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August 24, 2013, 04:12:56 PM
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Cheesy Statele nu se vor juca cu minatul.

Nu au nevoie de control din partea multimilor.
De fapt si acum monedele au o componenta virtuala...doar ca nu se mineaza.

Crypto este o conventie intre oameni vis-a-vis de o valoare (putea sa fie iar vorba de scoici cum a mai fost). Minatul e mierea castigului care atrage mustele, altfel nimeni nu s-ar ocupa de ea nici cat de folding.
Conventia asta trebuie sa se impuna dincolo de entitatea stat, care stat nu are motiv de adoratie pentru ea, cel mult de acceptare ca o ciudata forma de plata ...si atat.



Vin cu alta aberatie Smiley) sa zicem k prinde amploare bitcoinu si o sa ajunga sa deranjeze p greii si industia transferului d bani gen paypal skrill western mg dwola etc chiar si visa mc eventual banci Smiley ce o sa se intample atunci? Pt moment btc e chelea pulii pt ei, eventual ei ar putea doar pt amuzament sa boicoteze moneda.... Se intalneste paypal cu moneygram la o bere si se inteleg sa faca ei un "mic" minig pool privat doar cat sa fie tot timpul peste 50% din totalul d hash power Smiley

Orice technologiea noua naste industrii noi si distruga industri vechi.  Uite la kodac si xerox.  O data erau cele Mai mare firme. Xerox a inventat the mouse si the user interface a lu apple Macintosh.

Dar nu au vazut calculatoarele din timp si au reactionat prea incet.

De ce am eu Asa de mare convingere in bitcoin si alt coins si sunt 100% la 100% sigur ca o sa ea ETF cand aproape toti expertii zic ca NU este ca toate guvernele in lume dar Mai ales tari ca America si Germania (si amandoua deja au zis ca Bitcoin sunt bani adevarati) vor bani digitali foarte mult.  Si Mai ales toate bancile in Lume care conduc guvernele si apoi toate corporatiile mari.

Pur si simply vine o avalanche si nici-o firma sau 100 nu poate opri puterea care vine.  Daca se da ETF o sa vedem Billions de dolari cum intra in Bitcoin si alte Cryptos.  Nimeni nu poate opri Asa ceva cum nu au putut multi sa opereasca Internatul.  Amazon a omorat multe firme si nimeni nu au putut sa-i opereasca.

Crypto coins sunt Mai puternice ca internetul si o sa schimbe si Mai mult.  O sa schimbe total tot ce stim si vedem si o sa ne Pierdem libertatea cum nu a fost posibil in istorie lumii pana acuma.

Ca dupa ce ne baga bani pe NFC la telefon urmatoarea treapta o sa fie microchip in mana dreapta sau in Frunte.  Aici in America deja au microchip gata si se cheapo VeriChip si deja a luat licensa de la FDA sa die implantat in oameni si deja Obama a pus Microchip-ul asta sa fie in lege in Obamacare.

Totul este pregatit.  Numai oile de oameni sa Sara pe bani imaginari Mai trebuie si cam atat.

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August 24, 2013, 04:29:31 PM
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Nu stiu cum o sa se tranzleze article asta dar la-m scris acuma 3 luni cand am aflat prima data despre Bitcoin si alt coins.  Si culmea ca deja se desfasoara cateva lucruri like America nu poate sa arate Germania aurul lor si le trebuie pana 2020 sa le dea aurul inapoi.  Asta este ca numai este nici un aur ca America stie ca o sa mergem la un ban virtual.  Sau le trebuie cat aur posibil cand distrug dolarul.  Oricum, nu face niciun sense sa nu le dea germani aurul lor inapoi.  Si sunt multe chesti din astea care nu au niciun logi Pentru-ca se intample mult Mai mult despre care noi nu stim.

Asta o sa va dea o idee despre ce ar fi posibil.  Majoritatea sunt fapte plus opinia mea.


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August 24, 2013, 05:07:29 PM
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Alt FAPT:


Aici un link unde $9 trillion is missing from the fed.  Sa aveti o idee.  Toata Economia Lu Germania este cam $3 trillion pe an.  Absolut toata Economia lor - their GDP.

