831d97129d0?a=0xea72f6cb3fab0b86506c8f31dcaa8562145e15d1

If this is a bug, I hope others are not affected and they fix this ASAP.

I already invested with 1.46 Ether tx (0x185ed19b3c54981ca85f2e2579f411ee1c2fc1276e7310fe01ad063f3476fd90)

But I only got 145 EVN (0xd780ae2bf04cd96e577d3d014762f831d97129d0?a=0xea72f6cb3fab0b86506c8f31dcaa8562145e15d1)

What is going on here? I should receive (= approx. 1,470.6 EVN *)

Where is the rest of my EVN tokens?

DayTradeC1.. you are correct, there is a bug. I spoke with the MOd's.. go to Telegram chat and SPeak with Cory or Laurent. Send a public message, and also  a DM. make sure its the actual admin cause there are fakes in there scamming people (just dont give any private info, you shouldnt have to).

[AzakeB]

Found similar transaction 1.49 ether but that guy got 1,488.018940551 EVN!!!

https://etherscan.io/tx/0xe20d72a810becc31af0651ef5c8e2c7de1f04a134e2da54bf0be1ea580540a34
https://etherscan.io/token/0xd780ae2bf04cd96e577d3d014762f831d97129d0?a=0x94a057cd2a9e87b7192c4b32a59a70989975d13f

vs Mine:
https://etherscan.io/tx/0x185ed19b3c54981ca85f2e2579f411ee1c2fc1276e7310fe01ad063f3476fd90
https://etherscan.io/token/0xd780ae2bf04cd96e577d3d014762f831d97129d0?a=0xea72f6cb3fab0b86506c8f31dcaa8562145e15d1

If this is a bug, I hope others are not affected and they fix this ASAP.

I already invested with 1.46 Ether tx (0x185ed19b3c54981ca85f2e2579f411ee1c2fc1276e7310fe01ad063f3476fd90)

But I only got 145 EVN (0xd780ae2bf04cd96e577d3d014762f831d97129d0?a=0xea72f6cb3fab0b86506c8f31dcaa8562145e15d1)

What is going on here? I should receive (= approx. 1,470.6 EVN *)

Where is the rest of my EVN tokens?

DayTradeC1.. you are correct, there is a bug. I spoke with the MOd's.. go to Telegram chat and SPeak with Cory or Laurent. Send a public message, and also  a DM. make sure its the actual admin cause there are fakes in there scamming people (just dont give any private info, you shouldnt have to).

Again: Did you check your MEW Wallet, if you have chosen the right Decimals = 18?
Else Envion will help you of course.

EDIT: Ok I see. Contact Envion. They are hardworking to make everyone satisfied. There will a solution.

[JHtoko]

As I said before, Envion are not the first one, producing Mobile Mining Units - Bitfury are long ago in the business.
Second, the hardware - they are planing to use Antminer 9S, the most popular ASIC miner, but more than year old model. New miner producing company will flood the market with new 16 Terahashes miner in March 2018, which means Bitmain most likely will be ready with Antminer 11S around that time. That means Envion will spend their money for old equipment.
They were very optimistic they can beat Bancor’s ICO, but it is not so easy...
One little red flag - why you need to send your money BEFORE the KYC process. The rest of the world is doing the opposite
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Yes I totally get that we assume that they use the Antminer 9S model. If in the whitepaper that is where they based on their calculations. However, they also state they use an amount of money for research and development. I guess using a newer version of Antminers is considered to fall under development, right?

I think the 150 million is a big cap to achieve and way to much and risky. But that is a gamble we all have to take. If they are making it work and can build a big amount of units and become the leading mining company in Europe. I think all the token holders should be proud to be part of it.

In the end we will see what happens.

[caleb150]

How long is the KYC verification. Mine is still spinning for a day.

[matale0]

There was cryptocompare api bug

[liquidcryptos]

As I said before, Envion are not the first one, producing Mobile Mining Units - Bitfury are long ago in the business.
Second, the hardware - they are planing to use Antminer 9S, the most popular ASIC miner, but more than year old model. New miner producing company will flood the market with new 16 Terahashes miner in March 2018, which means Bitmain most likely will be ready with Antminer 11S around that time. That means Envion will spend their money for old equipment.
They were very optimistic they can beat Bancor’s ICO, but it is not so easy...
One little red flag - why you need to send your money BEFORE the KYC process. The rest of the world is doing the opposite

Yes I totally get that we assume that they use the Antminer 9S model. If in the whitepaper that is where they based on their calculations. However, they also state they use an amount of money for research and development. I guess using a newer version of Antminers is considered to fall under development, right?
The model/calculations were just to forecast, its not their gameplan for the next 3 years to use s9. the will do wharever makes the most money at the time and forecasted. of course they will be on top of the latest tech and weight the cost/benefit. 16 TH vs 14TH is not going to make or break it. I use older GPU's that are slower but the cost is more efficient, and even if it wasnt its not a big deal for me, the profit gap is HUUUUGEE. of course i would expect envion to save and calculate the most efficient way to mine, but again, they are not robots or idiots, they will push to be as competetive as possible

I think the 150 million is a big cap to achieve and way to much and risky. But that is a gamble we all have to take. If they are making it work and can build a big amount of units and become the leading mining company in Europe. I think all the token holders should be proud to be part of it.
Your statement is unfounded that 150 million is "way too much and risky", why is 150 million risky and 50 million is not?  They are only producing the MMU's when they have contracts in place and can use them, they are not dummies, its not a hard feat, its simply forecasting and knowing your space and using the money to produce more money.. they wont take 100 million and just produce more MMUs simply because they have more $, they will produce the MMU's when they have contracts at the ready, or can run the unit

In the end we will see what happens.
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[Xandan]

Still so few weeks and this project made its way among top raised money for this year. This speed of investment in this will keep increasing with the passage of time. There was real potential and it is all its effect which took the raised funds to this level. It will close at great success.

