A request to Blazed (and others who are in plan to recruit more DT members)

[OgNasty]

I have also reached out to Theymos to see what his stance on red trust for shit posting is and will let you guys know.

If his reply is the below, what would be your response? 

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

I think DT users such as yourself Ognasty and Blazed will have to pressure him to get a clear answer on this.  You 2 users are at the top of the DT food chain and i think only users with your status are capable of getting him to crack under pressure. It would be nice to hear his Final view on the matter.

theymos has already given his guidance.  I believe the responsibility of DT users such as myself and Blazed would be to exclude users who engage in this behavior.  I have done so.  Blazed has done the opposite. 

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I will, of course, do whatever theymos says.  If he doesn't want this sort of feedback left, I'll delete it all or be banned.  And you won't see me bitching about it either.  

Whatever happens, it sure would be nice to get a solution from the man who runs bitcointalk.  If nothing else, we've put the spotlight on how bad the shitposting situation is.

OgNasty, I respect your decision fully.

[otrkid70]

I have also reached out to Theymos to see what his stance on red trust for shit posting is and will let you guys know.

If his reply is the below, what would be your response? 

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

I think DT users such as yourself Ognasty and Blazed will have to pressure him to get a clear answer on this.  You 2 users are at the top of the DT food chain and i think only users with your status are capable of getting him to crack under pressure. It would be nice to hear his Final view on the matter.

theymos has already given his guidance.  I believe the responsibility of DT users such as myself and Blazed would be to exclude users who engage in this behavior.  I have done so.  Blazed has done the opposite. 

I agree with you OgNasty. theymos already stated DO NOT rate people based on the quality of their post. This is a RULE as far as i'm concerned.  Blazed is a decent guy i think he will take your route. It's the right thing to do.

[Scam Exposey]

Why this request to Blazed
I understand the recent DT inclusions were done due to Blazed's recommendation.

The problem
If we notice most of the DT members are not competing with rest of forum members for selling their signature and avatar spaces.

For example,
hilariousandco and Lutpin are not competing for earning opportunity but accepting offers to show advertisements.
Lauda is intensively looking for earning opportunity in the name of ACE and ALU.

The recent DT members The Pharmacist and actmyname are still competing with rest of forum members for selling their avatar and signature spaces.

(actmyname was in bitsler camp for more than one year and The Pharmacist always competes in Yahoo's altcoin camps.)

Now, after they have the power to disqualify any forum members to lessen the completion to get slots, how we can believe that they will not misuse their DT power ?

(I assume these people must have tons of alt accounts and they want to grab more slots as much as possible)

Until Lauda started managing bitmixer camp, it (the cat) never bothered about account dealing nor shit posting even it was a staff and DT member for years. Why suddenly started giving neg trust to 1000s of accounts along with competing with rest of forum members to earn more.

The clear breach of trust system guidelines for personal benefits

As per theymos' guidelines on trust system, a feedback should not be based on quality of posts.

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

But these people are providing rating only based on quality of posts whereas "Report to moderator' option is available everywhere or SMAS black-listing also an option against quality of posting.


The request
Please include the members into DT who are not into a situation where they will not misuse their power. When a DT member's behaviors is changing, please monitor them closely.

They were added by me directly not via my recommendation.

Most people that have been here for a long time with good ratings (like myself) do not really compete for campaign spots. I have not formally applied for a slot for 2+ years and have no requirements post wise. Being in the DT network does not get you any such benefits it only causes you headaches. Being trusted means any rating you leave is put under a microscope (as it should be). Both The Pharmacist and actmyname are double checking any of their old feedbacks to make them as error free as possible since their feedback shows up by default.
 
I have also reached out to Theymos to see what his stance on red trust for shit posting is and will let you guys know. This forum has gone so far down hill from the bad posts for pay that it is almost useless. The hope is with a threat of ruined accounts people will behave better...

The tagged are not old ones its new if you view it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017 and he became abuser when join on DT network.

I have also reached out to Theymos to see what his stance on red trust for shit posting is and will let you guys know.

If his reply is the below, what would be your response?  

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

And same as Ognasty we need a response for this abusing issue.

BTW did Blazed really check on who are the best candidate to be listed on DT network since lately the one added are the greedy baboons who impose their wrong stance for personal gains.

[actmyname]

The tagged are not old ones its new if you view it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017 and he became abuser when join on DT network.

When was I added to DT? You tell me what you think and I'll give you the actual answer.

And yeah, I definitely added more feedback since then.

