The reality is 99.9% members can never rank up with the new merit system.

[cybersofts]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

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[TMAN]

Yet another negatively biased post about the merit system. This solves nothing, just get onboard and try being a next level poster..

3 days in and you want people to vote on how hard it will be? You want to say that 99%+ won't level up.

How about waiting for a month? Trying to be an excellent poster??

[hilariousetc]

I expect exceptional posters will have no problem at all achieving their ranks very fast. Good posters will probably get there pretty quick. Mediocre/average users will very likely take quite a while and shitposters will take a very long time if ever. If that all happens as stated then the system will be working as intended. If you're not getting many merit points then the problem will be with your posts but if you keep making quality posts then you'll likely be recognised for such over time but this system isn't meant so every shitposter can quickly rank up just by making some generic half-assed posts.

[ranochigo]

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  

Not really. The merit system does the job well by eliminating those who post solely to rank up (ie. account farmers) and those who post solely for signature campaigns. If you were to post quality content or content with sufficient value, then it would probably be merited. Merits doesn't have a use except to give them away so theres no use for us to keep them anyways, just spend it.

It was way too easy to rank up to encourage spam. If anything, merit system shouldn't go, no matter what. Obviously, if you were to post in a topic with thousands of replies, then the possibility of you being merited is low since your point has likely been echoed hundreds of times. Post constructively and I'm sure its not that hard to rank up.

[cybersofts]

Yet another negatively biased post about the merit system. This solves nothing, just get onboard and try being a next level poster..

3 days in and you want people to vote on how hard it will be? You want to say that 99%+ won't level up.

How about waiting for a month? Trying to be an excellent poster??

What is wrong with speaking my mind? This is just my thoughts it may vary from others.
I created a new pool for members to vote about this... By the way, I voted for "Not sure"  

[krishnaverma]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!
Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  

Question is whether you have the attitude to learn and then the consistency to deliver quality posts?  If yes, you are on your way to join the remaining 0.1 % .

[TMAN]

Yet another negatively biased post about the merit system. This solves nothing, just get onboard and try being a next level poster..

3 days in and you want people to vote on how hard it will be? You want to say that 99%+ won't level up.

How about waiting for a month? Trying to be an excellent poster??

What is wrong with speaking my mind? This is just my thoughts it may vary from others.
I created a new pool for members to vote about this... By the way, I voted for "Not sure"  

What's wrong is that it is attention whoring if you want my honest opinion bud, a different level of no substance shitposting.

[shushanika]

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

That is good for the forum and the main purpose of introducing this new system.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

Some good posts might get ignored. But a quality contributor (one making all good posts) will get noticed sooner or later.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Someone solved this for you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833350.0

[TMAN]

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

That is good for the forum and the main purpose of introducing this new system.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

Some good posts might get ignored. But a quality contributor (one making all good posts) will get noticed sooner or later.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Someone solved this for you https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2833350.0

Helpful and positive post from a newbie.. you get a couple of merits for that bud..

keep it up

[MissionPhailed]

Noticed this new system today. As a fan of the Black Mirror series I'm really diggin' the name: 'merits'.

But seriously: a quick glance at the Meta section of BCT already learns that this new system is very effective in regards to reducing shitposting to level up. Lots and lots of threads with complaints about merits. So yes, members can certainly level up if they are genuinly interested in the world of cryptocurrencies without earning via signature campaigns as the main goal.

[TMAN]

Noticed this new system today. As a fan of the Black Mirror series I'm really diggin' the name: 'merits'.

But seriously: a quick glance at the Meta section of BCT already learns that this new system is very effective in regards to reducing shitposting to level up. Lots and lots of threads with complaints about merits. So yes, members can certainly level up if they are genuinly interested in the world of cryptocurrencies without earning via signature campaigns as the main goal.

Great to see another hero member speaking up for the system even though you now have to get 500 merits to go legendary. I have kicked you a couple to start the ride bud

[digaran]

The ugliest reality, no matter how good you are posting, if somebody doesn't like you, you can never get any merits from them. if you don't have enough Bitcoins, you have no incentive to post what is considered worthy of getting merits.
If you could be an average poster and earn money, you don't need merits. but if you had to pay something in order to post with a signature, forum could have hired more moderators to moderate existing members.

[Funky_Yoda]

Of course they can. Sure it might take work, but that's good. Good thing are worth waiting for. If you are positive in the community and post useful information then you will most likely be honored. If you don't rank up then maybe you don't deserve to. A good self evaluation might help you.

[TMAN]

Of course they can. Sure it might take work, but that's good. Good thing are worth waiting for. If you are positive in the community and post useful information then you will most likely be honored. If you don't rank up then maybe you don't deserve to. A good self evaluation might help you.

I had to give you more merits for this... that's it now go impress someone else bud.. 3 more merits till you level up fella

[Jet Cash]

I expect exceptional posters will have no problem at all achieving their ranks very fast. Good posters will probably get there pretty quick. Mediocre/average users will very likely take quite a while and shitposters will take a very long time if ever. If that all happens as stated then the system will be working as intended. If you're not getting many merit points then the problem will be with your posts but if you keep making quality posts then you'll likely be recognised for such over time but this system isn't meant so every shitposter can quickly rank up just by making some generic half-assed posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=toptopics

It seems that posting about Bitcoin and the Bitcoin economy has no merit any more.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I disagree, I got 10 sMerit points already which are needed for a Newbie/Jr. Member to become a Member am I one of this 0.1%. If you contribute to the community sure you can rank up. Well, I need 80 more points for a Full Member, but I like helping people and I think they will appreciate what I do. I was a newbie just 3 months ago, and here I am, learning and enjoying my time here.
Don't blame the system, blame yourself. And do respect Satoshi and the early adopters, because of them we have more freedom.

[krishnaverma]

Just little more time and this forum gonna change to merittalk.org!!

Checked on GoDaddy and it is still available:

Yes! Your domain is available. Buy it before someone else does.
merittalk.org
₹ 1,339.00*
₹ 299.00

On a serious note, people will get used to the system with time and stop making so many threads about merit system.

[hilariousetc]

I expect exceptional posters will have no problem at all achieving their ranks very fast. Good posters will probably get there pretty quick. Mediocre/average users will very likely take quite a while and shitposters will take a very long time if ever. If that all happens as stated then the system will be working as intended. If you're not getting many merit points then the problem will be with your posts but if you keep making quality posts then you'll likely be recognised for such over time but this system isn't meant so every shitposter can quickly rank up just by making some generic half-assed posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=toptopics

It seems that posting about Bitcoin and the Bitcoin economy has no merit any more.

Give it time. There's not much decent discussion going on in bitcointalk these days as it's been taken over by shitposters and their generic spam threads but hopefully that will change now once they realise posting in them is largely worthless.

[goyal.dkg]

i am confused on this system whether it is good or bad .
so want to give time to this system and lets see results after 1-2 months .

[NutMasterTardd]

Is that really a bad thing? The main reason people are trying to rank up so quickly is so they paid more for signature campaigns. I think this will actually reduce the amount of shitposts on Bitcointalk, so I am behind it 100%.

[exus]

I think everyone can have a chance to rank up; when I read about the new merit system my first thought was "ok, gg, I'll never reach the next rank".. my second thought was "ok, let's try and put some effort on my next posts, let's try to give something to this forum"
I made few posts and I got rewarded; as long as people keep sending sMerits I think it's definitely possible, a lot harder but still possible

[TMAN]

I think everyone can have a chance to rank up; when I read about the new merit system my first thought was "ok, gg, I'll never reach the next rank".. my second thought was "ok, let's try and put some effort on my next posts, let's try to give something to this forum"
I made few posts and I got rewarded; as long as people keep sending sMerits I think it's definitely possible, a lot harder but still possible

couple more for you fella.. you only need 10 more now!

[CondemnedForces]

couple more for you fella.. you only need 10 more now!

Ahh I see, so this is the type of quality posts the merit system is bringing us. Really great! Just reminds me of the posts/threads where people talk about their favourite color or if they believe in aliens. A comment like yours is nothing but pure spam.

[PeRo]

It is a good idea- to keep the non quality posters from ranking up, but you are right, many people wont even bother sending merits even if the user deserves it. I'm happy that I have already ranked up to Hero before the system started 

[samcrypto]

The chance to rank up are always be here but its now depend on the quality of your work. Its hard at first specially if your purpose is just to get a higher rank for a higher profit but if you realize you can learn so many things over time, that you can use when you are much prepared for the future. Don’t focus on making money, just enjoy sharing your thoughts and you’ll be paid off for that.

[Wind_FURY]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

Good! It should be that way. Do you want a group of Legendaries spamming the forum?

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

But if a person is really joining the forum to learn and meet new friends, is there really a need for them to get merits?

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Because there is no great content persuasive enough to make be give my merits. It is not laziness

[francojon]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

My main concern is "the ugly". Sources cannot read every post and the rest of the members will not necessarily reward quality... They may trade merit or give it only to other uses they know etc... For the system to work, all users should have the improvement of quality in mind and I don´t think that´s safe to assume.

[machinek20]

The good : Members will level up if they got a good quality posters, but it is going to take extra time especially if you are almost level up and then the merit system come up, but good quality poster will eventually level up
The bad : If you think your post is good there are people in the service section that offered service to review your post quality and going to give you merit if he think that your post worth it
The ugly : People need some time to adapt with new system, if they are lazy to click its mean you dont do a good quality or helpful post

Conclusion : appreciate the new system and see how it goes, you cant expect a good result from new system in few days, give it a try and if the system is not good there will be evaluation from Theymos

[superjeyy]

I do understand how you feel and how it can be frustrating to gain those merits, but after seeing many users improve and be rewarded, I had hopes that no matter how hard it would be, people would sooner or later recognize you if you truly give an effort in posting. I hope that someday you and the others who are having a hard time accepting the merit system would try to see the good in it and try to adapt so that  we can all move forward and be better members of this forum.

[Wind_FURY]

I do understand how you feel and how it can be frustrating to gain those merits, but after seeing many users improve and be rewarded, I had hopes that no matter how hard it would be, people would sooner or later recognize you if you truly give an effort in posting.

Can you give examples of these "improved" posts? I still see the same shitposts. Plus I believe most of them are not here to learn about Bitcoin.

I hope that someday you and the others who are having a hard time accepting the merit system would try to see the good in it and try to adapt so that  we can all move forward and be better members of this forum.

I hope all of them spammers leave. That would encourage the old Bitcoiners to come back in the forum, making it a place of learning again.

[Meraki]

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

Well you cant force somebody to merit your post even though it is good just wait patiently and someone will merit you one day.

Another thing can we just post normally like before merit system is not a big deal because it is only a requirement to rank up, Rank doesn't matter if you really care about the forum, what really matter is you shared your knowledge about crypto and you also gained knowledge here.

I do understand how you feel and how it can be frustrating to gain those merits, but after seeing many users improve and be rewarded, I had hopes that no matter how hard it would be, people would sooner or later recognize you if you truly give an effort in posting.

Can you give examples of these "improved" posts? I still see the same shitposts. Plus I believe most of them are not here to learn about Bitcoin.

I hope that someday you and the others who are having a hard time accepting the merit system would try to see the good in it and try to adapt so that  we can all move forward and be better members of this forum.

I hope all of them spammers leave. That would encourage the old Bitcoiners to come back in the forum, making it a place of learning again.

It is okay if you still see shit post out there, they wont get merit of out them and eventually they will be stuck at their current rank and will be fed up to join signature campaign. Time will come and those spammer will be lessen and this forum will regain its place as a place of learning about cryptocurrency.

[cybersofts]

couple more for you fella.. you only need 10 more now!

Ahh I see, so this is the type of quality posts the merit system is bringing us. Really great! Just reminds me of the posts/threads where people talk about their favourite color or if they believe in aliens. A comment like yours is nothing but pure spam.

LOL Tell him the truth. We are still going head-to-head we need more people to work this out.
It is very funny to see only Legendary members are happy with the new merit system. Why?
Perhaps, they never have to work for the new merit system

[thd26bct]

The fact is, you will be upgraded if you write posts which are both good and contributive. Those posts which get attention of users will bring merits to you. Of course, not all of them will ready to give you merits, but it's ok. Don't worry too much about merits. Please focus on your postal quality first. Good news will come for your efforts.

