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That's the problem. There are so few communications efforts that one should go to GitHub to understand what's going on.
That's a very poor way to treat your investors. And don't talk to me about the blog, I follow every 2.0 projects and Mastercoin is definitly the worst at speaking to its investors.
Yes, that's undeniably true, and a travesty considering the amount of money raised. I'm in no way surprised, however, as this has really been the rule when it comes to Bitcoin companies and projects. I have to assume that tech focused founders don't understand or appreciate the importance of timely, professional external communication. There are some really good people working on this project, but also substantial competition. We should be exploiting every advantage we have for mind share. |
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dexX7
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March 27, 2014, 11:43:20 PM |
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SORRY TO POST THIS HERE
However the mastercoin buyer/seller thread is locked,
so this is the only place i might get a seller
i am looking to buy MSC at market value, and lots of it
PM ME
https://masterxchange.com (traditional) https://masterchain.info/index.html?currency=MSC&filter=sell (distributed, web) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=484025.0 (distributed, offline wallet) If you need help with one of the later two, I'd be happy to assist. If the market is still too thin then you may send a request to info at mastercoin dot org and dev at mastercoin dot org. There are plenty of users in both mailing lists combined. |
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prophetx
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March 28, 2014, 12:55:54 AM |
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That's the problem. There are so few communications efforts that one should go to GitHub to understand what's going on. That's a very poor way to treat your investors. And don't talk to me about the blog, I follow every 2.0 projects and Mastercoin is definitly the worst at speaking to its investors. That is where the developers are because it is easier for them to use github. Do you want to make it harder for the people who are actually developing the technology? No professional investor would demand that developers spend hours on an out dated message board technology that is hard to access for new developers. Developers use github, and we want to attract more, so that this software is top-notch. Also, I invite you to our blog we have 54 published posts since October 2013, that's about 9 per month; and I publish a newsletter about every 2 weeks usually with summaries. |
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prophetx
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March 28, 2014, 01:12:18 AM |
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That's the problem. There are so few communications efforts that one should go to GitHub to understand what's going on.
That's a very poor way to treat your investors. And don't talk to me about the blog, I follow every 2.0 projects and Mastercoin is definitly the worst at speaking to its investors.
Yes, that's undeniably true, and a travesty considering the amount of money raised. I'm in no way surprised, however, as this has really been the rule when it comes to Bitcoin companies and projects. I have to assume that tech focused founders don't understand or appreciate the importance of timely, professional external communication. There are some really good people working on this project, but also substantial competition. We should be exploiting every advantage we have for mind share. here you go. i'm due for another email blast (was at conference in amsterdam last week so a little behind). we have over 1100 subscribers now and generally a 50% open rate and pretty decent click rates, so I'm a bit confused why several hundred people can figure out how to subscribe to a newsletter and yet we get people on here complaining that there is no communication. i'm always down to listen to rational, analytic thoughts, criticism and advice  we're working with someone on campaigns to up these figures and eventually other social media figures, but as always things don't happen overnight |
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March 28, 2014, 02:13:04 AM |
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That's the problem. There are so few communications efforts that one should go to GitHub to understand what's going on. That's a very poor way to treat your investors. And don't talk to me about the blog, I follow every 2.0 projects and Mastercoin is definitly the worst at speaking to its investors. That is where the developers are because it is easier for them to use github. Do you want to make it harder for the people who are actually developing the technology? No professional investor would demand that developers spend hours on an out dated message board technology that is hard to access for new developers. Developers use github, and we want to attract more, so that this software is top-notch. Also, I invite you to our blog we have 54 published posts since October 2013, that's about 9 per month; and I publish a newsletter about every 2 weeks usually with summaries. I have experience in professionnal investment (multi-billion companies which actually produce something - not just "let's make a whitepaper and see what happens" - do communicate a lot with investors). That's why I dare to call here the poor consideration you have toward your investors. But OK, my bad, everything is fine with MSC. You just happen to use too advanced communication tools. You are so ahead of the curve that your investor are impressed by your genius and keep selling because their are afraid of be involved with such visionaries. Tip : NXT, BTS and XCP developpers do develop, and have at the same time a strong forum presence (you know that archaic communication tool which we both using right know). So it seems possible. And theirs communities are happy. Or maybe should I just say that they actually have a community, unlike you. |