[Scam Exposey]

The tagged are not old ones its new if you view it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017 and he became abuser when join on DT network.

And yeah, I definitely added more feedback since then.

Perfect example of Abusive guy  .

[Gaaara]

The tagged are not old ones its new if you view it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=465017 and he became abuser when join on DT network.

When was I added to DT? You tell me what you think and I'll give you the actual answer.

And yeah, I definitely added more feedback since then.

I have been given a red trust by you, and for me that isn't right, I know I should be more considerable about the quality of my posts but what does that do with trust? What I know is that negative trust is being placed for a user who has a history of scamming or inequality in regards of cryptocurrencies.

Don't you think it is too much for you to clean the forum? It was not your job to clean the forum, our moderators are the one that handles this type of issue, I never scam and always follows rules as indicated, and because you gave me a red trust now I look like one of the scammers and cannot be trusted.

Base on your profile you're still a child and you act like one, each user in here is part of the economy so treat them right and with all respect.

Your job is to maintain equality in this forum and dont you think you're the one who is being unfair?

[actmyname]

I have been given a red trust by you, and for me that isn't right, I know I should be more considerable about the quality of my posts but what does that do with trust? What I know is that negative trust is being placed for a user who has a history of scamming or inequality in regards of cryptocurrencies.

I don't trust you because you're spamming on the forum. If you are making this place worse, then why would I have anything above contempt for you?

Don't you think it is too much for you to clean the forum?

Yes.

It was not your job to clean the forum, our moderators are the one that handles this type of issue

And they are doing a pitiful job, honestly. Even if they are putting out an effort, there's just too much to deal with.

I never scam and always follows rules as indicated, and because you gave me a red trust now I look like one of the scammers and cannot be trusted.

So then improve your post quality. It's not permanent if you're willing to show some effort!

Base on your profile you're still a child and you act like one, each user in here is part of the economy so treat them right and with all respect.

What? The only childish thing is the way that everyone is reacting to the negative feedback. I have outlined a perfectly reasonable way to change the negative to a neutral: make better posts.

Your job is to maintain equality in this forum and dont you think you're the one who is being unfair?

No. I don't. I think it's unfair how people who have no care for the forum are being enabled to earn money even though they're shoveling mountains of shit onto the grave that holds the quality of the boards.

Compare the quality of Bitcoin Discussion now vs. years ago.

[Gaaara]

Are you doing it for attention? do you want your name to be known in this forum that much? If so you're doing great.

Compare the quality of Bitcoin Discussion now vs. years ago.

Are you indicating that we should lessen the new user in here? Because it looks like you're saying that new users made bitcoin discussion worse, it is a free forum and we can posts anything that is not against the rules.

The forum is getting some attention isn't that great? Moderators are making a wider community, that is the reason why they made the marketplace and other childboards for a reason. It is not against the rules if we wanted to gain profit by participating in this forum.

I know and I understand that you wanted to clean the forum but you should not throw users a negative trust just so you can destroy their status in this forum because I have been here for years and I don't think you're doing the right thing because you cannot change anything by destroying other users status.

What you want is not to change the current situation of the forum because I can see what you're doing is for yourself. I hope you will understand.

It was not your job to clean the forum, our moderators are the one that handles this type of issue

And they are doing a pitiful job, honestly. Even if they are putting out an effort, there's just too much to deal with.

And now you're more superior than moderators? Seriously? You think too much of yourself, stop what you're doing you're not helping you just making it worse.

You're giving users a red trust now the forum looks more shit! You think that the forum will improve because you give negative trust to users because of spamming?
Look at the forum now with you giving us negative trust the forum looks unreliable. If there is lots of negative trust place on various users do you think the forum can still be trusted if the users have some trust issues?

For you we have the negative trust because of spamming but for others we are more likely to be a scammer or a user who abuse other user.

Please reconsider what you've done.

[Joel_Jantsen]

I will, of course, do whatever theymos says.  If he doesn't want this sort of feedback left, I'll delete it all or be banned.  And you won't see me bitching about it either.  

That's wrong to say ...You really shouldn't overthink what stance theymos has on the situation...If you think whatever you are doing is right,please continue to do so without having other's opinions influencing you.I believe you will continue giving the feedback even if you're dropped from the DT ?

[Blazed]

I have also reached out to Theymos to see what his stance on red trust for shit posting is and will let you guys know.

If his reply is the below, what would be your response? 

- Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts.

