Claiming Bitcoin Cash and Gold On New Computer and Nano Ledger S?

[HCP]

1.  Create a bitcoin cash wallet and click SPLIT.  Now i have BCH address in my nano ledger s.

Yes

2.  Im going to use a separate windows machine.  But i also will have to download electrum on it first right since i would input the 12 word electrum seed to restore my electrum on the separate machine?  

No, why do you care about Electrum if it's already empty and there is no BTC? There is no point recreating the wallet in Electrum. My advice regarding opening the Electrum wallet file in ElectronCash was only valid if either ElectronCash was on the same machine, or you copy the wallet file to the machine with ElectronCash.

3.  Then i install electron cash on the separate windows machine.

Yes... I don't personally think the separate machine is required, especially if your BTC is already on a hardware wallet...  but whatever floats your boat...

4.  Then i would import the private keys from electrum to electroncash correct?  And to do this, both electrum and electroncash will be opened at the same time since i have to go to options in electrum, look for private keys... copy that and paste that into electroncash?

No, just use your Electrum Seed with ElectronCash - "File -> New\Restore -> Standard -> I already have a seed"

5.  Once i do this, the BCH will appear in my electron cash wallet

Yes

6.  Use my main computer with the nano ledger s and have the bitcoin cash split opened where it shows the BCH receiving address.

You don't have to have it open, you just need to have the BCH Split "receive" address (Written down or copy/pasted etc)

7.  Then send the BCH from the electroncash on the secondary device to the BCH address.  But if i were to do this, how do i copy and paste my BCH address from the bitcoin cash receiving address to electroncash?  Thus if its the same device, i would just copy and paste the BCH address from the nano ledger to electroncash.   Im not going to type it out manually right?  Or should i be doing that since its a separate computer?  Or just send an email of that address to another email address and open it up on the secondary computer so i could copy and paste?  I know i sound confusing here but i assume you know what i mean by this?

seriously? *smh* Honestly mate, you are taking a VERY simple process and totally over-thinking it to the point that it is just painful and annoying.

If you want to run ElectronCash on some separate computer because #paranoia... then go right ahead... but now you want step by step instructions on how to get an address from one computer to another??!? write it down, type it in... email it to yourself... text it to yourself... take a picture of it on your phone... copy it into a text document and use a usb stick... tattoo it on your ass and then use a mirror so you can type it in...

OR... I don't know... maybe you could just INSTALL ELECTRONCASH ON THE SAME DAMN COMPUTER and copy/paste the address

8.  Have BCH in my nano ledger s.  And anytime i send bch to another site, i make sure i click on bitcoin cash and then split.

Yes

Everytime i use bitcoin, i click on bitcoin and segwit right?  

Yes, assuming you want to use your SegWit wallet

Also does that mean i no longer click on remember my choice when i click on bitcoin?  I did that earlier since i only used bitcoin.  So what would happen if i click on bitcoin and then legacy or bitcoin cash and then main?  there would be 0 btc and 0 bch in those wallets right?

Yes... Believe it or not... but if you don't send anything to those wallets, they'll be empty. Just like every other bitcoin/bitcoin cash wallet ever made...

[jerry0]

HCP, i appreciate you so much for answering all my messages very clearly.


Okay i get what you mean with the one the same machine now.


I will be setting up my old computer soon so i could claim the bitcoin cash on it.


But since i will be using a different computer to use electroncash, would you say its necessary to do a complete reinstall of windows 10 of it or that is completely unnecessary?  For me, security is very important. 


And since im using electron cash on different computer, there is no harm at all in just typing the 12 word phrase?  But if the computer might have virus, that might not be good idea? 

[jerry0]

Hey HCP.  Im going to finally get my BCH now as i just recently set up my old windows 7 desktop.  I been very hesitant doing this so sorry for taking so long with this.


Right now on the nano ledger s, after i type in the pin, there is bitcoin and if you right click button the nano ledger s , there is bitcoin cash words showing on my ledger.  Does that mean i had earlier downloaded the bitcoin cash app fro the ledger manager?  Because im sure it wasn't there earlier?