Tot aurul in Lume, 162,000 de tone la pret de $1600 costa numai $8.2 trillion.  Intelegeti cati bani au zburat de la fed si nici parliamentul aici nu le poate gasi.  Senatori nu au puterea sa afle unde sunt $9 trillions!!!

Asta este Adevarul si astia sunt aceiasi oameni la putere.


Si la noi aici in America $9 trillion sa evaporat fara semn.  Cum dispar camioane intregi de dolari?  Si voi ce credeti ca o sa faca cu ei?  Eu am crezut ca o sa cumpere tot aurul in Lume sa supporte Noul ban digital dar acuma ma gandesc ca o sa aiba nevoia de multi bani sa supporte crypto coins pana cand sar oile pe ele.  Cine cumpara bitcoin la $120?  Nu cunosc nici o singura persoana, si mineri le vand automat.

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August 24, 2013, 06:13:43 PM
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Aprilie 2013 dovedeste ca, la o adica, crypto este o alternativa la prabusirea monedelor statale.

Bineinteles statele ar vrea ceva controlat de ele insa in caz de prabusire trebuie sa se concentreze pe ceva care deja are o valoare in mintile oamenilor.
In momentul ala se va pompa masiv, parca de nicaieri, bani clasici in crypto pentru a acapara cat mai multe si implicit si controlul asupra lor...si a oamenilor.  Wink
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August 24, 2013, 07:15:27 PM
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Aprilie 2013 dovedeste ca, la o adica, crypto este o alternativa la prabusirea monedelor statale.

Bineinteles statele ar vrea ceva controlat de ele insa in caz de prabusire trebuie sa se concentreze pe ceva care deja are o valoare in mintile oamenilor.
In momentul ala se va pompa masiv, parca de nicaieri, bani clasici in crypto pentru a acapara cat mai multe si implicit si controlul asupra lor...si a oamenilor.  Wink


Exact asta zic si eu.  Ei nu poate sa scoata bani normali de la oameni si sa le dea bani falsi/virtuali.  Ai avea cea Mai mare revolutie.  Trebuie prima data sa schimbe perceptia la oameni sa-i faca sa cause sa vrea bani virtuali.

Dar intotdeauna o sa fie 10% care vad Adevarul si nu o sa vrea sa schimbe.  O sa fie o revolta destul de mare.  Dar de aia aici in SUA ai construit FEMA camps Pentru 50 millioane de oameni si Homeland Security au cumparat 1.6 milliarde de gloante, 30,000 de Drones si alte arme in numar masiv.

Ca o idee, in Iraq war Armata Americana au folosit numai 70 de millioane de gloante PE AN.  La ce trebuie homeland security 1.6 milliarde de gloante.  Si de ce aduc in America zeci de mi de Armata din Russia?  Oh, poate ca ei stiu ca Armata Americana nu o sa omoara americani?  Posibil.

In orice caz, nimic despre ce se intemple la Nivel politic este normal.  Ei plainifica Pentru ceva grav si enorm cu multe morti.  Au trecut si alta lege aici care 90% habar nu au, numai acuma 4 luni.

Armata Americana poate sa omoara, aresteze orice American fara cauza si sa-i detina (in FEMA camps) sub arest fara drepturi, fara avocat, si fara cauza Pentru timp indefinit (timp fara limita).

Asa ceva in SUA este fara precedent si trebuie sa intrebi:  de ce?  De ce acuma?

Si daca nu vezi ca la acelasi timp ei distrug dolarul si coincidence a aparut si un ban virtual care are multa valoare de niciunde si fara patron - inseamna ca nu sti ce este 2+2.  Poate sunt gresit dar daca nu esti pregatit Pentru posibilitatea asta o sa fi prins intro capcana fara scapare cum o sa fie 90% din Americani.

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August 28, 2013, 03:33:30 AM
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I'm gonna make another crazy prediction since the bitcoin ETF seems to be all but sure thing at this point.

We're gonna have emerging countries switch to an alt coin and very possibly to Bitcoin.  I'm gonna even call the first country to do so:  INDIA!