I think DT users such as yourself Ognasty and Blazed will have to pressure him to get a clear answer on this.  You 2 users are at the top of the DT food chain and i think only users with your status are capable of getting him to crack under pressure. It would be nice to hear his Final view on the matter.

theymos has already given his guidance.  I believe the responsibility of DT users such as myself and Blazed would be to exclude users who engage in this behavior.  I have done so.  Blazed has done the opposite. 

That was 5 years ago before spam was like this. Back in 2013 the forum was great and everyone enjoyed using it.

[Lauda]

That was 5 years ago before spam was like this. Back in 2013 the forum was great and everyone enjoyed using it.

I wouldn't say great, but definitely at least several times better than it is now. The guidelines are very outdated.

[LoyceV]

I will, of course, do whatever theymos says.  If he doesn't want this sort of feedback left, I'll delete it all or be banned.  And you won't see me bitching about it either.  

Whatever happens, it sure would be nice to get a solution from the man who runs bitcointalk.  If nothing else, we've put the spotlight on how bad the shitposting situation is.

This answers your question:

That's partially why I sped up work on merit. I don't agree with using the trust system for pure spam; that's not what it was designed for.

[Blazed]

I will, of course, do whatever theymos says.  If he doesn't want this sort of feedback left, I'll delete it all or be banned.  And you won't see me bitching about it either.  

Whatever happens, it sure would be nice to get a solution from the man who runs bitcointalk.  If nothing else, we've put the spotlight on how bad the shitposting situation is.

This answers your question:

That's partially why I sped up work on merit. I don't agree with using the trust system for pure spam; that's not what it was designed for.

Yep... I assume the spammers will be happy once again 

[Quickseller]

I will, of course, do whatever theymos says.  If he doesn't want this sort of feedback left, I'll delete it all or be banned.  And you won't see me bitching about it either.  

Whatever happens, it sure would be nice to get a solution from the man who runs bitcointalk.  If nothing else, we've put the spotlight on how bad the shitposting situation is.

This answers your question:

That's partially why I sped up work on merit. I don't agree with using the trust system for pure spam; that's not what it was designed for.

Yep... I assume the spammers will be happy once again  

Actually the spammers will no longer be able to rank up anymore...

I think this is probably a good time to take of the wannabe mods off your trust list if they haven’t been already.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I tried to help, as did actmyname and Blazed.  At least we got a fired-up discussion going and pissed off a lot of shitposters.  I'll be removing my feedbacks, but it'll take some time to do so.

[reypinioco]

I tried to help, as did actmyname and Blazed.  At least we got a fired-up discussion going and pissed off a lot of shitposters.  I'll be removing my feedbacks, but it'll take some time to do so.

Oh yeah?but thanks in advance i should have given you my sMERIT for that.

[EcuaMobi]

I tried to help, as did actmyname and Blazed.  At least we got a fired-up discussion going and pissed off a lot of shitposters.  I'll be removing my feedbacks, but it'll take some time to do so.

You may consider leaving neutral instead. Just to keep track. There's hope there will be some changes to fight low-quality posts and we could re-use your work.
We may be able to add them to SMAS and enforce it, tag them as spammers or other solution.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I tried to help, as did actmyname and Blazed.  At least we got a fired-up discussion going and pissed off a lot of shitposters.  I'll be removing my feedbacks, but it'll take some time to do so.

You may consider leaving neutral instead. Just to keep track. There's hope there will be some changes to fight low-quality posts and we could re-use your work.
We may be able to add them to SMAS and enforce it, tag them as spammers or other solution.

OK, I can do that but it'll take quite some time.  Right now I just have a phone, but I'll start changing the negs to neutrals tomorrow.   I'm going to assume theymos will be OK with that.  I know the shitposters will be throwing a victory parade. 

[reypinioco]

I tried to help, as did actmyname and Blazed.  At least we got a fired-up discussion going and pissed off a lot of shitposters.  I'll be removing my feedbacks, but it'll take some time to do so.

You may consider leaving neutral instead. Just to keep track. There's hope there will be some changes to fight low-quality posts and we could re-use your work.
We may be able to add them to SMAS and enforce it, tag them as spammers or other solution.

OK, I can do that but it'll take quite some time.  Right now I just have a phone, but I'll start changing the negs to neutrals tomorrow.   I'm going to assume theymos will be OK with that.  I know the shitposters will be throwing a victory parade. 

Thats very good to hear that,you deserved to have a commendation for being brave and these shitposters deserved a second chance.