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January 29, 2018, 03:02:30 AM
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I really have no problem with the new system, this encourages us to think more, and to participate more with other people in the forum and soon enough we will get our merits. I just hope that admins will at least decrease the number of merits needed to level up, I guess increments of 20 merits will be fine enough as long as there is only a limit of 1 merit you can receive for like a day or so. The merit system now is somewhat biased though as a person who has a lot of merits can give out 50 merits in one post rather than distributing it to others with such good posts as well, so I guess a limit of 1 merit per person per day would be fair enough. The receiver of the merit is only limited to receive 1 merit per person who merits his post so if he could get 100 persons who likes his post for that day then that is an instant 100 merits for him.

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January 29, 2018, 03:17:12 AM
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I really have no problem with the new system, this encourages us to think more, and to participate more with other people in the forum and soon enough we will get our merits. I just hope that admins will at least decrease the number of merits needed to level up, I guess increments of 20 merits will be fine enough as long as there is only a limit of 1 merit you can receive for like a day or so. The merit system now is somewhat biased though as a person who has a lot of merits can give out 50 merits in one post rather than distributing it to others with such good posts as well, so I guess a limit of 1 merit per person per day would be fair enough. The receiver of the merit is only limited to receive 1 merit per person who merits his post so if he could get 100 persons who likes his post for that day then that is an instant 100 merits for him.
I dont think limit on merits per person per day is a good, appropriate choice. That should depends on the level of quality of each post and, of course, generosity of each merit senders. Let's everything work naturally, human will manage the merit system automatically.

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January 29, 2018, 03:29:25 AM
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I really have no problem with the new system, this encourages us to think more, and to participate more with other people in the forum and soon enough we will get our merits. I just hope that admins will at least decrease the number of merits needed to level up, I guess increments of 20 merits will be fine enough as long as there is only a limit of 1 merit you can receive for like a day or so. The merit system now is somewhat biased though as a person who has a lot of merits can give out 50 merits in one post rather than distributing it to others with such good posts as well, so I guess a limit of 1 merit per person per day would be fair enough. The receiver of the merit is only limited to receive 1 merit per person who merits his post so if he could get 100 persons who likes his post for that day then that is an instant 100 merits for him.
I dont think limit on merits per person per day is a good, appropriate choice. That should depends on the level of quality of each post and, of course, generosity of each merit senders. Let's everything work naturally, human will manage the merit system automatically.

limit of merits per day will add extra proofing on the system so that people would not game on the system. There are a lot of people giving out 20 or more merits but if you read the post it is not that good to be merited 20 merits, Rather than giving it to a single person why not spread it to others with also good post. Your generosity is not determined by the number of merits you give to one single person but the number of persons who are thankful for the merit you gave them even if it is only 1 merit, that is already more than enough to let them know that they did great on their post.

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January 29, 2018, 03:33:13 AM
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I agree with you. In fact, there are only a few legendary members in BBS who welcome the new system because they don't need to upgrade!
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January 29, 2018, 03:39:02 AM
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limit of merits per day will add extra proofing on the system so that people would not game on the system. There are a lot of people giving out 20 or more merits but if you read the post it is not that good to be merited 20 merits, Rather than giving it to a single person why not spread it to others with also good post. Your generosity is not determined by the number of merits you give to one single person but the number of persons who are thankful for the merit you gave them even if it is only 1 merit, that is already more than enough to let them know that they did great on their post.

Is this what you meant?

Everyone now in the forum specially low ranked users has only one target : how can I get free merit points , I have the solution for you :
1- improve your writing style
2- try to read posts before relying so you don't repeat something already said
3- improve your English or just stay in your local board
4- try to avoid participating in signature campaigns because this is the big issue in this forum and the reason of the low quality posts nowadays
If you're here to make money then there is millions of opportunities and ideas in this forum that should help you , not only signature campaigns .
Anyway I advice you to forget about getting something free here , every thing has a price , even this post has a price , his price is my time .  Wink

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I also notice that your topic got 50 sMerits from someone. That's really strange. Your topic is good, but not good or high-qualitied enough which deserved to get 50 sMerits from only one user.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

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January 29, 2018, 04:22:41 AM
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The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks Smiley  
  
I think that the merit system is also have its ups and downs for example: We all need to post a quality topic or answers to the topics to gain a merit,
And the negative side is there are some users who would surely going to abuse this system.
There would surely be some users who would sell their smerits.

