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August 08, 2013, 12:00:39 PM
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He lured people to trust him without telling them they will lose all their real valuable backed ripple bitcoins (if they had any) when they added the trust towards him.

I did tell them, it's right on RippleScam.org which I linked in the post Smiley

Yes, people have lost money from the social experiment, and that's something I don't plan on repeating. You'll note that I refunded the webr3 guy who then put it back on Ripple again to lose it.

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He did do a job, then "penetration tested" it without any permission from the customer.

Yes, I do that, for multiple sites including this forum. Malicious hackers do not ask for permission, I don't perform anything intrusive / service impacting like DirBuster or another automated scanner without permission.

Also, I don't actually exploit bugs I pentested beyond "you done goofed".

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Basicly means he made an unsecure product for customer

False. The vulnerability comes from code that the customer added himself or paid someone to add.
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August 08, 2013, 12:21:31 PM
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Yes, I do that, for multiple sites including this forum. Malicious hackers do not ask for permission, I don't perform anything intrusive / service impacting like DirBuster or another automated scanner without permission.

You do know that is both unethical as a pentester, and illegal. Smiley I guess you never took the correct security classes.


Also it be nice to see Theymos take some action on this, since he does live in the USA and that is against the computer fraud act. Theymos if you need a legal team, mine is always looking to take on new cases for bitcoins.

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August 08, 2013, 12:24:23 PM
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Yes, I do that, for multiple sites including this forum. Malicious hackers do not ask for permission, I don't perform anything intrusive / service impacting like DirBuster or another automated scanner without permission.

You do know that is both unethical as a pentester, and illegal. Smiley I guess you never took the correct security classes.
You might consider finding and reporting vulnerabilities unethical, I don't Smiley

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http://www.google.com/about/appsecurity/reward-program/
https://www.facebook.com/whitehat

A "don't pentest our site without our permission" strategy is literally the worst you can have. It's as stupid as 'gun free zones' - if law abiding citizens can't bring guns, then only criminals who don't respect the sign will have guns. You're not going to get prosecuted if you perform responsible disclosure.

Like I said, I don't do intrusive pentests.
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August 08, 2013, 12:29:54 PM
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Yes, I do that, for multiple sites including this forum. Malicious hackers do not ask for permission, I don't perform anything intrusive / service impacting like DirBuster or another automated scanner without permission.

You do know that is both unethical as a pentester, and illegal. Smiley I guess you never took the correct security classes.
You might consider finding and reporting vulnerabilities unethical, I don't Smiley

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https://www.facebook.com/whitehat

A "don't pentest our site without our permission" strategy is literally the worst you can have. It's as stupid as 'gun free zones' - if law abiding citizens can't bring guns, then only criminals who don't respect the sign will have guns.

Like I said, I don't do intrusive pentests.

I don't see this forum having any permissions for people to pentest so this is very different from google or facebook. Also it is unethical but you don't have security certificates I guess right? If you did you know why.

Can you pentest AT&T's site, I am sure they be glad to hear about the bugs to find.

Actually based on everything you do on this forum having an ethical conversation with you is like having a debate about race with Paula Deen.

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August 08, 2013, 12:35:40 PM
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I don't see this forum having any permissions for people to pentest so this is very different from google or facebook. Also it is unethical but you don't have security certificates I guess right? If you did you know why.

Can you pentest AT&T's site, I am sure they be glad to hear about the bugs to find.

Actually based on everything you do on this forum having an ethical conversation with you is like having a debate about race with Paula Deen.
I'm sure they would be glad to hear about the bugs you find, as long as you don't release customer's data or notify the media before you actually disclose them to AT&T.
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August 08, 2013, 12:42:58 PM
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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.

Part of this is integrity which he's lacking,

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August 08, 2013, 12:48:33 PM
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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.
You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org Smiley

Generally "many of us" (see Viceroy, gweedo, ElectricMucus, that ripple shill I can't remember) have bright orange ignore ratings.
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August 08, 2013, 12:50:21 PM
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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.

It is sad, people like Erik, Charlie Sherm, Roger Ver, Charles Lee, Jared, should I go on? I mean how are these people passed over for spots on the default trust list? Makes no sense, but this is one of the downfalls of this forum.

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August 08, 2013, 12:51:34 PM
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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.
You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org Smiley

You haven't lost integrity with affiliating with this site, but by stepping on other people by trying to make your point.

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August 08, 2013, 12:53:44 PM
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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.
You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org Smiley

Generally "many of us" (see Viceroy, gweedo, ElectricMucus, that ripple shill I can't remember) have bright orange ignore ratings.

LMAO only you put weight on the ignore ratings. No one cares about ignore ratings. I even meet with investors and show them my profile on here and they don't care. LMAO is that why you deleted your comments on my feedback so fast? Cause you are scared that you will look bad if you are not on the default trust list LMAO Like a coward you couldn't even let one day go by before deleting so theymos would put you back on the list LMAO

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August 08, 2013, 12:56:37 PM
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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.
You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org Smiley
You haven't lost integrity with affiliating with this site, but by stepping on other people by trying to make your point.
You are aware that this "stepping on other people" involves someone who wants to lose 10 BTC to prove a point?