[cryptoatomic]

It is possible for the jr.members to achieve 10merits so they can rank up to a member.But from member you will need 100merits so thats the start of our nightmare.I believe theymos will adjust it after a month or two if he sees people are having a hard time to rank up.

[cmmhbct]

It is possible for the jr.members to achieve 10merits so they can rank up to a member.But from member you will need 100merits so thats the start of our nightmare.I believe theymos will adjust it after a month or two if he sees people are having a hard time to rank up.

It's almost the same case of ranking from Jr. Member to Member, but a little bit harder. I don't think it will be a problem.

The problem for your case and most of users in the forum is, the merit system launched when they almost reach target minimum activities to be ranked up to their next level. That's the problem, that one makes them sad. I also think that Theymos should adjust allocated merits based on activities at that moment, not on users rank, that's fairer allocating that way.

However, over time, the problem will dissapear, new users who join the forum after today will have enough time to contribute good posts and collect minimum merits.

Good luck. Let's contribute to the forum possitively!

[nhamoitruonghoc]

I think everyone can have a chance to rank up; when I read about the new merit system my first thought was "ok, gg, I'll never reach the next rank".. my second thought was "ok, let's try and put some effort on my next posts, let's try to give something to this forum"
I made few posts and I got rewarded; as long as people keep sending sMerits I think it's definitely possible, a lot harder but still possible

That's it. That's the way Merits and sMerits circulate in the merit system, right? With the new system, users might feel hard, just a little bit difficult, to be ranked up, but it is really possible.

Old users seems to feel dissapointed simply and partially because the system launched at the wrong time, at least for their specific cases. However, new users don't care about the time, right? They will start from all zeros, including zero post, zero activity, zero merit score. They have so much time to collect enough activities, merits for themselves.

Let's adapt to merit system.

[Vod]

Let's adapt to merit system.

I have a feeling the entire community will, except for US members.   

[zlatan07]

The new system of rank up needs some time, to see how it will achieve desired results. We all know that some members want to achieve higher ranks in short period of time with spammy posts. Now some of the users will stop to do that and they will try to make more constructive posts.
It will be hard for us to rank up but it will be extra harder for shitposters to rank up to.

[prince05]

I really have no problem with the new system, this encourages us to think more, and to participate more with other people in the forum and soon enough we will get our merits. I just hope that admins will at least decrease the number of merits needed to level up, I guess increments of 20 merits will be fine enough as long as there is only a limit of 1 merit you can receive for like a day or so. The merit system now is somewhat biased though as a person who has a lot of merits can give out 50 merits in one post rather than distributing it to others with such good posts as well, so I guess a limit of 1 merit per person per day would be fair enough. The receiver of the merit is only limited to receive 1 merit per person who merits his post so if he could get 100 persons who likes his post for that day then that is an instant 100 merits for him.

[ilcapitano]

I really have no problem with the new system, this encourages us to think more, and to participate more with other people in the forum and soon enough we will get our merits. I just hope that admins will at least decrease the number of merits needed to level up, I guess increments of 20 merits will be fine enough as long as there is only a limit of 1 merit you can receive for like a day or so. The merit system now is somewhat biased though as a person who has a lot of merits can give out 50 merits in one post rather than distributing it to others with such good posts as well, so I guess a limit of 1 merit per person per day would be fair enough. The receiver of the merit is only limited to receive 1 merit per person who merits his post so if he could get 100 persons who likes his post for that day then that is an instant 100 merits for him.

I dont think limit on merits per person per day is a good, appropriate choice. That should depends on the level of quality of each post and, of course, generosity of each merit senders. Let's everything work naturally, human will manage the merit system automatically.

[prince05]

I really have no problem with the new system, this encourages us to think more, and to participate more with other people in the forum and soon enough we will get our merits. I just hope that admins will at least decrease the number of merits needed to level up, I guess increments of 20 merits will be fine enough as long as there is only a limit of 1 merit you can receive for like a day or so. The merit system now is somewhat biased though as a person who has a lot of merits can give out 50 merits in one post rather than distributing it to others with such good posts as well, so I guess a limit of 1 merit per person per day would be fair enough. The receiver of the merit is only limited to receive 1 merit per person who merits his post so if he could get 100 persons who likes his post for that day then that is an instant 100 merits for him.

I dont think limit on merits per person per day is a good, appropriate choice. That should depends on the level of quality of each post and, of course, generosity of each merit senders. Let's everything work naturally, human will manage the merit system automatically.

limit of merits per day will add extra proofing on the system so that people would not game on the system. There are a lot of people giving out 20 or more merits but if you read the post it is not that good to be merited 20 merits, Rather than giving it to a single person why not spread it to others with also good post. Your generosity is not determined by the number of merits you give to one single person but the number of persons who are thankful for the merit you gave them even if it is only 1 merit, that is already more than enough to let them know that they did great on their post.

[green_fish]

I agree with you. In fact, there are only a few legendary members in BBS who welcome the new system because they don't need to upgrade!

[cramcram21]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

I think that the merit system is also have its ups and downs for example: We all need to post a quality topic or answers to the topics to gain a merit,
And the negative side is there are some users who would surely going to abuse this system.
There would surely be some users who would sell their smerits.

[iphmp159]

I think that the merit system is also have its ups and downs for example: We all need to post a quality topic or answers to the topics to gain a merit,
And the negative side is there are some users who would surely going to abuse this system.
There would surely be some users who would sell their smerits.

For your interest, let's discuss and give Theymos more ideas on merit system related to user ranking.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2841364.msg29143413#msg29143413

[prince05]

limit of merits per day will add extra proofing on the system so that people would not game on the system. There are a lot of people giving out 20 or more merits but if you read the post it is not that good to be merited 20 merits, Rather than giving it to a single person why not spread it to others with also good post. Your generosity is not determined by the number of merits you give to one single person but the number of persons who are thankful for the merit you gave them even if it is only 1 merit, that is already more than enough to let them know that they did great on their post.

Is this what you meant?

Everyone now in the forum specially low ranked users has only one target : how can I get free merit points , I have the solution for you :
1- improve your writing style
2- try to read posts before relying so you don't repeat something already said
3- improve your English or just stay in your local board
4- try to avoid participating in signature campaigns because this is the big issue in this forum and the reason of the low quality posts nowadays
If you're here to make money then there is millions of opportunities and ideas in this forum that should help you , not only signature campaigns .
Anyway I advice you to forget about getting something free here , every thing has a price , even this post has a price , his price is my time .  

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I also notice that your topic got 50 sMerits from someone. That's really strange. Your topic is good, but not good or high-qualitied enough which deserved to get 50 sMerits from only one user.[/b][/size][/font][/color]

This is an example, but i am talking in general. I am not pointing fingers to who has given merits and how many they gave. Yes maybe they are just being generous, but com'on there are a lot of people still posting good stuff here but have not been merited. He could at least spread out those merits, than giving it to one person. For me one merit is enough to appreciate a post. If you do like the content of the post you can at least give one merit then spread the rest of the merits to other good posts. That is why this system is really prone to gaming. I am not against of the merits system. I am just worried on how the merits are going to be allocated and spread out.

[pablito1989]

Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

[TMAN]

Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

Dude everyone senior here wants a cleaner and more valuable forum. Members with sMerit pass them on as its pointless them just sitting in our balances.

your point is flawed bud

[jtipt]

I expect exceptional posters will have no problem at all achieving their ranks very fast. Good posters will probably get there pretty quick. Mediocre/average users will very likely take quite a while and shitposters will take a very long time if ever. If that all happens as stated then the system will be working as intended. If you're not getting many merit points then the problem will be with your posts but if you keep making quality posts then you'll likely be recognised for such over time but this system isn't meant so every shitposter can quickly rank up just by making some generic half-assed posts.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;stats=toptopics

It seems that posting about Bitcoin and the Bitcoin economy has no merit any more.

Exactly, if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion forum or the economics forum there is hardly any merit given there. Ok I agree most of the topics there are spam mega threads, but there are few good ones but even those aren't receiving any merits.

[Jet Cash]

Exactly, if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion forum or the economics forum there is hardly any merit given there. Ok I agree most of the topics there are spam mega threads, but there are few good ones but even those aren't receiving any merits.

Or you could look at the serious discussion boards. Very little spam, but no signatures and not many merit points. That's a barometer for the current board climate.

[KennyR]

In my thought the new merit system will make users give better quality posting. Probably merit system won't affect the ranking of the users.

[bob3772]

i am confused on this system whether it is good or bad .
so want to give time to this system and lets see results after 1-2 months .

With anything new it is always necessary to give it time. Theymos has already said things aren't working exactly as intended and that he's going to keep making changes until he's happy with things. I think the main thing will be having more merit sources or them having a larger amount of merits. To suggest it's impossible to rank up is simply not correct however, those people who contribute and write constructive posts will be able to rank up, however it may be slower than before. Realistically what seems like the large majority of forum users should not be ranking up because they do not contribute anything.

[pablito1989]

Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

Dude everyone senior here wants a cleaner and more valuable forum. Members with sMerit pass them on as its pointless them just sitting in our balances.

your point is flawed bud

Meh... I don't think my point is flawed.
1) Older users could not login for some weeks and do not distribuite their points
2) Older users could think "well, my rank is "exclusive", so why should I help others to reach me?"
3) Older users could easier forgot to distribuite their points

[GeorgeFeb]

Children's games!

[jtipt]

Exactly, if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion forum or the economics forum there is hardly any merit given there. Ok I agree most of the topics there are spam mega threads, but there are few good ones but even those aren't receiving any merits.

Or you could look at the serious discussion boards. Very little spam, but no signatures and not many merit points. That's a barometer for the current board climate.

Yeah it's like you get merits for posting something related to merits. Look at Lutpin he got over 1000 merits for just answering to all the questions in main merit thread.

[TMAN]

Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

Dude everyone senior here wants a cleaner and more valuable forum. Members with sMerit pass them on as its pointless them just sitting in our balances.

your point is flawed bud

Meh... I don't think my point is flawed.
1) Older users could not login for some weeks and do not distribuite their points
2) Older users could think "well, my rank is "exclusive", so why should I help others to reach me?"
3) Older users could easier forgot to distribuite their points

1) few weeks. So what
2) then merits will decay and be distributed to more sources
3) same as above

Stop being so negative and try to embrace the system, if not you are only going to piss yourself off

[athanz88]

Exactly, if you just look at the Bitcoin discussion forum or the economics forum there is hardly any merit given there. Ok I agree most of the topics there are spam mega threads, but there are few good ones but even those aren't receiving any merits.

Or you could look at the serious discussion boards. Very little spam, but no signatures and not many merit points. That's a barometer for the current board climate.

Yeah it's like you get merits for posting something related to merits. Look at Lutpin he got over 1000 merits for just answering to all the questions in main merit thread.

Lutpin got over than 1000 merits? wow are you sure?? You should first check that on this link :

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=520313

You can add that point and see if that counts to 1000++ . And i am 100% sure it is not up to 1000 merit points.
The reason why he got 1600++ because theymos decided to make account with minimal activity point in range of legendary member has 1000 merit, which he didnt got at first (he got 500 at first), theymos decided and patched it after for all hero member account that has potential activity to be legendary member rank. Please read and dont talk without a data, it will make you sounds stupid and full of hate toward someone.
I am not kissing lutpin's ass, im correcting you from your fault, your hate, and your pessimistic about this system.

[jtipt]

I am not kissing lutpin's ass, im correcting you from your fault, your hate, and your pessimistic about this system.

Ahem.. Firstly I don't hate Lutpin or the merit system, he deserved all the merit that he got. I was just giving his example that all the merit he got is from the replies he gave in the merit thread.

You can add that point and see if that counts to 1000++ . And i am 100% sure it is not up to 1000 merit points.
The reason why he got 1600++ because theymos decided to make account with minimal activity point in range of legendary member has 1000 merit, which he didnt got at first (he got 500 at first), theymos decided and patched it after for all hero member account that has potential activity to be legendary member rank. Please read and dont talk without a data, it will make you sounds stupid and full of hate toward someone.

Well, I didn't knew about that. So its not 1000+ merit, it's still 500+ that's still a lot.
As I said I was just trying to point out he got most of merit from his replies in the merit thread.
I agree I might have been a bit wrong about the facts but you don't need to get so angry about it.
I am just trying to point out that people are giving merit only to the posts which are related to merits rather than other 'quality' posts.

