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June 27, 2013, 02:07:23 AM |
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June 27, 2013, 02:22:07 AM |
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10/10. That's a good one; I'll be sharing it.
I would love to hear from people who don't get 10/10 and explain at which step it becomes moral, and why.
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June 27, 2013, 04:15:35 PM |
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10/10. That's a good one; I'll be sharing it.
I would love to hear from people who don't get 10/10 and explain at which step it becomes moral, and why.
I do as well, there are certainly people out there who do not agree with #10 who do agree with #1. If you agree with #1 you should agree with the rest. I am more ok with those who believe #1 is moral, at least they are consistent.
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June 27, 2013, 04:24:49 PM Last edit: June 28, 2013, 04:51:47 PM by Elwar |
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1. Would it be morally wrong for you to steal money from me? 2. Would it be morally wrong for you to get someone else to steal from me? 3. Would it be morally wrong if you and a group of people got together to hire someone to steal from me? 4. Would it be morally wrong if you and the large group of people who hire someone to steal from me consisted of the majority of people in the area? 5. Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me? 6. Would it be morally wrong if you and the majority group hired someone to steal from me as long as that person wears a uniform and has an official sounding title? 7. Would it be morally wrong if you and the majority group designated someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as the person designated has an official title and wears nice outfits and works in a nice building? 8. Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as the theft was called a tax or fine? 9. Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as that designation was called a 'vote' and the theft was called a 'tax' or 'fine'. 10. Would it be morally wrong for the majority to elect someone with their votes to hire tax agents and police to go collect taxes from me?
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June 27, 2013, 04:27:03 PM |
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this is genius! i might steal the idea and try to marginally improve it.
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Rep Thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381041If one can not confer upon another a right which he does not himself first possess, by what means does the state derive the right to engage in behaviors from which the public is prohibited?
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June 27, 2013, 04:27:34 PM |
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I find it odd that the last question gets so many No votes after Yes votes for 9. 9) Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as that designation was called a 'vote' and the theft was called a 'tax' or 'fine'.
10) Would it be morally wrong for the majority to elect someone with their votes to hire tax agents and police to go collect taxes from me?
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June 27, 2013, 04:34:37 PM |
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I find it odd that the last question gets so many No votes after Yes votes for 9. 9) Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as that designation was called a 'vote' and the theft was called a 'tax' or 'fine'.
10) Would it be morally wrong for the majority to elect someone with their votes to hire tax agents and police to go collect taxes from me?
It could be the removal of 'you' in connection with the majority, and the resulting disassociation of responsibility it brings on the test taker. Or, it could be that people 'held out' their consent until it looked familiar.
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June 27, 2013, 04:36:59 PM |
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Current results: Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No Yes No Yes No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No Yes No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No Yes Yes Yes No Yes No Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes
It's odd that there aren't any: Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No No No No No or Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No No No
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June 27, 2013, 04:37:12 PM |
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I find it odd that the last question gets so many No votes after Yes votes for 9. 9) Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as that designation was called a 'vote' and the theft was called a 'tax' or 'fine'.
10) Would it be morally wrong for the majority to elect someone with their votes to hire tax agents and police to go collect taxes from me?
It could be the removal of 'you' in connection with the majority, and the resulting disassociation of responsibility it brings on the test taker. Or, it could be that people 'held out' their consent until it looked familiar. True...they probably just see the words 'you' and 'steal' and say it is immoral no matter what. When they reach the end and see something that is societally ok, they are all for it.
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June 27, 2013, 04:38:53 PM |
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It's odd that there aren't any: Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No No No No No or Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No No No The quiz stops once you say No. Basically tells the person why their answer makes no sense I tried to set it up so you could go back to the question but for some reason it did not work.
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June 27, 2013, 04:44:58 PM |
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The whole point of the survey is to try and convince people that taxation is illegal and/or immoral. You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes. How much, and how it applies are whole other cans of worms...
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June 27, 2013, 04:51:24 PM |
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You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes. Why not?
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June 27, 2013, 04:51:31 PM |
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The whole point of the survey is to try and convince people that taxation is illegal and/or immoral. You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes. How much, and how it applies are whole other cans of worms...
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Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.
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June 27, 2013, 04:56:16 PM |
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Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.
The question is not whether taxes are needed. It is whether or not stealing is immoral even if called something else. If you feel that stealing is necessary for society, fine...like Malcolm X saying that the ends justify the means. It is still immoral.
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June 27, 2013, 04:57:45 PM |
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You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes. Why not? If for no other reason than payment to the contractor. He needs $125K per 2 miles, or some such amount. How do you pay him?? Or do we each make 5 feet of the road with some of us not being physically able to??
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June 27, 2013, 04:59:17 PM |
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Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.
The question is not whether taxes are needed. It is whether or not stealing is immoral if called something else. If you feel that stealing is necessary for society, fine...like Malcolm X saying that the ends justify the means. It is still immoral. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It really depends on the case. You can run away from the thieves. It's called emigration however I doubt you'll find a place that doesn't have such thieves.
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June 27, 2013, 05:00:36 PM |
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Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.
The question is not whether taxes are needed. It is whether or not stealing is immoral even if called something else. If you feel that stealing is necessary for society, fine...like Malcolm X saying that the ends justify the means. It is still immoral. It is not stealing if a majority agree. You always have the choice not to pay and hide your cash and go to jail or move somewhere where you don't have taxes(like living on a boat in the middle of the ocean).
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June 27, 2013, 05:02:05 PM |
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Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.
The question is not whether taxes are needed. It is whether or not stealing is immoral even if called something else. If you feel that stealing is necessary for society, fine...like Malcolm X saying that the ends justify the means. It is still immoral. It is not stealing if a majority agree. You always have the choice not to pay and hide your cash and go to jail or move somewhere where you don't have taxes(like living on a boat in the middle of the ocean). Or emigrate to some remote and small country.
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June 27, 2013, 05:02:57 PM |
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You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes. Why not? If for no other reason than payment to the contractor. He needs $125K per 2 miles, or some such amount. How do you pay him?? Or do we each make 5 feet of the road with some of us not being physically able to?? Privatize the roads. We have been stuck with the same road technology for over 100 years. It is time to release the monopoly. Too many people die on the government roads and the whole road concept has stagnated. When the government turned AT&T into a monopoly in the 1930s that pretty much stalled telephone technology. Why did they create a monopoly? Same reasons people give for public roads...everyone needs access to such an important technology, poor people wouldn't be able to have phone service without it, too many phone companies would mean you could use one service but not another. They lifted the monopoly in the 1980s and things have improved dramatically ever since. The same needs to be done with roads. End the government monopoly.
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