[auction] 210 BTC of debt

[eroxors]

I have some debt for AUCTION! I've not had time to pursue this debt and it's now up for auction! Debt is owed in BTC however, collection through the courts would result in a judgement in GBP. From what I know, up to 10k GBP can be awarded with very little cost and would not require legal representation.

This auction entitles the winner to the sole rights to this debt. It also entitles you to my cooperation as required to collect the debt. All lenders have been very helpful and I will provide to you what they provided to me if you purchase (PMs, etc.) To a citizen in the U.K., this could be a very good deal. Likewise, to a saavy researcher elsewhere, there is value here. The Chicko debt is a *bonus.* I am also throwing in BTC0.4899 that is owed to me by tealover for a Radeon 5830. He literally may login at anytime, or he may never come back. Details: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=224772

Bids will be in USD and can be paid in BTC, LTC, USD (Amazon, Dwolla, Paypal). Other arrangements will be considered, check with me prior to bidding. Amount due will be quoted based on BTC-E at the end of auction.

Auction ends: Thursday, July 11, 11:30 p.m. CST
Total Debt: BTC210.4699
Starting Bid: $10
Minimum Bid Increment: $5

Borrower: DI Lender: Patrick H. Principle: 76 Interest: 7.6 (10%) Link: http://goo.gl/wsEgN

Borrower: DI Lender: Patrick H. Principle: 25 Interest: 3.75 (15%) Link: http://goo.gl/wsEgN

Borrower: DI Lender: Burt W. Principle: 25 Interest: 3.75 (15%) Link: http://goo.gl/wsEgN

Borrower: DI Lender: Ben M. (Kludge) Principle: 50 Interest: 7.5 (15%) Link: http://goo.gl/wsEgN

Borrower: DI Lender: Ben M. (Kludge) Principle: 9.2 Interest: 1.38 (15%) Link: http://goo.gl/qCL5H

Borrower: SirChiko Lender: Ben M. (Kludge) Principle: 15 Interest: 1.8 (12%) Link: http://goo.gl/BDhkG

Some selling points:

• Both DI and Girlfriend are very active on public facebook pages
• Digital trail is a mile long with activity on a blog, forums, and other misc. gaming sites
• Very distinct grammar and term usage that could be searched
• Identity of some family members is known
• Multiple aliases are known, and he is perhaps still active on these forums under a different name
• He is relatively conversant and willing to discuss the matter
• Admins have IP address that could be creatively used to link DI by location and date
• He owes others including Goat and Giga and dozens for shirts that were not delivered, they may be willing to help
• He has been mining on his hardware for over a year and may have a stash of bitcoins

Negatives:

• He is quick to hide behind a british harassment law that he cited, but I’m unsure if it actually applies to criminal debt
• Claims someone stole his identity to do this
• I do not have any phone numbers or addresses, but they could be found easily
• The kid has no real job
• Family has money, but he was 19 when he perpetrated the crime, so unsure of liability

DI's most recent FB pic ^

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[Inedible]

Have you bought this debt off Patrick Harris?

[eroxors]

A portion was purchased from Patrick Harnett

[zackclark70]

I might beable to help whoever gets this were bouts in the uk is DI?

[Inedible]

Oh, I see some of it is from others.

As second hand debt, I'm not sure how easy it will be to recover.

[Inedible]

I might beable to help whoever gets this were bouts in the uk is DI?

An address would be the minimum I'd need to be able to see if the debt was recoverable at all. It would also likely need to be denominated in GBP but with the rapidly fluctuating value it would be really difficult to pin down.

[eroxors]

bedfordshire

https://www.facebook.com/welpalexander

[Pierre]

If I lived in the UK I'd bid on this just to have an excuse to follow this kid around with a baseball bat

[Pierre]

Oh look he's using the money to travel around Japan

[zackclark70]

to bitcoin loan di has is not legal in the uk as i am guessing the lender is not registered ? if not registered the only way to do it is hire dept collectors that freelance  

[eroxors]

He has resources.

Just so it's clear.... please refrain from commenting/contacting DI for collection purposes until the close of auction. It could affect the winner's ability to collect.

[eroxors]

to bitcoin loan di has is not legal in the uk as i am guessing the lender is not registered ? if not registered the only way to do it is hire dept collectors that freelance  

Bitcoin itself is in legal grey area. For someone willing to put in the time, they may be able to resolve this debt or a portion of it outside of the courts through family members, or with some preparation, successfully take it to court for a settlement.

[zackclark70]

looks to me like di has £10,000 worth of assets dept. collectors should have no problem collecting the money if the lender is registered to give loans in the uk  

[eroxors]

Then throw an opening bid out there! 

[zackclark70]

don't really want to start trouble on my own doorstep ( don't live to far from him )

[digit]

do you have ip addresses or have to contact the admins for those?