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March 28, 2014, 02:23:16 AM |
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That's the problem. There are so few communications efforts that one should go to GitHub to understand what's going on. That's a very poor way to treat your investors. And don't talk to me about the blog, I follow every 2.0 projects and Mastercoin is definitly the worst at speaking to its investors. That is where the developers are because it is easier for them to use github. Do you want to make it harder for the people who are actually developing the technology? No professional investor would demand that developers spend hours on an out dated message board technology that is hard to access for new developers. Developers use github, and we want to attract more, so that this software is top-notch. Also, I invite you to our blog we have 54 published posts since October 2013, that's about 9 per month; and I publish a newsletter about every 2 weeks usually with summaries. I have experience in professionnal investment (multi-billion companies which actually produce something - not just "let's make a whitepaper and see what happens" - do communicate a lot with investors). That's why I dare to call here the poor consideration you have toward your investors. But OK, my bad, everything is fine with MSC. You just happen to use too advanced communication tools. You are so ahead of the curve that your investor are impressed by your genius and keep selling because their are afraid of be involved with such visionaries. Tip : NXT, BTS and XCP developpers do develop, and have at the same time a strong forum presence (you know that archaic communication tool which we both using right know). So it seems possible. And theirs communities are happy. Or maybe should I just say that they actually have a community, unlike you. I agree Chinese：我顶你！ |
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prophetx
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March 28, 2014, 02:53:10 AM |
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That's the problem. There are so few communications efforts that one should go to GitHub to understand what's going on. That's a very poor way to treat your investors. And don't talk to me about the blog, I follow every 2.0 projects and Mastercoin is definitly the worst at speaking to its investors. That is where the developers are because it is easier for them to use github. Do you want to make it harder for the people who are actually developing the technology? No professional investor would demand that developers spend hours on an out dated message board technology that is hard to access for new developers. Developers use github, and we want to attract more, so that this software is top-notch. Also, I invite you to our blog we have 54 published posts since October 2013, that's about 9 per month; and I publish a newsletter about every 2 weeks usually with summaries. I have experience in professionnal investment (multi-billion companies which actually produce something - not just "let's make a whitepaper and see what happens" - do communicate a lot with investors). That's why I dare to call here the poor consideration you have toward your investors. But OK, my bad, everything is fine with MSC. You just happen to use too advanced communication tools. You are so ahead of the curve that your investor are impressed by your genius and keep selling because their are afraid of be involved with such visionaries. Tip : NXT, BTS and XCP developpers do develop, and have at the same time a strong forum presence (you know that archaic communication tool which we both using right know). So it seems possible. And theirs communities are happy. Or maybe should I just say that they actually have a community, unlike you. bts and xcp community happy? okay now i think we have gone off the deep end. by the way Mark Andreessen is right. This community (I'm talking about the people on bitcointalk) will turn on itself; you can see it heading this way already. |
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March 28, 2014, 04:22:59 AM |
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Tip : NXT, BTS and XCP developpers do develop, and have at the same time a strong forum presence (you know that archaic communication tool which we both using right know). So it seems possible. And theirs communities are happy. Or maybe should I just say that they actually have a community, unlike you.
If you think a project lacks a particular kind of presence, can't you go ahead and fix that yourself? Maybe it simply lacks that particular presence because so far none of the enthusiasts of the project have happened to be into providing that particular aspect? -MarkM- |
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March 28, 2014, 05:12:51 AM |
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It's important to have a regularly updated presence here to promote the project. I know I'm not inclined to spend a lot of time going to a bunch of different forums and sites to follow each project, especially when the project specific forums use irritating, oddball forum software which is a lot different from SMF. Bitshares has a nice forum with Simple Machines, but I don't even check in there too often.
