What do you believe is moral?

[Elwar]

Take this quick 10 (or less) question morality survey.

http://kwiksurveys.com/s.asp?sid=9fgng77f80xbtr9177028


Tell us how far you got.

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[Foxpup]

10/10

[wdmw]

10/10.  That's a good one; I'll be sharing it.

I would love to hear from people who don't get 10/10 and explain at which step it becomes moral, and why.

[Elwar]

10/10.  That's a good one; I'll be sharing it.

I would love to hear from people who don't get 10/10 and explain at which step it becomes moral, and why.

I do as well, there are certainly people out there who do not agree with #10 who do agree with #1.

If you agree with #1 you should agree with the rest. I am more ok with those who believe #1 is moral, at least they are consistent.

[Elwar]

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1. Would it be morally wrong for you to steal money from me?   
2. Would it be morally wrong for you to get someone else to steal from me?   
3. Would it be morally wrong if you and a group of people got together to hire someone to steal from me?   
4. Would it be morally wrong if you and the large group of people who hire someone to steal from me consisted of the majority of people in the area?   
5. Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me?   
6. Would it be morally wrong if you and the majority group hired someone to steal from me as long as that person wears a uniform and has an official sounding title?   
7. Would it be morally wrong if you and the majority group designated someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as the person designated has an official title and wears nice outfits and works in a nice building?   
8. Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as the theft was called a tax or fine?   
9. Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as that designation was called a 'vote' and the theft was called a 'tax' or 'fine'.   
10. Would it be morally wrong for the majority to elect someone with their votes to hire tax agents and police to go collect taxes from me?

[Anon136]

Take this quick 10 (or less) question morality survey.

http://kwiksurveys.com/s.asp?sid=9fgng77f80xbtr9177028


Tell us how far you got.

this is genius! i might steal the idea and try to marginally improve it.

[Elwar]

I find it odd that the last question gets so many No votes after Yes votes for 9.
9) Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as that designation was called a 'vote' and the theft was called a 'tax' or 'fine'.

10) Would it be morally wrong for the majority to elect someone with their votes to hire tax agents and police to go collect taxes from me?

[wdmw]

I find it odd that the last question gets so many No votes after Yes votes for 9.
9) Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as that designation was called a 'vote' and the theft was called a 'tax' or 'fine'.

10) Would it be morally wrong for the majority to elect someone with their votes to hire tax agents and police to go collect taxes from me?

It could be the removal of 'you' in connection with the majority, and the resulting disassociation of responsibility it brings on the test taker.  Or, it could be that people 'held out' their consent until it looked familiar.

[wdmw]

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It's odd that there aren't any:

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No No No No No

or

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No No No

[Elwar]

I find it odd that the last question gets so many No votes after Yes votes for 9.
9) Would it be morally wrong for you and the majority group to designate someone to hire someone to steal from me as long as that designation was called a 'vote' and the theft was called a 'tax' or 'fine'.

10) Would it be morally wrong for the majority to elect someone with their votes to hire tax agents and police to go collect taxes from me?

It could be the removal of 'you' in connection with the majority, and the resulting disassociation of responsibility it brings on the test taker.  Or, it could be that people 'held out' their consent until it looked familiar.

True...they probably just see the words 'you' and 'steal' and say it is immoral no matter what. When they reach the end and see something that is societally ok, they are all for it.

[Elwar]

It's odd that there aren't any:

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No No No No No

or

Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes Yes No No No

The quiz stops once you say No. Basically tells the person why their answer makes no sense

I tried to set it up so you could go back to the question but for some reason it did not work.

[FiatKiller]

The whole point of the survey is to try and convince people that taxation is illegal and/or immoral. You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes. How much, and how it applies are whole other cans of worms...

9/10

[Elwar]

You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes.

Why not?

[mprep]

The whole point of the survey is to try and convince people that taxation is illegal and/or immoral. You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes. How much, and how it applies are whole other cans of worms...

9/10

Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.

[Elwar]

Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.

The question is not whether taxes are needed. It is whether or not stealing is immoral even if called something else.

If you feel that stealing is necessary for society, fine...like Malcolm X saying that the ends justify the means. It is still immoral.

[FiatKiller]

You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes.

Why not?

If for no other reason than payment to the contractor. He needs $125K per 2 miles, or some such amount. How do you pay him??  Or do we each make 5 feet of the road with some of us not being physically able to??

[mprep]

Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.

The question is not whether taxes are needed. It is whether or not stealing is immoral if called something else.

If you feel that stealing is necessary for society, fine...like Malcolm X saying that the ends justify the means. It is still immoral.

Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't. It really depends on the case. You can run away from the thieves. It's called emigration however I doubt you'll find a place that doesn't have such thieves.

[FiatKiller]

Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.

The question is not whether taxes are needed. It is whether or not stealing is immoral even if called something else.

If you feel that stealing is necessary for society, fine...like Malcolm X saying that the ends justify the means. It is still immoral.

It is not stealing if a majority agree. You always have the choice not to pay and hide your cash and go to jail or move somewhere where you don't have taxes(like living on a boat in the middle of the ocean).

[mprep]

Same. I stopped at taxes. And taxes are needed unless we want a complete anarchy.

The question is not whether taxes are needed. It is whether or not stealing is immoral even if called something else.

If you feel that stealing is necessary for society, fine...like Malcolm X saying that the ends justify the means. It is still immoral.

It is not stealing if a majority agree. You always have the choice not to pay and hide your cash and go to jail or move somewhere where you don't have taxes(like living on a boat in the middle of the ocean).

Or emigrate to some remote and small country.

[Elwar]

You cannot run society (building roads, etc.) without some taxes.

Why not?

If for no other reason than payment to the contractor. He needs $125K per 2 miles, or some such amount. How do you pay him??  Or do we each make 5 feet of the road with some of us not being physically able to??

Privatize the roads. We have been stuck with the same road technology for over 100 years. It is time to release the monopoly. Too many people die on the government roads and the whole road concept has stagnated.

When the government turned AT&T into a monopoly in the 1930s that pretty much stalled telephone technology. Why did they create a monopoly? Same reasons people give for public roads...everyone needs access to such an important technology, poor people wouldn't be able to have phone service without it, too many phone companies would mean you could use one service but not another. They lifted the monopoly in the 1980s and things have improved dramatically ever since. The same needs to be done with roads. End the government monopoly.