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June 15, 2013, 10:12:20 PM
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Just conjecture, but I've never posted a "who is Satoshi?" thread before. This possibility needed its own thread.

Tatsuaki Okamoto:

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Fields: Security & Privacy, Electrical & Electronic Engineering, Algorithms & Theory


His intensive use of C++. I've heard said he codes in the style of an 80's/90's coder, though someone could tell me different if they know.

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June 15, 2013, 10:22:07 PM
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Just conjecture, but I've never posted a "who is Satoshi?" thread before. This possibility needed its own thread.

Tatsuaki Okamoto:

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http://academic.research.microsoft.com/Author/1002804/tatsuaki-okamoto

Fields: Security & Privacy, Electrical & Electronic Engineering, Algorithms & Theory


His intensive use of C++. I've heard said he codes in the style of an 80's/90's coder, though someone could tell me different if they know.

Tatsuaki Okamoto: Computer Science Bibiliography


It's him.  Now let's leave him to his privacy.
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June 15, 2013, 10:33:27 PM
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Someone should probably ask him how many coins he has. He might know a thing or two about MtGox also:

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June 15, 2013, 11:41:34 PM
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Has anyone seen this article before: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

Apparently written by three employees of the NSA. Also interesting is one of the referenced authors at the bottom is Tatsuaki Okamoto, very similiar to the claimed creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto.

What's interesting is how much the offline section of the paper sounds exactly like MintChip.

So it's possible the Canadian Mint made this connection rather quickly.  Did they have some help, from someone involved in Bitcoin perhaps?

It's also possible that the creator(s) of Bitcoin were familiar with Okamoto, and simply chose a similar pseudonym.

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June 15, 2013, 11:51:57 PM
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It's also possible that the creator(s) of Bitcoin were familiar with Okamoto, and simply chose a similar pseudonym.

It's possible.

Does the name Satoshi Obana mean anything to anyone?
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June 16, 2013, 12:00:09 AM
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Has anyone seen this article before: http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm

Apparently written by three employees of the NSA. Also interesting is one of the referenced authors at the bottom is Tatsuaki Okamoto, very similiar to the claimed creator of Bitcoin, Satoshi Nakamoto.

What's interesting is how much the offline section of the paper sounds exactly like MintChip.

So it's possible the Canadian Mint made this connection rather quickly.  Did they have some help, from someone involved in Bitcoin perhaps?

It's also possible that the creator(s) of Bitcoin were familiar with Okamoto, and simply chose a similar pseudonym.

and satoshi nakamoto translates to clear thinking inside the foundation. a guy who works for the nsa would fit that perfectly.

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June 16, 2013, 12:16:29 AM
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and satoshi nakamoto translates to clear thinking inside the foundation. a guy who works for the nsa would fit that perfectly.

Or a guy that works for the largest telecomm in the world.
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June 16, 2013, 01:43:23 AM
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I think things are now pointing to the theory that Satoshi Nakamoto was a completely contrived pseudonym, created by a person or persons familiar with the works of cryptographers Satoshi Obana + Tatsuaki Okamoto.
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June 16, 2013, 01:55:59 AM
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There is also this:

"An Efficient Divisible Electronic Cash Scheme"

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-44750-4_35

I only glanced but it basically talks about making a crypto currency with RSA...
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June 16, 2013, 02:02:16 AM
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I think someone needs to find Tatsuaki Okamoto and conduct an interview.  Bounty, anyone?  

It's much more likely that Satoshi was a contrived name, as opposed to Satoshi actually being Tatsuaki Okamoto or Satoshi Obana.  I can see someone familiar with the works of Satoshi Obana and Tatsuaki Okamoto deriving the name from a combination of the two.

I'm very surprised, however, that there hasn't been a single mention of Tatsuaki Okamoto on these forums until now.  The guy's last name is Okamoto, and he published works focused directly on cryptocurrencies... I mean, come on.

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June 16, 2013, 07:10:03 AM
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There is also this:

"An Efficient Divisible Electronic Cash Scheme"

http://link.springer.com/chapter/10.1007%2F3-540-44750-4_35

I only glanced but it basically talks about making a crypto currency with RSA...

Things like this are the underlying principles of smart card payment networks. Like Suica in Japan and Oyster in London.

Although this paper uses rather fancy techniques, the general concept is far behind Bitcoin; it is a scheme that merely allows people to prove their balances in banks and sign their transfers, of a centralized currency where the main service nodes (banks) have the final authority of whatever can happen. There are many other people who do this kind of research.