The newsletters are a good idea if not sent more than once a week. It makes it easier to keep up if the news is delivered via email.
Some projects try to deliver updates via Bitmessage, but it doesn't work at all well when the news disappears if you don't run the client within a couple of days of it being sent.
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March 28, 2014, 05:21:39 AM |
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It's important to have a regularly updated presence here to promote the project. I know I'm not inclined to spend a lot of time going to a bunch of different forums and sites to follow each project, especially when the project specific forums use irritating, oddball forum software which is a lot different from SMF. Bitshares has a nice forum with Simple Machines, but I don't even check in there too often.
The newsletters are a good idea if not sent more than once a week. It makes it easier to keep up if the news is delivered via email.
Some projects try to deliver updates via Bitmessage, but it doesn't work at all well when the news disappears if you don't run the client within a couple of days of it being sent.
agree， the foundation should maintain a mail list in order to deliver the updates. |
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March 28, 2014, 09:25:05 AM |
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I too think that early migration off the bitcointalk was a mistake. Of course you took a long time to set up the new forums, but let's face it - they are rather empty. Guys, come back to reality. That's for J.R. and Ron  The price is climbing down, and it's simply because people are not getting your message these days. The success for this project in the beginning was the community, that's how developers and new ideas came. Not through remote bounties, virtual offices and shiny tools. So would you please over-communicate. With less channels. |
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bitwhizz
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March 28, 2014, 09:51:41 AM |
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SORRY TO POST THIS HERE
However the mastercoin buyer/seller thread is locked,
so this is the only place i might get a seller
i am looking to buy MSC at market value, and lots of it
PM ME
I just made a specific board to buy Mastercoins. http://mastercointalk.org/index.php?board=54.0Could you please post this here and remove this one? Thank you. When will MSC learn that the majority of MSC holders don;t engage in the MSC forum, but on BTC talk. Their is no point posting there, as i know nobody will read it, I am trying to ttarget the mass here, not a niche |
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prophetx
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March 28, 2014, 12:41:34 PM |
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I too think that early migration off the bitcointalk was a mistake. Of course you took a long time to set up the new forums, but let's face it - they are rather empty. Guys, come back to reality. That's for J.R. and Ron The price is climbing down, and it's simply because people are not getting your message these days. The success for this project in the beginning was the community, that's how developers and new ideas came. Not through remote bounties, virtual offices and shiny tools. So would you please over-communicate. With less channels. Really? My investment in XCP is down something like 80% since last months high, and according to the trolls on here XCP is doing a phenomenal job "engaging the community". Yes so phenomenal I'm down 80%... Hey guess what folks I was at a conference last week talking to people who manage 10s and 100s of millions in funds. They don't waste their time on this forum. |
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March 28, 2014, 01:09:22 PM |
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Hey guess what folks I was at a conference last week talking to people who manage 10s and 100s of millions in funds. They don't waste their time on this forum.
Were those guys 10s 100s hedge fund guys the ones who bought into MSC IPO? I think not. Were they the ones who helped take this off the ground? Are they the ones who need to get involved to get the word out? Are they the ones who need to do the bounties? What resulted from those talks with those 10s, 100s hedge funds? Care to share? |
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prophetx
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March 28, 2014, 01:14:56 PM |
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Hey guess what folks I was at a conference last week talking to people who manage 10s and 100s of millions in funds. They don't waste their time on this forum.
Were those guys 10s 100s hedge fund guys the ones who bought into MSC IPO? I think not. Were they the ones who helped take this off the ground? Are they the ones who need to get involved to get the word out? Are they the ones who need to do the bounties? What resulted from those talks with those 10s, 100s hedge funds? Care to share? one offered me an unlimited budget... i'm in conversation about that... |
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March 28, 2014, 01:25:51 PM |
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one offered me an unlimited budget... i'm in conversation about that...
