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January 22, 2018, 07:56:44 PM
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Hi all,

So, to get it out of the way, this account has newbie status. I don't think that should be relevant, but since this guy is probably about to tag me, let's just get the abuse out of the way. FWIW, I did have an older account (MUCH older), but I can't recover it, so them's the breaks.

So anyhow.

This guy "The Pharmacist" has been on a rampage on the Beginner's board. And that's fine, cos in fairness, there is a lot of crap posted on there.

But his trust ratings are all to do with "No english", "Filipino shitposter", and more "not as white as me" type comments. Yeah, OK, the last one was exaggeration for the purpose of emphasis, but it's not undeserved. Check his lovely trust history.

My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?

If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit.

If the answer, on the other hand, is NO, then why are this guy's trust ratings valid, and who is auditing them?

I get that he's in this "Default Trust" network....which in my opinion is a terrible idea to start with. "Default"? REALLY? I trust my great-uncle to tell me great stories about when he was a child in post-WW2 London. I also implicitly trust him to buy his round at the bar. I do NOT trust him not to grab my wife's ass when he's had a couple of glasses of red. So is he "default" or not? Well, I guess it kinda DEPENDS.

Trusted to perform escrow based on multiple previous dealings - great. No people skills required, just the ability to track a trade, potentially handle some postage, and a facility with wallets.

Trusted to moderate a board? People and interpretation skills most definitely required. Also a cool head, a calm approach, an intelligent approach to cultural issues, a diplomatic manner, and many other things.

Some people have both, and that's amazing. However, when we talk about TRUST ratings, this is not the same as moderation - that's required, and to be honest, the right people are in place mostly....nowadays.

So coming back to this default trust thing....

Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?

How did they earn it? Escrow? Fine, make them a trusted escrow. Moderation? Fine, make them a mod.

To let people run around like this posting racist red marks on anyone they choose is insanity. This is the biggest crypto-board in the world, and I can tell you that it's quickly building a reputation as the unfriendliest. Most especially among members of non-English speaking countries who don't have a dedicated child-forum.

Who says they are not valuable, or will not become valuable, members of the community?

You lot want Crypto to succeed? Yes? Then we need people from everywhere backing it and being curious. They don't deserve to encounter an arsehole like this guy. FYI: Google translate is pretty popular, but not perfect.

For this guy to run around tagging people because English is not their first language is plain wrong. You don't have to take my word for that. Check his trust page (all four billion pages of it, the arrogant bastard), and look at his remarks from late 2017 to date. More and more racist.

The Pharmacist - feel free to tag this account with negative trust. Don't you dare say that it's because of poor English though, because I'll debate you into a hole. Do the decent thing, and go back on your trust history, and remove the red marks you made on people honestly trying to learn and become involved. Collaborate with Mitchell and the mods on the Beginner forum to ban the genuine shitposters. Get your dirty racist comments off that page, and be a grown-up.

And for the love of God, would someone please get rid of this ridiculous, outlandish idea of "default trust", and the people who abuse it.
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January 22, 2018, 08:09:38 PM
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Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?

Trust is not unpoliced. The Pharmacist is on DT2, so members on DT1 can choose to exclude him. They are:
    theymos (1)
    HostFat (1)
    dooglus (1)
    Maged (1)
    dserrano5 (1)
    OgNasty (1)
    Tomatocage (1)
    SaltySpitoon (1)
    philipma1957 (1)
    Cyrus (1)
    Blazed (1)
    hilariousandco (1)
    OldScammerTag (1)

The Pharmacist currently has 1 point from Blazed. Other DT1 members can choose to exclude The Pharmacist, reducing his score by 1 point per exclusion. If his score falls below 0, he is no longer part of default trust. Counter ratings also exist. If DT2 member feel that another DT member's trust is bad, they can leave a counter rating: (taken from owlcatz's profile



No one is forced to use DefaultTrust as well. Make your own trust list if you feel that DefaultTrust is bad, or just exclude The Pharmacist from your own trust list.

