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July 25, 2013, 04:49:23 PM
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Why some vip donators are in default trust list and others not.?

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July 25, 2013, 05:24:52 PM
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Is there a specific trust rating you are referring to?
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July 25, 2013, 05:33:52 PM
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No im not talking about trust rating I'm talking about "DefaultTrust"



Give me 1 reason why you deserve to be in "DefaultList".


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July 25, 2013, 05:38:51 PM
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just change the default trust by adding users names you want, i also couldn't quite understand why certain members were appearing the trust list.......  Roll Eyes
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July 25, 2013, 05:42:11 PM
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This is a question I was asking myself : Why does Tradefortress have so many negative trustratings and everyone giving them is not even remotely affiliated with my trust list ? If he is scamming and extorting people  why are there no reputable members making negative comments ?

I know the answer to this questions , do you? Well, i will say it , you probably do but won't admit it. Because you are too busy hating. There i said it. Go dislike me. Now back to business.


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July 25, 2013, 05:43:33 PM
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just change the default trust by adding users names you want, i also couldn't quite understand why certain members were appearing the trust list.......  Roll Eyes

It's not about change it's about...why a guy who's identity isn't even public, involved in many illegal things is listed on default trust list, while some peoples like ciyam open and many others are not there.

Either remove him from Default trust or rename "DefaultTrust" to "Admin's Personal Trust".

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July 25, 2013, 05:45:40 PM
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This is a question I was asking myself : Why does Tradefortress have so many negative trustratings and everyone giving them is not even remotely affiliated with my trust list ? If he is scamming and extorting people  why are there no reputable members making negative comments ?

I know the answer to this questions , do you? Well, i will say it , you probably do but won't admit it. Because you are too busy hating. There i said. Go dislike me. Now back to business.



He's scamming peoples and extorting them?
lol i didn't even knew that, thanks for letting me know.

Oh btw i'm not hating him or anyone else. I'm just saying he should not be in Default Trust. That's it.


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July 25, 2013, 05:46:14 PM
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I'm not interested in discussing TF in isolation. I am curious how the entire list was devised Smiley
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July 25, 2013, 05:49:13 PM
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This is a question I was asking myself : Why does Tradefortress have so many negative trustratings and everyone giving them is not even remotely affiliated with my trust list ? If he is scamming and extorting people  why are there no reputable members making negative comments ?

I know the answer to this questions , do you? Well, i will say it , you probably do but won't admit it. Because you are too busy hating. There i said. Go dislike me. Now back to business.



He's scamming peoples and extorting them?
lol i didn't even knew that, thanks for letting me know.

Oh btw i'm not hating him or anyone else. I'm just saying he should not be in Default Trust. That's it.



Here is some inside knowledge : He probably isn't scamming and extorting people. He just attracted a herd of butthurt newbies with coinchat.

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July 25, 2013, 05:50:10 PM
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glad to see i'm not the only one he's offended. this is starting to be a daily thing.

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July 25, 2013, 05:55:38 PM
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This is a question I was asking myself : Why does Tradefortress have so many negative trustratings and everyone giving them is not even remotely affiliated with my trust list ? If he is scamming and extorting people  why are there no reputable members making negative comments ?

I know the answer to this questions , do you? Well, i will say it , you probably do but won't admit it. Because you are too busy hating. There i said. Go dislike me. Now back to business.



He's scamming peoples and extorting them?
lol i didn't even knew that, thanks for letting me know.

Oh btw i'm not hating him or anyone else. I'm just saying he should not be in Default Trust. That's it.



Here is some inside knowledge : He probably isn't scamming and extorting people. He just attracted a herd of butthurt newbies with coinchat.

Whatever you are saying has nothing to do with this thread or my question. I don't care what he does on his sites or this forum.

I'm saying IT'S NOT FAIR TO ADD HIM IN DEFAULT TRUST LIST without giving a reason why he's there.

If theymos likes him he should be in his TRUST LIST not Default one.


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July 25, 2013, 06:00:48 PM
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I have changed the title, i  thought he's the only donator in default trust list.

there is one more OgNasty.


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July 25, 2013, 06:40:06 PM
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This is a question I was asking myself : Why does Tradefortress have so many negative trustratings and everyone giving them is not even remotely affiliated with my trust list ? If he is scamming and extorting people  why are there no reputable members making negative comments ?

I know the answer to this questions , do you? Well, i will say it , you probably do but won't admit it. Because you are too busy hating. There i said. Go dislike me. Now back to business.



He's scamming peoples and extorting them?
lol i didn't even knew that, thanks for letting me know.

Oh btw i'm not hating him or anyone else. I'm just saying he should not be in Default Trust. That's it.



Here is some inside knowledge : He probably isn't scamming and extorting people. He just attracted a herd of butthurt newbies with coinchat.

Whatever you are saying has nothing to do with this thread or my question. I don't care what he does on his sites or this forum.

I'm saying IT'S NOT FAIR TO ADD HIM IN DEFAULT TRUST LIST without giving a reason why he's there.

If theymos likes him he should be in his TRUST LIST not Default one.



