[UFC 219: Cyborg vs Holm. NEW EVENT!] The UFC Info and Prediction Thread

[tokeweed]

What's up guys, please continue all UFC discussions, news and predictions in this thread.  I won't be making new threads for each event anymore as it's counter intuitive.

I will just change the OP at every event.  The next one's coming soon.

Enjoy. 

[nydiacaskey01]

I will just change the OP at every event.  The next one's coming soon.

Enjoy. 

Next fight is UFC 219 scheduled December 30 at T-Mobile arena Las Vegas. I checked the list of fighters booked for UFC 219, aside from the main event the fight of Carlos Condit and Neil Magny is worth watching other fights I have to check their back ground and watch their previous fight. I'll go with Chris Cyborg and Carlos Condit.

[Hydrogen]

I use this wiki page to check for upcoming UFC events(also to look @ stats for past events):

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_UFC_events

There is also one for bellator events:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Bellator_MMA_events

Next UFC event is Cub Swanson versus Brian Ortega on december 9th. Brian Ortega has a habit of losing the first two rounds in his recent UFC appearances before finishing his opponent in the 3rd round. Its something that happened repeatedly with Ortega's fights against Thiago Tavares, Renato Moicano and also Clay Guida if I remember right.

Alexis Davis, Albert Morales, Frankie Saenz and Alejandro Perez could all be fighters who once looked like good prospects but appear to be on a decline.

Marlon Moraes fought John Dodson on november 11th, here he is fighting again about a month later against Aljamain Sterling.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

Next fight is UFC 219 scheduled December 30 at T-Mobile arena Las Vegas. I checked the list of fighters booked for UFC 219, aside from the main event the fight of Carlos Condit and Neil Magny is worth watching other fights I have to check their back ground and watch their previous fight. I'll go with Chris Cyborg and Carlos Condit.

This is the next major pay per view ,in the mean time there will be many televised fights too,UFC 219 is going to be another interesting card,with Khabib Nurmagomedov coming back and he is facing Edson Barboza a pure striker and he has some of the highlight reel round kick knock outs and it will be a good fight without a doubt,then there will be fighters being fed to Cyborg or does Holly shocks the world again .

[bbc.reporter]

@SaShiRaJaVu. Khabib will win if he can make the weight hehehe. Maybe he should stop eating his favorite desert, the tiramizu while he is in training.

In any case, the odds are not out yet. Let us see what the sportsbooks give both fighters. But I reckon Khabib will be the big favorite.

[DaddyMonsi]

After beating Alistair Overeem in a very convincing fashion, Francis Ngannou wants to fight Brock Lesnar. Ngannou wants to make money right away but I don't think Brock Lesnar is ready to make a come back at UFC. Brock is not as bad ass as he is before, he is just big and that it, he lost to 2 good strikers Cain Velasquez and Alistair Overeem.

[tokeweed]

Thread update guys!  Check the first post.  We are now starting the discussions for Swanson vs Ortega and others for the UFC fight Night 123.

Here are a couple of videos to start.  Enjoy and have fun. 

MMA Pros Pick - Cub Swanson vs. Brian Ortega (UFC FIght Night 123)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_dmuvUlMlM

Toe to Toe Picks - Cub Swanson vs. Brian Ortega (UFC Fight Night 123)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd9q1I8dkfo

The odds on both are very close.  1.96 for Swanson and 1.91 for Ortega (lines taken from Nitrogen, as usual).  That's basically 50/50 odds imo.  I like Swanson to win this tho.

[tokeweed]

Here are the weigh ins and the face offs for the media and the fans.  Swanson looks bad ass as usual.  I hope he wins me some monies.  Lol.  

And I wonder where the hell is krack.  He stopped betting on MMA?  I miss his fight analysis.  Hope he comes back.  Stop by his site, https://degenbet.com/ and give it more hits yo!  That could encourage him.

Enjoy the vids!