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My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?

If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit.

Obviously the answer is no, if this weren't true, then there wouldn't be other language boards.

Is French required to participate on the French board? If you consider the answer to be yes, then that answers your question about the English boards.

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January 22, 2018, 08:18:33 PM
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Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?

Trust is not unpoliced. The Pharmacist is on DT2, so members on DT1 can choose to exclude him. They are:
    theymos (1)
    HostFat (1)
    dooglus (1)
    Maged (1)
    dserrano5 (1)
    OgNasty (1)
    Tomatocage (1)
    SaltySpitoon (1)
    philipma1957 (1)
    Cyrus (1)
    Blazed (1)
    hilariousandco (1)
    OldScammerTag (1)

The Pharmacist currently has 1 point from Blazed. Other DT1 members can choose to exclude The Pharmacist, reducing his score by 1 point per exclusion. If his score falls below 0, he is no longer part of default trust. Counter ratings also exist. If DT2 member feel that another DT member's trust is bad, they can leave a counter rating: (taken from owlcatz's profile



No one is forced to use DefaultTrust as well. Make your own trust list if you feel that DefaultTrust is bad, or just exclude The Pharmacist from your own trust list.

What you've just posted is the definition of a small group who self-police.

One guy posting a plus to counter a negative, based on one single opinion? So the total is zero? Ah, cmon.

And it can only come from DT2 or DT1? Well, wait, where do the newbies come in? Who represents them?

I'm not a communist saying everything should be shared. Neither am I a socialist saying the people who do the work should have the decision. But I am saying that you can't have this power-mad racist running around destroying the new members just because they don't speak English to his satisfaction.
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My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?

If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit.

Obviously the answer is no, if this weren't true, then there wouldn't be other language boards.

Is French required to participate on the French board? If you consider the answer to be yes, then that answers your question about the English boards.

This reasoning is fine if you provide a language board for every language on earth.

Can you please tell me what's wrong with Latvians? I am not Latvian, but I would like you to tell me why a Latvian person who doesn't speak very good English risks "feedback" (believe me I'm being fucking generous) from this racist?
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January 22, 2018, 10:46:23 PM
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Can you please tell me what's wrong with Latvians? I am not Latvian, but I would like you to tell me why a Latvian person who doesn't speak very good English risks "feedback" (believe me I'm being fucking generous) from this racist?
There's nothing wrong with Latvians.  This has very little to do with race or nationality and everything to do with post quality and, by extension, the quality of this forum.

If you think I'm going to neg you for speaking out against me, you have absolutely the wrong idea about why I'm doing this.  You think this is all about racism and it isn't.

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Can you please tell me what's wrong with Latvians? I am not Latvian, but I would like you to tell me why a Latvian person who doesn't speak very good English risks "feedback" (believe me I'm being fucking generous) from this racist?
There's nothing wrong with Latvians.  This has very little to do with race or nationality and everything to do with post quality and, by extension, the quality of this forum.

If you think I'm going to neg you for speaking out against me, you have absolutely the wrong idea about why I'm doing this.  You think this is all about racism and it isn't.

Who are you to judge post quality? What are the metrics you use? How are these validated? Who polices you?

I'm all for getting rid of the shitposters, because oddly, I agree with your stance on that.

But to put a comment in like "Typical Fillipino no-english shitposter".....what the hell are you playing at?

Can you even count the number of slurs?

Go back on your trust post history, be a grown up about it, and either edit or remove them.

Stop bullying the newbies, you power-mad arrogant clown.