Well , i'm in the DEFAULT TRUST LIST too, where is my Thread ?

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July 25, 2013, 07:59:38 PM
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Well , i'm in the DEFAULT TRUST LIST too, where is my Thread ?

No, you are not.

Theymos trusts you, but the default trust is one level up.

In the default trust are:

 sirius
 theymos
 HostFat
 Maged
 OgNasty
 John (John K.)
 Tomatocage
 BadBear
 TradeFortress

all IMO trustworthy guys, but I also don't understand the criteria why they are in default trust.

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July 25, 2013, 08:06:07 PM
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Well , i'm in the DEFAULT TRUST LIST too, where is my Thread ?

as akka said you are not in default trust list,but if you were i wouldn't say anything because you are staff here.


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July 25, 2013, 08:07:38 PM
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 sirius
 theymos
 HostFat
 Maged
 OgNasty
 John (John K.)
 Tomatocage
 BadBear
 TradeFortress



All are either mod/staff/admin except these 2.

Tomatocage's case is different, he should be mod of scam accusation forum.

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July 26, 2013, 09:41:20 PM
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The first thing most people should do is remove the Default Trust list and then just add the people they trust. For example. My trust list is based off of only people I've done business with directly. My non-trusting people are folks My negative feedback is used for folks who owe me and will never repay. I'm also considering putting people in my untrusted list leaving negative feedback for folks that I can actually prove have defrauded others.


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July 26, 2013, 09:43:18 PM
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The first thing most people should do is remove the Default Trust list and then just add the people they trust. For example. My trust list is based off of only people I've done business with directly. My non-trusting people are folks who owe me and will never repay. I'm also considering putting people in my untrusted list that I can actually prove have defrauded others.

There's an untrusted list?
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July 26, 2013, 09:53:44 PM
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Of course. I have removed the default trust as well, but I have added most of the guys in the list above to my trust list.

Also it makes sense to give a trust rating if you had a successful (or unsuccessful) deal with someone, but the trust list is different that's whos feedback on other people you trust, if you only trusting the feedback of people you delt with doesn't make give enough information IMO.

Also it makes sense to have a default trust list, so new members see good and bad ratings from trustworthy members from the start. Without needing to know all the "special functions" of this forum right away.

I'm just wondering what criteria gets someone into default trust.

IMO a good way would be to handle it like the ignore button. People that are trusted by a significant amount of forum members could move to default trust automatically. To counter sock-puppet trust, this could be based on activity. For Example: Members that are in the trust list of at least a sum of 5000 Activity Points move to default trust.

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July 27, 2013, 03:03:25 AM
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There's an untrusted list?

Sorry, I guess I stated this incorrectly. I guess what I meant was I have given negative feedback on one individual whose debt I covered while trying to fix a BTC-E account restoration for him and who ended up running away with the Bitcoin. He ended up being basically a 16-year-old kid. My bad, I guess. I only lost 22.5 BTC, and we both learned a lesson from it.

There's basically 4 major parts to trust that everyone should know:

1) Trust List + Trust Depth: For me, I only put people that I have had a personal trade with in Bitcoins in my Trust List. Regardless of how I feel about someone's trustworthiness, I wouldn't feel comfortable putting them in my own Trust List unless I've done an actual deal with them. The Trust List itself will show ratings of people you've dealt with, plus the ratings of the next level or two based on the factor of "Trust Depth". By default, it contains a list of users that, presumably, theymos trusts, but only comes with 2 Trust Depth. You should increase this Trust Depth to 3 to see more how Trust works and why it can be powerful. As others have stated, two of those users themselves have questionable rapport with the community as a whole, but for the most part, the list kind of serves as a basis for something that users can reasonably rely on anyway.

The next few points can be viewed for my own user account here

2) Trusted feedback: This is your own trusted feedback, as received by another user. If it's positive, it's black, if it is negative, it's red. Here I presently see that I have one trusted feedback from serp, who I bought physical Bitcoin from. You can have both positive and negative feedback.

3) Untrusted feedback: This is your own feedback again, but from users you do not trust or do not yet trust. Again, positive is black, negative is red. I think that if you look at my feedback list, you'll see serp as "Untrusted feedback", likely because he's not in the default trust.

4) Sent feedback: This is the trust reviews of the user you are currently viewing. Here on my page you'll see I have an unspecified BTC positive trust for Keefe, who helped a lot of us purchase our first BTC back in the early days. I also, like many others, had positive dealings with Casascius early on. This is also where I have my one negative rating for another user.

If there's only one thing I'd implore everyone to do, it'd be to start giving feedback and to add folks to your trust list that you trust. The more of us that use it, the more valuable it becomes, and the less we'll have to worry about scammers. The only problem with the trust system is that it requires you to do most of the work yourself, you're not going to necessarily be rewarded for giving others ratings, but it seems quite silly to NOT use this system if we have it.

Once enough people are using it, the need for a "Default Trust" will go away and be replaced by trust systems whereby folks you already know and trust are basically automatically telling you who they trust without having to independently communicate it. You can even tweak the Trust Depth to be high or low accordingly. It's actually quite powerful for something so simple.

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