Bitcoinorama: Shill for KNC? Hardware is too full of sock puppets

[Minor Miner]

I would like to hear other people's opinions as I am mostly interested in mining hardware and how mining affects me and I have noticed that the level of information in most of the ASIC forums is terrible because of people that I believe act like sock puppet accounts of the OP (in whatever post you choose).   They only venture out to attack competitors and other than that sit in their forum and attack anyone who questions anything.   And they all spend an unreasonable amount of time posting for anyone who is just an interested party (or even a zealot).   VBS seems to be one but Ken actually changed his structure to make things more fair.   We all know about the twit Josh/Inaba.   But, I would like people to weigh in on Bitcoinorama.

Joined April 23.  About two weeks after KNC started by saying they had a project and had been pushed really hard by hero members.   Posted a couple bs comments and then started writing essays almost exclusively defending KNC and PRing them.   Then branched out to attack their competitors and still has time to sit on KNC board attacking any naysayers.

Time on bitcointalk:  650 hours since joining.   I give him 12 per day to sleep, eat, shower, shit and shave, and there has been 112 days since he joined.   650 / (112 * 12 remaining hours per day) = 48% of the time that he is awake and not eating/going to the bathroom/cleaning himself Bitcoinorama is on these forums attacking competitors or naysayers of KNC AND pumping up KNC.

Read his first posts.   "total noob"   "just happened upon bitcoin"

Thoughts?

[CoinHoarder]

Funny that you posted this thread at the same time I posted this: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=170332.msg2925699#msg2925699

[warhawk187]

Here we go....

The guy put up a huge post about consumer protection and now hes a shill? Seriously, what the fuck are you guys smoking?

Avalon needs to ship those chips now so everyone is spending more time off these boards.

[CoinHoarder]

Here we go....

The guy put up a huge post about consumer protection and now hes a shill? Seriously, what the fuck are you guys smoking?

Avalon needs to ship those chips now so everyone is spending more time off these boards.

Notice who gets his A+ rating at the bottom of his OP in the consumer protection thread?

Wait for it....

KNC

(oh and BFL lol- which is safe to add to the list because he knows BFL isn't competition to KNC at this point because everyone hates them.)

[jspielberg]

I for one think he is legit, and means well.

I think he is well spoken, clear thinking and not rash, and is one of the few "adults" of the new members on the forum.

I also think he has put all his mining eggs in one basket and is very intent on seeing his "home team" win possibly at the detriment of others.  I don't think he intentionally it is trying to hurt the competition.  I just think he is prone to look at KnC in the best possible light and the competition with not the same point of view.  i.e. biased.

[Minor Miner]

Here we go....
The guy put up a huge post about consumer protection and now hes a shill? Seriously, what the fuck are you guys smoking?
Avalon needs to ship those chips now so everyone is spending more time off these boards.

These clowns don't even know what a shill is. They see it thrown around on the forum and just use it to sound cool.
If you look back at 90% of the retards that make their own posts like this you'll notice a pattern. All of their responses are troll responses or pure stupid without any substance.

Do not assume people here are stupid.   Calling him a shill is polite, personally I think the account is a sock puppet.   I have no problem with consumer protection warhawk but that is not his goal.  Read more of his posts.  Yes, avalon needs to ship (just like they should have shipped our SILVER batch IIs that they are still mining with).

[CoinHoarder]

These clowns don't even know what a shill is.

I even included a definition of the word shill in my previous post ITT because I knew someone would bring this up. In case you missed it: Merriam-Webster: "to act as a spokesperson or promoter"

Many words have many different meanings. Just because someone uses another meaning for a word, it does not make it wrong, it just means that perhaps you don't know the English language as well as you thought you did.

You cannot deny that Bitcoinorama is a promoter for KNC...

[Bitcoinorama]

I'm no shill. I've been totally honest about any affiliation.

I visited them in Sweden and asked Q's you guys wanted whilst considering my own purchase and a jolly to Stockholm.

I met other forum members there. They were there before I arrived bag in hand from the airport. I can provide evidence of flights from the UK to Sweden if you're that bothered.

I have studied an engineering discipline and would like to work in Bitcoin, maybe KnC, but I don't want to receive any payment unless they prove they can deliver for the exact reason I don't want to have any responsibly for your own decisions.

I can say KnC are real and exist as I have been there.

I cannot and will not influence your decision making. You are responsible for your own research and due diligence.