In actuality it could be Indonesia, Brazil or any other emerging country but I'll stick to India.  The dollar's loose policy is destroying the currencies of these struggling economies.  They have to act soon and if just one switches then there will a very much expected snd desired chain reaction which should take Bitcoin to $10,000.

I know, we haven't even gotten to my $1,000 prediction and I've already upped it to $10,000.  That's how I roll.


Here's a taste of India's problems and it's only gonna get worst.  They're gonna play right into the Bitcoin plan:  Mass Global Adoption.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rupee-where-currency-collapse-confounds-210459680.html

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August 28, 2013, 10:13:06 AM
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I'm gonna make another crazy prediction since the bitcoin ETF seems to be all but sure thing at this point.

We're gonna have emerging countries switch to an alt coin and very possibly to Bitcoin.  I'm gonna even call the first country to do so:  INDIA!

In actuality it could be Indonesia, Brazil or any other emerging country but I'll stick to India.  The dollar's loose policy is destroying the currencies of these struggling economies.  They have to act soon and if just one switches then there will a very much expected snd desired chain reaction which should take Bitcoin to $10,000.

I know, we haven't even gotten to my $1,000 prediction and I've already upped it to $10,000.  That's how I roll.


Here's a taste of India's problems and it's only gonna get worst.  They're gonna play right into the Bitcoin plan:  Mass Global Adoption.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rupee-where-currency-collapse-confounds-210459680.html

Dupa ce tiam citit postarea mi sa facit deodata foame Smiley
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August 28, 2013, 04:00:21 PM
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I'm gonna make another crazy prediction since the bitcoin ETF seems to be all but sure thing at this point.

We're gonna have emerging countries switch to an alt coin and very possibly to Bitcoin.  I'm gonna even call the first country to do so:  INDIA!

In actuality it could be Indonesia, Brazil or any other emerging country but I'll stick to India.  The dollar's loose policy is destroying the currencies of these struggling economies.  They have to act soon and if just one switches then there will a very much expected snd desired chain reaction which should take Bitcoin to $10,000.

I know, we haven't even gotten to my $1,000 prediction and I've already upped it to $10,000.  That's how I roll.


Here's a taste of India's problems and it's only gonna get worst.  They're gonna play right into the Bitcoin plan:  Mass Global Adoption.


http://finance.yahoo.com/news/rupee-where-currency-collapse-confounds-210459680.html

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a fost o perioada luuuunga..la inceputul bitcoin  ( eu am inceput prin 2010 pe la sfirsit ) cind nimeni nu mai avea nici o speranta in bitcoin...de la extremul virf de $30 cazuse pina aproape de $1 ...era apatie totala atunci..inclusiv eu nu m-am mai interesat de bitcoin ( si ce rau imi pare acum ca nu am cumparat vreo 1000 de bitcoins atunci ..lol ) ...dar si-a revenit si acum incepe sa fie reperat pe radarele companiilor si jucatorilor mai mari ..de unde si teorii si conspiratii..ce vad eu este ca la ora actuala ..si cu mai mult peste citeva luni..networkul de mineri care back up bitcoinul va deveni imposibil de a fii oprit,hack sau take over din cauza numarului enorm de asicuri care vor incepe sa mineze. ASTA va fii singura si cea mai mare calitate a bitcoinului pe termen scurt ..siguranta ca acest network este IMPOSIBIL de fuck around with Smiley sint sigur ca nu va fii trecut cu vederea acest lucru de catre marile companii ..dar inca este destul de devreme sa sarim la predictii ca o tara intreaga va adopta bitcoin..ar fii bine ..dar e prea curind...Acest ETF de care vorbesti poate sa insemne ceva de bine pentru bitcoin..dar deoacmdata asistam la "macelul" ROI ului pentru asics...si cine va deliver mai repede si mai ieftin si pentru toata lumea ...desigur ca lumea de rind este deja "behind the curve" cum se zice...In legatura cu teoria conspiratiei ..eu cred ca Litecoin ..care e dumped acuma din cauza ca ..in ciuda zvonurilor ..nu va fii listat pe MTGOX ... va urca in curind ..surprinzator..dar nu prea mult ..pana pe la $5 probabil..din cauza ca toti GPU miners se vor duce ..vor nu vor la Litecoin..sau alte monede compatibile de minat cu GPU...si ma mai intriga Ripple..chiar ...cum comentezi Ripple  ?? cam ce vezi tu in viitor ??