I also took a glance at his publications, and I see that his work is much more delicate than Bitcoin, while none of it resembles any kind of interest in something that could relate to P2P cryptocurrency protocols. I also have a hunch that Okamoto is a better mathematician than Satoshi Nakamoto, comparing Okamoto's papers to "that" bitcoin.pdf.
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June 16, 2013, 08:26:50 AM
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There might be a possibility that discovering who Satoshi Nakamoto really is could destroy bitcoin.

Let's imagine that this Tatsuaki Okamoto is the one, with ties to the NSA. What would the Chinese and the Russian think of bitcoin about a NSA created cryptocurrency (with maybe millions of already created bitcoins on the national treasure).

That could destroy worldwide adoption.

Beware of your desires (like knowing who is satoshi) because could become true.
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June 16, 2013, 09:35:59 AM
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sorry I'm just curious, is it really important we know who satoshi is? Even if someone did know with absolute certainty, who he is... Would he/she even reveal him/her to the world?

I mean think about it. Satoshi gave us this amazing technology. Would anyone really want to expose satoshi's identity? Satoshi invented crytocurrency. A huge part of cryptocurrency is anonymity. The anonymity is there for a reason: Satoshi wants to left alone. Why persue knowing who he/she is?

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June 16, 2013, 09:38:49 AM
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It will be interesting to know who he is, but it is not important to know.  If he wants to be out, he will be out himself, why is there so many wild guesses going on?  Just leave him alone.
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June 16, 2013, 09:42:48 AM
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No matter who Satoshi is, uncovering his identity is likely a bad thing for Bitcoin, which is sad not for Bitcoin as an investment, but Bitcoin as a transformative technology.

That being said, there will always be someone who simply must know and I'm grateful for that impulse in general. Curiosity is a great human drive; it's one of those things that makes life worth living. In the case of Bitcoin, however, there are few answers that would not in some way subject the currency to the credibility of a single man. I can't help but hope Satoshi Nakamoto, whoever he is, covered his trace well enough to never be discovered.
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June 16, 2013, 09:54:57 AM
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No matter who Satoshi is, uncovering his identity is likely a bad thing for Bitcoin, which is sad not for Bitcoin as an investment, but Bitcoin as a transformative technology.

That being said, there will always be someone who simply must know and I'm grateful for that impulse in general. Curiosity is a great human drive; it's one of those things that makes life worth living. In the case of Bitcoin, however, there are few answers that would not in some way subject the currency to the credibility of a single man. I can't help but hope Satoshi Nakamoto, whoever he is, covered his trace well enough to never be discovered.

 I hope to god he covered his tracks as well.

But if he ever is discovered, what do you think  would happen to faith in Bitcoin?

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June 16, 2013, 10:21:29 AM
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No matter who Satoshi is, uncovering his identity is likely a bad thing for Bitcoin, which is sad not for Bitcoin as an investment, but Bitcoin as a transformative technology.

That being said, there will always be someone who simply must know and I'm grateful for that impulse in general. Curiosity is a great human drive; it's one of those things that makes life worth living. In the case of Bitcoin, however, there are few answers that would not in some way subject the currency to the credibility of a single man. I can't help but hope Satoshi Nakamoto, whoever he is, covered his trace well enough to never be discovered.

 I hope to god he covered his tracks as well.

But if he ever is discovered, what do you think  would happen to faith in Bitcoin?

Actually i think unconvering him will be bad for bitcoin. We humans have many weaknesses. Maybe he follows a specific politic path, or maybe he is from a specific country some other countries are suspicious of and that might be enough to lose BILLIONS of followers. Maybe he is alcoholic or has any kind of weakness. A creator perpetually on the magazines will only be bad for bitcoin. He might have a lover or two or who cares. I think it is better if he is a ghost. I seriously don't care where he goes on holidays. He for sure is not an angel or a perfect human. Also many people just viewing satoshi nakamoto's face alone will just not like him. It is human nature. Leave him alone.

Actually people talks a lot about how antifragile bitcoin is. I think it is really fragile. Let's imagine that USA wants to destroy bitcoin. They will only have to create a movie (like the movie about facebook) about satoshi nakamoto and how CIA created the coin. or instead of a movie, just create four or five docs on national greographic about it. Even being a lie, millions would avoid bitcoin only on the suspicion that CIA created it with some hidden reason. Just give it two or three oscars after that and you will have widespread adoption of the bitcoin cia origins. Billions might not like to move from petrodollar to Cia's coin.

Leave him alone.
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June 16, 2013, 11:13:49 AM
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhwkcdlyvHE
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June 16, 2013, 11:31:11 AM
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Tatsuaki Okamoto out of the suggested people definitely has the best chances so far to be Satoshi, there are a whole lot of similarities.
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June 16, 2013, 11:33:52 AM
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we must come in contact with him
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