[TMAN]

I am not kissing lutpin's ass, im correcting you from your fault, your hate, and your pessimistic about this system.

Ahem.. Firstly I don't hate Lutpin or the merit system, he deserved all the merit that he got. I was just giving his example that all the merit he got is from the replies he gave in the merit thread.

You can add that point and see if that counts to 1000++ . And i am 100% sure it is not up to 1000 merit points.
The reason why he got 1600++ because theymos decided to make account with minimal activity point in range of legendary member has 1000 merit, which he didnt got at first (he got 500 at first), theymos decided and patched it after for all hero member account that has potential activity to be legendary member rank. Please read and dont talk without a data, it will make you sounds stupid and full of hate toward someone.

Well, I didn't knew about that. So its not 1000+ merit, it's still 500+ that's still a lot.
As I said I was just trying to point out he got most of merit from his replies in the merit thread.
I agree I might have been a bit wrong about the facts but you don't need to get so angry about it.
I am just trying to point out that people are giving merit only to the posts which are related to merits rather than other 'quality' posts.

Dude check your own merit, now 14 activity is the max achievable in 14 days.. so in less than a week you have earned more merit than activity. Keep that up and this will have almost no effect on you

[athanz88]

I am not kissing lutpin's ass, im correcting you from your fault, your hate, and your pessimistic about this system.

Ahem.. Firstly I don't hate Lutpin or the merit system, he deserved all the merit that he got. I was just giving his example that all the merit he got is from the replies he gave in the merit thread.

You can add that point and see if that counts to 1000++ . And i am 100% sure it is not up to 1000 merit points.
The reason why he got 1600++ because theymos decided to make account with minimal activity point in range of legendary member has 1000 merit, which he didnt got at first (he got 500 at first), theymos decided and patched it after for all hero member account that has potential activity to be legendary member rank. Please read and dont talk without a data, it will make you sounds stupid and full of hate toward someone.

Well, I didn't knew about that. So its not 1000+ merit, it's still 500+ that's still a lot.
As I said I was just trying to point out he got most of merit from his replies in the merit thread.
I agree I might have been a bit wrong about the facts but you don't need to get so angry about it.
I am just trying to point out that people are giving merit only to the posts which are related to merits rather than other 'quality' posts.

1. Okay, then it is my fault to said you were like that, I'm sorry. But it is better if you asking rather than giving your own conclusion to public about something.
2. It is indeed a lot of merit points, but looking from his track record and is a famous member, it will be easy for him/her to gain merits. It is just like famous people in real world, they can earn something easier than normal people. So become famous is one of strategy to gain merits.
3. It is a new system and have only been running for 1 week, and that thread is the "hot topic" right now, of course people gather there especially high rank members, i guess we need more time for the system to be running perfectly.

[Nikkolodeon]

I think they will rank up eventually as long as they keep posting quality posts although it will be rough and will take too much time. But the problem is, no matter how quality post it is, it will not always get a merit, sometimes they will just ignore your post or sometimes they wanted to give merit but they don't have enough smerits. But this cannot stop low quality posts, some people will just keep posting and posting as long as they got enough merits. But this is for the better forum. I know that they just add up the merit system for good.

[Photographer]

I was initially very skeptical about the way the merit system would be implemented, even though something like this was clearly needed, but as time goes by I'm starting to think it could eventually work, but only if there will be enough sources of merit wandering around the forum.

[xvids]

All of the members could still rank up they just have to prove that they are worth it,
They just have to prove that they aren't one of those spammer's who are just spamming nonsense in this forum.
And I think if their comment,thread or post is really informative or helpful there would be a forum member that would surely give them a merit.

[logosobscura]

All of the members could still rank up they just have to prove that they are worth it,
They just have to prove that they aren't one of those spammer's who are just spamming nonsense in this forum.
And I think if their comment,thread or post is really informative or helpful there would be a forum member that would surely give them a merit.

If the mechanic was more graceful than it is, sure- but from a UI perspective, it's actually a lot of effort to award merit, and that means it's likely to only be used for merit farming- essentially a digital circlejerk probably coordinated on Telegram channels.

I don't think it solves the problem it's trying to address, and may actually make it worse. I get the need to lessen administrative burden (and I totally agree with that, it's becoming a bit of a shitshow for them), but I actually think this might have the opposite effect. If they'd opened the proposal to public scrutiny (say as a Request for Comments), this would have been a lot smoother and likely would look and function a lot differently. Instead, it's now become technical debt that'll be hard to redesign effectively.

[jtipt]

I am not kissing lutpin's ass, im correcting you from your fault, your hate, and your pessimistic about this system.

Ahem.. Firstly I don't hate Lutpin or the merit system, he deserved all the merit that he got. I was just giving his example that all the merit he got is from the replies he gave in the merit thread.

You can add that point and see if that counts to 1000++ . And i am 100% sure it is not up to 1000 merit points.
The reason why he got 1600++ because theymos decided to make account with minimal activity point in range of legendary member has 1000 merit, which he didnt got at first (he got 500 at first), theymos decided and patched it after for all hero member account that has potential activity to be legendary member rank. Please read and dont talk without a data, it will make you sounds stupid and full of hate toward someone.

Well, I didn't knew about that. So its not 1000+ merit, it's still 500+ that's still a lot.
As I said I was just trying to point out he got most of merit from his replies in the merit thread.
I agree I might have been a bit wrong about the facts but you don't need to get so angry about it.
I am just trying to point out that people are giving merit only to the posts which are related to merits rather than other 'quality' posts.

Dude check your own merit, now 14 activity is the max achievable in 14 days.. so in less than a week you have earned more merit than activity. Keep that up and this will have almost no effect on you

Yeah I am not worried about ranking, eventually I'll become legendary that's why I voted yes in the poll. I was only saying that merits are not being given to a lot of posts that deserve it in the other other sections of the forum, at least for now this is the situation. But its not even been a week since the implementation of this system so I hope this will change soon.

[Flying Hellfish]

If they'd opened the proposal to public scrutiny (say as a Request for Comments), this would have been a lot smoother and likely would look and function a lot differently.

Did we see you in this thread? Or did you only care about it when it affected your sig campaign goals?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2605767.msg26517436#msg26517436

[ducdr]

All of the members could still rank up they just have to prove that they are worth it,
They just have to prove that they aren't one of those spammer's who are just spamming nonsense in this forum.
And I think if their comment,thread or post is really informative or helpful there would be a forum member that would surely give them a merit.

For receiving merits, briefly, I think there are several important points that lower-ranked users should remember in their heads before writing threads:

1. Don't plagiarise (because it violates the 33th rule of the forum, https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=703657.0)
2. Don't spamming with low-quality, non-sense, off-topic threads
3. Don't too much offended or defended (posts should be as neutral as possisble)
4. Don't try to spread FUDs around the forum (will be permanently banned by admin or moderators).

5. Write good, high-quality, on-topic, useful, meaningful threads/ topics (which are constructive, solving-problem posts).
6. Write in good-quality English grammar and vocabularies (which don't lead to unexpected misunderstandings).
7. Write posts with clear, transparent evidences (links attached if mention about other topics, figures, images of technical issuses, etc.)

Of course, there are more tips new users should follow, practice, and use them when they write. These one are only some of them in a nutshell.

I strongly believe in the merit system and its possitive, massive impacts on the forum's users, particulary new ones.

[izanagi narukami]

For what I can see that most people here are looking for bounty especially Newbie ~ full member.
And as my experience , their post quality mostly do not deserve any merit and most merit will be distribute between higher rank member or old member that still exist and contribute.

~Only the time will answer

[hilariousetc]

I think they will rank up eventually as long as they keep posting quality posts although it will be rough and will take too much time. But the problem is, no matter how quality post it is, it will not always get a merit, sometimes they will just ignore your post or sometimes they wanted to give merit but they don't have enough smerits.

Then just keep going. If you're making quality posts then as you say you will get the merit eventually but you're also contributing to make the forum a better place in the meantime. Anyone posting just for the merit means their heart isn't really in the right place and all they truly care about is ranking up just to earn more but people shouldn't have a problem with actually making good/great posts as this is what you should be doing anyway but people got lazy/greedy at the ease they were able to earn from campaigns.

But this cannot stop low quality posts, some people will just keep posting and posting as long as they got enough merits. But this is for the better forum. I know that they just add up the merit system for good.

It wont stop low quality posts but low quality posters will get nowhere very fast. The second solution we need to implement now is punishments for those campaign managers that don't do their job properly and pay anyone regardless of quality because once many people do get their rank and enough merit their post quality will likely drop if they now don't need to put much effort in to get paid. If campaign managers only accepted and paid for quality posts as opposed to any old shitposter currently then the forum would be a much different place than it is now. In fact, if campaign managers just did their job in the first place then we wouldn't have even needed this merit system to begin with.

I was initially very skeptical about the way the merit system would be implemented, even though something like this was clearly needed, but as time goes by I'm starting to think it could eventually work, but only if there will be enough sources of merit wandering around the forum.

More merit source can and will be easily added so this isn't really a problem.

[lhfly2018]

The first time to see a sr member talking about the negative impacts of merit system.
I really appreciate it.

I always see new members cry about the merit system but older members think highly of it. I think those old people support the system just because they will get profit from it, not because they are responsible.

[TheNewAnon135246]

The first time to see a sr member talking about the negative impacts of merit system.
I really appreciate it.

I always see new members cry about the merit system but older members think highly of it. I think those old people support the system just because they will get profit from it, not because they are responsible.

Maybe that is because new members are looking to rank up fast so they can join signature campaigns. I don't see how I would 'get profit' from the merit system, besides that it will likely result in a better overall post quality on the forum.

[TMAN]

The first time to see a sr member talking about the negative impacts of merit system.
I really appreciate it.

I always see new members cry about the merit system but older members think highly of it. I think those old people support the system just because they will get profit from it, not because they are responsible.

Maybe that is because new members are looking to rank up fast so they can join signature campaigns. I don't see how I would 'get profit' from the merit system, besides that it will likely result in a better overall post quality on the forum.

we profit by having more time... as we have to trawl through less Pajeet shit posts.. over time if we did a time and motion study based on BTC price v hours spent on forum v shitposts read v non shitposts... it would be an interesting study - actually  I will give out 5 merits for anyone who can work out the formula for me.

[TheNewAnon135246]

The first time to see a sr member talking about the negative impacts of merit system.
I really appreciate it.

I always see new members cry about the merit system but older members think highly of it. I think those old people support the system just because they will get profit from it, not because they are responsible.

Maybe that is because new members are looking to rank up fast so they can join signature campaigns. I don't see how I would 'get profit' from the merit system, besides that it will likely result in a better overall post quality on the forum.

we profit by having more time... as we have to trawl through less Pajeet shit posts.. over time if we did a time and motion study based on BTC price v hours spent on forum v shitposts read v non shitposts... it would be an interesting study - actually  I will give out 5 merits for anyone who can work out the formula for me.

η (inefficiency) = (pajeet posts/quality posts) x 100.

Let's say a topic has 80 posts, out of which 20 are low quality.

η = (20/80) x 100 = 25% time loss reading pajeet posts.

[TMAN]

The first time to see a sr member talking about the negative impacts of merit system.
I really appreciate it.

I always see new members cry about the merit system but older members think highly of it. I think those old people support the system just because they will get profit from it, not because they are responsible.

Maybe that is because new members are looking to rank up fast so they can join signature campaigns. I don't see how I would 'get profit' from the merit system, besides that it will likely result in a better overall post quality on the forum.

we profit by having more time... as we have to trawl through less Pajeet shit posts.. over time if we did a time and motion study based on BTC price v hours spent on forum v shitposts read v non shitposts... it would be an interesting study - actually  I will give out 5 merits for anyone who can work out the formula for me.

η (inefficiency) = (pajeet posts/quality posts) x 100.

Let's say a topic has 80 posts, out of which 20 are low quality.

η = (20/80) x 100 = 25% time loss reading pajeet posts.

Thanks for that..  shame it wasn't a lower ranked member who came up with that.

[99th]

I find it funny how the hero and legendary members defend the system they got so easily grandfathered in to. The funniest part is that they have yet to score 1 merit on top of what they were gifted. Heh.

