hilariousandco, Mitchell,Vod,Ognasty Bitblisscoin.com could be a scamsite

[Lauda]

I'm not here to babysit others.

You love leaving negative feedback to random newbies for almost anything. Now that your partner is a confirmed scammer you don’t want to babysit? It’s inconsistent hypocrisy like this that makes it so nobody honest could possibly take you seriously.

When you leave a negative rating to Quickscammer then you can talk about consistency and hypocrisy. Provoking rash decision again, no surprises.

Cheerio.

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[Quickseller]

I'm not here to babysit others.

You love leaving negative feedback to random newbies for almost anything. Now that your partner is a confirmed scammer you don’t want to babysit? It’s inconsistent hypocrisy like this that makes it so nobody honest could possibly take you seriously.

I don’t think there has been a single instance in which lauda has accepted responsibility for anything.

The fact remains that he was strongly pushing back against holding his business partner responsible for his involvement in his businesses scam activity and promptly disavowed him once it was shown his reputation is a lost cause, not once the underlying scam activity was made public.

[Lauda]

I don’t think there has been a single instance in which lauda has accepted responsibility for anything.

Of course there is; this is just not a case for which I can even remotely be held responsible.

The fact remains that he was strongly pushing back against holding his business partner responsible for his involvement in his businesses scam activity and promptly disavowed him once it was shown his reputation is a lost cause, not once the underlying scam activity was made public.

Some people complain that I act quickly, and then when I don't, they complain that I don't. You can't have it both ways.

You can't have it both ways predictable snowflake.

[Quickseller]

I don’t think there has been a single instance in which lauda has accepted responsibility for anything.

Of course there is; this is just not a case for which I can even remotely be held responsible.

The fact remains that he was strongly pushing back against holding his business partner responsible for his involvement in his businesses scam activity and promptly disavowed him once it was shown his reputation is a lost cause, not once the underlying scam activity was made public.

Some people complain that I act quickly, and then when I don't, they complain that I don't. You can't have it both ways.

You can't have it both ways predictable snowflake.

Your statement speaks volumes about you and is another reason why you should not be in any position of power.

I have not criticized you for being too fast with your actions so using that to deflect is well nothing more than a deflection. Regardless, the fact remains that you only took action until you were unable to continue to protect his reputation and continued pushing back against calling what he did to even be wrong until his reputation was lost. This is not taking a long time to take action, it is actively protecting a scammer and keeping a business relationship based on reputation with said scammer.

[Lauda]

I'm still butthurt because my account trading business is seriously damaged.

FTFY again. Once you start stop posting unbiased lies, then we can move on. Nothing that you've said in this thread about me is even remotely true. Well, maybe in your delusional fantasy land.
Obvious error is obvious.

[snakey]

If You missed this??

Read below

Scammed by project endorsed by ALU [ATRIZ]  (Read 170 times)

Upon Reading i found the Legendary member crying like a hell, as from his accent he seems African or at-least a nigger.

https://vimeo.com/263096822 ( Clearly he is mentioning the name of lauda )

Upon even more digging up i found 3 videos in one of videos of telegram chat with Chrysos coin ( scam ) Dev , The dev was saying that he has paid heavily to ALU for promotion and there is no way that one should think that it is a scam.

See video here: https://vimeo.com/263105204

Basically what i observe from the video chat.

the investor( snakey ) asked the scam dev that how they can assure him that his 7k usd will not be wasted and how they will ensure his roi?
The developer replied some bullshit on investment strategy and later added that they have paid more than enough to the Promotion team of bitcointalk ( ALU and ATRIZ ) so there should be no room of questioning that they will run away with his 7 k usd.

Full video playlist:

1. https://vimeo.com/263096822
2. https://vimeo.com/263104426
3. https://vimeo.com/263105204

In my belief that anyone who is associated with atriz and ALU or at-least the part of core team should be neg rated and excluded from DT.

Would like to hear more from other Trusted member.

Hey cunicula!
What is your problem mate?
Till now atriz has been so nice to me..he has refunded me 1200$ yesterday and promises to deliver more by tomorrow.
Personally i feel that you are just jelous of him.
I understands that he has been childish previously but he is no rip off scammer. Please atleast try to talk to people in private before you start to judge them in public.