I only share my own research, of which a lot is clearly KnC based as they are work in progress for me and I now have a vested interest.

By that statement I could also be a shill for Visa, Mcard and all card issuers!?

I don't want to see companies fail, I'm just fed up of seeing people ripped off. I believe Hashfast are real, I believe Cointerra are real. I haven't behaved maliciously towards them, but there is a long way to go before they offer people a safe and secure purchase.

Have you ever seen me say anything, anything but positive comments towards Bitfury? I'm in awe of that guy and his distribution means except card.

As for the date I joined, you're looking for reasons to throw accusations. Look at my posting history. I spent a significant amount of time in other threads before KnC were even on my radar.

It's cool to be inquisitive or uncertain, but don't jump to conclusions. I've a specific checklist of what O look for before committing to a purchase and BTC has been abused as a pre-order payment method. Fact.

[kendog77]

I for one think he is legit, and means well.

I think he is well spoken, clear thinking and not rash, and is one of the few "adults" of the new members on the forum.

I also think he has put all his mining eggs in one basket and is very intent on seeing his "home team" win possibly at the detriment of others.  I don't think he intentionally it is trying to hurt the competition.  I just think he is prone to look at KnC in the best possible light and the competition with not the same point of view.  i.e. biased.

Agreed. I like a lot of Bitcoinorama's posts and do think he means well. He is biased towards KncMiner, but I have found a lot of his posts to be helpful. He's definitely a proponent of KncMiner, but I don't think he's a shill.

Also, the jury is still out on KncMiner but they haven't screwed over the community yet unlike BFL and Avalon. I'm very interested to see if Knc can deliver on their promises...

[2112]

For the edification of the readers I'm going to repost something I wrote last year. Since that time I also came across the information that the courts in other states than Nevada, e.g. California, Connecticut (and some others) concurred with upheld this definition even though it wasn't directly pertaining to their jurisdiction and to the "card games".

One of the very few places that still define the word shill is Nevada Gaming Commission Control Board:

Card game shill: An employee engaged and financed by the licensee as a player for the purpose of starting and/or maintaining a sufficient number of players in a card game.

I'm not aware of any recent rulings. But around 2000 there was a ruling about shilling on the trade show "World Gaming Expo" for the purpose of creating traffic in an exhibition booth. They were hiring women strippers to wear the business suits and show up in the booth and ask questions. They were ruled to be shills, regardless of what they were displaying on the badge or the business card.

[Bitcoinorama]

Here we go....

The guy put up a huge post about consumer protection and now hes a shill? Seriously, what the fuck are you guys smoking?

Avalon needs to ship those chips now so everyone is spending more time off these boards.

Notice who gets his A+ rating at the bottom of his OP in the consumer protection thread?

Wait for it....

KNC

(oh and BFL lol- which is safe to add to the list because he knows BFL isn't competition to KNC at this point because everyone hates them.)

Dude show me another company that offers a secure payment?

It's open to every western country. There's a reason why they don't bother and it's risk on the side of the people behind the company.

BFL are majorly regretting this, fact is though there are threads and thread here of people claiming they can't have a refund, because Butterfly Labs told them not to.

I'll remove the KnC bit if you think it's a bit sleezy, but whatever that's where my research took me.

I should actually add Bitfury to it as some of his distros now do accept card, but I need to read more into that there.

Of course I'm going to have most knowledge on what I've dedicated most time to.

Do you honestly think I would have known, or had any interest in Swedish Consumer Law six months back?!!

All I knew was they had hot women and expensive beer!

[CoinHoarder]

Listen, I'm not saying that you are for certain a shill. All I said was that it was likely, or a better term would be that it is a possibility.

I agree with you ordering with a CC provides more consumer protection than ordering with Bitcoins (duh). I just thought it was ironic that you post something like that where knc is determined as the winner, compared to your previous posting history.

After reading all of your posts for months, is it really that hard to see why someone maybe would think you are a shill?

[SirWizz]

Here are my thoughts... get a life. Seriously. Unless you're someone else's sock puppet, of course. I have yet to see anyone (myself included) posting as much useful information as Bitcoinorama in this section of the forums. If you have anything against Bitcoinorama use PM's or prove him wrong by showing you're smarter and more informed than him (can I laugh now? ).

[xcrowd]

There had been a high influx of new forum members in that period of time so it's most likely just a coincidence and the long hours spent on this forum can be explained somewhat. Doubt that he's a shill but rather more interested in ensuring a return in his investment in KNC.

