BFL current state of affairs

[Todamont]

I upgraded an order from a Jalapeno model to a Single SC model, back before the price raise. At the time, I SPECIFICALLY asked whether or not this would affect my place in line for shipping, and BFL told me in no unclear terms that it wouldn't. They lied to me. They are now shipping Jalas to people who ordered in LATE NOVEMBER, while my Single SC order dated late JULY is still far, far from being produced. They were on a contract with a LOT of people who depended on them to ship IN ORDER, which they completely failed to do. Now all the earliest, largest order-holders are watching their expected return dwindle to nothing, all the money they invested is going to people who ordered Jalas months after them.

In short: BFL is a scam. They are basically running an investment LOTTERY... BFL LIED TO ME AND THEY ROBBED ME. They do not respond when I write them asking for a refund. They banned me from their shoutbox.

This is what I see happening during September at BFL: at least one very large order-holder will ask for a refund on the order of six-figures, which they will deny. Then, they will be hit with a lawsuit from a high-powered law firm, and shut down during investigation by the FTC. Their executives will be arrested for investment fraud. The only people who will make any money are those who manage to get a device delivered by the end of August. All others will lose their entire investment in BFL.

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I just had to repost this 

Good luck getting your refunds!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[sveetsnelda]

Who's deploying then?  The network hashrate seems to be going up in lockstep with the amount of hashrate we are shipping out, give or take a slight deviation.

I know some forum members who probably aren't on the same page as you, and I'm sure there are plenty more of these out there.

[k9quaint]

Who's deploying then?  The network hashrate seems to be going up in lockstep with the amount of hashrate we are shipping out, give or take a slight deviation.

I know some forum members who probably aren't on the same page as you, and I'm sure there are plenty more of these out there.

That is almost 600GH/s in that picture.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Who's deploying then?  The network hashrate seems to be going up in lockstep with the amount of hashrate we are shipping out, give or take a slight deviation.

It's like High School, show your work (math) or you get no credit.

Much like I told Flying Hellfish, once you become an adult, you will realize that reality (and the rest of the world) does not care about you.  Reality is what it is, you can accept it or deny it, but it will still be reality.  Nothing needs to be proven, no work needs to be shown.  You either accept reality or you deny it, the choice is up to you.  Reality doesn't care about you and what you believe, and just like I told Mr. Hellfish, neither do I. 

Speaking about being an adult, when are you going to answer the question posed by several of your adult peers?

What's the status of the FCC certification you're on record in stating would be available in two weeks back in November of last year?

Why do you continue to ignore this question each and every time it's been asked (over 100 times now), and not just by me, your favorite nemesis?

[Phinnaeus Gage]

BFL has bigger things to worry about than people who can do math adding up the shipped hash rate and realizing that BFL is not shipping much.

BFL got subpoenaed a few days ago by a regulator.
The Kansas AG is investigating BFL.
PayPal is pissed at BFL.
The FTC is investigating BFL.
The KC police department is investigating BFL.
Even Sonny's probation officer is sniffing around his latest investment scam.

Now that pre-orders are drying up, Josh is back trying to milk the last few dollars out of bitcointalk.

Josh is only here because his rainbow poodle is in heat and Sonny's dick is sore, thus he's seeking a fix, knowing damn well we'll stick it up his ass.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

For those who missed it the first time!

I upgraded an order from a Jalapeno model to a Single SC model, back before the price raise. At the time, I SPECIFICALLY asked whether or not this would affect my place in line for shipping, and BFL told me in no unclear terms that it wouldn't. They lied to me. They are now shipping Jalas to people who ordered in LATE NOVEMBER, while my Single SC order dated late JULY is still far, far from being produced. They were on a contract with a LOT of people who depended on them to ship IN ORDER, which they completely failed to do. Now all the earliest, largest order-holders are watching their expected return dwindle to nothing, all the money they invested is going to people who ordered Jalas months after them.

In short: BFL is a scam. They are basically running an investment LOTTERY... BFL LIED TO ME AND THEY ROBBED ME. They do not respond when I write them asking for a refund. They banned me from their shoutbox.

This is what I see happening during September at BFL: at least one very large order-holder will ask for a refund on the order of six-figures, which they will deny. Then, they will be hit with a lawsuit from a high-powered law firm, and shut down during investigation by the FTC. Their executives will be arrested for investment fraud. The only people who will make any money are those who manage to get a device delivered by the end of August. All others will lose their entire investment in BFL.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Who's deploying then?  The network hashrate seems to be going up in lockstep with the amount of hashrate we are shipping out, give or take a slight deviation.

I know some forum members who probably aren't on the same page as you, and I'm sure there are plenty more of these out there.

I'm utterly amazed at the network hashrate BFL has shipped. One question: Those fans from BFL, are they hooked up in parallel or in series? Also, when you overclock BFL's fan, does that effect the clock buffers or the moffits(?)?

[Bitcoinorama]

The only people who will make any money are those who manage to get a device delivered by the end of August. All others will lose their entire investment in BFL.

That's not true. Those that had the forward thinking and due diligence to check with their credit card issuer to determine what payment protection exists an whether they are covered for a sufficient period of time and used that card to pay will be fine.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=272585.0

ONLY pay for pre-orders on card!

