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August 05, 2013, 07:47:55 AM
Last edit: November 22, 2013, 01:29:53 AM by CoinHoarder
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The Plan:
Let’s face it, at this point we don’t know who out of the vaporware vendors will deliver on time, or if they will ever deliver at all. Investing in only one manufacturer’s hardware could leave you sitting on the sidelines and missing out on huge profits (see early BFL customers vs. early Avalon customers). I am spearheading a different type of group buy for the purpose of diversifying invested funds for the purpose of mining Bitcoins. By buying mining hardware from multiple manufacturers, I aim to reduce the variance and risks associated with buying vaporware.

Not only am I making the best effort to diversify they group’s investment funds, but I have chosen the cheapest products ($ per Gh) from three manufacturers that I think are not scams. All three companies have similar shipping projections (September/October/November.) Also, all products to be ordered are built on small process nodes, ensuring that we will have an energy efficient mining operation, leaving us profitable even after Avalon 1st gen chips become unprofitable (and others built on larger process nodes.)

With that said, I am suggesting we invest in the following products from the following manufacturers:
- Bitfury 400 Gh Kit (October Delivery) - $8000 usd +shipping
- KNC Miner Jupiter 400Gh (September Delivery) - $7000 usd +shipping
- VMC Fast Hash One (Two 256 Gh One Modules) (October/November Delivery) - $7998 usd +shipping

UPDATE: Added by investor vote:
- HashFast Baby Jet 400 Gh (Late October Delivery) - $5,600 +shipping


Terms:
1 BTC invested = 1/X portion of profits from all mining machines combined
(X being the total amount invested on all equipment)

Products will be bought in the order they are listed. (As soon as $8000 is raised, a Bitfury 400 Gh will be bought. After that, as soon as $7000 is raised, a KNC Miner Jupiter 400 Gh will be ordered. After that, as soon as $7998 is raised, a VMC Fast Hash One will be ordered... Etc.. ) Machines will be ordered using this process until there is no more interest from investors. I will order as much equipment the group can afford, or order until I do not have anymore hosting space available, whichever comes first.

I reserve the right to change which products and/or manufacturers we order from in this group buy. I will use my best judgment to pursue the products that are in each investor’s best interest. The mining hardware world is ever changing, perhaps there may be a better deal tomorrow or next week that would suit each investor’s pocketbook better. The group will be notified if I'm contemplating changing/adding a product ordered to gather feedback.

If at anytime it is more profitable to mine ALT coins than Bitcoins, I reserve the right to direct our farm towards and ALT coin of my choosing. If at anytime a decent profit can be made by simply selling the hardware via eBay or auctioning on this forum etc, then I reserve the right to do so. Again, I will not do either of these without first consulting the group.

Electricity costs will be subtracted from each month’s dividend payments using the latest Mt. Gox average for cost calculation. The equipment will be hosted in my home where I have hosted a large Bitcoin/Litecoin farm for about a year now. After electricity costs are taken out, I will take out a 3% hosting fee, and then proceed to pay dividends to investors.

The equipment will be hosted on Eligius, allowing for complete transparency (many real time graphs and data for everyone to see), and also added benefit of a 0% pool fee from Eligius.

I am not responsible for hardware manufacturer non delivery under any circumstances. In the event that one manufacturer does not deliver, I will do my best to make sure that each investor’s funds are returned. Obviously this requires some cooperation from the manufacturer, but know that I will go to all lengths necessary to get our money back in the event of non-delivery, (including but not limited) to filing a lawsuit. Although I will make every effort to provide a safe and appropriate hosting environment, I cannot be held liable for hardware failure and theft of property (including computer security intrusions). Again, I will make every effort possible in these regards.

Share transfers will be allowed at any time, you may sell your shares to anyone you'd like via the forums or any way you'd like. As we've done with our previous group buy, selling shares in the auction sub forum has been probably the best way to do that. I monitor the Auction sub forums occasionally and will pop in and confirm you have the shares to sell. Share transfers will have a cut off date on the 27th day of each month. Whoever owns the stock on that day will receive the whole dividend for that month. Dividends will be payed at the end of each month.

I will keep extensive records of all transactions, share ownership, and share transfers in Excel format. These will be available at all times to all group buy participants after the funds have been collected and equipment ordered. I have worked hard to keep extensive records and maintain proper transparency with my first group buy and I will do the same with this one!

The group buy will have its own forums like my first, where I will provide news and updates and we can discuss all details as a group. I run my group buy like a democracy, I ask the group their opinion on almost every decision I make about the the group buy and our hardware. I tend to settle with the majority, but will in the rare case veto something if deemed extremely necessary.

