Elizabeth T. Ploshay for Bitcoin Foundation board

[NewLiberty]

i should add that i'm not a member of the BF so i'm not voting.

nor do i have a vested interest or horse in this game.  never even met Platzer.

i'm just looking to help the best candidate from my perspective.

It is unfortunately political, and so the best are often not even in the running, they are too busy getting stuff done.
I have nothing bad to say about any of the candidates, but having met Elizabeth, and worked with her a bit, I would like to see her have more challenges worthy of her talents.

[RodeoX]

With all the people interested they should open slots for committees so some of the losing candidates can still get involved.

That's a good idea man. I would hope that some of the other candidates will remain involved. There are some good people with a lot to contribute. Even non candidates and bitcoiners outside of the foundation should have their ideas heard and have a role in steering the board.
 

[cypherdoc]

With all the people interested they should open slots for committees so some of the losing candidates can still get involved.

That's a good idea man. I would hope that some of the other candidates will remain involved. There are some good people with a lot to contribute. Even non candidates and bitcoiners outside of the foundation should have their ideas heard and have a role in steering the board.
 

it is a good idea but the one thing i fail to understand is the closed nature of their forum.

why would this be?

[zachcope]

She was quite annoying to listen to on the letstalkbitcoin debates.
I actually thought she was a computer programmed to spout various pro bitcoin and pro libertarian phrases at random.
Her focus is far too Washington centric.
Personally I like the Europeans and any of the others who don't want to pay for bitcoin lobbyists.

There are some models of how to influence people re new ideas somewhere - go for easier areas first so if that's not USA - who cares. The spotify guy did an interview on there re how they started in one of the Scandinavian countries first then spread to larger ones once they had demonstrated the advantages to the music industry.

[RodeoX]

With all the people interested they should open slots for committees so some of the losing candidates can still get involved.

That's a good idea man. I would hope that some of the other candidates will remain involved. There are some good people with a lot to contribute. Even non candidates and bitcoiners outside of the foundation should have their ideas heard and have a role in steering the board.
 

it is a good idea but the one thing i fail to understand is the closed nature of their forum.

why would this be?

I have heard talk of at least a public section of the forums.
[guessing] Some of the discussions are kept away from the public not because the public is not welcome, but to plan without tipping our hand to decision makers in the government and hostile industries. As banks, payment processors, and trigger happy regulators better understand bitcoin they are likely going to fight harder. We don't want them to have access to all our plans. [/guessing]
The forum over there is also dwarfed by bitcointalk. Like most in the foundation I spend more time here.  

 

[qwk]

I have heard talk of at least a public section of the forums.
[guessing] Some of the discussions are kept away from the public not because the public is not welcome, but to plan without tipping our hand to decision makers in the government and hostile industries. As banks, payment processors, and trigger happy regulators better understand bitcoin they are likely going to fight harder. We don't want them to have access to all our plans. [/guessing]
The forum over there is also dwarfed by bitcointalk. Like most in the foundation I spend more time here.

There are a lot of good reasons why the Foundation's forums are not open to the public.
Triggering the attention of adversaries is just one of them.

But the main reason might quite frankly be that there is bitcointalk. We don't need to, nor do we want to divert the attention of the community. Running a large public forum is just not a reasonable thing for the Foundation to do.

I personally would prefer to keep the Foundation's forums private.

And yes, I, too, spend a lot more time here than there. Probably 99 to 1.

[TomHirsch]

Nobody can explain why they support her.

This guy explained it just fine:

Fuckin' Jews stick together, don't they?

But other than being a jew, and openly pushing her gender biases, I can't see any information why she should be favored.

For the record, I don't hate women and I don't hate jews.  I hate those who would put a less qualified person ahead of another - based upon religion or sex.  Clearly she is not ready for the job until she can shake these very problematic ideals.

[Abdussamad]

And I'd ask you to post evidence of me "pushing the Israel agenda" but we both know you can't because it's not an issue I think the US should be involved in, and haven't ever posted one way or the other on the topic.

You support Ploshay. She lobbies on behalf of Israel. That is what she's built her career on. So that means you support an Israeli agenda too.

[aigeezer]

Many of them are young people like theymos who think that because they have been involved in something for 2 or 3 years (something they characterize as some huge amount of time) that it gives them some sort of elevated status.

Whoaaa there...where did this come from?  Lets not jump to conclusions based on stereotypes.

Your posts always resonate with me - you think clearly. I'm on the wrong side of 70, fwiw. Ageism sucks, and it's rampant here.

As for the candidate, she's the only candidate with a "T." - surely that is enough gravitas for any candidate for any office in these difficult times.   

Stay alert, folks.

[TomHirsch]

First this person posts in the third person:

I've explained my personal support of her...  It's because I know her and believe she...

 I think the Foundation would benefit more from Elizabeth's membership than others.

Then posts again in the first person:

I love having a culturally jewish last name, when I...; my... name I know...  I've pissed...

The dishonest 'recommendation' of herself is certainly enough to consider her character unqualified for the board.

[NewLiberty]

I have heard talk of at least a public section of the forums.
[guessing] Some of the discussions are kept away from the public not because the public is not welcome, but to plan without tipping our hand to decision makers in the government and hostile industries. As banks, payment processors, and trigger happy regulators better understand bitcoin they are likely going to fight harder. We don't want them to have access to all our plans. [/guessing]
The forum over there is also dwarfed by bitcointalk. Like most in the foundation I spend more time here.  

I would guess that "the government" and "hostile industries" can well afford the member fee if they care to watch the sausages being made.

[mindtomatter]

First this person posts in the third person:

I've explained my personal support of her...  It's because I know her and believe she...

 I think the Foundation would benefit more from Elizabeth's membership than others.