If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.
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i dont understand what is Dt 2 and Dt 1 and who are the guys who can give feedback and im too tired to understand
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January 22, 2018, 11:58:08 PM
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No one is forced to use DefaultTrust as well. Make your own trust list if you feel that DefaultTrust is bad, or just exclude The Pharmacist from your own trust list.
but as you change your own DefaultTrust, the change only reflected on your viewing other users' trust scores
for example UserA got negged by DT1/DT2 then he changed his DefaultTrust, made his own list of trusted user members
changing his own DefaultTrust only change the way he sees other user's trust ratings & scores, and not the way others see his
even if he did that, nothing changed. Other users would still see the red trust on his (UserA) feedback and with -2 points (1 neg)
because those other users are using/basing DefaultTrust for his (UserA) trust feedback ratings & calculated scores
this is how I see and understand the Trust System, if I was mistaken please correct me

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If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.
So you don't like what I'm doing, but because I'm not over in the ANN board doing it, it's wrong.  

Mmm hm.

You're spouting liberal nonsense about racism here.  Asian countries are very well represented here amongst the sig campaign shitposters.  Do I have hard data on that?  Absolutely not.  Nor will I, nor do I need to.  You're complaining about my wording, but most of the time I have no idea where a specific shitposter is from.  That "3rd world" line is a copy/paste to save me time.  

You can be offended if you like, but I'd rather be doing something about the shitposter problem instead of doing nothing.  If a better solution comes along, I will happily erase ALL of my feedbacks.  I agree with everyone who's said this isn't a good solution, but I do think it's doing something positive for the forum--and this forum has gone to hell because of the shitposting.
What good solution for bringing it up? Do you think its best for the furom to drive out its users?
A lot of them, yes.  Starting with the ones I've tagged. 

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If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.
So you don't like what I'm doing, but because I'm not over in the ANN board doing it, it's wrong. 

Mmm hm.

You're spouting liberal nonsense about racism here.  Asian countries are very well represented here amongst the sig campaign shitposters.  Do I have hard data on that?  Absolutely not.  Nor will I, nor do I need to.  You're complaining about my wording, but most of the time I have no idea where a specific shitposter is from.  That "3rd world" line is a copy/paste to save me time. 

You can be offended if you like, but I'd rather be doing something about the shitposter problem instead of doing nothing.  If a better solution comes along, I will happily erase ALL of my feedbacks.  I agree with everyone who's said this isn't a good solution, but I do think it's doing something positive for the forum--and this forum has gone to hell because of the shitposting.

What good solution for bringing it up? Do you think its best for the furom to drive out its users?

This furom is so great but its slowly killed by those Abusive guy.
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Look like The Pharmacist created a big mess and it's now the time for Mods and DT1 members to clean it up.
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Look like The Pharmacist created a big mess and it's now the time for Mods and DT1 members to clean it up.
It isn't me who created the mess.  The mess was here way before I got here, and it was created by shitposters who are paid to write gibberish that no one reads. 

If you're getting paid to post here, you should put in some effort.  If I knew of a better solution I'd do it, but there isn't much someone can do if that someone doesn't run the forum. 

If you're butthurt, that's your problem.   Get a nice soothing ointment, not that it'll help the redness.

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Look like The Pharmacist created a big mess and it's now the time for Mods and DT1 members to clean it up.
It isn't me who created the mess.  The mess was here way before I got here, and it was created by shitposters who are paid to write gibberish that no one reads. 
Two DT2 additions occurred just when I tagged over 150 accounts in 1 day (I believe). It's kind of a combined butthurt. Had these events unfolded separately, the complaining would be less annoying (e.g. that one guy who started multiple threads about it).

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January 23, 2018, 10:02:34 AM
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My two friends called me crying why do we have negative trust, did we do something wrong are we going to be banned without earning a cent? And yeah when I check their account I saw this the pharmacist who gave them negative trust same also with my younger brother.....

I was a little bit assamed since I was the one to told them to join me, and I don't know how to answer them, I just simply told the to send PM to ask what's the problem.....

Since three of them I think started in same week, one of them gat '' this account is used to farm '', something like that, and the other one is the '' shit post'',  why not give newbie like us to explore and learn as we go, if we post too much in beginner and off topic atleast considered it, and check if we improve after the next rank,,,

. Maybe he should send PM first before placing some negative trust and negative comment... Thank you for understanding also...