This is a risky investment, I make no promise or guarantee of any profits. I only promise to offer an honest hosting service, anything that is out of my control cannot be blamed on me. (IE. manufacturer delays, etc.)

About Me:
I conducted one of the first (if not THE first) group buys for ASIC hardware on these forums when we ordered seven Batch 3 Avalons. I just received tracking information for my previous group buy, and I would say everyone is generally happy with my service and can attest to my trustworthiness. I have received the 7 Avalons ordered from this group buy and they are currently hashing here: http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/userstats.php/1QHZohmAdip28TM7U6KsyRXUrbvRvadtZB

Here are some pictures of farms I currently run/have ran in the past:






Apart from my previous group buy, I have also done over $20,000 worth of transactions on these forums without any problems at all. I have both bought and sold products and services numerous times on these forums and am as trustworthy as they come.

How To Invest:
*Only send in funds with an address that you can control. You must be able to sign transactions with this address so that you can prove you are the true sender of these Bitcoins in case there are any issues*

MINIMUM INVESTMENT IS 5 BTC- any amount received lower than 5 BTC will be sent back to the sender.
NOTE: Shareholders of my first group buy can buy in for a minimum of 1 BTC.

Please send your investment to: -redacted-
No longer accepting investments.

Please reply to this thread with how much BTC you sent AND the transaction ID!