[eroxors]

do you have ip addresses or have to contact the admins for those?

I am unsure if it's still available. I do know that the IP was a confirmed Bedfordshire location from what I got from the original lenders.

[TMAN]

$10 payment in BTC.

thanks

[zackclark70]

just so you know 18 is the age you can legally take on dept. in the uk so DI was old enough

[eroxors]

$10 payment in BTC.

thanks

Excellent.  Thanks.

[Welsh]

Is there any reserve on this? lol

[eroxors]

Is there any reserve on this? lol

No reserve. It may sell for $10.

[Inedible]

The problem for UK debt collectors will be the lack of an address and also the fact that it's second hand debt.

It's fine if someone wants to personally collect but legitimate debt collection agencies aren't going to want to take this on.

[zackclark70]

The problem for UK debt collectors will be the lack of an address and also the fact that it's second hand debt.

It's fine if someone wants to personally collect but legitimate debt collection agencies aren't going to want to take this on.

here in the uk most dept collectors are not legit / do work on the side

[eroxors]

Just so it's clear, I am not endorsing, condoning, or suggesting anything illegal in the collection of this debt.

[Moebius327]

What if someone really stole his ID?

[eroxors]

What if someone really stole his ID?

Extremely unlikely. As I said in the OP, there are several unique language markings that provide a link between his forum account here and what he's posted elsewhere on the internet. A language analysis would confirm this.

You can read the threads for yourself, if you're serious about bidding, I can provide even more info/thoughts via pm.

[vm1990]

if someone could get his address id go door knocking for a fee

[eroxors]

PMs replied to. I have done some work on this, but much of the data gathering, strategy, and collection will need to be done. If I had done many of these things, I would simply fly to the U.K. and collect my 10,000 GBP through the court system myself or hire an agency. There is substantial value here and the potential of BTC200 worth of GDP but you will need to do the work to obtain it. There are many ways to extract value here with little investment but without wanting to "show the cards" so to speak (if DI is, infact lurking here) you will need to PM me if you are interested in my thoughts.

[El Cabron]

He owes others including Goat

What? Some fucker in Asia owes me money?

I have to resolve this, who is he, and why does he owe me money?

[eroxors]

He owes others including Goat

What? Some fucker in Asia owes me money?

I have to resolve this, who is he, and why does he owe me money?

Double Icaras, from the bitcoin london "scam." I'm not sure how much you loaned him. He goes to gaming events in Japan occasionally.

[El Cabron]

He owes others including Goat

What? Some fucker in Asia owes me money?

I have to resolve this, who is he, and why does he owe me money?

Double Icaras, from the bitcoin london "scam." I'm not sure how much you loaned him. He goes to gaming events in Japan occasionally.

I see...

Are we sure its the same guy? If so id love to say hello.

[Pierre]

id love to say hello.

I do believe he is in Japan right now

[El Cabron]

id love to say hello.

I do believe he is in Japan right now

As i wait for a flight to indonesia... im sure our paths will cross.

I had assumed the scammers were poor so this guy just really pisses me off...  what a cunt.

[eroxors]

Two days left! This debt will sell for $10 if noone else bids.

[Welsh]

$15

[eroxors]

$15

Thank you.

[Addz]

If this DI kid was smart he'd pay $20 for the debt himself and bury it lol.

If I was in the UK I'd be on this but alas.  Good luck with the auction anyway

[hennessyhemp]

$25

[hennessyhemp]

By the way I am the victim of identity theft, I do not owe anyone anything.

[eroxors]

By the way I am the victim of identity theft, I do not owe anyone anything.

Nice one.

[eroxors]

If this DI kid was smart he'd pay $20 for the debt himself and bury it lol.

If I was in the UK I'd be on this but alas.  Good luck with the auction anyway

I believe this is just under half of what he owes.

[Inedible]

If this DI kid was smart he'd pay $20 for the debt himself and bury it lol.

If I was in the UK I'd be on this but alas.  Good luck with the auction anyway

And for that reason, anyone owing debt would be excluded from bidding.

[eroxors]

Just over a day left.

[Addz]

If this DI kid was smart he'd pay $20 for the debt himself and bury it lol.

If I was in the UK I'd be on this but alas.  Good luck with the auction anyway

And for that reason, anyone owing debt would be excluded from bidding.

Make a dummy forum account, Pay with anonymous bitcoins, who would ever know?

[AMuppInTime]

I'm surprised this is still only at $15 - this is a bargain for any local or resourceful individual.

[Inedible]

I'm surprised this is still only at $15 - this is a bargain for any local or resourceful individual.

Not really.

I the UK, there's almost no chance of recovering this legally.

[zackclark70]

you should tell di he can buy his dept. here lol

[thehun]

$30

[eroxors]

There are many ways to collect this debt legally, including a settlement with DI or his father, who is an engineer, or court proceedings.