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I came here reading some threads then saw people who have negative trust. Then saw a user name The Pharmacist created a feedback that says something like shitposters so I checked that one person's post history, I saw the responses of that certain poster and it's not that bad. It's not a long post though and not really perfect but its not that bad. So I thought ah maybe this was just a mistake. And upon reading more and more post I saw again few users with negative trust and was guess what? The Pharmacist again! Honestly the users comments on forum are not that bad. It's you who have a problem, its not their fault if they don't pass your judgement. Not everyone knows English well and not everyone knows how to convey what they want properly as long as they are understandable and the replies are of substance, why not?
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Great story! Thanks! Same with the other users, this forum is for Bitcoin discussion, not for you to post meaninglessly with no substances and expect to gain anything from it.
The Pharmacist again! Honestly the users comments on forum are not that bad. It's you who have a problem, its not their fault if they don't pass your judgement. Not everyone knows English well and not everyone knows how to convey what they want properly as long as they are understandable and the replies are of substance, why not?
Use the local board then. I wouldn't think that posting about some offtopic stuff or merely jumble up some stuff and post it would be considered as constructive. In spite of what you think, most of the posts either don't make sense at all or doesn't contribute anything to the discussion. The common trend is for them to be active for an hour, spam it up and proceed to their next account.

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My two friends called me crying why do we have negative trust, did we do something wrong are we going to be banned without earning a cent? And yeah when I check their account I saw this the pharmacist who gave them negative trust same also with my younger brother.....

I was a little bit assamed since I was the one to told them to join me, and I don't know how to answer them, I just simply told the to send PM to ask what's the problem.....

Since three of them I think started in same week, one of them gat '' this account is used to farm '', something like that, and the other one is the '' shit post'',  why not give newbie like us to explore and learn as we go, if we post too much in beginner and off topic atleast considered it, and check if we improve after the next rank,,,

Because exploring and learning is not talking for the 4000th time about whether bitcoin's price matters or not, if bitcoin can make banks disappear, what your plans are with bitcoin, how you first heard about bitcoin, why people don't believe in bitcoin, etc.

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If you disagree with this statement, show me your "moderation" of the ANN board or the other scamfest areas.
So you don't like what I'm doing, but because I'm not over in the ANN board doing it, it's wrong.  


Mmm hm.

Mmm hm, indeed. You are able to pick on the weak ones, but not on the fucking scamfests brewing on various forums here? Yeah, you're a man.

You're spouting liberal nonsense about racism here.  Asian countries are very well represented here amongst the sig campaign shitposters.  Do I have hard data on that?  Absolutely not.  Nor will I, nor do I need to.  You're complaining about my wording, but most of the time I have no idea where a specific shitposter is from.  That "3rd world" line is a copy/paste to save me time.  

You can be offended if you like, but I'd rather be doing something about the shitposter problem instead of doing nothing.

You think racism is a "liberal" issue? You arrogant bastard. Do you even know what "3rd world" means?

You're a trigger-happy hillbilly, and you KNOW you are. If you were so certain of your situation, you'd try this crap with the stronger ones, who'd call you out to prove it. And yet....you don't.

Weak.

If a better solution comes along, I will happily erase ALL of my feedbacks.  I agree with everyone who's said this isn't a good solution, but I do think it's doing something positive for the forum--and this forum has gone to hell because of the shitposting.

You won't, because it'd mean admitting you're wrong. And you haven't the balls to do that.

If the forum is in shit because of shitposting, moderate it and ban people. Theymos and the other bitcoin b/millionares have enough money to dole out a fraction of a BTC per month. And it's in their interests to do so.....unless it's a case of "you can't have some, cos we saw the pie first. Newbies not welcome.".

Saying that people are untrustworthy, and tagging them in red because YOU feel their english is not good enough? Don't make me fucking laugh. Oh no, wait, you did already.