So right now when i log into my nano ledger, when i click bitcoin and then segwit, it shows how much btc i have etc.


Then i just click blockchain and click on bitcoin cash and split.  Thus i dont need to unplug my nano ledger s and plug it back in and put the pin again right?  Then once i do this, it would show my BCH address right?  So let say now i want to go to my btc wallet.  I just click on settings, blockchain, bitcoin and segwit, then i get back to my btc balance right?  Then i can go right back blockchain, bitcoin cash and split?  So make sure to never ever click blockchain, bitcoin and legacy or blockchain, bitcoin cash and main?  Or does doing that doesn't matter because it always will show 0 btc or 0 bch there?


Then i email my bch address from one computer to the other... thus send the email from laptop to the same email on the old windows 7 desktop computer... then open that email up.


Now i download from the electroncash.org site on the old windows 7 computer.  Then click on already have my seed.  Then manually type in my 12 word phrase.  Then it would ask me if i want to put a password or not like in electrum.  I just put a password on it etc.  Or does it not ask you that and you have to do it mnaully?  Then i would click send bch to that BCH address i copied but first do a very tiny amount just to make sure.  Then once i check its there in my nano ledger s, then i send the rest of it right?


So is this the right steps?  I want to make sure as im set up right now to do now as i did not set up my old windows 10 computer earlier when i posted this.




Also with the bitcoin gold


I actually have an android phone that i could do this with.  So how would i claim my bitcoin gold on an android?  This is a phone that someone else uses so there should be no issue right?


But first before i do this, i have to download the bitcoin gold app first right?  To first get the bitcoin gold address.  But are they going to ask me anything strange like bitcoin legacy/segwit or main/split? 


Right now i want to make sure i claim the bitcoin cash first and send it to my nano ledger s.


Then i do the bitcoin gold.


Thanks HCP.

[Rickorick]

After you have downloaded electroncash, just create a new wallet then use i have recovery seed, put the seed there and your coins should show up



for bitcoin gold, download coinomi on your android phone and sweep the private key with the address and you should see the coins.

[jerry0]

Hi there.  But i want to make sure i set up my BCH wallet correct on the nano ledger s first.

[jerry0]

Okay so i just downloaded bitcoin gold app on my nano ledger s.


So at the moment, i have bitcoin, bitcoin cash and bitcoin gold app on my nano ledger s.


I think i might made a mistake in those steps i listed.  So in the process of claiming bitcoin cash... i first click on the ledger wallet bitcoin app.  Then i put in my pin number in the nano ledger s.  But when i do this, make sure i click on BITCOIN CASH on the nano ledger s right?  Because previously i had clicked on bitcoin... hold 2 buttons on the nano legder s... then it showed the option of bitcoin or bitcoin cash and then legacy or segwit.  So had i clicked on BITCOIN on the nano ledger, then clicking on the bitcoin cash and then SPLIT it would not have worked?


I ask this because i had clicked on BITCOIN GOLD on the nano ledger s and it showed option of i dont know, legacy or segwit.  So when i get my BCH address, i need to make sure after typing in pin on the ledger s, make sure i right click once and thus CLICK ON BITCOIN CASH right on the actual nano ledger s?  Thus after i do that, it would ask me bitcoin or bitcoin cash and then MAIN OR SPLIT?  Because right now im thinking had i just opened BITCOIN ON THE NANO LEDGER S... then clicked bitcoin cash and then split, then that WOULD BE INCORRECT?


I just noticed this right now so i haven't made a mistake yet so just want to make sure im doing this right HCP.

[HCP]

Yes, you need to make sure you have selected the correct "coin" on the ledger nano S device.

- If you want to look at your BTC wallet, it is best to select "Bitcoin" on the Ledger device
- If you want to look at your BCH wallet, it is best to select "Bitcoin Cash" on the Ledger device
- If you want to look at your BTG wallet, you HAVE to select "Bitcoin Gold" on the Ledger device

With BTC and BCH, because they were so similar and because of "forking" requirements, you can actually look at BCH wallet even if you have "Bitcoin" selected on the Ledger device... as the Chrome Wallet app allows you to specify which "blockchain" you want to use (it's actually bad terminology, it should say "derivation path"). I believe this is where a LOT of the confusion occurs. Personally, I find it more useful to specify the "coin" on the device as well, so I have it straight in my head, which "coin" I SHOULD be looking at.