And by score I mean earn it, not get it by trading merit with your buddies.

[TMAN]

I find it funny how the hero and legendary members defend the system they got so easily grandfathered in to. The funniest part is that they have yet to score 1 merit on top of what they were gifted. Heh.

And by score I mean earn it, not get it by trading merit with your buddies.

What I find funny is people like you who just bitch and moan.. Embrace the new system, look for people who are handing out merits to those that deserve them.. I have had a shit ton of merits from people I have not interacted with before because I have been positive and upbeat about it and tried to assist others.

Negativity is a horrible trait in life, it will bring you down and fuck you up..  As the song says "always look on the bright side of life"

[klaaas]

its a way to express how a person thinks about a post.
Since its needed to lvl up, its not really usefull that Legendary members receive merrit. They only will receive more to give away.
Yes, getting to the next rank will be tuff.

[mikeey89]

I didn't like the merit when it got activated just a few days before I would reach my new rank, but even I see the benefits of it. A lot of people just posts small effort comments to try ranking up ad fast as they can, and farming multiple accounts at the same time. With this new merit system that will be very time consuming and maybe they give up. If they do not give up, we will anyway see more quality comments from them and other users.

Merit will make this forum a better place with more quality posts, and I also think the discussions will be a lot better than earlier.

[ducdr]

~
Anyone posting just for the merit means their heart isn't really in the right place and all they truly care about is ranking up just to earn more but people shouldn't have a problem with actually making good/great posts as this is what you should be doing anyway but people got lazy/greedy at the ease they were able to earn from campaigns.
~
The second solution we need to implement now is punishments for those campaign managers that don't do their job properly and pay anyone regardless of quality because once many people do get their rank and enough merit their post quality will likely drop if they now don't need to put much effort in to get paid.
~

I really like your two main points on negative side of merit system. Several early days after its launch, users who really need more merits to be ranked up will put efforts to be ranked up, utmost for those whose progresses delayed by the merit system. After that, what will happen next? They will lose their motivations, shitty-posts will come out for sure. That's your worthy point.

Additionally, as I have asked myself so many times, that whether the merit system will change higher-ranked users, like Sr. Members, Heroes, Ledgendaries to be a worse one than they ever been. To clarify, the system seems to give them rights to judge others, specifically those at lower-ranks. The free right they got will probably makes them more imperious, ruder, etc. I think part of those users will change to that negative way. It's not good, and not fair with lower-users.

[actmyname]

I really like your two main points on negative side of merit system. Several early days after its launch, users who really need more merits to be ranked up will put efforts to be ranked up, utmost for those whose progresses delayed by the merit system. After that, what will happen next? They will lose their motivations, shitty-posts will come out for sure. That's your worthy point.

If they have to be continually motivated to create posts that aren't spam then do you really want these types of individuals on your forum anyway? After all, they don't really want to contribute anything to it. They just want to get their pennies.

To clarify, the system seems to give them rights to judge others, specifically those at lower-ranks.

No. That may be to begin with, as the sMerit distribution favors the higher-ranked users (regardless of their contributions, so it may be a bell curve that's centered more closely around a spammier side) however as time continues you'll find that the amount of sMerit that the high-ranked users have will decrease. Then eventually sources will be distributing merit to other users and we might see some trickle-down.

The free right they got will probably makes them more imperious, ruder, etc. I think part of those users will change to that negative way. It's not good, and not fair with lower-users.

More time on the forum means more experience. This should correlate with the users:
a) deserving the merit
b) being able to fairly distribute the merit

Of course, this is not completely true as we do have some high-ranked users that are pretty worthless but as a general statement, I think there's some merit to it.

[P2Pfinder]

I  really can not understand all this concern for merit trust. I do not see a problem the fact that in two years I will still be a full member, or maybe there will be others who will still be junior. What is the need to rise in rank quickly? The merit is an appropriate solution to counter the shitposter that infest this forum and any appropriate solution to increase the quality of posts must always be welcomed positively.

[Tatzky]

We can rank up soon, after a year perhaps. Then after that, if no one give me merit after creating quality posts, then I'll take another alternative to gather them. Don't ask me how hahaha I won't tell you anyway.

[tiggytomb]

We will need to see how it works out in a few months to truly see if it is improving or making things worse, it is a welcome addition to the site as I was wondering a while ago what more could be done especially when you reach the top ranks there isn't anywhere else to rank up to, this obviously still remains the same but it is nice to have Merits which can change.

[arallmuus]

What is the need to rise in rank quickly?

Some people want higher rank ( more pennies from signature campaign )

We can rank up soon, after a year perhaps. Then after that, if no one give me merit after creating quality posts, then I'll take another alternative to gather them. Don't ask me how hahaha I won't tell you anyway.

If you break it down, you totally can see that you only need 1 merit / day on average to rank up. It wont be hard if you post daily

[Cazemiro]

Of course, now is really difficult to climbing rank position! but is the difficult for everyone, and a lot of will give up. The forum will have more quality content, let's go to adapt!
In my opinion, only the transaction should was different, the merit points should be proporcional to your present rank, with more fraction for rank.

[Tambu]

Lets wait then in a couple of months. too early to whine for the new system.  Some whining already just like want to eat the cake when not yet bake.

[The Cryptoclast]

This is the first impression that you get from the new system, but I think that this is not true. Lower ranks don't need so many merits to rank up, and if they do quality posts they are likely to get them. Of course, the merit system may slow down their rank climbing, but I don't see this as a problem.
This is however more true for members who are already middle-high ranked and are now close to their next rank. They have spent months or years to gain their activity points and now suddenly they are now missing the equivalent merit points, which will take them other months or years to gain. This is the aspect of the reform which should still be fine-tuned.

[veleten]

Why a Legendary member should "lose time" to give Merit Points to anyone else?
This is the main reason that will make this new system fail.

it is not about losing time,me,for example,I don't mind meriting posts that I find helpful,ineresting or humorous
there is no point for me to sit on my merit,I have no need for it other than to mark the posts and the posters that I think are contributing to the forum,making it better
for lower ranked members who have to level up,this is a valuable resource
for higher ranked members like legendaries it is something you don't have to sweat over too much
with time,when the hype subsides and the system shows its pluses and minuses,I'm sure we will see tweaks and adjustments by theymos
after all the main idea is not to make the life harder for the new members but to encourage them to be more creative and have more substance in their posts

[Photographer]

Guys, we must realize that this system of merit MUST work, one way or another, otherwise the possibility of wearing signatures for campaigns will have to be removed to save this forum from drowning in the rising tsunami of nonsense shitposting. Therefore instead of complaining let's start to think at possible ways to improve it, since it probably need some improvement. Let's thing at something, in a constructive way, all of us.

[mobilazy]

One thing missed. I'm not lazy, I just don't have sMerit to encourage good posters. I spend one and now I need to write a quality post which probably will be skipped or recognized by replying "thank you" because a person doesn't have sMerits in return. Some Legendary and Hero members trying to help new members, but most just send sMerits to each other rising their pride and keeping bounty money to themselves.

[shushanika]

One thing missed. I'm not lazy, I just don't have sMerit to encourage good posters. I spend one and now I need to write a quality post which probably will be skipped or recognized by replying "thank you" because a person doesn't have sMerits in return. Some Legendary and Hero members trying to help new members, but most just send sMerits to each other rising their pride and keeping bounty money to themselves.

With that attitude you will not go ahead. It is not to put a label on all senior members. Also, do you think senior members have all the merit points ? They got more merit points by default (and smerits as well) but that is temporary. That will be gone in a month or so. Merit sources have most of the merits to give and you should expect them to be impartial as they are hired by admin.

[Vod]

I find it funny how the hero and legendary members defend the system they got so easily grandfathered in to. The funniest part is that they have yet to score 1 merit on top of what they were gifted. Heh.

And by score I mean earn it, not get it by trading merit with your buddies.

I haven't traded any merit.  You can review my Merit at anytime - I am spreading it out to many users.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=merit;u=30747

Do you see any kind of pattern?  Recognize any buddy trends?

[rin992014]

I think this is a hot issue right now .. And this problem always has questions and answers that I still can not see

[Jet Cash]

I find it funny how the hero and legendary members defend the system they got so easily grandfathered in to. The funniest part is that they have yet to score 1 merit on top of what they were gifted. Heh.

And by score I mean earn it, not get it by trading merit with your buddies.

That's pretty insulting, but I understand why you made the post, you seem to spend all your time in the Alt section. Out here in the real Bitcoin world, that isn't true.

btw - I put you on ignore.

[solosequenosenada]

I do not like the new system of merits and I will not give any argument against, I have not come to that.
What I can assure you is that the system does not work if its usefulness is to have more quality content, at least in the local section of Spanish which is where I participate the most. I still see spam and post without quality, so the measure of the smerit has not been deterrent for spammers and yet has been detrimental to several.
We can provide quality content that nobody gives you smerit, maybe because they do not have I do not know but I was missing a couple of post to be hero when this new system of merit arrived, yuhu!

[DU18]

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

That's exactly i want.Also everyone wants except few scammers or account farmer's.
 

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

I don't think so.If you make quality posts on mega thread like 100+ page, no body will see that.So that won't help you to earn merit.You have to post on serious topic to gain merits.

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks   

IMO is it's a wise decision from thymos.We should accept it and keep going.We are here just not for earning merits and rank up.We better focus on learning crypto currency and making wonderful career.
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And lastly, I will suggest you to stop making these useless thread.You won't get merit for this kind of stupid thread.

[lockept93]

But the fact is 99.9% of the users only want to rank up cause it could bring more money. But bitcointalk is a forum and a community and people should ranked up for good content. At least it's also better for campaign manager to reach only the good content writer and less spamming newbies with fast growing accs.

I hope soon there will be not so many "Whats this merit?" or "I want rank up but merit stops me!" threads anymore.


Think about, real new users come now and don't know how "easy" the old system was to rank up. The new system is the first they lern and they don't will cry cause they didn't got in touch with the old system.

So in the end, all people that cry now are only here to earn money and maybe have multiple accounts and spam around sensless only to gain posts and ranks.

If you don't be like this - take it as challenge! Go for legendary now - if you got it, you deserve it!  



PS: GIMME MERIT PLS I NEED 1337 !

[macchiato]

The new merit system just slows down the process of ranking up. For me, it was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. It was a regulation that was too perfect that not all people can practice. As of now, I am seeing that it is not useful 99% of the time because not all quality posts are given credits. And besides, can we take note that we all judge posts differently? This is why I don't think it is a fair fight for lower rank members.

[evdokimo]

I am up for the challenge. Ready to work for the remaining 0.1 % and I am new here so have a lot of time.

[LogitechMouse]

To be honest when I see this new merit system and what it can gives the community, I see it as a good thing although I put into my mind also that I will be a full member for a long time (about a year or 2) or maybe forever. Yes maybe its true that 99.9% of the members here will never rank up again like me but if this is the only solution to remove shitposters here who are posting just shitty posts in order to rank up then let it be.

Because of this reality, maybe one time I will see a member rank with more than 1000 activities.

[superjeyy]

Let's say that your statistics are right, that only 0.1% of the totality of the members would be the only ones who would rank up while the rest would remain with their ranks, so what? Why is ranking up so important? Is it because of the big pay? Ranking up should be the least of anyone's concern if their intention in this forum is genuine and that is to learn, educate, and help one another when it comes to dealing with cryptocurrency. If one does not receive merit even though they are doing a great job in being constructive, then they should not feel bad about it because at the end of the day, merit is just a recognition. What matters is you're being a responsible member of this forum. The merit should just be a bonus, other than that one should remember that posting something interesting or informative is a duty, spamming is not.

[vina humaidah]

I hope this is just your joke alone .. I personally feel that merit pumping the members of this forum to widen their horizons with the aim of being able to make a post useful for other members ... With this merit we can find more info

[finaleshot2016]

For me, This system is okay since it allows users to have a creative idea that can be helpful to other members. You need to put an effort to things to be rewarded and get an achievement. This system aims to dissolve all the shitposts in this forum, shitposts makes the forum dirty! Other people are just thinking about their income that they will receive in here and not thinking the posts they will create.