You're abusing this. You know you are. But you're too weak to back down.

Pfft.
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Hi all,

So, to get it out of the way, this account has newbie status. I don't think that should be relevant, but since this guy is probably about to tag me, let's just get the abuse out of the way. FWIW, I did have an older account (MUCH older), but I can't recover it, so them's the breaks.

So anyhow.

This guy "The Pharmacist" has been on a rampage on the Beginner's board. And that's fine, cos in fairness, there is a lot of crap posted on there.

But his trust ratings are all to do with "No english", "Filipino shitposter", and more "not as white as me" type comments. Yeah, OK, the last one was exaggeration for the purpose of emphasis, but it's not undeserved. Check his lovely trust history.

My question is simple: Is English required to participate in this community?

If the answer is yes, may I ask that all other language boards be closed down immediately. Also let me know, as I am not into that kind of closed-minded thinking. I'd prefer to get the fuck out of dodge before we have to validate with a picture of our KKK outfit.

If the answer, on the other hand, is NO, then why are this guy's trust ratings valid, and who is auditing them?

I get that he's in this "Default Trust" network....which in my opinion is a terrible idea to start with. "Default"? REALLY? I trust my great-uncle to tell me great stories about when he was a child in post-WW2 London. I also implicitly trust him to buy his round at the bar. I do NOT trust him not to grab my wife's ass when he's had a couple of glasses of red. So is he "default" or not? Well, I guess it kinda DEPENDS.

Trusted to perform escrow based on multiple previous dealings - great. No people skills required, just the ability to track a trade, potentially handle some postage, and a facility with wallets.

Trusted to moderate a board? People and interpretation skills most definitely required. Also a cool head, a calm approach, an intelligent approach to cultural issues, a diplomatic manner, and many other things.

Some people have both, and that's amazing. However, when we talk about TRUST ratings, this is not the same as moderation - that's required, and to be honest, the right people are in place mostly....nowadays.

So coming back to this default trust thing....

Someone is given this ability to place the Red Mark of Plague (awaiting proof they don't internally call it this) on anyone they like, for any reason, UNPOLICED? Are you fucking NUTS?

How did they earn it? Escrow? Fine, make them a trusted escrow. Moderation? Fine, make them a mod.

To let people run around like this posting racist red marks on anyone they choose is insanity. This is the biggest crypto-board in the world, and I can tell you that it's quickly building a reputation as the unfriendliest. Most especially among members of non-English speaking countries who don't have a dedicated child-forum.

Who says they are not valuable, or will not become valuable, members of the community?

You lot want Crypto to succeed? Yes? Then we need people from everywhere backing it and being curious. They don't deserve to encounter an arsehole like this guy. FYI: Google translate is pretty popular, but not perfect.

For this guy to run around tagging people because English is not their first language is plain wrong. You don't have to take my word for that. Check his trust page (all four billion pages of it, the arrogant bastard), and look at his remarks from late 2017 to date. More and more racist.

The Pharmacist - feel free to tag this account with negative trust. Don't you dare say that it's because of poor English though, because I'll debate you into a hole. Do the decent thing, and go back on your trust history, and remove the red marks you made on people honestly trying to learn and become involved. Collaborate with Mitchell and the mods on the Beginner forum to ban the genuine shitposters. Get your dirty racist comments off that page, and be a grown-up.

And for the love of God, would someone please get rid of this ridiculous, outlandish idea of "default trust", and the people who abuse it.

I Agree with you 100% on this. The default Trust was put into place and was called "Marketplace Trust"  Designed to help users better understand  potential buyers/sellers history and use that information to Either make the sale/Transaction or not.   It was never meant to allow you to go on Hate Filled Feedback Rampages like he is doing. 

He has been Neg. People for using poor english and because they are from 3rd World countries. He is Breaking the very rule theymos laid down regarding the Marketplace trust   " Do not rate people based on the quality of their posts."                        He needs to go.
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