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November 07, 2013, 06:03:34 PM
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there is absolutely no excuse for saying your website got hacked for 4k coins two weeks ago and then after it you do nothing , you don't tell your customers, you didn't take the site offline to investigate, you just allowed everyone to keep sending coins as if nothing happened. That is absolutely disgusting and i don't believe this "hack" BS for one second.

TF is a scammer
this is the key. he let everyone keep depositing, just lining his pockets with BTC that he is now "partially refunding." coinlenders is still up --- TF are you fucking STILL taking people's coins on coinlenders? i can't believe you let us go so long just lying to us that everything was okay. it is truly disgusting and i hope you are ostracized from the btc community. makes me so sick thinking about what you've done. if you really got hacked? fucking own up to it when it happens. don't let your loyal customers walk into a trap you set so you can steal from them for weeks while you figure your fucking mess out.

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November 07, 2013, 06:25:17 PM
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As TF liquidated bitfunder: BTCINVEST, he sent the payouts to each investor's Coinlenders account... more than a week after the hack occurred.

I'm not convinced it was nefarious. He might have just been trying to keep everything running while he saw if he could recuperate the losses.

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November 07, 2013, 06:41:11 PM
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Understand: TF operates business, business gets hacked, TF won't pay shit to anyone (depends on him.. he can do as he wants - nobody can affect it).
If he wants, he can just disappear with the money you've gave to him. He's anonymous, remember.

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November 07, 2013, 06:43:16 PM
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As TF liquidated bitfunder: BTCINVEST, he sent the payouts to each investor's Coinlenders account... more than a week after the hack occurred.

I'm not convinced it was nefarious. He might have just been trying to keep everything running while he saw if he could recuperate the losses.

I am inclined to think that. Earn enough interest on Coinlenders and use that to keep the bank operational and liquid. That's what all the other banks in the world do.
If someone breaks into a bank's vault, the bank might still survive as long as there are no massive simultaneous payout requests (bank run). If not for the current price hike, when a lot of people decided to cash out at the same time, inputs.io might have made it through the rough stretch and operational without anyone noticing any problems.

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November 07, 2013, 06:44:51 PM
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Understand: TF operates business, business gets hacked, TF won't pay shit to anyone (depends on him.. he can do as he wants - nobody can affect it).
If he wants, he can just disappear with the money you've gave to him. He's anonymous, remember.

Is he that anonymous?  The found the guy behind Silkroad, they found Pirate40.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327178.0

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November 07, 2013, 06:46:20 PM
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Understand: TF operates business, business gets hacked, TF won't pay shit to anyone (depends on him.. he can do as he wants - nobody can affect it).
If he wants, he can just disappear with the money you've gave to him. He's anonymous, remember.

Is he that anonymous?  The found the guy behind Silkroad, they found Pirate40.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=327178.0

Namecheap surely have his info.
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November 07, 2013, 06:47:47 PM
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As TF liquidated bitfunder: BTCINVEST, he sent the payouts to each investor's Coinlenders account... more than a week after the hack occurred.

I'm not convinced it was nefarious. He might have just been trying to keep everything running while he saw if he could recuperate the losses.

I am inclined to think that. Earn enough interest on Coinlenders and use that to keep the bank operational and liquid. That's what all the other banks in the world do.
If someone breaks into a bank's vault, the bank might still survive as long as there are no massive simultaneous payout requests (bank run). If not for the current price hike, when a lot of people decided to cash out at the same time, inputs.io might have made it through the rough stretch and operational without anyone noticing any problems.

You are forgetting some detail there buddy, people noticed their bitcoins from inputs.io went missing. That is, they didn't even request a payout, they were taken from them. You are not going to see a real world bank doing that nowadays without facing huge problems (at least a country-wide kind of problem), please do not compare this to a bank in any way.
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November 07, 2013, 06:48:27 PM
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I am inclined to think that. Earn enough interest on Coinlenders and use that to keep the bank operational and liquid. That's what all the other banks in the world do.
If someone breaks into a bank's vault, the bank might still survive as long as there are no massive simultaneous payout requests (bank run). If not for the current price hike, when a lot of people decided to cash out at the same time, inputs.io might have made it through the rough stretch and operational without anyone noticing any problems.

Yes, apart from the hacker came back with the API keys and people noticed their accounts had been cleaned out. He couldn't hide that. Then that information got out and started the bank run.

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November 07, 2013, 06:50:53 PM
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Wow, with 300+ BTC in/out of my inputs.io account, I consider myself lucky to have moved all my funds to a safe wallet a couple of weeks ago. Good luck to TF with sorting out the mess, I hope the stolen coins can be recovered at an exchange or something, although it's obviously unlikely to happen Sad
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November 07, 2013, 06:51:37 PM
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I'm sure the hacker will slowly launder the coins and do small sale
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November 07, 2013, 06:52:18 PM
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refunds are sent out with 0 tx fees. they will most likely never reach you guys...