[snakey]

Dear ognasty, i remember that you was vouching earlier for people to invest in bfl ponzi , right! I understand that at that time things were not mature enough so you were played by the scammers to vouch for them.
In this paritcularly atriz scenario i believe the same, he has been tricked by those ico rip offs. I believe that atriz will learn from this mistake and will not make new next time.
Man or leader you must give secobd chance to this guy, i am believe he is not a fraud but was tricked in words as you were in earlier days.

[ibminer]

At this stage, maintaining objectivity, I can't hold Lauda accountable for BitBlissCoin & aTriz's actions. In a somewhat similar way, why I do not hold OgNasty accountable for Pirateat40's scam. Keep in mind, I have no knowledge of how ALU operates behind-the-scenes. (nor do I know what was discussed directly between OgNasty & Pirateat40)

I've always assumed ALU was an organization formed between aTriz, Lauda, and Untold. It appeared that aTriz & Lauda were the main points of contact on the initial announcement, eventually becoming just aTriz. aTriz seemed to be handling main agreements with clients and [I assume] passing any needed tasks down to approved vendors (so to speak), whom I believe was just aTriz, Lauda, Untold, and the CET team (Blazed, minerjones, Mitchell, Lauda) handling potential services at the time of BitBlissCoin. It appears BitBlissCoin only used campaign management services. That's just my interpretation on what I've seen publicly. It appears now like there is a voting system and other structures of ALU that I am not familiar with, so I'm not sure if agreements were voted on or how that works.

@ibminer: To the previous stuff, we've started working on a disclaimer. I hope that more manager follow us in that regard (once it is live).

A campaign manager should want to do this for transparency & protection. Would be great to see that transparency globally but nobody is required to do it.

[Quickseller]

I'm still butthurt because my account trading business is seriously damaged.

FTFY again. Once you start posting unbiased lies, then we can move on. Nothing that you've said in this thread about me is even remotely true. Well, maybe in your delusional fantasy land.

You want me to post unbiased lies[\b]

[OgNasty]

ibminer...
aTriz knew it was a lie and a scam and continued taking part. Don’t compare this to me being scammed by BFL or pirateat40. If I knew BFL or pirateat40 was going to scam, I would have tagged them immediately and not joined in the scam for a paycheck. Also worth noting that BFL and pirateat40 in fact scammed me for hundreds of BTC each making me the victim, yet the lies being spread by this clique has the uninformed thinking I may have done something wrong. This is not even remotely close to the same situation as aTriz lying to investors with full knowledge in order to scam them out of their funds. Going a step further, I was making a ton of BTC from early BFL deliveries so I had no reason to think they wouldn’t be able to deliver on their next hardware upgrade. As for pirateat40, I was insuring deposits so if he did scam, people would have some protection. Not the same at all as trying to dupe people out of their money by going along with lies. I can only assume you aren’t familiar with the situations to try and compare me trying to help users with aTriz trying to scam them. The two scenarios literally couldn’t be more opposite.

[ibminer]

ibminer...
aTriz knew it was a lie and a scam and continued taking part. Don’t compare this to me being scammed by BFL or pirateat40. If I knew BFL or pirateat40 was going to scam, I would have tagged them immediately and not joined in the scam for a paycheck. Also worth noting that BFL and pirateat40 in fact scammed me for hundreds of BTC each making me the victim, yet the lies being spread by this clique has the uninformed thinking I may have done something wrong. This is not even remotely close to the same situation as aTriz lying to investors with full knowledge in order to scam them out of their funds. Going a step further, I was making a ton of BTC from early BFL deliveries so I had no reason to think they wouldn’t be able to deliver on their next hardware upgrade. As for pirateat40, I was insuring deposits so if he did scam, people would have some protection. Not the same at all as trying to dupe people out of their money by going along with lies. I can only assume you aren’t familiar with the situations to try and compare me trying to help users with aTriz trying to scam them. The two scenarios literally couldn’t be more opposite.

I was actually comparing you & Pirateat40 to Lauda's involvement with BitBlissCoin & aTriz. aTriz is a completely different scenario, and certainly not the same comparison.

[OgNasty]

I was actually comparing you & Pirateat40 to Lauda's involvement with BitBlissCoin & aTriz. aTriz is a completely different scenario, and certainly not the same comparison.