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August 28, 2013, 04:12:45 PM
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@AmunRa,

Sunt de acord cu tot ce zici.  Clar ca ce zic eu despre tari intregi sa Sara la Bitcoin sau un alt coin este o nebunie la moment dar asta mi sa parut si de aia am puso jos ca idee.

E greu de zis care crypto coin o sa Sara cel Mai mult dupa ETF.  Toate o sa Sara dar nu stiu daca LTC o sa fie prima cum zic multi.  Eu cred ca o sa fie un alt coin care multi nici nu se uita acuma dar asta nu inseamna ca LTC nu poate merge la $20 sau Mai sus.

Ripple are bani de la google behind it mi se pare.  Nu am studiat ripple prea mult ca nu ma interesat ca este cam scump comparat cu alte alt coins care im plac mie.

Plus, Ripple (XRP) au scos deja 100 milliarde de coins din care insiders pastreaza 40 milliarde Pentru ei.  What?   That's crazy, man!

Dar sa spun sincer, daca as acea ASICS cu care sa scot Bitcoin as cumpara cateva mi de Ripple ca daca Google chiar are bani bagati in ripple sar putea sa aiba un plan like sa inceapa si ei un ETF Mai tarziu sar cine stie.  Cu google behind ripple as risca ceva bani pe Ripple dar numai de cauza asta altfel nu ma-s atinge de ripple cand sunt Asa de multe alt coins bune.

Good luck!


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Uitate la ixCoin daca faci speculatie.  Este clone perfect Pentru altu ETF.  Eu de aia pun pe ixCoin pe primul loc din toate alt coins.

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September 03, 2013, 07:34:53 AM
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Economists are supposed to predict, and do so accurately!

I predicted (among other stocks/things) that nokia would sell its handset division to MICROSOSFT.  This was some 4+ months ago.  You could have made a killing if you had known that ahead of time.  Unfortunately my timing was off and I lost $12,500 on July options but my friend who listened to me stands to make 400%-600% tomorrow cause he bought the Jan 2014 options.  Not bad for 7 months.




http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/09/03/microsoft-buys-nokia-handset/2756653/


P.S. - next prediction:  this is a scam by Elop, a Microsoft plant, and a steal. Expect a bidding war and nokia over $8 in the next few weeks.   That's the price I called for 4 months ago when nokia was at only $2.70.  

This makes it 5 straight years of calling only winners.  I now hold some Apple October option calls.

God numbers....it's all in the God numbers!


Now maybe my friend will believe me about ixCoin and Devcoin!  Lol

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September 03, 2013, 08:11:12 AM
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Here's my post from yahoo finance from all the way back in April!


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vlad2vlad • Apr 9, 2013 4:30 AM 1users liked this postsusers disliked this posts0Reply

Thanks man, I really appreciate it.

If you've got money, quickly buy the jan 2014 $5 calls. I wish I had cash right now cause those options at this point are near risk free. In the next 9 months nokia will either make it and be past $10 or they will go to plan B which I'm nearly certain it's a buyout by softy, which given their near profitability they will get at least $8 per share. The $5 calls are so ridiculously cheap right now and near risk free that you can stand to make 1,000% in them in the next few months.

I made nearly 1,000% on my jan 2012 calls which is why I put $10,000 on more nokia option calls. My call wasn't bad but my timing was off due to CEO incompetence (shortages for 6 months on their only flagship) and hedge fund games (twice we got hit by the tax BS in India).

The fair price of nokia right now is $7 so if you've got extra cash man, pull the trigger and buy the jan 2014 $5 calls and good luck and God bless you.

If I can't make money on those calls then I would be thrilled to know a guy like you did.

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By The Way:  those $5 option calls in the next few days will be worth 1,000% more exactly as I predicted.  I didn't buy them as I didn't have enough money, I put it all on July calls and my timing was thus off by 6 weeks.  I lost $12,500 but those who took my Jan 2014 advice will make a killing this week.  I tend to give less risky advice to others than what I would do.  