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January 29, 2018, 04:34:33 AM
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I think that the merit system is also have its ups and downs for example: We all need to post a quality topic or answers to the topics to gain a merit,
And the negative side is there are some users who would surely going to abuse this system.
There would surely be some users who would sell their smerits.

For your interest, let's discuss and give Theymos more ideas on merit system related to user ranking.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2841364.msg29143413#msg29143413
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January 29, 2018, 10:48:27 AM
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limit of merits per day will add extra proofing on the system so that people would not game on the system. There are a lot of people giving out 20 or more merits but if you read the post it is not that good to be merited 20 merits, Rather than giving it to a single person why not spread it to others with also good post. Your generosity is not determined by the number of merits you give to one single person but the number of persons who are thankful for the merit you gave them even if it is only 1 merit, that is already more than enough to let them know that they did great on their post.

Is this what you meant?

Everyone now in the forum specially low ranked users has only one target : how can I get free merit points , I have the solution for you :
1- improve your writing style
2- try to read posts before relying so you don't repeat something already said
3- improve your English or just stay in your local board
4- try to avoid participating in signature campaigns because this is the big issue in this forum and the reason of the low quality posts nowadays
If you're here to make money then there is millions of opportunities and ideas in this forum that should help you , not only signature campaigns .
Anyway I advice you to forget about getting something free here , every thing has a price , even this post has a price , his price is my time .  Wink

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I also notice that your topic got 50 sMerits from someone. That's really strange. Your topic is good, but not good or high-qualitied enough which deserved to get 50 sMerits from only one user.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

This is an example, but i am talking in general. I am not pointing fingers to who has given merits and how many they gave. Yes maybe they are just being generous, but com'on there are a lot of people still posting good stuff here but have not been merited. He could at least spread out those merits, than giving it to one person. For me one merit is enough to appreciate a post. If you do like the content of the post you can at least give one merit then spread the rest of the merits to other good posts. That is why this system is really prone to gaming. I am not against of the merits system. I am just worried on how the merits are going to be allocated and spread out.

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January 29, 2018, 10:58:00 AM
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Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.
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January 29, 2018, 11:00:59 AM
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Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

Dude everyone senior here wants a cleaner and more valuable forum. Members with sMerit pass them on as its pointless them just sitting in our balances.

your point is flawed bud

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January 29, 2018, 11:08:47 AM
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I expect exceptional posters will have no problem at all achieving their ranks very fast. Good posters will probably get there pretty quick. Mediocre/average users will very likely take quite a while and shitposters will take a very long time if ever. If that all happens as stated then the system will be working as intended. If you're not getting many merit points then the problem will be with your posts but if you keep making quality posts then you'll likely be recognised for such over time but this system isn't meant so every shitposter can quickly rank up just by making some generic half-assed posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=toptopics

It seems that posting about Bitcoin and the Bitcoin economy has no merit any more.
Exactly, if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion forum or the economics forum there is hardly any merit given there. Ok I agree most of the topics there are spam mega threads, but there are few good ones but even those aren't receiving any merits.
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Exactly, if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion forum or the economics forum there is hardly any merit given there. Ok I agree most of the topics there are spam mega threads, but there are few good ones but even those aren't receiving any merits.

Or you could look at the serious discussion boards. Very little spam, but no signatures and not many merit points. That's a barometer for the current board climate. Smiley

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In my thought the new merit system will make users give better quality posting. Probably merit system won't affect the ranking of the users.

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January 29, 2018, 12:10:37 PM
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i am confused on this system whether it is good or bad .
so want to give time to this system and lets see results after 1-2 months .