Another thing is, change your mindset about the forum. We are here for exchanging informations not for making ranks up. We should change our intention in here, let's widen our minds for the sake of this community. I admit it, i started on shitposts but after realizing that this is a great opportunity for each of us, I give importance on my account and create topics that is helpful without asking in return.

[Schultz88]

The merit system implemented by moderator has a good effect for now and the future, they will get rid off shitposters and brought quality post in this forum. Personally sometimes I got tired reading comments that have low quality and I got bored, especially in local forum. Myself is struggling to gain merit, I have tried to make a good post that might give information and benefit to other members, but I haven't got any merit...that's okay. I will strive to get merit, I believe I am in that 0.1% members.

[atrocityx]

Its gonna be a grind but what can you do?  Systems often don't really benefit the masses but benefit the most patient and hard working.  Just take it one post a time, leading to one merit a day and over time the situation will play itself out to your favor.. its better than people mass farming accounts and taking all of the things you were looking to do from you anyways 10 or 20 fold at a time.   When I first joined I didn't even want to participate because of all the spam and when re-looked today for the first time in a long time its almost 99% gone.... so here I am.

[hilariousetc]

Why is ranking up so important? Is it because of the big pay? Ranking up should be the least of anyone's concern if their intention in this forum is genuine and that is to learn, educate, and help one another when it comes to dealing with cryptocurrency.

Let's not kid ourselves: This forum being a sanctuary to intelligently discuss bitcoin became second fiddle long ago. Now the majority of people who sign up here do so just because they see it as a source of income and nothing more. The merit system will at least force these users to contribute something worthwhile but when the majority of users signing up here have little to zero knowledge of bitcoin and/or can't articulate themselves in English very well this makes their chances of being able to rank up very slim so that's why they're so concerned.

[cybersofts]

Let's say that your statistics are right, that only 0.1% of the totality of the members would be the only ones who would rank up while the rest would remain with their ranks, so what? Why is ranking up so important? Is it because of the big pay? Ranking up should be the least of anyone's concern if their intention in this forum is genuine and that is to learn, educate, and help one another when it comes to dealing with cryptocurrency. If one does not receive merit even though they are doing a great job in being constructive, then they should not feel bad about it because, at the end of the day, merit is just a recognition. What matters is you're being a responsible member of this forum. The merit should just be a bonus, other than that one should remember that posting something interesting or informative is a duty, spamming is not.

+2 merits added! This is so far the best reply I got.
But the problem is everybody wants to rank up over time whether for the big pay or the title and the merit system is just on the way
Keep it on @SuperJeyy

[devormity]

Yes it may be for some people this merit system feels heavy to raise the level, but try to show the quality of the individual to make a quality post, then the progress is also to be more mature again in the future and can be recognized. by other members Because everyone is created intelligently with all his abilities.

[pugman]

Let's not kid ourselves: This forum being a sanctuary to intelligently discuss bitcoin became second fiddle long ago. Now the majority of people who sign up here do so just because they see it as a source of income and nothing more. The merit system will at least force these users to contribute something worthwhile but when the majority of users signing up here have little to zero knowledge of bitcoin and/or can't articulate themselves in English very well this makes their chances of being able to rank up very slim so that's why they're so concerned.

Oh,don't worry it doesn't end here. People not only see this forum as a source of income,they even advertise and make videos of how to earn by posting in Bitcointalk.
Here are some links:-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v5-SaZWm88o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTWCmNYLvRU
Obviously,it doesn't end here,there's much more. People post such things in reddit,steemit,and so on..
@hilariousetc,is posting such videos outside the forum even allowed,because AFAIK nothing about it is mentioned in the rule,guidelines,FAQ thread by mprep. And what are the thoughts by the moderation team/staff on this?We can only hope that the merit system would do any good to spammers and shitposters. We have only seen continuous whining and bitching by users. The fact that they won't be able to rank up can make things go either way: 1) Better. 2)  Worse.
The latter is more possible,past experience clearly justifies it.

[secondgarlic]

Let's say that your statistics are right, that only 0.1% of the totality of the members would be the only ones who would rank up while the rest would remain with their ranks, so what? Why is ranking up so important? Is it because of the big pay? Ranking up should be the least of anyone's concern if their intention in this forum is genuine and that is to learn, educate, and help one another when it comes to dealing with cryptocurrency. If one does not receive merit even though they are doing a great job in being constructive, then they should not feel bad about it because, at the end of the day, merit is just a recognition. What matters is you're being a responsible member of this forum. The merit should just be a bonus, other than that one should remember that posting something interesting or informative is a duty, spamming is not.

+2 merits added! This is so far the best reply I got.
But the problem is everybody wants to rank up over time whether for the big pay or the title and the merit system is just on the way
Keep it on @SuperJeyy

People wanting to rank up is not the problem, in my opinion.

Let's get a few things out of the way a priori:

1) Almost all of the users signing up here are in it for the bounty money, and not to learn more about crypto. There are far better resources for that on the internet.
2) Higher ranking members get paid more than lower ranking members.
3) Handing out (and receiving) merits is not an objective process, even if you write brilliant stuff in your every comment; if no one stumbles on it, or if people don't feel like giving merit, you will not get any.

As such, you can see why people are getting frustrated. If people write good content and do not receive any merit, it's like working your ass of at your job and not getting promoted. So what would the result of that be? You either quit (= a lower amount of quality content) or realize that the hard work you put in is not being recognized so you start not caring at all, because whatever you do, the amount of recognition you get and money you get paid remains the same (= filler comment after filler comment, which again leads to a lower amount of quality content overall).

Starting from the beginning, I have repeatedly said that the incentive system is not going to take off unless it is integrated into the user's experience on this forum. Currently, why should anyone give anyone merit? If you're giving merit, you are doing it out of goodwill, because you are a good person. But otherwise, the forum doesn't award you for handing out merits in any way.

People often make comparisons to reddit, which also employs a merit-like system in upvotes and downvotes. But upvoting a post on reddit means that I'm likelier to see that post at the top of the thread, which results in an improved reddit experience for all users; so users have an incentive to hand out merit, because it is beneficial for them as well. But we have nothing like that here.

To summarize my points:

1) People are here for money. Let's not kid ourselves, talking about knowledge, friendship, cotton candy and rainbows.
2) If people write good content and feel like they are not being rewarded for it, they will eventually stop producing quality content.
3) Unless the merit system becomes an integral part of the user's experience on this forum, it is not going to take off.

Sorry for the wall of text, and thanks to anyone who read this far. Cheers.

[shailkumari]

To summarize my points:

1) People are here for money. Let's not kid ourselves, talking about knowledge, friendship, cotton candy and rainbows.
2) If people write good content and feel like they are not being rewarded for it, they will eventually stop producing quality content.
3) Unless the merit system becomes an integral part of the user's experience on this forum, it is not going to take off.

Sorry for the wall of text, and thanks to anyone who read this far. Cheers.

1) Those people will now have to work hard for that money. Earlier it was quite easy as they just needed to post to gain activity. Opportunity is still there.

2) Agree to this. Especially moving from Member to above levels will be very hard to achieve. I think, we may see relaxations in future adjustments for this.

3) For any new system, it takes time. It is still quite new to give any verdict.

[lenovo16]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

Well in my own opinion , I think this new merit system was really quite dificult to everyone. Yet for me, is the best solution to clean up this forum. And to improve everyone post. Because you dont have any choice, if you really want to rank up , then you should improve your post and contribute to the forum. And its a good idea its really working.

[Jet Cash]

The merit system won't work on its own, but combine it with moderation that moves threads to the correct boards, and deletes or archives rubbish threads and boards, and it will revitalise the forum.

[Lauda]

74 spammers/account farmers voted no.

The merit system won't work on its own, but combine it with moderation that moves threads to the correct boards, and deletes or archives rubbish threads and boards, and it will revitalise the forum.

The current moderation, especially banning, is very inefficient and sometimes almost 'non-existent'. Simple reports of someone spamming the same off-topic content shouldn't take >24 hours to process.

[cbcbctqbt]

The new merit system just slows down the process of ranking up. For me, it was TOO GOOD TO BE TRUE. It was a regulation that was too perfect that not all people can practice. As of now, I am seeing that it is not useful 99% of the time because not all quality posts are given credits. And besides, can we take note that we all judge posts differently? This is why I don't think it is a fair fight for lower rank members.

Only users who are knowledgeable, eagerly to learn, helpful by heart will be ranked up with new ranking requirements.
Don't help others only or mainly because you need merits, help them because you simply want to help them

[GabrielPontello]

99% members (sorry I had to reduce the percentage a bit) will possibly never rank up with the new merit system just because at the moment there are so few sMerits in circulation. This is a matematical issue, no judgments of value of other aspects considered. Whenever theymos should consider appropriate to unlock the merit system he only would need to raise the input of new zMerits into the system. Like the injections of liquidity that Central Banks do in order to stimulate a stagnant economy. He can raise and/or lower the input at will, regulating it according to the effects it will produce. sMerit will then flow by itself, naturally. It will take time to find the perfect balance, but I see no problem at all. Why would someone NEED to be so anxious of ranking up in a forum? Just for the bounty money? People should take it easy. Just as life has to be taken easily.

[Ojengonggu]

I hope this is just your joke alone .. I personally feel that merit pumping the members of this forum to widen their horizons with the aim of being able to make a post useful for other members ... With this merit we can find more info

very true and with this system for beginners do not just pursue the activity by making a spam post on the topic or local page that many in gandrungi by beginners

[Tyrantt]

Because 70% of those 99% can barely write in proper enghlish. I'm not a grammar nazi but there are mistakes that are unforgivable. I'm not asking anyone to write as english is their native language but somewhat grammatically correct.

Spend some time in off-topic section, improve your english and lurk other topics. Writing one liners in btc general without any knowledge about the topic and just agreeing with the OP, won't get you merit.

[TheBeardedBaby]

I disagree, I got 10 sMerit points already which are needed for a Newbie/Jr. Member to become a Member am I one of this 0.1%. If you contribute to the community sure you can rank up. Well, I need 80 more points for a Full Member, but I like helping people and I think they will appreciate what I do. I was a newbie just 3 months ago, and here I am, learning and enjoying my time here.
Don't blame the system, blame yourself. And do respect Satoshi and the early adopters, because of them we have more freedom.

Just an update to the non-believers in the merit system. From 27 Jan til today, 13 Feb I got 51 Merit points and I'm just one average user here.So tell me again that it is not possible to rank-up. I still have 14 days to reach the needed activity points for Full Member and the missing 39 merits but I think it won't be a problem at all. I'll be very proud to rank-up because I have earn it this time. Now there is a new meaning in the ranking-up process, everyone could spam in the off topic section and rank-up with just activity, now game has changed and the feeling is great. Goodbye shitposters.
WYGIWYD

[monmoni]

I disagree, I got 10 sMerit points already which are needed for a Newbie/Jr. Member to become a Member am I one of this 0.1%. If you contribute to the community sure you can rank up. Well, I need 80 more points for a Full Member, but I like helping people and I think they will appreciate what I do. I was a newbie just 3 months ago, and here I am, learning and enjoying my time here.
Don't blame the system, blame yourself. And do respect Satoshi and the early adopters, because of them we have more freedom.

Just an update to the non-believers in the merit system. From 27 Jan til today, 13 Feb I got 51 Merit points and I'm just one average user here.So tell me again that it is not possible to rank-up. I still have 14 days to reach the needed activity points for Full Member and the missing 39 merits but I think it won't be a problem at all. I'll be very proud to rank-up because I have earn it this time. Now there is a new meaning in the ranking-up process, everyone could spam in the off topic section and rank-up with just activity, now game has changed and the feeling is great. Goodbye shitposters.
WYGIWYD

thanks dude for giving me spirit and encouragement...I believe that someday I deserve to get merit. I am not desperate as many peoples does, because I am here learning and if I could help other member, I will be satisfied. I believe that I am the 0.1% and I encourage to all new members here, to be positive and keep learning to be able contribute to the forum.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I'm just one average user here.

Right, but just looking at your post here, your command of the English language seems to be above average.  Most users at your level crank out shitposts exclusively, and the reason why they're shitposts is precisely because they don't speak English.  So I'm sure if you put just a little thought and effort into your posts, they'd be worth reading. 