BTG is a completely different story, and you won't be able to access the BTG wallet unless you select "Bitcoin Gold" on the device.

[jerry0]

HCP, thanks for that verification.  Yes that is what had me very confused.

[jerry0]

HCP, the first time that i clicked on BCH on my nano ledger and then clicked SPLIT, it took a just a bit before the wallet opened.  Now it shows the BCH wallet and 0 BCH and when you click on receiving address, it shows the receiving address..


So whenever i want to go from btc wallet to bch wallet, could i just click on blockchain and then click on bitcoin cash and then split?  Then if i want to go to btc wallet, i click blockchain and then bitcoin and segwit? 


Because for me right now to make it safe, whenever i would log into btc wallet after typing in pin and clicking bitcoin on the nano ledger, the first thing i would do is close the ledger bitcoin chrome app.  Then i unplug my nano ledger s from the usb.  Then click on ledger bitcoin app.  Then plug my nano ledger s into the usb, input pin and then click in bitcoin gold on my nano ledger s... then i click bitcoin cash and then split. 


Is there a way for me to go from one coin to another without having to unplug and plug my nano ledger s?  Or is that not possible?  Because when i close the ledger bitcoin app, my nano ledger s is still connected.  Thus i need to unconnect it so it then ask me for my pin again.  Otherwise i cannot go to another wallet such as bitcoin cash.  Thus if i want to go to bitcoin gold, it would not work etc... unless there is some button i can click on?


Because right now i have to unplug my ledger s and plug it in everytime i go from btc wallet to bch wallet.  So i figure if i go to BTG wallet or any other wallet like dash or eth etc, then it requires me to unplug and plug it again and again?  Because not only is this annoying, but i might break the cable/wire if i keep unplug and plug etc.

[HCP]

You don't need to keep disconnecting the ledger when you want to change to a different coin... on your device, scroll down using the right button (labelled 'v' on the screen) until you find "Quit App"... click with both buttons to go back to the "coin" selection (main) menu. You should notice that the "Ledger Wallet Bitcoin" Chrome App, goes back to the default "To begin, connect and unlock your Ledger wallet" screen. When you select a new "coin" on the device, the chrome app will open up the wallet dashboard again.

Alternatively, if you're just switching between BTC and BCH, just click "Settings -> Blockchains"... you don't need to disconnect the Ledger to do this.

I made a video demonstrating how to go from one "coin" to another on the device... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viKI0BqP-mo

The quality is terribad and the music is a bit naff, but you get the idea

[bob123]

So whenever i want to go from btc wallet to bch wallet, could i just click on blockchain and then click on bitcoin cash and then split?  Then if i want to go to btc wallet, i click blockchain and then bitcoin and segwit? 

You are able to switch between those two wallets this way, yes.
But to be able to send coins (or sign messages) you need to have the corresponding app opened on your nano s.

Meaning: If you have BTC app on your nano s open and currently are using BTC on your chrome app -> if you now click on settings and change to BCH -> You will be able to see your balances/addresses
but won't be able to spend coins until you have opened the BCH app on your nano s.

Is there a way for me to go from one coin to another without having to unplug and plug my nano ledger s?  Or is that not possible?  Because when i close the ledger bitcoin app, my nano ledger s is still connected.  Thus i need to unconnect it so it then ask me for my pin again.  Otherwise i cannot go to another wallet such as bitcoin cash.  Thus if i want to go to bitcoin gold, it would not work etc... unless there is some button i can click on?

There are basically 2 steps you need to do to get your nano s back to the status of 'just plugged in':

• Scroll down to 'Quit App' on your nano s (and press it)
• Close the chrome wallet application

Afterwards you can start any app you wish in chrome (and nano s) without unplugging it.