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September 19, 2013, 12:55:23 AM
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Am facut o greseala in calculatie.

Daca va uitati la ultima perioada de 2 luni, cand Bitcoin a sarit de la $68 la $140, alte Cryptos nu au sarit in sus, dar au mers in jos foarte mult.  Si nu cu 50% dar chiar si cu 90% in jos.

Asta inseamna ca daca Bitcoin ea ETF, si sare la $500 si la $1,000, 99% din alt coins or sa se prabuseasca si multe o sa moara.

Numai daca nimeri un coin care o sa mearga in sus cu Bitcoin o sa fie posibil sa faci bani buni.

Daca vrei sa fi sigur baga bani in Bitcoin.   Eu bag 90% in ixCoin si 10% tin in Bitcoin.

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September 19, 2013, 04:23:33 AM
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LTC-ul s-a depreciat si el ?
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September 19, 2013, 04:57:57 AM
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LTC-ul s-a depreciat si el ?

Daca nu Luam in consideratie the PUMP cu zvonuri ca o sa mearga pe Mt Gox, Pentru-ca a scazut cam mult cand Mt. Gox nu a listat pe LTC, atunci LTC a stat cam in loc.  acuma 2 luni LTC a costat cam $2.50-$3.00 si acuma este identic.

Ce inseamna asta este ca LTC nu o sa aprecieze cum crede lumea.  Este bine ca si-a retinut valoarea Mai ales can multe alt coins au picat extrem de mult dar nu stiu ce sa cred de faptul ca LTC nu a crescut cam de loc.

Preferatul coin al meu (ixCoin) a crescut cu cam 30% in aceasi perioada dar nu am nici o dovada ca nu a fost doar o coincidenta.

O sa aflam foarte incurand daca vine Bitcoin ETF in cam 2 luni sau poate Mai devreme.

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September 25, 2013, 10:56:30 PM
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Asta nu mai e de conspiratie deja Smiley

Dar se pare ca Bitcoin va intra in rindul lumii ...Thought on this ?? anyone??
Bitcoin gaining market-based legitimacy as XBT

Punctual trams run quietly along the street out front. It looks like any other office building in Zürich. But inside the nondescript building of SIX Interbank Clearing, a small unit of professionals maintains the list of the world’s currency codes.

Last week in that very same building, I had the honor of presenting the bitcoin cryptocurrency to a gathered audience of various bank officials at an e-commerce conference. And I mentioned that the individual, or committee, that endorses and finalizes XBT as the ISO currency code for bitcoin will earn their spot in history next to Satoshi Nakamoto.

Of course, a new code for a brand new asset class is not comparable to an achievement in financial cryptography and distributed consensus, but it is significant nonetheless because of its impact on the evolution of math-based currencies.

The ISO 4217 standard for currency codes is published by a voluntary, non-governmental organization independent of any national agenda. It operates more or less as a body that approves the three-character currency codes of new countries or regions. In some cases, the code reflects a non-governmental unit such as gold (XAU) and silver (XAG).

Beyond the regulations and government approval that so frequently underpin discussions about the legitimacy of bitcoin, a different type of legitimacy is emerging and it has the ability to out-survive the elected administrations of legal jurisdictions.

This market-based legitimacy holds the key to bitcoin’s success – not the sanctions and official blessings for what’s an appropriate monetary unit. Governments and regulators may come and go, but customs and convention persevere.

Currency code XBT is a sign of this growing market-based influence, at least among the organizations currently depending on such codes. Governments generally follow rather than lead market adoption because it is too difficult to alter the course of momentum.

Uniquely, bitcoin operates as both a value transfer network and a separate unit of account. Therefore, it doesn’t require the services of a third-party intermediary to approve and route transactions. However, as a monetary unit, bitcoin offers great opportunities for those who desire to trade or price in bitcoin and perhaps layering services on top of the protocol.

At the top of the pyramid is SWIFT, a member-owned cooperative that provides the communication platform to connect more than 10,000 banking organizations in 210 countries (16 more countries than the United Nations).