There is also a good possibility that tealover will come back and repay his BTC0.5 which would cover the current bid amount.

[eroxors]

$30

Top bid with 7 hours left.

[infested999]

There are many ways to collect this debt legally, including a settlement with DI or his father, who is an engineer, or court proceedings.

There is also a good possibility that tealover will come back and repay his BTC0.5 which would cover the current bid amount.

But he will always just say he can't pay it, he doesn't have the money.

You can't harass him out of it because there are laws protecting him from getting phone calls or you showing up at his doorstep.

[eroxors]

There are many ways to collect this debt legally, including a settlement with DI or his father, who is an engineer, or court proceedings.

There is also a good possibility that tealover will come back and repay his BTC0.5 which would cover the current bid amount.

But he will always just say he can't pay it, he doesn't have the money.

You can't harass him out of it because there are laws protecting him from getting phone calls or you showing up at his doorstep.

There are many ways to collect without harrassment. DI communicated with me freely regarding the situation and offered to return to this forum to resolve the issue. Assets are easily provable with his public Facebook page.

[eroxors]

3 hours left. Payment needs to be made within 72 hours. I will forward all correspondance and documentation to the winner after payment along with a few collection strategies I have thought of.

[eroxors]

2 hours

[eroxors]

1 HOUR

[eroxors]

$30

SOLD.

bitcoin: 0.3544 1LA82JkVJKUNhkPvjH9LtKf9yHANhn5JBz
litecoin: 11.72 LgEtugqwMoygnrCqCqRJQaScuCRZhkVUdU

PM for paypal/dwolla address.

Thanks All!

[thehun]

$30

SOLD.

bitcoin: 0.3544 1LA82JkVJKUNhkPvjH9LtKf9yHANhn5JBz
litecoin: 11.72 LgEtugqwMoygnrCqCqRJQaScuCRZhkVUdU

PM for paypal/dwolla address.

Thanks All!

Thanks,

paid via LTC

[infested999]

$30

SOLD.

bitcoin: 0.3544 1LA82JkVJKUNhkPvjH9LtKf9yHANhn5JBz
litecoin: 11.72 LgEtugqwMoygnrCqCqRJQaScuCRZhkVUdU

PM for paypal/dwolla address.

Thanks All!

Thanks,

paid via LTC

Let us know if you make any progress collecting.

[Welsh]

Great price. I contacted a few businesses about this. Only two got back to me. 1 said they could not do it because the debt was made a very long time ago and don't like virtual currencies.
The other one said they would need to look into it further and maybe contact previous owners of the loan. But, being Bitcoin it would be hard because previous owners of the debt may not want to disclose any of their personal information. But, they said other than that they could do it.

[eroxors]

$30

SOLD.

bitcoin: 0.3544 1LA82JkVJKUNhkPvjH9LtKf9yHANhn5JBz
litecoin: 11.72 LgEtugqwMoygnrCqCqRJQaScuCRZhkVUdU

PM for paypal/dwolla address.

Thanks All!

Thanks,

paid via LTC

Confirmed. I will send the documentation no later than Monday.

For the record, all debts that I hold from Double Icaras aka Alexander Adams (Jr.), tealover, and sirchiko now belong to thehun.

Thanks again, and good luck!

[infested999]

Great price. I contacted a few businesses about this. Only two got back to me. 1 said they could not do it because the debt was made a very long time ago and don't like virtual currencies.
The other one said they would need to look into it further and maybe contact previous owners of the loan. But, being Bitcoin it would be hard because previous owners of the debt may not want to disclose any of their personal information. But, they said other than that they could do it.

If it was in a fiat currency a legal contract may actually stand in court. If the contract states Bitcoin, nobody will take it seriously at all. The best hope here is to show up to his house personally and harass him until he pays 1% of it.

[thehun]

Great price. I contacted a few businesses about this. Only two got back to me. 1 said they could not do it because the debt was made a very long time ago and don't like virtual currencies.
The other one said they would need to look into it further and maybe contact previous owners of the loan. But, being Bitcoin it would be hard because previous owners of the debt may not want to disclose any of their personal information. But, they said other than that they could do it.

If it was in a fiat currency a legal contract may actually stand in court. If the contract states Bitcoin, nobody will take it seriously at all. The best hope here is to show up to his house personally and harass him until he pays 1% of it.

I don't have too big hopes of being able to collect but for this price it's definitely worth a shot. I have a friend in the UK who has some contacts in the debt collection business so I'll see what I can scratch. I'll keep you posted.

[zackclark70]

Great price. I contacted a few businesses about this. Only two got back to me. 1 said they could not do it because the debt was made a very long time ago and don't like virtual currencies.
The other one said they would need to look into it further and maybe contact previous owners of the loan. But, being Bitcoin it would be hard because previous owners of the debt may not want to disclose any of their personal information. But, they said other than that they could do it.