With anything new it is always necessary to give it time. Theymos has already said things aren't working exactly as intended and that he's going to keep making changes until he's happy with things. I think the main thing will be having more merit sources or them having a larger amount of merits. To suggest it's impossible to rank up is simply not correct however, those people who contribute and write constructive posts will be able to rank up, however it may be slower than before. Realistically what seems like the large majority of forum users should not be ranking up because they do not contribute anything.

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January 29, 2018, 12:21:36 PM
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Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

Dude everyone senior here wants a cleaner and more valuable forum. Members with sMerit pass them on as its pointless them just sitting in our balances.

your point is flawed bud

Meh... I don't think my point is flawed.
1) Older users could not login for some weeks and do not distribuite their points
2) Older users could think "well, my rank is "exclusive", so why should I help others to reach me?"
3) Older users could easier forgot to distribuite their points
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January 29, 2018, 04:26:37 PM
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Exactly, if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion forum or the economics forum there is hardly any merit given there. Ok I agree most of the topics there are spam mega threads, but there are few good ones but even those aren't receiving any merits.

Or you could look at the serious discussion boards. Very little spam, but no signatures and not many merit points. That's a barometer for the current board climate. Smiley
Yeah it's like you get merits for posting something related to merits. Look at Lutpin he got over 1000 merits for just answering to all the questions in main merit thread.
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January 29, 2018, 04:38:24 PM
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Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

Dude everyone senior here wants a cleaner and more valuable forum. Members with sMerit pass them on as its pointless them just sitting in our balances.

your point is flawed bud

Meh... I don't think my point is flawed.
1) Older users could not login for some weeks and do not distribuite their points
2) Older users could think "well, my rank is "exclusive", so why should I help others to reach me?"
3) Older users could easier forgot to distribuite their points

1) few weeks. So what
2) then merits will decay and be distributed to more sources
3) same as above

Stop being so negative and try to embrace the system, if not you are only going to piss yourself off

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January 29, 2018, 04:44:10 PM
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Exactly, if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion forum or the economics forum there is hardly any merit given there. Ok I agree most of the topics there are spam mega threads, but there are few good ones but even those aren't receiving any merits.

Or you could look at the serious discussion boards. Very little spam, but no signatures and not many merit points. That's a barometer for the current board climate. Smiley
Yeah it's like you get merits for posting something related to merits. Look at Lutpin he got over 1000 merits for just answering to all the questions in main merit thread.

Lutpin got over than 1000 merits? wow are you sure?? You should first check that on this link :

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You can add that point and see if that counts to 1000++ . And i am 100% sure it is not up to 1000 merit points.
The reason why he got 1600++ because theymos decided to make account with minimal activity point in range of legendary member has 1000 merit, which he didnt got at first (he got 500 at first), theymos decided and patched it after for all hero member account that has potential activity to be legendary member rank. Please read and dont talk without a data, it will make you sounds stupid and full of hate toward someone.
I am not kissing lutpin's ass, im correcting you from your fault, your hate, and your pessimistic about this system.
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January 29, 2018, 05:25:10 PM
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I am not kissing lutpin's ass, im correcting you from your fault, your hate, and your pessimistic about this system.

Ahem.. Firstly I don't hate Lutpin or the merit system, he deserved all the merit that he got. I was just giving his example that all the merit he got is from the replies he gave in the merit thread.


You can add that point and see if that counts to 1000++ . And i am 100% sure it is not up to 1000 merit points.
The reason why he got 1600++ because theymos decided to make account with minimal activity point in range of legendary member has 1000 merit, which he didnt got at first (he got 500 at first), theymos decided and patched it after for all hero member account that has potential activity to be legendary member rank. Please read and dont talk without a data, it will make you sounds stupid and full of hate toward someone.
Well, I didn't knew about that. So its not 1000+ merit, it's still 500+ that's still a lot.
As I said I was just trying to point out he got most of merit from his replies in the merit thread.
I agree I might have been a bit wrong about the facts but you don't need to get so angry about it.
I am just trying to point out that people are giving merit only to the posts which are related to merits rather than other 'quality' posts.
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