SWIFT’s influence is so pervasive that its ecosystem is a daily barometer of global economic performance such as GDP growth rates, capital flows, and foreign exchange trade volatility.
Once again, bitcoin is a major topic of conversation at Sibos, the annual SWIFT conference being held in Dubai this year.

In prepared remarks yesterday, SWIFT CEO Gottfried Leibbrandt said, “I would not see why we at Swift could not send transactions in bitcoin as a currency.” If they do, they will undoubtedly look to the ISO for the currency code. The Bitcoin Foundation had two scheduled appearances at the SWIFT conference.

Also, the payment networks like VISA, MasterCard, and American Express all rely on the ISO 4217 codes for international transactions and currency conversion. Once the member banks start requesting settlement in bitcoin for certain transactions, the payment networks will look to the ISO for the corresponding currency code.

XE.com, one of the world’s leading providers of Internet foreign exchange tools and services, recently began displaying bitcoin prices in XBT across their data feed. Founded in 1993, the company licenses over 35,000 XE Currency Converters, provides commercial currency data to over 1,000 clients, and serves 18 million unique users per month.

Service provider OANDA also displays bitcoin prices using the currency code XBT. OANDA is a market maker and a trusted source for currency data, serving both individuals and financial institutions. Founded in 1995, it provides access to one of the world’s largest historical, high frequency, filtered currency databases serving over 30 million requests per month.

Not to be outdone, Bloomberg in August announced that they were testing XBT price quotes internally lending more ammunition to the push for formal code adoption.

In the bitcoin trading world, exchange operator Kraken became the first to make the formal switch to XBT this week and other bitcoin exchanges are expected to follow suit.

In the retail foreign exchange trading world, platform market leaders like MetaTrader 4 are witnessing client firms undertaking the bitcoin modifications on their own. Although not expressing trades in XBT yet, the gradual adoption of bitcoin into existing forex platforms signals a huge shift in market trading. So far, only three companies are known to have incorporated bitcoin into the MT4 environment, including AvaTrade, BTC-E, and Bit4X.

XBT may represent the beginning for bitcoin standards and market-based legitimacy, but it is certainly not the end. Next up on the standards agenda is the Unicode symbol for bitcoin with B⃦ or ฿ as the two leading contenders.

pute-ti citi articolul aici :http://www.coindesk.com/bitcoin-gaining-market-based-legitimacy-xbt/

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September 26, 2013, 02:43:52 AM
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Articol foarte interesant.  Merge direct spre un BITCOIN ETF.

Merci mult!

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Ne asteapta vremuri interesante, cine are depozite in BTC s-ar putea sa prinda un tsnami. Orice forma de legalizare internationala poate duce  BTC la spikeuri incredibile.
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Ne asteapta vremuri interesante, cine are depozite in BTC s-ar putea sa prinda un tsnami. Orice forma de legalizare internationala poate duce  BTC la spikeuri incredibile.

Correct.  Prima vine ETF si pe urma o Tara adoptare.  Top picks ale mele sunt:  India, Argentina si China.  Oricare ar Duce BTF la $10,000 de la $130 Astazi.  Tot cred ca ETF ar Duce BITCOIN la minimum $1,000 in 6-12 luni.

Timpuri interesante si bogate daca ghicesti nu numai unde merge BITCOIN dar si care o sa fie Bitcoin 2.0 sau ETF 2.0.

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September 26, 2013, 07:13:56 PM
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Man, I love it when I'm right.

A BITCOIN fund has just launched.

It's not the huge ETF I've been predicting but this proves the ETF is probably a done deal.

And they'll soon look for a fund 2.0 or an ETF 2.0 and that's where I think ixCoin will come in.

Enjoy:


http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2013/09/25/bitcoin-investment-trust/

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September 27, 2013, 05:14:12 AM
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Mai baiatule fiecare post al tau include EFT - placa e deja stricata - lumea fuge de GLD si SLV si tu o iei cu EFT ... m-ai rupt cu predictiile tale - sunt pentru botanisti - ATENTIE deci pentru NEINITITATI !
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