If it was in a fiat currency a legal contract may actually stand in court. If the contract states Bitcoin, nobody will take it seriously at all. The best hope here is to show up to his house personally and harass him until he pays 1% of it.

I don't have too big hopes of being able to collect but for this price it's definitely worth a shot. I have a friend in the UK who has some contacts in the debt collection business so I'll see what I can scratch. I'll keep you posted.

if you cant do it that way just offer the dept to di for $100

[infested999]

Great price. I contacted a few businesses about this. Only two got back to me. 1 said they could not do it because the debt was made a very long time ago and don't like virtual currencies.
The other one said they would need to look into it further and maybe contact previous owners of the loan. But, being Bitcoin it would be hard because previous owners of the debt may not want to disclose any of their personal information. But, they said other than that they could do it.

If it was in a fiat currency a legal contract may actually stand in court. If the contract states Bitcoin, nobody will take it seriously at all. The best hope here is to show up to his house personally and harass him until he pays 1% of it.

I don't have too big hopes of being able to collect but for this price it's definitely worth a shot. I have a friend in the UK who has some contacts in the debt collection business so I'll see what I can scratch. I'll keep you posted.

if you cant do it that way just offer the dept to di for $100

Or just go there and beat him up

[hennessyhemp]

WTF?!  The hacker that hijacked my account for a day actually admitted to it on this thread.  How incredibly odd.  He placed bids on other threads which fucked up their bidding entirely...at least for you guys he admitted he had stolen my identity for his posts...and apparently the op took him at his word and ignored the bid.

I am seriously unclear what his endgame was.  Seems like some of his motivation was simply to harass me and discredit my name, and I really don't remember pissing anyone off enough to warrant this.  Doesn't seem he was successful at scamming anyone while disguised as me, so why the hell even do it in the first place...I really don't get it. 

[Pierre]

WTF?!  The hacker that hijacked my account for a day actually admitted to it on this thread.  How incredibly odd.  He placed bids on other threads which fucked up their bidding entirely...at least for you guys he admitted he had stolen my identity for his posts...and apparently the op took him at his word and ignored the bid.

I am seriously unclear what his endgame was.  Seems like some of his motivation was simply to harass me and discredit my name, and I really don't remember pissing anyone off enough to warrant this.  Doesn't seem he was successful at scamming anyone while disguised as me, so why the hell even do it in the first place...I really don't get it. 

wat

Who are you and where is this hacker admission?

[hennessyhemp]

$25

By the way I am the victim of identity theft, I do not owe anyone anything.

I did not write the above two posts, nor any post on Wednesday 7/10/2013.  I did however, log in
two days later to discover much havoc caused by some random asshole who stole my login info, or
hacked it or whatever, posed as me and wrote a bunch of random shit all over the forum, insulting
senior members along the way.  In reviewing the posts from that day, I find he was gloating about
it here on this post...he bids on this thread, then proceeds to say he is the victim of identity theft.

He seems to be very pleased with himself here...I can almost hear a nerdy cackle through the wires.

[Inedible]

$25

By the way I am the victim of identity theft, I do not owe anyone anything.

I did not write the above two posts, nor any post on Wednesday 7/10/2013.  I did however, log in
two days later to discover much havoc caused by some random asshole who stole my login info, or
hacked it or whatever, posed as me and wrote a bunch of random shit all over the forum, insulting
senior members along the way.  In reviewing the posts from that day, I find he was gloating about
it here on this post...he bids on this thread, then proceeds to say he is the victim of identity theft.

He seems to be very pleased with himself here...I can almost hear a nerdy cackle through the wires.

How odd.

[busidelinghun]

I only have money in the Solidtrust pay .so do u recevie the Solidtrust pay?

[kost]

Fun part would be that DI paid for his depth on this auction  It's really cheap and worthy 

[infested999]

Fun part would be that DI paid for his depth on this auction  It's really cheap and worthy 

Which wouldn't have been worth it because there is very little chance of collecting this debt.

[vm1990]

if you showed up in force at his door step i bet you could make him pay iv spent days harassing people who owed me money nothing to illegal just following them around making life hard work for them blocking there cars in the drive way... things like that XD they pay eventually... or if they phone the police and i get shouted at then its as simple as getting a friends to take my place for a small cut..

[icyak]

Fun part would be that DI paid for his depth on this auction  It's really cheap and worthy 

Which wouldn't have been worth it because there is very little chance of collecting this debt.

For 30$ you will get no chance instead of very little chance... That is good deal for someone...
Pay 30$ for possibility that you will never pay this debt...

[🏰 TradeFortress 🏰]

Hmm, not sure if you are aware of it already but tealover's account was sold / hacked.