Makes sense.  Nobody has left Lauda any negative trust for his role in this.  I can understand him not being responsible for aTriz' actions.  What I can't understand is why Lauda wouldn't leave ALU or tag aTriz for being a scammer, but those observations are more in support of him being a hypocrite with bad judgement and why I have excluded him from my trust network as well as why others should, not necessarily a reason to label him a scammer until a final decision has been made.  Although his signing an extortion attempt pretty much sealed his fate there.

I actually checked as a result of your comment and was surprised to see I hadn't left pirateat40 negative trust yet.  I have resolved that oversight.  I think back then I was trying to only be positive with my ratings, but that was before I was educated on how the system works and aware of the abuses occurring.

[allahabadi]

Dear ognasty, i remember that you was vouching earlier for people to invest in bfl ponzi , right! I understand that at that time things were not mature enough so you were played by the scammers to vouch for them.
In this paritcularly atriz scenario i believe the same, he has been tricked by those ico rip offs. I believe that atriz will learn from this mistake and will not make new next time.
Man or leader you must give secobd chance to this guy, i am believe he is not a fraud but was tricked in words as you were in earlier days.

STOCKHOLM SYNDROME
  
I lack the correct phrase/condition, please find me something better.



P.S. Just found this :

hello sir Smiley i am so glad find you bitcointalk post
what i can follow and join all you bounty campaign ?
i am so glad if i can join with your bounty campaign

and where I can find your all bounty ?

thank you so much

With that kind of language let me tell you one thing for sure in 100% , you will never join any of the aTriz campaigns.

He is one of the best managers and has a very strict quality check of every user.

Better try your luck in altcoin bounties where there are more options, more managers and the quality check is not as strong as that of aTriz.  


aTriz congrats on your website, nice and professionally done👍.

Update to this: aTriz has been suspended until further notice by a 2-0 vote. More time is needed, and less distraction before a proper decision can be made.

Shouldn't this be posted on the ALU thread, so that others/potential clients are aware of the status quo ?

[Bazinga442]

I lack the correct phrase/condition, please find me something better.

You shouldn't blame him for saying things he hopes will help him recover lost funds, ALU helped scam, but their suspended co-founder has promised to return.

Update to this: aTriz has been suspended until further notice by a 2-0 vote. More time is needed, and less distraction before a proper decision can be made.

Shouldn't this be posted on the ALU thread, so that others/potential clients are aware of the status quo ?

Done.

[allahabadi]

I lack the correct phrase/condition, please find me something better.

You shouldn't blame him for saying things he hopes will help him recover lost funds, ALU helped scam, but their suspended co-founder has promised to return.

I NEVER blamed him, you don't blame patients, but you do diagnose them.  

Update to this: aTriz has been suspended until further notice by a 2-0 vote. More time is needed, and less distraction before a proper decision can be made.

Shouldn't this be posted on the ALU thread, so that others/potential clients are aware of the status quo ?

Done.

I was expecting an ALU member to do so, obviously their word matters more than your or mine.

[pugman]

As a 'one-in-all' kind of service it works (or worked); the latter part should be intuitive given the setup. There are no ALU funds, and there are no split commissions. If you are working on something, you get paid for your part. Put some thought into it, is it easier for 4 individual managers to advertise their services or for the 4 managers to advertise under 1 name?

Well so far I have only seen aTriz handling almost all the campaigns except for one or two being run by you. What I see is just that four managers have come up together as a team and doing their own work individually, but just having the same name. It'd be make much more sense if all the managers split up work equally, share up the profits, do your background check so that you'd never ever put your reputation on the line because of another partner of your own making his own decisions by using your own brand name.

I don't think I've ever really commented on any ANN that isn't related to me (i.e. those that are solely managed by him and/or others). The answer to the 2nd question is no. As I've previously said, I'm not here to babysit others.

It's not babysitting if you're doing your own work for your own business and protecting your brand name from going into the mud. I really don't see the point of ALU if no one is willing to supervise the work or even know what the other partners are up to except for the advertising part you earlier mentioned. All the managers are managing their own campaigns under a name. No sharing of work or the revenue earned.

The members are (or were..) 'trusted'. Do your due diligence when participating and investing.

Though I agree with this, some users tend to have this mindset that since aTriz(as a part of ALU) had mentioned that there's no risk or anything involved in investing in that particular ICO. Most people don't even know what due diligence is, let alone them figuring out if it's a scam or not.

We never put a (existing) label on it; I'm wondering what the appropriate definition should be myself (less important right now given the situation). It does not have capital as a singular entity, and it never did.