[jerry0]

Has there been anyone that still have not claimed their BCH yet or Bitcoin gold? 


Im planning to claim both of them as i will have access to another laptop as i don't want to do this on the computer with electrum on it.  So when claiming, bitcoin cash, do it with electron cash and make sure its right link right?  Then once i do that, send it to my nano ledger s?


Then claim the bitcoin gold from an android phone?  And once i do that, send it to my nano ledger s?


Then what about the bitcoin sv?  How do i claim that?


I want to claim all of these and have them sent to my nano ledger s.  I been putting it off for way too long.

[HCP]

Very little point claiming anything other than the BCH at this point... the rest aren't really worth anything unless you had "a lot" of BTC (10+) at the time of the forks

For reference, BTG is currently at $12... Bitcoin SV is $65...

Also, there is no reason for you to use a different device to claim each fork... ie. BCH using laptop and BTG using android phone... just do it all on the laptop.

Then what about the bitcoin sv?  How do i claim that?

For the record, Ledger don't support Bitcoin SV, you'll need to find a Bitcoin SV wallet to store them: https://support.ledger.com/hc/en-us/articles/360012270054-Safely-claim-Bitcoin-Cash-SV-BSV-

As far as I'm aware, there was a special version of Electron Cash created that enabled one to claim Bitcoin SV... instructions with pretty pictures here: https://github.com/markblundeberg/coinsplitter/blob/master/doc/coinsplitter_user_guide.md

[jerry0]

HCP.  Well i want to claim the forks so i have them in the nano ledger s or whatever wallet so i dont have to think about it in the future.


You could claim bitcoin gold on a laptop?  Im pretty sure i never heard this?  I remember many ppl said you should use an android phone for it for gold.  What program you suppose to use on a laptop for bitcoin gold


Well the thing is this.  Well i kept all my btc in electrum for a while before i moved them to my nano ledger s.  So i of course still have that 12 word phrase with electrum.  Thus i don't want to have anything in electrum anymore due to the security etc.   Thus i want to get the bitcoin cash, gold, sv etc so then i have nothing left in electrum.  Does that make sense?  I actually have some btc still left in electrum but i havent opened the program yet due to reading about the fake updates with it so i just want to take precaution.  Because i still havent claimed my btc cash yet.


So right now im going to use a desktop to claim my btc cash.  So download from electroncash and do that right but make sure its the correct link?

Then do that with the link you posted for bitcoin gold as oppose to using an android to claim btc gold?

[jerry0]

Okay the claiming bitcoin gold thing through android is through that program coinomi as i just went through old threads.  But now i read there are issues with it?


HCP, right now i have access to another computer.  The issue though is its windows 7 which isn't a big deal.  But i did a clean reinstall of it a while back but issue is i didn't do it correctly as i still have old files from it.  Also its extremely slow and has no antivirus protection at the moment.  Have to download one. 



Would you suggest first do a clean reinstall of windows 7 everything to make sure its fully clean first before installing electron cash on it?  Installing electron cash on the computer now where it might potentially have a virus is not good idea right?  I don't think it has virus... i did clean reinstall it but i didnt delete those old files... so if any old files have virus then its not good idea?  I know you said installing electron cash on same device as electrum is fine as you did it with no issues.  But you did say look at your tolerance and risk to it and you said for you, it wasn't risky because you know what you are doing.

[Pmalek]

Okay the claiming bitcoin gold thing through android is through that program coinomi as i just went through old threads.  But now i read there are issues with it?

Are you referring to the problem with the desktop version of Coinomi where one user lost a lot of money since the desktop version does a spell check on the seed words with google? As far as I know that vulnerability was only present in the Desktop client - not in the Android version.

The download page for Electron Cash doesn't mention if they have support for Windows 7 but there have been problems in the past with various wallets/software not working properly on Windows 7. I think Ledger Live also doesn't support it any longer.
If you don't have any important documents on that computer just reinstall your OS, install Windows 10 if you can. Better be safe than sorry and risk your funds being stolen due to malware that could be present on your device. 