Fight Night Fresno: Weigh-in Faceoffs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrtLKF_W1Cg

Fight Night Fresno: Official Weigh-ins
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLMfFyLW_eA

Cub Swanson (146) vs. Brian Ortega (144.8 )
Jason Knight (145.6) vs. Gabriel Benitez (144.8 )
Scott Holtzman (155.8 ) vs. Darrell Horcher (155.6)
Marlon Moraes (135.4) vs. Aljamain Sterling (135.6)
Markus Perez (185.4) vs. Eryk Anders (185.6)
Albert Morales (134) vs. Benito Lopez (135.4)
Alexis Davis (125.8 ) vs. Liz Carmouche (124.8 )
Andre Soukhamthath (136) vs. Luke Sanders (135.6)
Alex Perez (135) vs. Carls John de Tomas (135.8 )
Chris Gruetzemacher (154.8 ) vs. Davi Ramos (155.8 )
Iuri Alcantara (135.4) vs. Alejandro Perez (135.6)
Frankie Saenz (135.6) vs. Merab Dvalishvili (135.6)
Antonio Braga Neto (185.8 ) vs. Trevin Giles (184.8 )

[biskitop]

This will be an exciting match because both fighter have balanced ability and strength. It will be a big gamble. But I prefer ortega to win the game.

[notserp]

my only bet is Cub Swanson

[Lionidas]

Thread update guys!  Check the first post.  We are now starting the discussions for Swanson vs Ortega and others for the UFC fight Night 123.

Here are a couple of videos to start.  Enjoy and have fun. 

MMA Pros Pick - Cub Swanson vs. Brian Ortega (UFC FIght Night 123)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_dmuvUlMlM

Toe to Toe Picks - Cub Swanson vs. Brian Ortega (UFC Fight Night 123)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gd9q1I8dkfo

The odds on both are very close.  1.96 for Swanson and 1.91 for Ortega (lines taken from Nitrogen, as usual).  That's basically 50/50 odds imo.  I like Swanson to win this tho.

It seems that people are more being drawn to take Swanson for this fight.
According to the talk on most of the sportsbook gambling chat rooms that I frequented since last night.

This should be a good match and might put Ortega into retirement.

[Hydrogen]

I might skip this Ortega vs Swanson card, betting wise. A lot of the names fighting have never fought UFC level competition before. Others like Antonio Braga Neto haven't fought since 2014 due to recurring injuries. The more unknown variables present the more difficult it can be to predict an outcome which can be bad for gambling. On the other hand, sometimes cards with unknown fighters are easier to predict due to skill disparity better known and unknown fighters.

I think some of the underdogs like Frankie Saenz, Antonio Braga Neto and maybe a few others might be favorites. Sometimes oddsmakers have information gatherers in MMA gyms and the industry who feed them inside info. That can make it tough to go against the odds and call a flip where the numbers might be backwards.

Is anyone planning to bet this card? Good luck and tell me how you do.

And I wonder where the hell is krack.  He stopped betting on MMA?  I miss his fight analysis.  Hope he comes back.  Stop by his site, https://degenbet.com/ and give it more hits yo!  That could encourage him.

I visited his site. It says: "account suspended".  

[tokeweed]

my only bet is Cub Swanson

Yup same.  Too bad he lost vs a guillotine on the second round.  Sucks...  But the good thing about it is we have new blood rising.  I'm looking forward in seeing Ortega take one or two more fights before challenging for the belt.

Anyway, here are results of the event:

[eaLiTy]

This should be a good match and might put Ortega into retirement.

The result was the other way around,this fight put him in the fight fans and gave him good exposure ,he was under the radar for sometime and even i was skeptical with his submission skills on top level fighters but he proved otherwise with Cub and he locked him up with a beautiful roller at the later minutes of the first round and right then i knew he could lock Cub when ever he wanted. Then it was shocking to see the impact of the kick that knocked Aljamain Sterling,knee to the face,it was brutal as Marlon Moraes timed it to perfection.

[bbc.reporter]

@Lionidas. Cub Swanson to put Brian Ortega into retirement? Brian is a rising star and he is undefeated. In contrast, Cub is 34 years old and beginning to be in the ebb of his waning career. I reckon you read the situation wrong hehehe.

@eaLiTy. Maybe he was trolling?

[btc_angela]

my only bet is Cub Swanson

Yup same.  Too bad he lost vs a guillotine on the second round.  Sucks...  But the good thing about it is we have new blood rising.  I'm looking forward in seeing Ortega take one or two more fights before challenging for the belt.