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November 07, 2013, 06:53:08 PM
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refunds are sent out with 0 tx fees. they will most likely never reach you guys...

No they have fees attached https://blockchain.info/address/1GLadosEkeAsLReqS3yQ51E1R3wVtbJCDF
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November 07, 2013, 06:55:41 PM
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Mine: https://blockchain.info/tx/45e2a542ae944ce71192b31734afd5deb45d6fc153eb009359fe7162745b567d nothing

Random: https://blockchain.info/tx/ac27216f82c3aea6f28242a8b0ba3624625c35c82fa233d5429c7e793556bd0d 0.0001 ....

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Fees   0.0001 BTC
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It's 10 bucks, I'm sure you can live without 0.04 of a Bitcoin.
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November 07, 2013, 07:10:05 PM
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this is the key. he let everyone keep depositing, just lining his pockets with BTC that he is now "partially refunding." coinlenders is still up --- TF are you fucking STILL taking people's coins on coinlenders? i can't believe you let us go so long just lying to us that everything was okay. it is truly disgusting and i hope you are ostracized from the btc community. makes me so sick thinking about what you've done. if you really got hacked? fucking own up to it when it happens. don't let your loyal customers walk into a trap you set so you can steal from them for weeks while you figure your fucking mess out.

Agreed!  What exactly does the bolded statement below from TradeFortress mean? 

I have many problems with this.

  • "We" refers to one person, am I correct?
  • Why were deposits and withdrawal not disabled?
  • If the hack occurred in October, how is it possible API keys were compromised in November and money was stolen?
  • Why was the "hot pocket" not immediately emptied after the hack?
1. No. Inputs.io isn't just me, although I do the majority of the work.
2. They were in limited capacity. A withdrawal amount limit didn't work as people simply broke up.
3. The hacker dumped API keys and PIN from the DB. API keys (re)generated after the hack haven't being stolen.
4. The attacker didn't take all of the BTCs, perhaps wanting to remain undetected and steal more.

Is that an admission that he imposed new withdrawal limits after the "hack" to try to hide inputs.io's insolvency?   Or were new deposits somehow restricted as well?

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November 07, 2013, 07:17:29 PM
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As TF liquidated bitfunder: BTCINVEST, he sent the payouts to each investor's Coinlenders account... more than a week after the hack occurred.

I'm not convinced it was nefarious. He might have just been trying to keep everything running while he saw if he could recuperate the losses.

I am inclined to think that. Earn enough interest on Coinlenders and use that to keep the bank operational and liquid. That's what all the other banks in the world do.
If someone breaks into a bank's vault, the bank might still survive as long as there are no massive simultaneous payout requests (bank run). If not for the current price hike, when a lot of people decided to cash out at the same time, inputs.io might have made it through the rough stretch and operational without anyone noticing any problems.

You are forgetting some detail there buddy, people noticed their bitcoins from inputs.io went missing. That is, they didn't even request a payout, they were taken from them. You are not going to see a real world bank doing that nowadays without facing huge problems (at least a country-wide kind of problem), please do not compare this to a bank in any way.

I stand corrected in that I forgot about that detail, assuming it was the BTC price causing the mass withdrawals.
Still my analogy to a bank is correct: A single occurrence of a break-in into a vault might be hushed up or at least survivable for a bank; multiple unsolicited customer checkbook alterations by a milicious entity would certainly cause an uproar.

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November 07, 2013, 07:34:19 PM
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https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=283756.new#new

is the CL thread.

BTW: since coinlenders generates revenue, I won't accept anything less then my initial investment.

+1

All who are using CL should get at least initial investment back.
Maybe it will take a while to get the coins, since the people who took the loans might have a few weeks/months to repay.
But eventually all CL deposits should get refunded.

+1. 

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November 07, 2013, 07:41:09 PM
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Just got an e-mail back, quote :
"Because the hack occurred neraly 2 weeks ago and the public announcement was only made now?"

This makes no sense, why did TF let people use a COMPROMISED wallet for two more weeks?

Why its now public and not before 2 weeks?Huh  Angry

Since Boelens have decided to only selectively pick responses, after the 4K btc compromise I cloned the disk image as soon as I could (after disbelieving and in horrendous shock), investigated the scope of the breach, regenerated all credentials, and have been exploring any options that allows Inputs users to not lose any money.

You never told me this. All you said was that it was re secured and thus you announced it now.

Sorry to see TradeFortress trying to pass the blame to you Boelens. I always liked you during my brief time at coinchat. A pity you got mixed up with these types.


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November 07, 2013, 07:41:51 PM
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The refund address must be same with email address input.io ? If I want use wallet that does not use email address how to refund it ?
If you have a significant amount that's worth the trouble of verifying identity, support@inputs.io

Exactly how are you determining what a significant amount is that's worth the trouble of verifying identity?

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