He had ~10 BTC vulnerable.
I took it before someone else could and asked where he wants it sent to.
Despite telling in no unclear words that someone else will take it again, he says he wanted it back on ripple. He wants someone else to take it so he can yell "tradefortress is very untrustworthy".

You could say it's my fault for enabling this to happen in the first place even through I gained nothing, but this is not "stepping on other people".

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No one cares about ignore ratings.

They certainly show a significant amount of people on the forum has a better experience not seeing your messages Smiley

Talking with gweedo and ElectricMucus is as effective as Goat vs BadBear or MPOE-PR vs JoelKartz, unless you have something better to say I will be making better use of my time (ie not responding to your posts).
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August 08, 2013, 12:59:19 PM
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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default.
You expect to get a lot of hate when you wrote RippleScam.org Smiley

Generally "many of us" (see Viceroy, gweedo, ElectricMucus, that ripple shill I can't remember) have bright orange ignore ratings.

MPOE-PR is in the piss-orange club too, and they're a central part of the Bitcoin economy. Expressing ones opinion which isn't popular is one thing doing business is another,
I see it as an honour that so many ideology minded people can't stand me.

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August 08, 2013, 01:00:59 PM
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No one cares about ignore ratings.

They certainly show a large amount of people on the forum has a better experience not seeing your messages Smiley

LMAO can you be my next, you coward. Why did you delete your feedback on my trust? Was it because you needed to be on the default list and theymos took you off? LMAO I don't care who sees my messages or not, cause my pms do tell a different story. You better watch your back, a lot of people are out to get you. LMAO

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August 08, 2013, 03:04:21 PM
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I just realised I'm in the default trust list  Cool

Not entirely sure why. But great!
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August 08, 2013, 03:14:12 PM
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I just realised I'm in the default trust list  Cool

Not entirely sure why. But great!

No you are not, you are in theymos's Trust List.

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August 08, 2013, 03:18:58 PM
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You could say it's my fault for enabling this to happen in the first place even through I gained nothing, but this is not "stepping on other people".

As far as I am concerned it doesn't really matter which analogy you find fitting, this wasn't a class act period. Being smug about it makes things worse.
This is also the difference between "having an orange ignore button" and "loss of integrity due to harmful actions".

You are a sociopath, an intelligent one, but never the less as disruptive as the commonplace retard.

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August 08, 2013, 06:59:18 PM
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#bitcoin-otc / Web of Trust @ Freenode works very well. There are no "default trust lists", removal of ratings or anything like that in there.

#bitcoin-otc does have something like a default trust list, in fact. You're not allowed to rate people if you don't have a positive rating, so everyone in the WoT needs to be indirectly trusted by nanotube.

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.

Then replace DefaultTrust with other users in your trust list. The main purpose of the trust system is to prevent newbies from falling for obvious scams, so there needs to be some sort of default trust list.

It is sad, people like Erik, Charlie Sherm, Roger Ver, Charles Lee, Jared, should I go on? I mean how are these people passed over for spots on the default trust list? Makes no sense, but this is one of the downfalls of this forum.

Those people don't actually use the trust system much AFAIK, so adding them to DefaultTrust would be pointless. DefaultTrust is not a list of trustworthy people. It's a list of people who give accurate ratings and trust people who give accurate ratings.

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August 08, 2013, 07:04:48 PM
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Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.
The main purpose of the trust system is to prevent newbies from falling for obvious scams, so there needs to be some sort of default trust list.

Like being trapped in a malicious credit game? Yes, yes I get you are with TF on that one.

I still hope that some day you'll see the facts more clearly.

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August 08, 2013, 07:09:06 PM
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#bitcoin-otc / Web of Trust @ Freenode works very well. There are no "default trust lists", removal of ratings or anything like that in there.

#bitcoin-otc does have something like a default trust list, in fact. You're not allowed to rate people if you don't have a positive rating, so everyone in the WoT needs to be indirectly trusted by nanotube.

Bottom line is Tradefortress isn't the material many of us consider trustworthy by default. There is more to being trustworthy than simply paying back debt.

Then replace DefaultTrust with other users in your trust list. The main purpose of the trust system is to prevent newbies from falling for obvious scams, so there needs to be some sort of default trust list.

It is sad, people like Erik, Charlie Sherm, Roger Ver, Charles Lee, Jared, should I go on? I mean how are these people passed over for spots on the default trust list? Makes no sense, but this is one of the downfalls of this forum.

Those people don't actually use the trust system much AFAIK, so adding them to DefaultTrust would be pointless. DefaultTrust is not a list of trustworthy people. It's a list of people who give accurate ratings and trust people who give accurate ratings.

There's nothing like a default trust system in #bitcoin-otc. That's bullshit. It's a full trust network, this is just a LIST and there are just a few members who can add people on the list.

As I said, MANY don't even know such thing as DefaultTrust list EXISTS. And you talk about falling for obvious scams.. Read this thread and look the parts which tell things about TradeFortress.

I think it's very clear that TradeFortress doesn't belong on that list. The password/account access asking @IRC by TradeFortress is a big enough reason to delete him from the list immediately. Why don't you comment these obvious things?

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August 08, 2013, 07:10:21 PM
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Theymos you should do something about scammers, peoples are still getting scammed as sometimes they don't check Trust ratings and from outside members profile looks fine even with negative rating.


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