But someone who can't write proper sentences in English won't write anything interesting because 1) the sentence structure will be broken, and 2) they won't have vocabulary sufficient to create an interesting post.  I have seen this hundreds, nay thousands(!) of times.  And in addition, they're usually too lazy to put any effort into what they're doing.  I agree with your sentiment, but I think it'll take some time before the shitposters get discouraged and give up.  But I'm patient.

[jpespa]

Well even I am getting envious of other members here receiving such merits BUT the fact that many members especially the Jr.members ranking up shows that the new system really effective.

Other members here who are just complaining about anything are obviously part of the 99.9% that may never rank up because of what they are doing. While they are just ranting and complaining about this system, other members are already leaving them behind because these people are trying to improve how they post instead of sulking about the system.

The new system is challenging but effective even I am trying to improve my post in response to every topic that I see. The only "small issue" that I observed is about the quality posts that are being overlooked or being ignored and other members who just ignores the system.

I just hope that all the members here will cooperate with everyone to make this forum become resourceful, productive, and successful.

[sparg]

I'm just one average user here.

Right, but just looking at your post here, your command of the English language seems to be above average.  Most users at your level crank out shitposts exclusively, and the reason why they're shitposts is precisely because they don't speak English.  So I'm sure if you put just a little thought and effort into your posts, they'd be worth reading. 

But someone who can't write proper sentences in English won't write anything interesting because 1) the sentence structure will be broken, and 2) they won't have vocabulary sufficient to create an interesting post.  I have seen this hundreds, nay thousands(!) of times.  And in addition, they're usually too lazy to put any effort into what they're doing.  I agree with your sentiment, but I think it'll take some time before the shitposters get discouraged and give up.  But I'm patient.

So basically, in your opinion, the merit sistem is just a way to grade users english skills. Dude you are a teacher or a crypto enthusiast?
Even so, i`v read that there are merit sources in every language subforum but apparently the one in Romanian sub think that there isnt any posts that deserve to be merited. And in this case you cant play the broken language card.

[romanovst]

Well even I am getting envious of other members here receiving such merits BUT the fact that many members especially the Jr.members ranking up shows that the new system really effective.

It is easier for a Jr Member to become a member because of two reasons:

1) They need only 10 points which can achieved with just 2-3 extremely well written posts.

2) Most of the senior members are giving preference to these members. You can see threads where members offered giveaways for new members only.

[longlivecapitalism]

For people like me who would like to go from Member to Full Member, it's virtually impossible. And that "make better posts" line they're feeding us is bullshit (pardon my french). I'd need a lifetime of good posts to achieve that because even when people make good posts, that doesn't guarantee that a member with sMerits will see them or that they will be willing to give them their points.

[hilariousetc]

I'm just one average user here.

Right, but just looking at your post here, your command of the English language seems to be above average.  Most users at your level crank out shitposts exclusively, and the reason why they're shitposts is precisely because they don't speak English.  So I'm sure if you put just a little thought and effort into your posts, they'd be worth reading. 

But someone who can't write proper sentences in English won't write anything interesting because 1) the sentence structure will be broken, and 2) they won't have vocabulary sufficient to create an interesting post.  I have seen this hundreds, nay thousands(!) of times.  And in addition, they're usually too lazy to put any effort into what they're doing.  I agree with your sentiment, but I think it'll take some time before the shitposters get discouraged and give up.  But I'm patient.

So basically, in your opinion, the merit sistem is just a way to grade users english skills. Dude you are a teacher or a crypto enthusiast?
Even so, i`v read that there are merit sources in every language subforum but apparently the one in Romanian sub think that there isnt any posts that deserve to be merited. And in this case you cant play the broken language card.

No, it's a way to grade quality posts that contribute something and for people just making lazy shitposts will fall by the wayside. Someone who can't speak English very well isn't going to be making great coherent posts and this is the reason why the forum became such a shitshow because it was swarmed by thousands of people who A) Can't speak English very well if at all, and B) Know little to nothing about bitcoin and are only here to earn, and those two factors are a recipe for disaster.

[mmhaimhai]

If we are all just discipline enough to post quality messages and avoid spamming just for the sake of activity count or reaching weekly quota for a sig camp then moderators won't need to implement such rule like merit system. Maybe they just get tired reviewing all post and delete shits around and banned members. When there are DTs who gives time giving neg trust and tagging spammers, there also been lots of complaints. If you have something you think more efficient than merit system why not suggest it?.

[mobilazy]

But someone who can't write proper sentences in English won't write anything interesting because 1) the sentence structure will be broken, and 2) they won't have vocabulary sufficient to create an interesting post.  I have seen this hundreds, nay thousands(!) of times.  And in addition, they're usually too lazy to put any effort into what they're doing.  I agree with your sentiment, but I think it'll take some time before the shitposters get discouraged and give up.  But I'm patient.

They simply could post in one of the local topics. This forum covers all the major languages. I write in English section with Grammarly extension turned on, which doesn't make my English good of course. But at least it can find some annoying typos and spelling errors. I see your point and think that laziness is the main reason here.

[Decoded]

Good? More than 99.9% of the community are spammers, shills or downright spastics who don't understand how Bitcoin works. Even a couple of high-profile people on bitcointalk. Idiots everywhere.

[lvincent]

For me the legitimacy framework works it trained the general population in this discussion it enables many individuals here to figure out how to compose a post that has quality so they won't simply present since they require to achieve their quota for their campaign and individuals here will going to begin valuing those post here that has the quality by giving them some merit despite the fact that it is a significant change I consider all us here can receive on this sort of framework

[sparg]

I like that most of you criticize all this shitspammers and i like the one whos says that 99 % of the forum is users who spam but at the same time you have sigs with advertise.
Do you know how advertise works?
The only reason some companies whant to promote theyr project here is because there is traffic.(the shitspammers included)
If 99% of the forum dissapears, companies will loose interest in this forum and will look for another way to promote theyr product.
And dont be hypocritical and say that you are here only to "bring something new to to bitcoin worl" as most of the ass kissers say because we all are in this game for the money. Otherwise start a charity organisation and look donate all the money there.

I dont want to be undestood wrong. I`m not in favor of spamming and i hate spam. If you see my post you could see that even before merits came i was promoting quality posts because i grew tired of people posting without even reading the OP post.
But i am disgust of people who ar againts those who whant to make a dolar and themself have the signature enroled in a campaign.

While the campaign managers will not take theyr job serious and only count posts that matters nothing will change.

[lucario21]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

Your Subject title was annoying, really 99.9% can you proved that? If you want to hear our thought with the new system maybe you should change the title first with subjective approach.

If your concern are those quality post that will not be recognized I think in marketplace there was a thread where they given a merit to those informative post just give them the link and they check it.

The objective of new system was for the benefit also of our members, it builds them to interact with more informative way, they might took a research first before they reply to the topic and with exchanging of informations all the members will gain on it.

[TheBeardedBaby]

~

I understand what you say but I disagree. In the beginning I came here find a way to get some satoshi from faucets, to play some dice and sh!t. But hey, things have changed. I was more and more interested to understand how actually blockchain works and what this thing - bitcoin was. Then I went deeper and I started a Blockchain course on edx.
I was mining bitcoin back in 2013 just for to test it, but I had no idea what I was doing that time.

I don't care anymore if there will be any sig campaign or bounty here. Yeah, collecting some coins it is fun and somehow exiting but this is not the only point I'm here. Not anymore. I'm here because I want to be the part of making the future, because blockchain technology is the future,it has many applications and many ways to develop. Now are the "dark ages" abusing the technology for profit/scamming/stealing but sooner or later the things will change. We are in the very begging and if I can be part of it and help with what I can I will be happy.

[bobrova]

I like that most of you criticize all this shitspammers and i like the one whos says that 99 % of the forum is users who spam but at the same time you have sigs with advertise.
Do you know how advertise works?

I agree to this. There is no problem in being here for signature campaign as long as you are following the forum rules. Some people try to say that they are not interested in these but still keep applying in different campaigns. It looks funny.

[MKH]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  

Lets come out form the forum and Think abut real life.

1.Think that your are an employ in a company. If you do not give your best service then why would they give you promotion to Higher rank?Likewise, if you do not post good quality and not work for peoples help, why would they rank you up?

2.Do everyone in the compay that you employ, do not even respect you, do not notice you, because of this, is your work or you, anyone stoped? No you are not. Similarly there is no need to think that you are not noticed by every one. you will get your receipt, just work hard.

3.Think you have done a good job, will every one in your company congrats or best wishes you for this? No,,, ther will be some who do not heade and gamble for this. There are a just few members here who will not want to encourage you in this work and many will have.


It is entirely my opinion, don't take it if you don't aggre.


Advance sorry for my bad english.

[lenovo16]

I'm just one average user here.

Right, but just looking at your post here, your command of the English language seems to be above average.  Most users at your level crank out shitposts exclusively, and the reason why they're shitposts is precisely because they don't speak English.  So I'm sure if you put just a little thought and effort into your posts, they'd be worth reading. 

But someone who can't write proper sentences in English won't write anything interesting because 1) the sentence structure will be broken, and 2) they won't have vocabulary sufficient to create an interesting post.  I have seen this hundreds, nay thousands(!) of times.  And in addition, they're usually too lazy to put any effort into what they're doing.  I agree with your sentiment, but I think it'll take some time before the shitposters get discouraged and give up.  But I'm patient.

So basically, in your opinion, the merit sistem is just a way to grade users english skills. Dude you are a teacher or a crypto enthusiast?
Even so, i`v read that there are merit sources in every language subforum but apparently the one in Romanian sub think that there isnt any posts that deserve to be merited. And in this case you cant play the broken language card.

No, it's a way to grade quality posts that contribute something and for people just making lazy shitposts will fall by the wayside. Someone who can't speak English very well isn't going to be making great coherent posts and this is the reason why the forum became such a shitshow because it was swarmed by thousands of people who A) Can't speak English very well if at all, and B) Know little to nothing about bitcoin and are only here to earn, and those two factors are a recipe for disaster.

So in other words, this merit system is not only to grade some quality post but also screen those people who can be promoted. Because only people who reach the number of designated merit was can be promoted. And I think its a good idea because only those who really contribute in the forum has a right to be promoted.

[Pancheng]

No, especially if we don't have any weekly event that we can earn and claim merits, and most likely there are 5-10% individuals who get negative trust because they are circulating their merits within their group, like workers, schoolmates, and group chats in FB haha.

I'm stuck with my rank because don't have someone to give merits to me and I don't want red mark because of begging, funny but some already started trying.

[hd49728]

I would like to choose both happy and sad.
1. Happy because merit system has motivated users to be more energetic, more constructive, in particular newcomers have tried composing higher quality posts, helping others. On the other hand, higher ranked users found them useful in terms of giving newcomers hints, links, documents to learn, advices to improve their knowledge, skills, etc. It is two-way interaction between them.
2. Sad mainly because merit abusements seem to be occured and discovered day by day, including merit trading, merit exchanging, etc. We can easily found low-quality or even one-line posts which received 20, 30, or 50 merits from one specific sender. It destroys the original objectives of merit system.

To conclude, I highly appreciate what Theymos have done to launch merit system and strongly believe in the system that it will help to clean up and build up the forum as better place for Bitcoin/Altcoins discussions.

Newcomers will definitely rank up if they spend more time to read, to learn, to share, to help each other. The more time they spend for each post, the higher (in most cases) quality post will get; which in turn increase writers' internal quality day by day. For long-term improvement like this, those ones will have more chances to earn merits from other users. Most importantly, don't be here simply for getting merits, for ranking up, and getting free money fastly; instead be here for those purposes mentioned above. Of course, newcomers can join campaigns and get rewards as bonuses, not as their main purpose to be here.

Good luck and rank up with continuous, high qualities, constructive threads.

[Toughit]

Just an update to the non-believers in the merit system. From 27 Jan til today, 13 Feb I got 51 Merit points and I'm just one average user here.So tell me again that it is not possible to rank-up. I still have 14 days to reach the needed activity points for Full Member and the missing 39 merits but I think it won't be a problem at all. I'll be very proud to rank-up because I have earn it this time. Now there is a new meaning in the ranking-up process, everyone could spam in the off topic section and rank-up with just activity, now game has changed and the feeling is great. Goodbye shitposters.
WYGIWYD

At least 47 of your received merit came from posts that have the word merit in the title  (yah, me to...)