[AzakeB]

As I said before, Envion are not the first one, producing Mobile Mining Units - Bitfury are long ago in the business.
Second, the hardware - they are planing to use Antminer 9S, the most popular ASIC miner, but more than year old model. New miner producing company will flood the market with new 16 Terahashes miner in March 2018, which means Bitmain most likely will be ready with Antminer 11S around that time. That means Envion will spend their money for old equipment.
They were very optimistic they can beat Bancor’s ICO, but it is not so easy...
One little red flag - why you need to send your money BEFORE the KYC process. The rest of the world is doing the opposite

Yes I totally get that we assume that they use the Antminer 9S model. If in the whitepaper that is where they based on their calculations. However, they also state they use an amount of money for research and development. I guess using a newer version of Antminers is considered to fall under development, right?
The model/calculations were just to forecast, its not their gameplan for the next 3 years to use s9. the will do wharever makes the most money at the time and forecasted. of course they will be on top of the latest tech and weight the cost/benefit. 16 TH vs 14TH is not going to make or break it. I use older GPU's that are slower but the cost is more efficient, and even if it wasnt its not a big deal for me, the profit gap is HUUUUGEE. of course i would expect envion to save and calculate the most efficient way to mine, but again, they are not robots or idiots, they will push to be as competetive as possible

I think the 150 million is a big cap to achieve and way to much and risky. But that is a gamble we all have to take. If they are making it work and can build a big amount of units and become the leading mining company in Europe. I think all the token holders should be proud to be part of it.
Your statement is unfounded that 150 million is "way too much and risky", why is 150 million risky and 50 million is not?  They are only producing the MMU's when they have contracts in place and can use them, they are not dummies, its not a hard feat, its simply forecasting and knowing your space and using the money to produce more money.. they wont take 100 million and just produce more MMUs simply because they have more $, they will produce the MMU's when they have contracts at the ready, or can run the unit

In the end we will see what happens.

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I appreciate your argumentation. It seems you are one of the few who are not thinking in a small frame. The most significant point you have mentioned is that Envion never said they will stick with S9 Antminer for the next 3 years. They will adapt, they will R&D and they will use 25% for reinvesting. So if somewhere in 2018 new Antminer models or whatever technology released they will consider it, calculate and invest, if viable.

[Dron Pelya]

150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.

[AzakeB]

150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.

Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.

[rusmana62]

150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.

Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.

great project and handled by the experts, yes we wait for their surprise because I think this will be a very successful project

[liquidcryptos]

150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.

Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.

Remember: Hardcap is not something they need to reach, as a matter of fact, we want them NOT to reach that level. If they have higher hardcap that means more tokens and your profit will be diluted. Especially because at first they will not be able to deploy all MMU's.

[ceaa]

150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.

Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.

Matthias himself in an interview expected to raise between 10-60m. They never expected to hit the hard cap. But this is a SCALABLE project which benefits with more economies of SCALE. So it behooves them to have a high hard cap, even if they cannot reach it. This is much unlike other ICO projects, where the team have to cut back on projects if they don't hit the hard cap.

[the_hodler]

150 million is really big hard cap. And I think team of this project will haven't been raising the hard cap ahead of schedule.

Yes it seems far away, but don't underestimate the CEO Matthias Woestmann and its Team. There might come big news during the ICO.

Matthias himself in an interview expected to raise between 10-60m. They never expected to hit the hard cap. But this is a SCALABLE project which benefits with more economies of SCALE. So it behooves them to have a high hard cap, even if they cannot reach it. This is much unlike other ICO projects, where the team have to cut back on projects if they don't hit the hard cap.

Apologies if I misinterpreted the last line in your post. Are you suggesting that if the hard cap is not met, then the Envion team will need to cut back on their projects. Just want to clarify.

[AllCoinHunter]

Looks like this project already shows success in sight. who follows this project is very busy, of course, this project is certainly very good and not too late to try to invest into this interesting project.

[Delota]

Can someone explain what this line exactly means?

EVN tokens are not offered to subscribers acting in their capacity as consumer. Token can only be acquired by entrepreneurs acting in exercise of his or its trade, business or profession. I hereby confirm by completing the online subscription form that I do not act in my capacity as consumer.

As the whitepaper states:

A consumer means every natural person who enters into a legal transaction for purposes that predominantly are
outside his trade, business or profession (the “Consumer”).

Does that mean only companies can buy in?

Aren't we all consumers?

[cybercash]

Do we know anything on what exchanges will list envion?

It will list on HitBTC shortly after ICO. Later in january there will be more exchanges announced.

I doubt this as HitBTC does not want any security tokens because theyr legal framwwork does not allow this, is there any statement from HitBTC about this anywhere ?

So you can speak for HitBTC? This information is fact and comes straight from the admin of the Telegram Channel. As far as I know even HitBTC approached Envion directly to list them!