Everyone has a bias so you should simply think for yourself and do a bit more research to inform yourself of the market and the potential pitfalls without relying too much on a few highly opinionated members on BT.

[Bitcoinorama]

Also I do tend to get drawn into a slanging match when provoked or I see intentional FUD being spread about something I know is not the case, and regardless of the sincerity of any intention that's clearly a dumb move on my part. Whatever if you think my intentions are nefarious then double your research, cross your 't's' and dot you 'i's', at least I can be held accountable for encouraging a better research work ethic on that part.

It's astounding how little research people do before investing large sums, and this isn't limited to a few thousand here and there. I've seen biiig money spent stupidly. I cannot believe people are as trusting as try have been on this forum.

Yifu aside, he had a proven product and I really, really liked the guy. Very charismatic, but he is definitely not being honest currently, and the only way to encourage him is to educate yourself on what legal avenues exist.

In any case, truly I'm not a sock puppet or a shill, but I do have a lot of time on my hands currently and for good reason, otherwise I'd be out on my bike all day!

[Minor Miner]

There had been a high influx of new forum members in that period of time so it's most likely just a coincidence and the long hours spent on this forum can be explained somewhat. Doubt that he's a shill but rather more interested in ensuring a return in his investment in KNC.

Everyone has a bias so you should simply think for yourself and do a bit more research to inform yourself of the market and the potential pitfalls without relying too much on a few highly opinionated members on BT.

Sensible reply.   You touched on my point.   I WANT to read EVERYTHING in every hardware thread.   I do not want it polluted with long double spaced comments that have an agenda.   I would rather have someone ATTACK and then get to read the response of the SELLER (KnC or AM or Hashfast etc.).   I also hate all the pictures and gifs that make it 292 pages to read when there is really only 30 pages of info.

[bitcoinarnold]

Just another shill, same with cypherdock or whatever his name is, bitcoinorama posts as if it's his 24/7 job.

[miter_myles]

Meh, not sure.. but copying and pasting the same WSJ article in about every thread yesterday or whenever it was recently was annoying as hell.. 

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I'm no shill. I've been totally honest about any affiliation.

I visited them in Sweden and asked Q's you guys wanted whilst considering my own purchase and a jolly to Stockholm.

I met other forum members there. They were there before I arrived bag in hand from the airport. I can provide evidence of flights from the UK to Sweden if you're that bothered.

I have studied an engineering discipline and would like to work in Bitcoin, maybe KnC, but I don't want to receive any payment unless they prove they can deliver for the exact reason I don't want to have any responsibly for your own decisions.

I can say KnC are real and exist as I have been there.

I cannot and will not influence your decision making. You are responsible for your own research and due diligence.

I only share my own research, of which a lot is clearly KnC based as they are work in progress for me and I now have a vested interest.

By that statement I could also be a shill for Visa, Mcard and all card issuers!?

I don't want to see companies fail, I'm just fed up of seeing people ripped off. I believe Hashfast are real, I believe Cointerra are real. I haven't behaved maliciously towards them, but there is a long way to go before they offer people a safe and secure purchase.

Have you ever seen me say anything, anything but positive comments towards Bitfury? I'm in awe of that guy and his distribution means except card.

As for the date I joined, you're looking for reasons to throw accusations. Look at my posting history. I spent a significant amount of time in other threads before KnC were even on my radar.

It's cool to be inquisitive or uncertain, but don't jump to conclusions. I've a specific checklist of what O look for before committing to a purchase and BTC has been abused as a pre-order payment method. Fact.

I only read half this post, and I'm sorry to say...wait for it...+1.

I was rather critical of KnC and Bitcoinorama at the beginning, but not so much now. But, please keep a watchful eye on them, acting in the most professional manner as possible, while I go and stick it up BFL's ass.  

Oh, and BTW, did I read somewhere that some outfit has chips tied up in custom?

[jspielberg]

Listen, I'm not saying that you are for certain a shill. All I said was that it was likely, or a better term would be that it is a possibility.

I agree with you ordering with a CC provides more consumer protection than ordering with Bitcoins (duh). I just thought it was ironic that you post something like that where knc is determined as the winner, compared to your previous posting history.

After reading all of your posts for months, is it really that hard to see why someone maybe would think you are a shill?

If by the definition you presented... "i.e. a promoter" I have to confess that I am shill for Bitfury, HashFash, and Avalon (shivver).