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sergio (OP)
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July 03, 2011, 10:02:48 AM |
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This is the scammer info: Buyer John Binns jabgasrm johngeljen@tiscali.co.uk Note to seller bitcoin address: 1KmouQEKQ5b3bDYARu3RtMAFo4o3CPad5K Shipping address - confirmed John Binns 141 Blackmoor Drive, West Derby Liverpool, Merseyside L129EE United Kingdom Shipping details You haven’t added any shipping details. This scammer has been scamming bitcoin ebay sellers, based on the transaction logs he has scammed a total of 45 BTC http://blockexplorer.com/address/1KmouQEKQ5b3bDYARu3RtMAFo4o3CPad5KOn june 28 he filled a charge against an ebay seller btcmania, then on july 1 get paypal payment from him, the next day he files a charge back. Paypal claims in their email that his account got hacked, but I say paypal is lying, since on june 28 there was already a chargeback, it is clear that only the legitimate user can file a chargeback, so it is very unlikely that 3 days later he gets hacked again. Why is paypal lying that his account got hacked on july1, and hiding the fact that the scammer filled a chargeback on june 28 to another seller. There is another seller tinchen-hro that was also scammed by this very same person. I am filling a dispute on the charge back with paypal, I would like to know who are the other ebay seller that got scammed by this guy. Problems with ebay, it is not possible to leave negative feedback to buyers, so the feedback system is corrupt and therefore useless, it use to work a few years ago, but ebay broke it, so if a buyer can have only positive feedback, there is no point in feedbacks, every buyer gets 100% positive regardless of how corrupt they are. Another problem with ebay, the only allow paypal as the only payment system, there are very few exceptions such as the porn area, and you get screwed because then the listing do not show with their search engine, under 99% of the categories paypal is by force the only option of payment with ebay. So for all ebay sellers that have been scammed by paypal and this guy let organize, lets dispute all this chargebacks. I only lost 1 BTC, but other lost 44 BTC, and we should try to put an stop to paypal fraud. |
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gigabytecoin
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July 03, 2011, 10:58:02 AM |
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I hear you man.
I would suggest you do not sell through ebay/paypal because of that possibility.
It is WAY too easy for me to log into my paypal account through TOR... pay you... and claim I was hacked. Simple as that.
Just don't do it, and you will be fine from now on!
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Grant
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July 03, 2011, 11:10:22 AM |
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we should try to put an stop to paypal fraud.
You can't stop something that is almost by-design optimized for fraud. Stop using scampal. |
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sergio (OP)
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July 03, 2011, 11:18:24 AM |
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update:
I got an email from a seller that was scammed also by this guy, it appears that he is going by different names, according to an email I got he also goes by the name of "the-mullet09" under ebay.
It is clear that his account was not hacked, and sellers are being screwed by ebay and paypal.
Paypal is claiming his account was hacked which is clearly false.
The bitcoin delivery can be proven using blockexplorer, and that the account was not hacked it is simply only the legitimate user can file a chargeback, so unless he is getting hacked every day, it is a clear sign of fraud, not only by the scammer, but by paypal by protecting the scammer against all evidence, and ebay for allowing this to happen.
Several ebay listing is which the scammer comited fraud have been removed by ebay:
This listing (110709762773) has been removed, or this item is not available
This listing (220807321393) has been removed, or this item is not available
This listing (260808173674) has been removed, or this item is not available.
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o Please check that you've entered the correct item number
o Listings that have ended 90 or more days ago will not be available for viewing.
But all this bitcoin related listing that have been removed by ebay are recent do not have more than 90 days, I feel paypal is trying on purpose trying to screw sellers using bitcoins, and covering up the fraud.
How could paypal claim that the account was hacked on july 1, when john binns had a charge back for the same reason on june 28 against another seller., that is fraud being done by paypal by allowing this fraud to take place with their knowledge.
What makes this case special is that it can be proven that the account was not hacked, and paypal is saying it was hacked which makes no sence since only a few days earlier there was a chargeback by this scammer.
Yes I agree with all the posts here that we should stop using paypal, the problem is that ebay has a monopoly with paypal and does not allow other payment methods.
One more good reason to use bitcoins.
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jack102938
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July 03, 2011, 11:25:50 AM |
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I have been scammed by him too. I though he had hacked into peoples eBay/PayPal accounts and then just bought the non-reversible bitcoins with their money...
Please let me know the progress, I have lost ~10BTC FWIW.
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jack102938
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July 03, 2011, 11:28:27 AM |
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update:
I got an email from a seller that was scammed also by this guy, it appears that he is going by different names, according to an email I got he also goes by the name of "the-mullet09" under ebay.
I also got scammed by the-mullet09 and a couple of other IDs. Are we sure that he hasn't just hacked into peoples eBay/PayPal accounts... |
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jack102938
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July 03, 2011, 11:36:53 AM |
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On june 28 he filled a charge against an ebay seller btcmania, then on july 1 get paypal payment from him, the next day he files a charge back. btcmania bought a couple of bitcoins from me (although he hasn't paid yet)  |
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sergio (OP)
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July 03, 2011, 11:45:20 AM |
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We are sure of that here is that proof:
under the ebay id jabgasrm on june 28 he files a chargeback against another seller btcmania, so paypal is aware of the situation since it only makes sense that only a legitimate user will file a chargeback, but then on July 1 he buys bitcoins from me, and then on july 2 he files for a chargeback.