This would certainly make for a very interesting blog entry. |
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March 28, 2014, 01:44:21 PM |
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Hey guess what folks I was at a conference last week talking to people who manage 10s and 100s of millions in funds. They don't waste their time on this forum.
Were those guys 10s 100s hedge fund guys the ones who bought into MSC IPO? I think not. Were they the ones who helped take this off the ground? Are they the ones who need to get involved to get the word out? Are they the ones who need to do the bounties? What resulted from those talks with those 10s, 100s hedge funds? Care to share? one offered me an unlimited budget... i'm in conversation about that... 1. You are completely underestimating this forum and its impact 2. did you really buy XCP at 0.02? |
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prophetx
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March 28, 2014, 02:08:00 PM |
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Hey guess what folks I was at a conference last week talking to people who manage 10s and 100s of millions in funds. They don't waste their time on this forum.
Were those guys 10s 100s hedge fund guys the ones who bought into MSC IPO? I think not. Were they the ones who helped take this off the ground? Are they the ones who need to get involved to get the word out? Are they the ones who need to do the bounties? What resulted from those talks with those 10s, 100s hedge funds? Care to share? one offered me an unlimited budget... i'm in conversation about that... 1. You are completely underestimating this forum and its impact 2. did you really buy XCP at 0.02? 1. am i? b/c doge does all of their "marketing" in other places. xcp has dev's here wasting time answering questions for what? a 2X multiple of their burn. basic logic shows that this forum does very little to impact non-core bitcoin projects in further growth stages. 2. lol, no... i'm simply countering the argument that "community engagement" on bitcointalk actually has any positive impact. in fact looking at "community engagement" on bitcointalk seems to mean a lower multiple from exodus/burn whatever you want to call it. you can all thank theymos for relegating mastercoin and others into the alt coin forum, if you want to send hate mail, he's your man |
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March 28, 2014, 02:11:19 PM |
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Hey guess what folks I was at a conference last week talking to people who manage 10s and 100s of millions in funds. They don't waste their time on this forum.
Were those guys 10s 100s hedge fund guys the ones who bought into MSC IPO? I think not. Were they the ones who helped take this off the ground? Are they the ones who need to get involved to get the word out? Are they the ones who need to do the bounties? What resulted from those talks with those 10s, 100s hedge funds? Care to share? one offered me an unlimited budget... i'm in conversation about that... 1. You are completely underestimating this forum and its impact 2. did you really buy XCP at 0.02? 1. am i? b/c doge does all of their "marketing" in other places. xcp has dev's here wasting time answering questions for what? a 2X multiple of their burn. basic logic shows that this forum does very little to impact non-core bitcoin projects in further growth stages. 2. lol, no... i'm simply countering the argument that "community engagement" on bitcointalk actually has any positive impact. in fact looking at "community engagement" on bitcointalk seems to mean a lower multiple from exodus/burn whatever you want to call it. you can all thank theymos for relegating mastercoin and others into the alt coin forum, if you want to send hate mail, he's your man , we are on MSC side, we're bringing this up becouse we think its important no hate mail intended yes i am not happy with theymos, it was a bad move for MSC |
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March 28, 2014, 04:12:39 PM |
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you can all thank theymos for relegating mastercoin and others into the alt coin forum, if you want to send hate mail, he's your man
This is true. It is a real shame that Theymos hates bitcoin 2.0 and purposefully destroyed a great communications channel for this community who just wanted to exchange ideas. He could have made a subforum for Mastercoin, XCP, NXT and a few others. But instead he stuffed it into the trash heap that is 'altcoins'. Alt coins are a complete different thing altogether. That one single hater intentionally did loads of damage to the ability of others to interact. Lacking 'critical mass' bitwhizz is right, nobody goes to the other forums. Instead they lose interest and go visit Satoshi Dice. Shame. It is ironic how core bitcoiners try to discourage new ideas. We need a new bitcointalk where the admin doesn't have an agenda to push with regard to management of the topics. Are there any decent alt forums for bitcoin or is this the last and final word? |
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