Anyway, here are results of the event:

Cub was winning, at least the way I see it until that unfortunate guillotine by Ortega. I agree, its could that we have fresh blood in the division, needs couple of fights to see if he is real or just another hype fighter. This win makes it 5 straight for me. So more likely he will be given a chance to fight for the belt.

Cub on Ortega's choke: "I felt like I was going to die,” Swanson said at the post fight news conference.". That's one hell of a  choke. To be honest, I wasn't able to watch the fight live, probably will take a YT high lights later.

@Lionidas, I think you got it wrong my friend. It should be the other way around.
@bbc.reporter, I think its a honest mistake. Let us give him the benefit of the doubt. 

[thejaytiesto]

I just saw Aldo vs Holloway yesterday, and it was a good fight but what the hell was Aldo thinking at the end? he thought he was Mayweather with all these dodging, but he ended up eating too many punches.

And Overeem vs Predator... insane uppercut. Overeem went to sleep and should wake up thinking about retirement, but he says he will continue fighting. I hope he doesn't end up like Crocop.

[Hydrogen]

Good thing I skipped betting this card, I would have gotten wrecked.

Can't agree with some of the judges decisions. Brian Ortega got busted for steroids awhile ago. Don't know if that has anything to do with his guillotine squeeze being powerful. But yeah Brian Ortega was one of the blackhouse guys who tested positive for steroids. He's in that group with Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida, Kevin Casey and I think there might be a few others from that MMA gym who tested positive. Not to throw shade or say anything negative about Ortega, but for those who bet on MMA, or want objective analysis it is a valid point. The reason Ortega has so many 3rd round finishes could be due to him using steroids and pacing himself to avoid gasing out or tiring prematurely the way some steroids users do.

If Brian Ortega is in a 5 round fight, we'll be able to see what his cardio looks like & maybe see if that positive steroid test to his name has an effect.

I just saw Aldo vs Holloway yesterday, and it was a good fight but what the hell was Aldo thinking at the end? he thought he was Mayweather with all these dodging, but he ended up eating too many punches.

I think Jose Aldo was tired by the end of round 1. He tried to slow down the pace of the fight with his leg kicks to make his cardio last all 5 rounds but it didn't work. In the 2nd Jose Aldo versus Frankie Edgar fight, Aldo only fights the last 1-2 minutes of all 5 rounds. Aldo coasts the first 2-3 minutes of all 5 rounds and Frankie lets him get away with it, which is why Frankie loses the fight. Aldo has had cardio issues for years now. If someone presses Aldo and doesn't give him time to rest, it seems like he'll definitely hit a wall with his endurance where he'll tire out & have nothing.

[tokeweed]

Some good news (or rumor) for McGregor fans.  According to former UFC fighter, now MMA pundit Kenny Florian, a bout between Ferguson vs McGregor will happen on March!  Finally, we can see these guys throw leather!  And is it just me, or has McGregor's 'mystic' and his being 'invulnerable' slowly going away?

I think Ferguson has a good chance here.

Conor McGregor finally defends title against Ferguson in March?
https://youtu.be/kXXiqAUYhDk?t=285

Here's a nice Mindsmash video.  Enjoy.

Conor McGregor Vs Tony Ferguson | Strengths & Weaknesses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Madn1swph94

[thejaytiesto]

Some good news (or rumor) for McGregor fans.  According to former UFC fighter, now MMA pundit Kenny Florian, a bout between Ferguson vs McGregor will happen on March!  Finally, we can see these guys throw leather!  And is it just me, or has McGregor's 'mystic' and his being 'invulnerable' slowly going away?

I think Ferguson has a good chance here.

Conor McGregor finally defends title against Ferguson in March?
https://youtu.be/kXXiqAUYhDk?t=285

Here's a nice Mindsmash video.  Enjoy.

Conor McGregor Vs Tony Ferguson | Strengths & Weaknesses
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Madn1swph94

I can't wait to see Conor McGregor again in the octagon, I just hope his mindset is not destroyed after losing vs Mayweather in the ring... he has been doing some crazy shit like being involved in some mafia stuff, or he wanting to right a ref in Belator. I hope he isn't doing coke and fucking hookers like crazy as he did after his Nate Diaz loss. He was able to come back from that, I think he will come back from his last defeat and he'll beat Ferguson.