Could a hacker file for a chargeback on june 28? I do not think so, it would not make any sence.
Paypal tells me on july 2 that his account was hacked. that makes no sense, since paypal told another seller that his account was hacked on june 28, and he is also fighting the chargebacks. could the account get hacked on a daily basis, I do not think so.
Why is paypal covering up this scammer and screwing the selers? does not make sense to me, under than paypal being a very bad service that fails to investigate the claims.
If someone that got burnt by paypal wants to use me as a reference feel free to do so, my ebay id is member67232 and my dispute with paypal case number is PP-001-362-340-429.
Maybe it could be a good idea to collect all the case numbers together when filling a dispute, since it is the same scammer screwing all of us.
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jack102938
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July 03, 2011, 12:00:31 PM |
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We are sure of that here is that proof:
under the ebay id jabgasrm on june 28 he files a chargeback against another seller btcmania, so paypal is aware of the situation since it only makes sense that only a legitimate user will file a chargeback, but then on July 1 he buys bitcoins from me, and then on july 2 he files for a chargeback.
Not exactly proof, but nevertheless very damming evidence. Another thing that concerns me... I was selling bitcoins for the past few days on eBay, at very high prices (~$40/BTC) and yet they were being snapped up almost instantly. The accounts that were buying them were quiet generic and well established - just the sort of account that could be hacked IMO. I am scared that these have been hacked and so I'm holding off sending the bitcoins for the time being... |
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July 03, 2011, 12:15:07 PM |
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hey, I would like to buy 50-100 BTC via Paypal from you, seems like you are a trustworthy seller. I'll pay 40 USD per BTC.  ITT: greedy people getting scammed by other greedy people |
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jack102938
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July 03, 2011, 12:19:50 PM |
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ITT: greedy people getting scammed by other greedy people
I set an inflated price to see whether people were really that desperate to get hold of bitcoins legitimately or whether a scam was going on. It was more curiosity than greed. |
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July 03, 2011, 12:25:11 PM |
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It is WAY too easy for me to log into my paypal account through TOR... pay you... and claim I was hacked. Simple as that.
If you log in to your PayPal account through TOR and try to make a transaction, then your account will be frozen or you arent even able to log in because most payment sites block TOR exit nodes  PayPal thefts usually use botnet zombies for stealing from PayPal. |
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July 03, 2011, 12:33:45 PM |
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ITT: greedy people getting scammed by other greedy people
I set an inflated price to see whether people were really that desperate to get hold of bitcoins legitimately or whether a scam was going on. It was more curiosity than greed. Yes, you were curious to see whether you could rip some people off but you ended up getting worked over by someone else. My little violin is playing hearts and flowers just for you! |
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jack102938
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July 03, 2011, 12:39:18 PM |
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ITT: greedy people getting scammed by other greedy people
I set an inflated price to see whether people were really that desperate to get hold of bitcoins legitimately or whether a scam was going on. It was more curiosity than greed. Yes, you were curious to see whether you could rip some people off but you ended up getting worked over by someone else. My little violin is playing hearts and flowers just for you! Lol you have a warped view on "ripping someone off" and FWIW I have actually made money selling bitcoins on eBay so not that bothered about the scammer/karma. |
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July 03, 2011, 12:48:56 PM |
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Has paypal offered to make things right ? They are supposed to have seller protection... That and eBay/paypal are separate. If both logins were hacked I'd have to assume negligence on his part.
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July 03, 2011, 01:38:24 PM |
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Has paypal offered to make things right ? They are supposed to have seller protection... That and eBay/paypal are separate. If both logins were hacked I'd have to assume negligence on his part.
While I do not feel that paypal offers any real 'seller protection', seller protection in disputes is provided by using shipping tracker numbers. If you do not ship, you get no protection. |
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July 03, 2011, 02:24:19 PM |
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I dont know even after so many incidents, why people still use paypal!
Just aviod paypal. Period
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airdata
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July 03, 2011, 02:42:03 PM |
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proof of shipping could be provided through block explorer and email correspondence. whether or not paypal would actually do anything about that is another story. But if he told paypal his account was hacked just to steal btc, that's fraud and you could always report him to http://www.ic3.gov/default.aspx and then send him some nice threatening messages. I got ripped off by this guy who sold me some pirated, completely fake microsoft software. ($800 worth ) after not responding to 10-20 emails, he responded to the one where I gave him an ultimatum and let him know I was contacting local law enforcement. of course, he was in my general area so that helped. he promptly sent me $800 via paypal and asked me to return his bogus software just to make me lol. |
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July 03, 2011, 02:44:20 PM |
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I dont know even after so many incidents, why people still use paypal!
Just aviod paypal. Period
Hear hear! The only truly wise approach here.  |
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Mousepotato
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July 03, 2011, 02:47:21 PM |
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Its sooooooooo easy to get someones Paypal acct banned for lif just make a fake porn blog and start soliciting donations for a paypal addy. Won't last more than a week.
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