It does not seem in the spirit of merit to be rewarded for discussing the problems of merit.

If you had 51 merit points in that time period from discussing Bit (or alt) coin topics, then I would be impressed.

[t3hpwnographer]

Just an update to the non-believers in the merit system. From 27 Jan til today, 13 Feb I got 51 Merit points and I'm just one average user here.So tell me again that it is not possible to rank-up. I still have 14 days to reach the needed activity points for Full Member and the missing 39 merits but I think it won't be a problem at all. I'll be very proud to rank-up because I have earn it this time. Now there is a new meaning in the ranking-up process, everyone could spam in the off topic section and rank-up with just activity, now game has changed and the feeling is great. Goodbye shitposters.
WYGIWYD

At least 47 of your received merit came from posts that have the word merit in the title  (yah, me to...)

It does not seem in the spirit of merit to be rewarded for discussing the problems of merit.

If you had 51 merit points in that time period from discussing Bit (or alt) coin topics, then I would be impressed.

From what I've seen, meta is the only forum where people are willing to give out merit. No one in the altcoin forums is willing to use it. I've made numerous posts that have gotten "thank you" replies, but no one has clicked the button yet. Then I come in here and I see people giving it out left and right just for sharing an opinion or being well known.

I dunno, I'm just extra salty because the system was put in to place like a week before I was supposed to rank up to full member so now I've got a lot more work to do to get there. Just need to find the right places to post I guess.

[krishnaverma]

From what I've seen, meta is the only forum where people are willing to give out merit. No one in the altcoin forums is willing to use it. I've made numerous posts that have gotten "thank you" replies, but no one has clicked the button yet. Then I come in here and I see people giving it out left and right just for sharing an opinion or being well known.

If you have observed this, then simple post quality posts in meta. All sections need quality content here. Also, there are a lot of users asking questions about the merit system. So, you should learn the latest developments related to merit system and update other members.

[holder99]

The system is very simple to distinguish between those who really care about cryptocurrencies and some speculators, so concerned about the forum to go longer.

[Jet Cash]

From what I've seen, meta is the only forum where people are willing to give out merit. No one in the altcoin forums is willing to use it. I've made numerous posts that have gotten "thank you" replies, but no one has clicked the button yet. Then I come in here and I see people giving it out left and right just for sharing an opinion or being well known.

I dunno, I'm just extra salty because the system was put in to place like a week before I was supposed to rank up to full member so now I've got a lot more work to do to get there. Just need to find the right places to post I guess.

I had a quick look at your recent post history, and most of it seems to have been on the alt boards. There are quite a few of us who don't visit those boards, and thus we don't award merit there.

[t3hpwnographer]

From what I've seen, meta is the only forum where people are willing to give out merit. No one in the altcoin forums is willing to use it. I've made numerous posts that have gotten "thank you" replies, but no one has clicked the button yet. Then I come in here and I see people giving it out left and right just for sharing an opinion or being well known.

I dunno, I'm just extra salty because the system was put in to place like a week before I was supposed to rank up to full member so now I've got a lot more work to do to get there. Just need to find the right places to post I guess.

I had a quick look at your recent post history, and most of it seems to have been on the alt boards. There are quite a few of us who don't visit those boards, and thus we don't award merit there.

Right, that's kinda my point. It seems like the system is very lopsided and promotes posting on just a couple boards. I get why some people don't visit the altcoin boards much; wading through piles of generic/spam posts to find any sort of quality content can get pretty tedious, though it is there. I just don't like the fact that the merit system directly affects the altcoin boards (mainly bounty participation) which is also where there is the least incentive to use it (you gain nothing from giving out merit, and helping someone else rank up could adversely affect your ability to get in to a bounty with limited spots or allow them to earn more tokens than you).

[Jet Cash]

I'm a Bitcoin user, and not a bounty hunter, so I don't care about those boards. In fact I hope they will be shut down so that we can have our forum back.

[topleskacah]

you are very right, not all good post will get merit.
because I think people are too stingy to give merit, they choose to hoard their merit until it becomes rotten.
here merit is given based on likes or dislikes, not about useless or useless.
I do not know, I can only obey this rule.

[Jet Cash]

Merits are not given out because most posts are crap. I ran a plagiarism check on one post by a newbie, and this is what I got.

[newfan]

what is the point of getting merits? i can still rank with activity no?

[Jet Cash]

You posted the correct answer - no.

Also you need to stop being lazy, and read some of the threads before posting. Have some consideration for the other members here.

[aurorabitcoin.96]

You posted the correct answer - no.

Also you need to stop being lazy, and read some of the threads before posting. Have some consideration for the other members here.

But, i have little doubt about this system. Pardon because it is Subjective Opinion
1. I agree that Merit can decrease and eliminate shitposter, that's make we think more to write post here.
2. Merit Requirements maybe need some adjustment, i think current Requirement is high. (Started from Member above)
3. Although you are Good-Quality Poster, sometimes Higher-Rank user can ignore you because "Oh, i dont have much time to check good-quality post one by one from thousand post".
4. And, the fact that People love send their merit(s) to Top-Tier Rank, because they might think Hero/Legendary has better post rather than Member/FullMember/Sr.Member.
Anyway, if you disagree or discuss something. Do it properly, No Rushing, No Offense. Thank you

[TheBeardedBaby]

At least 47 of your received merit came from posts that have the word merit in the title  (yah, me to...)

It does not seem in the spirit of merit to be rewarded for discussing the problems of merit.

If you had 51 merit points in that time period from discussing Bit (or alt) coin topics, then I would be impressed.

I see your point, this is true but you know why this is happening?
Because a big part of the community is not aware of the system yet. Many did't see the their merit scores at all, but when it comes a time to rank-up, then they start wondering what happens and rush to the Meta section to ask and read. When they find out, then they give some merit to test it and there, this is why the Meta is so popular these days.

This is why I suggested that everyone registered should be informed via PM about the new system in order to become more efficient in a shorter period of time.
But hey, this is my suggestion and ...who am I, just a newbie here. So we will see some development of the system soon as it becomes more and more accepted by the people.

[romanovst]

you are very right, not all good post will get merit.
because I think people are too stingy to give merit, they choose to hoard their merit until it becomes rotten.
here merit is given based on likes or dislikes, not about useless or useless.
I do not know, I can only obey this rule.

Some suggestions for you:

1) Just look at the way you formatted the answer. Even if you post something constructive, it will appear irritating with such a format.

2) You need to check the merit stats page, you will realize that daily hundreds of merits are being given to deserving members.

3) You may be right about members giving merits to posts they agree with. Admin stated that members should not do this but I think the system is new and we should give it some time before members get used to it. Also, do not forget that there are merit sources who are expected to be more responsible with sending merits.

[lenovo16]

I would like to choose both happy and sad.
1. Happy because merit system has motivated users to be more energetic, more constructive, in particular newcomers have tried composing higher quality posts, helping others. On the other hand, higher ranked users found them useful in terms of giving newcomers hints, links, documents to learn, advices to improve their knowledge, skills, etc. It is two-way interaction between them.
2. Sad mainly because merit abusements seem to be occured and discovered day by day, including merit trading, merit exchanging, etc. We can easily found low-quality or even one-line posts which received 20, 30, or 50 merits from one specific sender. It destroys the original objectives of merit system.

To conclude, I highly appreciate what Theymos have done to launch merit system and strongly believe in the system that it will help to clean up and build up the forum as better place for Bitcoin/Altcoins discussions.

Newcomers will definitely rank up if they spend more time to read, to learn, to share, to help each other. The more time they spend for each post, the higher (in most cases) quality post will get; which in turn increase writers' internal quality day by day. For long-term improvement like this, those ones will have more chances to earn merits from other users. Most importantly, don't be here simply for getting merits, for ranking up, and getting free money fastly; instead be here for those purposes mentioned above. Of course, newcomers can join campaigns and get rewards as bonuses, not as their main purpose to be here.

Good luck and rank up with continuous, high qualities, constructive threads.

Well definitely its nice to know that you already contributing to the improvement of the forum and not just here for the seek of money. This bitcoin forum is one of the major source of knowledge so its better if the post that we read are all quality and worth to spend time to read. So that , many of us will learn and shared our thoughts.

[lvt88]

Merits are not given out because most posts are crap. I ran a plagiarism check on one post by a newbie, and this is what I got.

http://cryptobounty.com/posting-images/plagiarism1.jpg

What is this, sir? Is it a software for checking plagiarism?

[UsernameBitcoin]

3) You may be right about members giving merits to posts they agree with. Admin stated that members should not do this but I think the system is new and we should give it some time before members get used to it. Also, do not forget that there are merit sources who are expected to be more responsible with sending merits.

You cannot change human behavior. People will give merits to opinion that they agree with.

This system will to an extent disadvantage unpopular opinions because those opinions will get less merit but it is also possible that some people give merits based on quality of the post and not just the opinion.

[katinko]

For me we do not need to look in complicated way this merit system instead we need to inspire ourself to be more productive and create more helpful post to help many member who have few knowledge in crypto currency.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

you are very right, not all good post will get merit.
because I think people are too stingy to give merit, they choose to hoard their merit until it becomes rotten.
here merit is given based on likes or dislikes, not about useless or useless.
I do not know, I can only obey this rule.

I can't speak for anyone else here, but I gave all my merit away--I have 1 sMerit left, and I just got that from someone. 

There are way too many members and too many posts, and most of them are just plain shitty, and merit is indeed scarce.  Most users on this forum who post in the main section can't speak English, and thus it doesn't matter whether they're on-topic and write 1000 character posts--they're not getting merit from me.  Most of the people I'm seeing complaining about this whole thing are the ones who can't write coherent sentences.  That leads me to believe that they probably can't read (and most likely wouldn't anyway), and that their ability to judge what is or isn't a quality post is seriously impaired. 

In most cases, I'd say that these shitposters wouldn't recognize a good post if it showed up in a bikini and swallowed their nuts whole.  So their bitching is baseless and useless.  I've added so many users to my ignore list in the past week, it'd ridiculous.

[StayFly]

The way I see it most guys come to this forum to learn about bitcoin without capital to invest in cryptocurrency and some how the signature campaigns are helping them make some bucks to make their investments. Now, the merit system is going to slow down their ranking speed and that is what is driving all this buzz. You guys should be grateful, it's a development to weed-out spammers and soon everyone will adopt the new system.

[GabrielPontello]

But someone who can't write proper sentences in English won't write anything interesting because 1) the sentence structure will be broken, and 2) they won't have vocabulary sufficient to create an interesting post.  I have seen this hundreds, nay thousands(!) of times.  And in addition, they're usually too lazy to put any effort into what they're doing.  I agree with your sentiment, but I think it'll take some time before the shitposters get discouraged and give up.  But I'm patient.

They don't even make the effort to get the title of their threads readable. And when they are readable it can be even worse.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. "Bitcoin to the moon" off the shoulder of Orion. I watched "Could bitcoin reach 100.000$ ?" glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those threads will be lost in entropy, like tears in rain. Time for merit.

[lukyanli]

They don't even make the effort to get the title of their threads readable. And when they are readable it can be even worse.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. "Bitcoin to the moon" off the shoulder of Orion. I watched "Could bitcoin reach 100.000$ ?" glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those threads will be lost in entropy, like tears in rain. Time for merit.

These posts may sound funny to experienced investors or people active on internet for long time. Most of the times, these posts are made by new members who just heard about bitcoins from somewhere and have no idea about how to invest money in bitcoins. They make threads like "Can I sell my house for bitcoins ?" which is impractical and laughable. These people are not a big concern for the forum as with time they get matured and stop making such posts. Merit system was introduced to fight against people intentionally posting spam here repeatedly.

[mtmonte]

The idea of having a merit system is definitely good - I believe it greatly reduces posting for the sake of ranking.  As a new member, however, it does make it VERY difficult to rank up.. although being a Jr. Member forever isn't the end of the world  .