Thank you for your time,

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August 05, 2013, 07:51:53 AM
Last edit: November 04, 2013, 11:40:55 PM by CoinHoarder
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List Of Investors:
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kawkaw2013; 50 BTC; 7f0f5c28f90fb7e4284f42da01c7685c5487c298ee90824973be3d7c528da2d5
msm595; 4.26 BTC; 9520008a953c4bab2101f4d2d956822267b1e13b1630770338e1bae69aee76bc
msm595; 0.24 BTC; 3d7b98c878cdd76b61b95d7474b8a7f97729ea04ae870e821b3c4cbeae957576
wisard; 130 BTC; dda80bf1cf812fec992f05faff6ab2c04e2bc705b1a141dee39d96aeacddd328
wisard (refund); 130 BTC; 24321a3e791fb5533c9236e0e6f1da04e91248f324548f1fb1bc195f40a1475f
daburone; 100 BTC; c8e8672d82493db2b0989545745c390703d07d69105491c743802cb9f265083b
pon; 6.1 BTC; c031d763fd00e4f6aa36e2590f6279f4a0bdc553aa2b3f772a5af39a92d0f7a0
jaeyjay; 5 BTC; 34d1cfffacdee71308f7eb85066351edce40192d57477dfda6e61e780548c6cf
TheJuice; 6 BTC; 9bbdc6db4b6d420ba299b36857813212ac12dfc327ecf368bc48e921f26f456a
Kushedout; 5 BTC; 5d1b0a79344448ce560f2c19b6f6c32b474c94790dca3390f645d9d9f936e365
AmDD; 10 BTC; 2b9f18fdf3aacc6ae37102f8f083cec941d766d38fe921a32f6febec1819da6b
flowdab; 40 BTC; a0f571ee792786c32014a46bc840ec0b2194c89feedc07428754fbdd9a98c414
bananton; 10 BTC; 96b7188bc5c5ccd91ac723e3726c1adfd4719e7926d2ee601083cfa634aa8495
trout; 5 BTC; 98827fab15818e0fdbe3cb69799eb9df9646c1807c4e6061644985b88148a1e5
trout; 1.4 BTC; 817d79a472f2516b900f6394c82f4b6d2cbb8d906d4b1439e29cb3bc07ce6283
trout; 2 BTC; 6b686a2628d77691c3b0ccdbe9ee6b2985018a505c312fa5150cdfe0c9f29434
trout (refund); 8.4 BTC; 704f3b637013a009486d7d4bdae11b267a93acfedd464e436939fe1e9e2c8f7f
bitwhizz; 10 BTC; 24660e221d8d6dd5e4652844b63b0256f6eaf8b3951c140f34bfb2e8788cb4c6
bitwhizz (refund); 0853507006aa4ee7bc9e0aba56f5bb9c09140fa1def81310b42a3f0083cdc523
elreyloen; 5 BTC; aa508faa04f5017caadf4f71528e80303897e5b98148184d48d0c584b16a3b6f
dbasql; 7 BTC; 8cea241d0c461d87f19bee87506c868729270803ad36489700466fae0785d7b4
dbasql (refund) 7 BTC; 87cc6812f67ab7dbf2c48364d1f4fc30b1cf46ffff3173ce22bf96cf8d3dffcf
eabedry; 5 BTC; 44c514a1b06251387de4ff78b43b4981f4141a11b9f3e56c69fc68c68b24fb97
silkycoins; 5.99 BTC; 7e04dcb20ebff58ebab78ffb8d548a096320b3b8b11a8b3dc2fdc785264ff3bd
hephaist0s; 5 BTC; 323937b0eb361075c77efd1462fd17162a2348f665f7e1ac12fc3359ad94b4bb
ojm; 5 BTC; 1db30325dc47a68199bd2e224cf3b38400ba13954aed11ab71313620f87b076f
chrcoe01; 3.94 BTC; 3b3615c2728aa812243e208e41190dc5f8d9bbe81c9b83084b465c1cff795c44
chrcoe01; 4.5 BTC; 2874cd18d4c79396dd133294ba2d3c79053cd43e67de80f94846ec48c9d7cc3a
ThingNL; 2 BTC; 308cf21435ed30b5d61327dffb98637bb5e18a65181b49398ed1ad58968cdf98
ThingNL; 3 BTC; 7682cf0b0c65f86f39842dbf9c7f993f1b3a3b7a2875f164893a61a7abbf091d
CoinHoarder; 5.7 BTC; 10b671d58fe6e017cc3fa6d58a4dcfdabd517e9a4fa878688cad2b45fed9852b
dex1; 5.1 BTC; 382aba2d8c50bba5713929b88ec774ff605a3a4260aed2c6d0dafee1cf89adc8
Pound_Note; 5 BTC; 9673edb1e2e5bb70a0685610746adb6af6bf0b3ff7e0f9fad54c2788a9523fda
Pound_Note (refund); 5 BTC; 317a52a06324b6c59e9fa029c38e4304c2b653845215cab7276767faf752cd65 & 1027e0e01438ccf1a69a76caab7d64107b5d7c64380d8d27edcc5b4ea58d0c96
bbmolo; 5 BTC; 3bfe8f740c2703c1c03c844f68205515e1e102cc5bb14bc8b35a33ea531840db
bbmolo (refund); 5 BTC; d0a7fa74be155442434a5c869a2bd7a79f7fe7d3e9e7b60cb40c2590cf51c068
pitkaran; 5 BTC; 83c2d3ae64d47e857de7b097a349eab777f4222c0f5036d91a3fb949755b19bc
pitkaran; 6 BTC; 8268359a3905923b35b031eab8c73fb68ca4850baa146bec91c12ff0b2aca7ee
pitkaran (refund) 11 BTC; 11f7a276f506612e9d20582ceba533a4ef0fdaada2af7ab592abee27a9bc1983
piecinitup; 5 BTC; edfd686099431574c8e3b8e18c698801109965573ae002f8edb4bee740937383
piecinitup (refund); 5 BTC; 758096ee1a99e63a86cdb07bd475e744a62d0118eb5f74d30f90951fb28885a2
JazzJackRabit; 7.7 BTC; 9add298211f9acf1800fb491ef8a878f7890a9aac458083e710b3be198aeb9d6
scotjam; 5 BTC; 7de0b349022c2b112c88a1891320b5d0a51af95dc54891c4457255dbf54083ad
scotjam (refund); 5 BTC; 9caf810152a271563e767c750ad437fdfd74a24f574be0e94268bfb973d090b5
wookee13; 10 BTC; a822a2f3fb412195627deea0404ab6e63c1090f82bec4906eb905d883a58016b
niner; 14 BTC; 0344ca8ba1897b86415e2cf8f76c143883208101a8c2eaaf690eeb49a4350a70
niner (refund); 14 BTC; 227128a909860a45da7e19732f0aa95ebf8240d3214822528e55ec43c3c45b9a
tal0n4; 50 BTC; 5323350f0c5fe7a92216531c97fad2e501297b08c5b03d442f3187a9a2bdb5d2
sang; 5 BTC; c0a12889027107ed0fe05d9fa6b8a4ce5f6198e154d3b67720b47f5abe4c6445
#BiT_pOL; 10 BTC; 87ba9ce4e5b2703b0dcfc246c93de09418e873fb304b309d197b8fe6e2efcf88
#BiT_pOl (refund); 10 BTC; 844b93831d34ddd211db4ae6128b04d6a8cac5b317f54fd23e1f0dc0aa3e7b3f
grchris; 5 BTC; 3421cd4d17e286ecd301337d077ad3c057679ac36fdd0c67b37858a1cc9dc5cd
Zedicus; 14 BTC; 4bdb9f02a7a2c4fff8abb6466a1cc0789fc7304f16a3c66ec8dc6040a4caaaeb
Zedicus (refund); 11.82290364 BTC; 42141a90d189ac21ea79a1f70a4da94e90c12fc35f3f216a50c25a2727a606d4
Zedicus (refund); 2.17719636 BTC; 25541429053fc8c34e15a631001acfe3785dc6f4a8398a0895a126428e461ba1
chriswen; 4.5 BTC; b0b2f89f5ff2f3bf00bccbdb9ae5bb2515a2a1bb0b61aa44e2b13c3e01b3fa66
chriswen (refund); 4.5 BTC; 0a7242b82874922d6c32fc2f0592a657d063acd986e8c1ed04c5db056373e267
louhija; 10 BTC; 15cbdcc70168c7c2569e072264a548283c0b960b1c1e59676bbf731da45675ce
louhija (refund); 10 BTC; c357e8a821238c0538c2de7e94fb72946b4efc328c6c279798b99fb4c4695ed5
Gredo; 10 BTC; f319a6b21478fab0b071d987a9c2231bc3a810ffcc109196619deaa2c24dd437
Gredo; 1 BTC;