Then posts again in the first person:

I love having a culturally jewish last name, when I...; my... name I know...  I've pissed...

The dishonest 'recommendation' of herself is certainly enough to consider her character unqualified for the board.

Yeah... I'm definitely not Elizabeth, I'm this guy and I was actually referenced by name in the post you apparently failed to understand.  See here's the funny thing about people who hate other people just because they think they belong to some group they don't like. It means the reality of the situation doesn't matter because the bigot is looking for a reason, facts be damned.

I'd tell you to check your facts but as mentioned, those don't matter to you.  Like I said, I love having a Jewish last name because I've got no faith to be insulted and it lets the bigots show everybody who they are.

No wonder Adam B. Levine is so keen on her; both push the Israel agenda.

Fuckin' Jews stick together, don't they?

Nothing quite like a little bigotry in the morning.   I love having a culturally jewish last name, when I start getting attacked for my name I know I've pissed people off and they've got nothing real.

Religiously, I'm agnostic.  Don't care if there's a God, it doesn't effect me.  Never went to church, not a part of my life.

And I'd ask you to post evidence of me "pushing the Israel agenda" but we both know you can't because it's not an issue I think the US should be involved in, and haven't ever posted one way or the other on the topic.

So now that we're past that little gem, what other ways do you want to demonstrate your bias and bigotry or was that all the ammo a creative guy like you could come up with?

[2112]

This is what I mean.  Nobody can explain why they support her.  They either repeat the Motherhood statements or divert attention to referencing the idiot posts.  The fact that people posted an offensive post doesn't say anything about why someone should or should not vote for her.  I don't think is especially bad or wrong and I don't "hate" her, I just don't see why she would be picked once you compare the qualifications and statements of all the candidates.  Since nobody can really articulate that it makes me suspicious given some the weird things that go on at that Foundation.

To the east of the Iron Curtain the explanation was "passive, mediocre, but faithful". Lots of people here are going to learn how to recognize the westernized equivalent of an http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apparatchik .

To the west of the Iron Curtain I think the "honest politician" explanation from late 19-th century is still the best: "An honest politician is one who, when he is bought, will stay bought," (although the gender doesn't agree here.)

I'm going to enjoy those threads which give out the smell of the freshly laundered private garments.

[drama247365]

No wonder Adam B. Levine is so keen on her; both push the Israel agenda.

Fuckin' Jews stick together, don't they?

Nothing quite like a little bigotry in the morning.   I love having a culturally jewish last name, when I start getting attacked for my name I know I've pissed people off and they've got nothing real.

Religiously, I'm agnostic.  Don't care if there's a God, it doesn't effect me.  Never went to church, not a part of my life.

And I'd ask you to post evidence of me "pushing the Israel agenda" but we both know you can't because it's not an issue I think the US should be involved in, and haven't ever posted one way or the other on the topic.

So now that we're past that little gem, what other ways do you want to demonstrate your bias and bigotry or was that all the ammo a creative guy like you could come up with?

It's actually a quote from Casino LOL. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-3LdatYb2Jht72/casino_1995_avoiding_each_other/

[RodeoX]

I have heard talk of at least a public section of the forums.
[guessing] Some of the discussions are kept away from the public not because the public is not welcome, but to plan without tipping our hand to decision makers in the government and hostile industries. As banks, payment processors, and trigger happy regulators better understand bitcoin they are likely going to fight harder. We don't want them to have access to all our plans. [/guessing]
The forum over there is also dwarfed by bitcointalk. Like most in the foundation I spend more time here.  

I would guess that "the government" and "hostile industries" can well afford the member fee if they care to watch the sausages being made.

That's a good point. And now we know they could wave the fee and just break in. 

[mindtomatter]

No wonder Adam B. Levine is so keen on her; both push the Israel agenda.

Fuckin' Jews stick together, don't they?

Nothing quite like a little bigotry in the morning.   I love having a culturally jewish last name, when I start getting attacked for my name I know I've pissed people off and they've got nothing real.

Religiously, I'm agnostic.  Don't care if there's a God, it doesn't effect me.  Never went to church, not a part of my life.

And I'd ask you to post evidence of me "pushing the Israel agenda" but we both know you can't because it's not an issue I think the US should be involved in, and haven't ever posted one way or the other on the topic.

So now that we're past that little gem, what other ways do you want to demonstrate your bias and bigotry or was that all the ammo a creative guy like you could come up with?

It's actually a quote from Casino LOL. http://www.metacafe.com/watch/an-3LdatYb2Jht72/casino_1995_avoiding_each_other/

Saying that I support elizabeth because I have a jewish last name, is that part of the quote or did you decide the quoted bigotry wasn't enough?

[RodeoX]

Saying that I support elizabeth because I have a jewish last name, is that part of the quote or did you decide the quoted bigotry wasn't enough?

The funny part is that Elizabeth is not even a Jew. She is a woman though, perhaps our resident bigots could go after that? 

[Ipsum]

Saying that I support elizabeth because I have a jewish last name, is that part of the quote or did you decide the quoted bigotry wasn't enough?

The funny part is that Elizabeth is not even a Jew. She is a woman though, perhaps our resident bigots could go after that? 

She went to Wheaton College, a thoroughly conservative Christian institution. I'm not sure a committed Jewish person could take going there!

[mindtomatter]

Saying that I support elizabeth because I have a jewish last name, is that part of the quote or did you decide the quoted bigotry wasn't enough?

The funny part is that Elizabeth is not even a Jew. She is a woman though, perhaps our resident bigots could go after that? 

Yeah you missed that earlier in the thread.

[Kouye]

What if we actually didn't need any pyramidal politically fucked-up foundation, and just BTC-crowd-funded any need to hire honest lawyers/developers/senators/head-hunters/etc. ?