What do you intend to do after this? Let the things go the way they have been going, will there be any change? Any supervision or something?

Update to this: aTriz has been suspended until further notice by a 2-0 vote. More time is needed, and less distraction before a proper decision can be made.
@ibminer: To the previous stuff, we've started working on a disclaimer. I hope that more manager follow us in that regard (once it is live).

Suspension won't change anything. Remember High school, when kids deliberately did some shit to get suspended or have some fun. People are who they are. They most likely never change. aTriz has known to be naive. Other than suspension I'd be interested in knowing what else you're going to do /change.

[coinsttar]

The problem is that aTriz clearly knew what was going on with the faked ICO figures which were intended to make more people invest, and he was completely fine with it and went along with it. Just as ibminer said, this should be regarded as fraud. Anyone else who does this would clearly but categorized as a scammer, but not aTriz. It's not about endorsement at all.

This is nothing but deceitful nonsense. What you call a "marketing strategy", I would call fraud.

Scammer: a confidence game or other fraudulent scheme, especially for making a quick profit; swindle.
Swindle: to obtain money or property by fraud or deceit
Fraud: a person or thing intended to deceive others, typically by unjustifiably claiming or being credited with accomplishments or qualities.

No, but when I'm 2 weeks into a bounty program I'm basically forced to go along with it.

No, you are not forced to do anything you do not want to do here, especially when someone is being fraudulent.

With the Ice rock mining campaign, aTriz was also promoting a ponzi project promoting 300% roi a year.
With chrysoscoin, it was the most obvious ponzi  you can come across. Go onto their site chrysoscoin.com and click 'lending' on the top. You will be presented with hyip like tiered investment plans with guaranteed profits.

with the way aTriz called out adblurb, he clearly does research on the projects he manages. Quite in depth too. Therefore I do not believe that he did not know anything about these two aforementioned ICOs where their business model was entirely based of high guaranteed returns.

Is this the only time that aTriz has lied about something? Has this happened before also and users weren't aware about it?

That's my question too. He most likely knew that ice rock mining was a scam, and chrysoscoin too.

Suspension won't change anything. Remember High school, when kids deliberately did some shit to get suspended or have some fun. People are who they are. They most likely never change. aTriz has known to be naive. Other than suspension I'd be interested in knowing what else you're going to do /change.

He is clearly untrustworthy and hid the fact that the ICO was clearly a scam and used scammers tactics to fake information from both the ALU team, investors, and the public. That is unacceptable and deserves more than a temp. suspension, he is a fraud.

[Quickseller]

At this stage, maintaining objectivity, I can't hold Lauda accountable for BitBlissCoin & aTriz's actions.

In the workplace, it is the norm to hold a manager and partner accountable for the performance of his team, including to an extent any actions a team member does that might violate company policy, be illegal or unethical, the only exception might be if a manager followed company established procedures to prevent said negative activity that was insufficient.

I would also point out that lauda pushed back strongly against calling what aTriz did as being “wrong” (let alone being ‘scammy’ etc) and continues to do so. This means that someone who might not understand this is wrong, might look at laudas statements about the various aTriz scams and act similarly being under the impression that what they are doing is okay. Lauda went as far as to say that everyone engages in this type of behavior (allowing fraudulent statements to be made in a bounty campaign being run by him) by saying that this is a global issue. I don’t think it would be very fair to label someone as a scammer in the future when someone shown as somewhat trustworthy is arguing that said behavior is acceptable. There is little dispute as to the ethics of the underlying behavior, so I would say the question of if the behavior is acceptable is *not* a difference of opinion, nor is a political dispute. My impression as to the reason for the delay in calling aTriz a scammer is that he was given the benefit of the doubt in that it was assumed he was naive. The same cannot be said about lauda because it was explained why this is wrong prior to lauda defending the behavior in question.

Although I cannot affirmatively say what the relationship between the ALU partners is, however I can say that at the very least, lauda indirectly benefited from aTriz scams because it would have drawn additional business to ALU, some of which would have been handled by lauda. I would note that various contact methods point users to contact specific members of ALU and their ANN thread implies campaigns will be handled by both lauda and aTriz jointly. 

[Lauda]

Well so far I have only seen aTriz handling almost all the campaigns except for one or two being run by you. What I see is just that four managers have come up together as a team and doing their own work individually, but just having the same name.

aTriz is the one who usually posts the ANN threads, which doesn't necessarily imply that he manages the whole campaign or any aspect of it.