Hardware Ordered:
2 Bitfury 400 Gh Kit - (October Delivery) - 164.8742 BTC
1 KNC Miner Jupiter 400Gh - (October Delivery) - 73.1469 BTC
2 VMC Fast Hash One 256 Gh - (October/November Delivery) - 79.03789636 BTC
1 HashFast Baby Jet 400 Gh - (Late October Delivery) - 59.1418 BTC
TOTAL: 376.20079636 BTC for 2112+ Gh

Updates:
- 8/24 - I'm just giving fair warning, I will likely end this group buy in less than two weeks- possibly as soon as a week. We are nearing hosting capacity. I reserve the right to end this offer at anytime and refund any funds that were not used in purchases. I am sorry for those of you who want to invest and get left out. There's only so much hardware I can host. Thank you for understanding. Make sure to send with an address you can receive with!
- 8/17 - There were only about 150 HashFast Baby Jet's left on their website, so I went ahead and picked one up a day early. I doubt the poll's decision changes, and I wanted to make sure they didn't run out.
- 8/16 - Deposits are back open- only about $800 usd worth of Bitcoin for the next group order of 2 HashFast Baby Jets.
- 8/16 - I will be ordering a HashFast Baby Jet for the group on Sunday if poll on our forums for them is still in favore of ordering one. If you haven't voted yet and care either way, please go vote: http://www.yourcoins.org/forums/threads/should-we-order-hashfast-products.58/
- 8/15 - Deposits are placed on hold until further notice. I would like to figure out which of the new hardware companies we will invest in (if any), before collecting anymore funds. Thanks.
- 8/10 - Ordering new hardware has been temporarily placed on hold. I am expecting a couple announcements soon from Cointerra and xCrowd- possibly Avalon, which will greatly change the available options. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268280.msg2907232#msg2907232
- 8/10 - Please register for our forums. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268280.msg2903446#msg2903446
- 8/7 - Another October Bitfury 400 Gh ordered, also an explanation of the transactions having to do with our VMC purchases. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268280.msg2888454#msg2888454
- 8/6 - The first hardware orders have been placed. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=268280.msg2881843#msg2881843
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August 05, 2013, 08:39:57 AM
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I'm interested. I'll crunch some numbers and get back to you.

BTW, how much Gh does the dog put out?  Grin
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August 05, 2013, 08:47:28 AM
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I'm interested. I'll crunch some numbers and get back to you.

BTW, how much Gh does the dog put out?  Grin

Ok cool! He does about negative 50Gh (as in.. that's how many Gh it takes to feed him.. he eats a lot!)  Smiley
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August 05, 2013, 10:32:30 AM
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I am interested in 15 BTC. Some questions remain:

Have the miners already been ordered?

Which delivery day is the KNC miner at?

Whats the GH output per BTC?
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August 05, 2013, 01:46:19 PM
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Has anyone taken delivery of a VMC Fast-Hash yet?

 
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August 05, 2013, 07:14:37 PM
Last edit: August 05, 2013, 08:36:01 PM by CoinHoarder
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I am interested in 15 BTC. Some questions remain:

Have the miners already been ordered?
Not yet, no one has sent in any funds as of yet.