[hope4me]

I upgraded an order from a Jalapeno model to a Single SC model, back before the price raise. At the time, I SPECIFICALLY asked whether or not this would affect my place in line for shipping, and BFL told me in no unclear terms that it wouldn't. They lied to me. They are now shipping Jalas to people who ordered in LATE NOVEMBER, while my Single SC order dated late JULY is still far, far from being produced. They were on a contract with a LOT of people who depended on them to ship IN ORDER, which they completely failed to do. Now all the earliest, largest order-holders are watching their expected return dwindle to nothing, all the money they invested is going to people who ordered Jalas months after them.

In short: BFL is a scam. They are basically running an investment LOTTERY... BFL LIED TO ME AND THEY ROBBED ME. They do not respond when I write them asking for a refund. They banned me from their shoutbox.

This is what I see happening during September at BFL: at least one very large order-holder will ask for a refund on the order of six-figures, which they will deny. Then, they will be hit with a lawsuit from a high-powered law firm, and shut down during investigation by the FTC. Their executives will be arrested for investment fraud. The only people who will make any money are those who manage to get a device delivered by the end of August. All others will lose their entire investment in BFL.

Seems you are just unlucky, Single SC generates too much heat

[millsdmb]

Who's deploying then?  The network hashrate seems to be going up in lockstep with the amount of hashrate we are shipping out, give or take a slight deviation.

It's like High School, show your work (math) or you get no credit.

Much like I told Flying Hellfish, once you become an adult, you will realize that reality (and the rest of the world) does not care about you.  Reality is what it is, you can accept it or deny it, but it will still be reality.  Nothing needs to be proven, no work needs to be shown.  You either accept reality or you deny it, the choice is up to you.  Reality doesn't care about you and what you believe, and just like I told Mr. Hellfish, neither do I. 

I cant wait for reality to hit the company soon to be formerly known as BFL. Get the popcorn 

[Loredo]

I don't understand why you people constantly bash this company.  Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.  At least you can do that.  

Is that right?  That's really good news for a lot of people. 

Would that it were true, a lot of the posts, even in this thread, would not be made.

[udet4food]

I don't understand why you people constantly bash this company.  Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.  At least you can do that.  

Is that right?  That's really good news for a lot of people. 

Would that it were true, a lot of the posts, even in this thread, would not be made.

What method of payments cannot get refunds (not counting BTC and Bank Wires)?

[Loredo]

I don't understand why you people constantly bash this company.  Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.  At least you can do that.  

Is that right?  That's really good news for a lot of people. 

Would that it were true, a lot of the posts, even in this thread, would not be made.

What method of payments cannot get refunds (not counting BTC and Bank Wires)?

Well, I certainly don't want to speak for The Labs if an official spokesman is here.  Josh, would you like to answer this question?

[Todamont]

Josh, I'm requesting a refund on my Single SC order that you failed to ship within 54 weeks. I paid in bitcoin. Let me know, pal.

[k9quaint]

I don't understand why you people constantly bash this company.  Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.  At least you can do that.  

Is that right?  That's really good news for a lot of people. 

Would that it were true, a lot of the posts, even in this thread, would not be made.

What method of payments cannot get refunds (not counting BTC and Bank Wires)?

All methods can get refunds. It will depend on your method of payment as to how you go about getting one.
First step is always ask BFL for a refund. If they have not shipped your product, they are legally obligated to refund your money if you ask for it.
If they refuse, the second step is always to fill a complaint with the FTC so they know BFL is violating the law.
If you paid by BTC or Bank Wire, you can either press forward with the FTC through their claims division, or you can retain a lawyer and go after BFL directly.
If you paid by PayPal you can file a dispute with them (if they close it, call them and tell them you have been scammed). If you paid via CC, you can initiate a charge back if Paypal drags their feet.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I don't understand why you people constantly bash this company.  Cancel the order, get a refund if you don't like it.  At least you can do that.  

Is that right?  That's really good news for a lot of people. 

Would that it were true, a lot of the posts, even in this thread, would not be made.

What method of payments cannot get refunds (not counting BTC and Bank Wires)?

Don't think for a minute we don't see what you're up to. You paid via BTC or BW (not Bruce Wagner) hoping that all others who paid via other means gets refunded, thus allowing you to move up the queue. Genius! Provided, of course, all this takes place prior to September 15, 2013, when Sonny Vleisides' probation is up due to being convicted as a felon for fleecing hundreds of millions of dollars from the elder with his 15 year running lottery scam.

[millsdmb]

I found a photo of the current state of affairs.

Seems they were mining with preordered rigs after all. rig fire =O

[greenbtc]

Much like I told Flying Hellfish, once you become an adult, you will realize that reality (and the rest of the world) does not care about you.  Reality is what it is, you can accept it or deny it, but it will still be reality.  Nothing needs to be proven, no work needs to be shown.  You either accept reality or you deny it, the choice is up to you.  Reality doesn't care about you and what you believe, and just like I told Mr. Hellfish, neither do I.  

 This man has a firm grasp on reality.

 We should listen to him. He knows what he is talking about.

+1 LOL

[Minor Miner]

Who's deploying then?  The network hashrate seems to be going up in lockstep with the amount of hashrate we are shipping out, give or take a slight deviation.

I'm having a hard time with the charts but didn't the network add 200,000 GH in the last month?  So you're saying you've shipped 40,000 Jalapenos, or 4,000 Singles, or 400 Mini-Rigs or some sort of combination of those in the last month, give or take a slight deviation?

Bitfury in Ukraine put up 100TH/s online recently, just for testing    ASICMiner probably "matched" that.
In my estimate, BFL shipped ~50-100 Mini rigs so far.

Are you sure?   How did he do that when his boards did not work and he is waiting for new ones?