[Lucius]

jerry0, why complicate something that should be pretty easy? To claim forked coins two things are important :

• To move Bitcoin from wallet which private keys / seed you will use to claim forked coins.
• To be careful with downloads of wallets for those coins.

Furthermore, it is important that you claim one coin at the time by download wallets and importing your seed / private keys. After you import seed / private key in wallet you will see your balance, and then you can send that coins to Ledger Nano S.

Electrum bitcoin and ElectronCash can work on same device without problem, it has been repeated several times. I advise you to read this thread from the beginning, answers to all your questions have already been posted.

[jerry0]

Okay the claiming bitcoin gold thing through android is through that program coinomi as i just went through old threads.  But now i read there are issues with it?

Are you referring to the problem with the desktop version of Coinomi where one user lost a lot of money since the desktop version does a spell check on the seed words with google? As far as I know that vulnerability was only present in the Desktop client - not in the Android version.

The download page for Electron Cash doesn't mention if they have support for Windows 7 but there have been problems in the past with various wallets/software not working properly on Windows 7. I think Ledger Live also doesn't support it any longer.
If you don't have any important documents on that computer just reinstall your OS, install Windows 10 if you can. Better be safe than sorry and risk your funds being stolen due to malware that could be present on your device. 

Yes that is what im referring to.  Well i read a while back that people said if you want to claim bitcoin gold when your bitcoin was in electrum at the time, you can use coinomi on the android.  I have access to an android phone now so i figure i could do that.  Would you recommend this?


I don't have anything important on that windows 7 desktop at all.  The thing is i have done a clean reinstall on it before but it did not completely wipe everything out as i made a mistake somewhere in it.  So there could be chance it has malware or something like that.  So i thought of do i want to do that and download electron cash on it and do it... or make sure i wipe computer fully clean on the desktop before doing this.

[jerry0]

jerry0, why complicate something that should be pretty easy? To claim forked coins two things are important :

• To move Bitcoin from wallet which private keys / seed you will use to claim forked coins.
• To be careful with downloads of wallets for those coins.

Furthermore, it is important that you claim one coin at the time by download wallets and importing your seed / private keys. After you import seed / private key in wallet you will see your balance, and then you can send that coins to Ledger Nano S.

Electrum bitcoin and ElectronCash can work on same device without problem, it has been repeated several times. I advise you to read this thread from the beginning, answers to all your questions have already been posted.

I still have a small amount of my btc in my electrum.  So right now go and send the rest of btc from electrum to nano ledger.


Then go to www.electroncash.org  and download that.


Then i type in my 12 word seed to claim the BCH right?  Or should i import the file?  Or either is fine?  My windows 10 laptop that im using now which has my electrum wallet and everything important... there is virus or malware or at least there should not be as i been using it for a while without issue. 


Then send the bitcoin cash from electron cash to my nano ledger?


Then should i delete electron cash from my windows 10 laptop that im using now?


Then for bitcoin gold, use the android phone to do it?


Yes HCP mentioned to me no issue downloading electron cash on same computer as electrum.  He however did say he took necessary precautions though and said he knew what he was doing even though there was a risk.  But as long as you download the correct electron cash from www.electroncash.org  you are fine right? 

[Lucius]

~snip~ 

Sending bitcoin from Electrum or from any other wallet which seed / private keys you will use to claim fork coins is just for security of you bitcoins in case that you download fake wallet. So yes, you should send all bitcoins to Ledger Nano S since you have such wallet.

When you download ElectronCash wallet just follow steps : Standard wallet -> I already have a seed -> Enter seed words -> Then choose type of address (in your case it is probably "legacy"). When ElectronCash wallet is sync you should see correct balance and then you can connect Ledger Nano S and depending what you use (Ledger Live or Chrome App) navigate to BitcoinCash receiving address -> copy paste that address in Electron Cash and send to Ledger. You can delete ElectronCash after that, and use same seed to claim any other forked coin.

I have ElectronCash and Electrum in same PC for long time, nothing bad has happened - if it is a legitimate wallet you are perfectly safe.