Which delivery day is the KNC miner at?
I think that estimating delivery day stuff is silly... no one really knows when each order will be delivered. Also, nothing has been ordered yet.

Whats the GH output per BTC?
It's about 0.16975 BTC per Gh minus expenses. The point of this group buy isn't really to order the cheapest hardware (although I have tried to find the best/cheapest offerings). It is to spread the risk across multiple manufacturers so that in case one delays, we will still be hashing with the other 2 company's equipment.


See answers in bold.
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August 05, 2013, 07:15:32 PM
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Has anyone taken delivery of a VMC Fast-Hash yet?

They are not shipping yet. They are scheduled to ship October/November this year.
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August 05, 2013, 07:55:37 PM
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Hi Ch,

I just sent 50 btc. Please confirm receipt.

I think your idea of diversification of suppliers is great. It's the biggest risk that we face. Delays cost money!

I'd be ok if you were to change your terms to provide you with the flexibility of mining alt coins rather than bitcoins later on. Who knows what will be the best use of the gear in a few months time?

I will also be ok if you were to dispose of the miners via eBay or auctioning on this forum etc. Hopefully there will be future group buys where we can get the latest equipment.

I love your dog!

Cheers!





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August 05, 2013, 08:14:23 PM
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Hi Ch,

I just sent 50 btc. Please confirm receipt.

I think your idea of diversification of suppliers is great. It's the biggest risk that we face. Delays cost money!

I'd be ok if you were to change your terms to provide you with the flexibility of mining alt coins rather than bitcoins later on. Who knows what will be the best use of the gear in a few months time?

I will also be ok if you were to dispose of the miners via eBay or auctioning on this forum etc. Hopefully there will be future group buys where we can get the latest equipment.

I love your dog!

Cheers!

Thanks for getting us started. I can confirm I received 50 BTC from you, I will get an owners list started. The other person whom was interested as well, should be sending in his funds soon so we are well on our way with about 170 BTC already!

"I'd be ok if you were to change your terms to provide you with the flexibility of mining alt coins rather than bitcoins later on. Who knows what will be the best use of the gear in a few months time?

I will also be ok if you were to dispose of the miners via eBay or auctioning on this forum etc. Hopefully there will be future group buys where we can get the latest equipment."

I think these are good ideas, I will probably go ahead and add them to the terms pending the other investor's approval. As of now we only have two people + myself, so it would be easier to change them now than in the future.

I love my dog too. Robbers beware, this 125 pound beast will rip you to shreds (he wouldn't hurt a fly!) Smiley

Thanks again,

Ch
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I sent 4.26 (all I had on me right now. But I'm a previous investor Smiley.

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August 06, 2013, 01:16:24 AM
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$8k = 75 btc at gox. 400ghz / 75 = 5.33 Ghz per 1 BTC.

Let me see how many btcs I can afford...
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August 06, 2013, 01:18:46 AM
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CH, I'll probably invest some. Let me see what I can gather up, spreading the risk is a good idea!

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August 06, 2013, 01:43:57 AM
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I sent 4.26 (all I had on me right now. But I'm a previous investor Smiley.

Confirmed.  Smiley
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August 06, 2013, 01:48:45 AM
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$8k = 75 btc at gox. 400ghz / 75 = 5.33 Ghz per 1 BTC.

Let me see how many btcs I can afford...

$8k = 75 btc at gox. 400ghz / 75 = 5.33 Ghz per 1 BTC.

Let me see how many btcs I can afford...

Ok guys. No hurry I suppose, I will leave it open until I reach my hosting limit.

I won't have my BTC to invest until a few days either. All of my first couple dividend payments from the 7 dwarfs (yes, we nicknamed our Avalons) are going to go towards this too. Smiley
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August 06, 2013, 01:17:05 PM
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130 BTC sent.

https://blockchain.info/tx/dda80bf1cf812fec992f05faff6ab2c04e2bc705b1a141dee39d96aeacddd328

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August 06, 2013, 04:19:04 PM
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100 BTC sent

https://blockchain.info/tx/c8e8672d82493db2b0989545745c390703d07d69105491c743802cb9f265083b

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August 06, 2013, 11:27:02 PM
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Thanks guys.

I will update the list of investors and put in our first orders tonight for a KNC Jupiter and Bitfury 400 Gh!

Next funds received will go towards a VMC Fast-Hash-One. I also hope Cointerra releases product information  and prices soon, I would like to add them to the list of hardware investments.. they seem like a very experienced team.
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6.1 BTC sent.

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Confirmed & updated. Smiley
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