It'd be make much more sense if all the managers split up work equally, share up the profits, do your background check so that you'd never ever put your reputation on the line because of another partner of your own making his own decisions by using your own brand name.

What makes sense in your view is not of importance to me. It works (this being an exception) the way that it currently is set up, and that won't change. Nobody is on the line because of this as they aren't remotely responsible for his actions.

It's not babysitting if you're doing your own work for your own business and protecting your brand name from going into the mud.

There is no business and yes it is babysitting.

I really don't see the point of ALU if no one is willing to supervise the work or even know what the other partners are up to except for the advertising part you earlier mentioned.

Again, did I hire you as a business consultant? No.

Though I agree with this, some users tend to have this mindset that since aTriz(as a part of ALU) had mentioned that there's no risk or anything involved in investing in that particular ICO. Most people don't even know what due diligence is, let alone them figuring out if it's a scam or not.

When we start putting disclaimers in threads (and I do hope that others follow), the same is going to happen. Are you going to blame the managers when users do not read it?

Update to this: aTriz has been suspended until further notice by a 2-0 vote. More time is needed, and less distraction before a proper decision can be made.

Suspension won't change anything. Remember High school, when kids deliberately did some shit to get suspended or have some fun. People are who they are. They most likely never change. aTriz has known to be naive. Other than suspension I'd be interested in knowing what else you're going to do /change.

Read the full statement before commenting next time.

Although I cannot affirmatively say what the relationship between the ALU partners is, however I can say that at the very least, lauda indirectly benefited from aTriz scams because it would have drawn additional business to ALU, some of which would have been handled by lauda. I would note that various contact methods point users to contact specific members of ALU and their ANN thread implies campaigns will be handled by both lauda and aTriz jointly.  

Both points are wrong. You are trying too hard.

[ibminer]

At this stage, maintaining objectivity, I can't hold Lauda accountable for BitBlissCoin & aTriz's actions.

In the workplace, it is the norm to hold a manager and partner accountable for the performance of his team, including to an extent any actions a team member does that might violate company policy, be illegal or unethical, the only exception might be if a manager followed company established procedures to prevent said negative activity that was insufficient.

They've always shown themselves as co/founders. Founder's Syndrome comes to mind. Regardless, the consequences a manager would face as compared to the person on his team causing the problem is usually different and far less extreme, assuming no evidence of collusion exists.

I would also point out that lauda pushed back strongly against calling what aTriz did as being “wrong” (let alone being ‘scammy’ etc) and continues to do so.

I didn't feel a strong pushback after aTriz made his comments. It felt more like how Lauda would handle embarrassment or some sort of effort to avoid personal embarrassment. For me, it is a somewhat understandable behavior in the situation.

Lauda went as far as to say that everyone engages in this type of behavior (allowing fraudulent statements to be made in a bounty campaign being run by him) by saying that this is a global issue.

Not sure what you are referring to here, Lauda's comment about the "global issue" I believe was about an idea of campaign managers putting a disclaimer on ICOs to provide more transparency, see below:

Maybe "vouch" is not be the best word, but without disclaimers disassociating a campaign manager from the ICO, it is misleading, certainly to new members who probably don't even know campaign managers exist. This may be more of a global issue with managers/ICOs though.

It is a global issue, thus we can't blame anyone individually for it.

Although I cannot affirmatively say what the relationship between the ALU partners is, however I can say that at the very least, lauda indirectly benefited from aTriz scams because it would have drawn additional business to ALU, some of which would have been handled by lauda. I would note that various contact methods point users to contact specific members of ALU and their ANN thread implies campaigns will be handled by both lauda and aTriz jointly.  

I never saw anything that said they would be handling campaigns "jointly" in either announcement threads I've seen, multiple contact points doesn't mean much. Also, indirectly benefiting from a scammer doesn't make someone guilty of scamming or even supporting the scammer if they did not know the person was a scammer. Again, I'd refer to other situations like Og/Pirate, but there are better examples where people have gotten tangled up with scammers and could be seen as indirectly benefiting, because this forum is filled with scammers, and I'd argue it's because of account sellers (like you) who have sold so many damn accounts to whoever would offer you money, but I digress.

However, why am I responding to you, when you haven't responded to me?