[yojodojo21]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

I vote Yes. Nullius the smart Guy is Ready to the membership of Hero rank. This Guy is a Real Quality Poster.
Sad to say, I Myself is Supposed to be a Sr. Member But I accept the fact that without exact merit requirement for senior member "I Will not Rank Up".
The Good : Only Quality posters rank up because they have contributed some information's in this forum so that they  deserves to rank up.
The Bad: Quality contents, are and will be obvious if it is posted in the right section not on shitholes sections.
The Ugly: posting great content captures interest to be read.  why many people are lazy to check those Post that OP said that has a great content. it's because it's not interesting at all or not considered as contribution to the forum.

my thought about this merit system, is fair and square, the people who complains about this merit feature is only those who are after signature campaigns, (not to offend Just being real), and those who enjoy and work with their asses to get merits are the one who has initiative to work and do rather than begging, or complaining about this new feature.

Not to offend anybody Here, just stating my opinion.

[TheBeardedBaby]

If people are complaining then the system is working.
One way or another this forum is going in the right direction. If there's a rule to filter users without merit from joining any campaign / or remove the campaigns in general/, here will be just the perfect place to learn and develop yourself. Blockchain is the technology of the future

[kewlc3s]

Let be honest.. You are right. Mostly of users will never rank up.

I came to forum, to read and learn about crypto, then I found out, that there is a possibility to earn some crypto by simple tasks, I was shocked, especially about social media bounties. I joined almost 20 bounties in few days, and my rush was during 3-4 months.
After, I slowly finished or quit most bounties. Now just signature and blogs.

Of course is pity that I got really small chance to become hero member someday. Sr. Member I still hope someday 

But let´s just wait and we will see what merits will give to forum. I hope some positive changes will come

[The Sceptical Chymist]

But someone who can't write proper sentences in English won't write anything interesting because 1) the sentence structure will be broken, and 2) they won't have vocabulary sufficient to create an interesting post.  I have seen this hundreds, nay thousands(!) of times.  And in addition, they're usually too lazy to put any effort into what they're doing.  I agree with your sentiment, but I think it'll take some time before the shitposters get discouraged and give up.  But I'm patient.

They don't even make the effort to get the title of their threads readable. And when they are readable it can be even worse.
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. "Bitcoin to the moon" off the shoulder of Orion. I watched "Could bitcoin reach 100.000$ ?" glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate. All those threads will be lost in entropy, like tears in rain. Time for merit.

Entropy always wins.  Always.  But yeah, I'm hoping the merit system will be like the sun shining on all of us, providing enough energy to make things in the world of bitcointalk anti-entropic for at least a little while.

As for the titles, it drives me NUTS when I see a thread title in Bitcoin Discussion like "Bitcoin".  That's it, nothing else that would lead you to think that the thread is going to be anything other than a shitposter creating a shitpost-magnet thread for his alt accounts.  I've even reported a few of these for just that reason, but to no avail.  Thread titles should kind of be specific, that's my opinion, but these morons just don't care.  Nor do they have vocabulary enough to come up with anything interesting or creative.

[Jet Cash]

As for the titles, it drives me NUTS when I see a thread title in Bitcoin Discussion like "Bitcoin".  That's it, nothing else that would lead you to think that the thread is going to be anything other than a shitposter creating a shitpost-magnet thread for his alt accounts.  I've even reported a few of these for just that reason, but to no avail.  Thread titles should kind of be specific, that's my opinion, but these morons just don't care.  Nor do they have vocabulary enough to come up with anything interesting or creative.

Actually I find that quite handy. You know that the thread is going to be a load of tosh, so I don't bother to open it.

[MJK_Anfaenger]

I've just got one little niggle with the new system. I personally spend my smerit very conservatively, as I don't have much to give. So even if I see a post that I think deserves merit, more often than not I don't merit it, cause in the back of my mind I'm thinking "what if I run into an even better post and I don't have any left?". Or if I post a question and someone delivers a helpful answer, but I've already spent it all on something else. I don't know for sure, but I assume that the majority of users here are rather low-ranking? So maybe I'm not the only one feeling this way.

[cabalism13]

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

Well that's the real purpose of this system, to minimize those spammers and shitposters.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

Yeah, that maybe bad but still no need to rush on things right? Even if you reach a 2 or 3 months here just to rank up, so what's the problem? as long as you're enjoying your stay here then nothing to be worried about the rankings.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

As I have said, no need to rush on things, becauae there maybe quite some people who rarely does that but if you have a confidence on your work and as long as it hasn't been deleted then you still have your chance to earn that points.

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  

If you're/they're just here just to earn then I think finding a job in the reality would be better because in here you need patience before you earn. We have to be careful for what we're saying because a lot of people here are so sensitive and it maybe become the reason why you'll even get a bad feedback.

[gawer33]

even I know my posting skill is incompetent right now to get a merit. I still I believe everyone can rank up if I became knowledgeable enough I know from experience I can share/ help everyone. just keep reading and if you know a lot you can help alot.

[coloseum]

99.9% of spammers, account farmers can not rank up due to merit system and new rank requirements, not 99.9% of users in the forum.
That is why Theymos launch merit system. I love the system because of its magic impacts on forum future.

Spammers will get stucked, constructive users will rank up. Eventually, merit system will control spammers, reduce them over time. With the merit system, spammers seem to be wippen out of the forum because they will feel extremely hard to fight against new ranking requirements.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I've just got one little niggle with the new system. I personally spend my smerit very conservatively, as I don't have much to give. So even if I see a post that I think deserves merit, more often than not I don't merit it, cause in the back of my mind I'm thinking "what if I run into an even better post and I don't have any left?". Or if I post a question and someone delivers a helpful answer, but I've already spent it all on something else. I don't know for sure, but I assume that the majority of users here are rather low-ranking? So maybe I'm not the only one feeling this way.

I only had 4 sMerits to give, and I gave one to you because your post was pretty well written.  That's a huge factor in whether I'll give merit to a post.

As to what you wrote: I'd suggest just giving merit out fairly freely, even if you're going to be running out of sMerits, because you can always earn more, and someone else might merit the post that you end up not having enough for.  Don't let that stress you out.  Hundreds of good posts go unmerited daily and the world keeps spinning.

[MJK_Anfaenger]

I only had 4 sMerits to give, and I gave one to you because your post was pretty well written

Thank you, I appreciate it and I appreciate your feedback. Perhaps I'm overthinking things. If a legendary account's smerit can drop to almost zero, so can I. Cheers!

[hurry_hore]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

I think most of members are not giving merit because they do not know personally the poster even the posting is giving benefit to them and deserve a quality post. So rank up will be easier if post a good thing (I do not believe this quality classification because it is not objective) and know other members well. If a people do not know anyone in this forum, even he posts a top high class of quality posting then no merit will be given to that poster.

[Kim Ji Won]

99.9% of spammers,

That statistics tho. 
Well, it's good that they will never rank up with the merit system and if all campaign managers out there will also be strict in the merit requirement for participants in the signature campaign and not just accept all shitposters, this may well result in another chaos in the Meta but the good side of this is that they will be forced to up their posting quality a notch.

[dx_twisted]

Not really. The merit system does the job well by eliminating those who post solely to rank up (ie. account farmers) and those who post solely for signature campaigns. If you were to post quality content or content with sufficient value, then it would probably be merited. Merits doesn't have a use except to give them away so theres no use for us to keep them anyways, just spend it.

It was way too easy to rank up to encourage spam. If anything, merit system shouldn't go, no matter what. Obviously, if you were to post in a topic with thousands of replies, then the possibility of you being merited is low since your point has likely been echoed hundreds of times. Post constructively and I'm sure its not that hard to rank up.

I've been telling these to all of the forum members whom I personally know and keeps complaining about this merit system. No matter how hard it is to gain them, there is a way to obtain those rewards.

This site was been polluted by threads in the past who were basic (common) and keeps asking the same question where the answer is pretty obvious and already given. With the merit implementation, it was already been reduced by half.

Point is, forget about merits, stop ranting (to those who keeps complaining) as there's no way that the admins will remove it, just cope with the rule and create quality post with unique content.

[zaq130]

Not really. The merit system does the job well by eliminating those who post solely to rank up (ie. account farmers) and those who post solely for signature campaigns. If you were to post quality content or content with sufficient value, then it would probably be merited. Merits doesn't have a use except to give them away so theres no use for us to keep them anyways, just spend it.

It was way too easy to rank up to encourage spam. If anything, merit system shouldn't go, no matter what. Obviously, if you were to post in a topic with thousands of replies, then the possibility of you being merited is low since your point has likely been echoed hundreds of times. Post constructively and I'm sure its not that hard to rank up.

I've been telling these to all of the forum members whom I personally know and keeps complaining about this merit system. No matter how hard it is to gain them, there is a way to obtain those rewards.

This site was been polluted by threads in the past who were basic (common) and keeps asking the same question where the answer is pretty obvious and already given. With the merit implementation, it was already been reduced by half.

Point is, forget about merits, stop ranting (to those who keeps complaining) as there's no way that the admins will remove it, just cope with the rule and create quality post with unique content.

That is the opinion from a thread with many members.
In Japanese thread, there is no merit source, thus no one can get merit.

Of course, some of them can try to earn merit by writing in English, however many Japanese are not good in English and never write something in English.

I can agree with your opinion but for a local thread, we need a way to earn merit, without that many people are stop using this forum, especially those who only uses their own language. This forum is losing a diversity by merit system.

[fxstrike]

That is why there is a need of universal way to earn Merit other than based on English specific posting quality.

[DdmrDdmr]

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

Farming acounts aside, that is what it should be.

Quality does have different meanings depending on user perspective though. For some it's technical, for others funny, some see it as informational, other as a throrough splilling of opinion, and so on.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

That is true. It depends also on when you post,  where you post, the length of the thread, the language, etc. It's correlated also to where meriters are likely to be reading and what amount they have. Some local boards are scarce of merit givers and of the total amount they hold.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

I don´t see this being a general thing. What is true is that many people have low amounts of sMerit to give away and therefore, psychologically, take longer to give it away being it a scarce resouce.
Maybe sMerit should expire after a certain time as for example happens with loyalty points (or get transfered to a merit source so as not to lessen the circulating total amount).
 

It would be nice to have some global stats on number of users per rank that have managed to rank-up, broken down by the amount of time required, number of posts, sections involved, language, etc.

[NavI_027]

Despite of seeing lots of NOs in the poll you started, I'm not discouraged at all because I do believe that merit system intend to help us and improve the forum not to harm us. I know that almost all of us seems impossible to rank up but don't lose hope because someone does (I saw lately). If that someone could be able to rank up then for sure it's not impossible for us to do the same. Instead of complaining, let's just continue our good posting habits and be patiently waiting for the blessing that will come to us.

[tuanytcc]

Despite of seeing lots of NOs in the poll you started, I'm not discouraged at all because I do believe that merit system intend to help us and improve the forum not to harm us.

Nice words. Eventually, merit system will help the forum to control and probably stop the spamming endemic, which come from spammers, account farmers (which has changed to merit farmers), shitty posters, one-line posters.
Merit system and its mechanism help us (admin, moderators, merit-sourced users, and normal users) find account-farmers more easily. Next step is to apply forum rules (should be stricter) to ban them, and wipe them out.

[Tynovten_]

Until right now some people are still holding their sMERIT, i don't know what concern they have that they're holding it. And some comments are not seeing by the quality any longer. Say if you make thread and get amazing comments, why you don't give MERIT to them. And i think if the moderator give us MERIT if us have quality in our posts.

[zarados]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

How ironic is not it? there may be a possibility to level up for the newbie to the member level, but to climb to the next level is very difficult and takes time. It is true that you say, most people are just busy to comment on and are too stingy to donate merit, although there is, it is good to be given more than 1 merit, although they have a lot of sMerit.

[tbct_mt2]

How ironic is not it? there may be a possibility to level up for the newbie to the member level, but to climb to the next level is very difficult and takes time. It is true that you say, most people are just busy to comment on and are too stingy to donate merit, although there is, it is good to be given more than 1 merit, although they have a lot of sMerit.

Users should not ask for how many merits for each of their high-quality thread. Why?
1. They might subjectively think that their threads are high-quality, but in fact those threads might be actually low-quality. Therefore, those threads don't deserve to earn any merit.
2. In case of their threads are actually high-quality ones, they can not earn merit ore more than one. Why? It is due to the fact that one thread might be useful, helpful with one person, but it might not with others. Different users have different background of knowledge and have different problems.
How many merits they give you depends upon the level of satisfaction with your threads.

[knightmairesaint]

I strongly agree with this one. It seems that even how hard I exert my effort in making a good quality posts, I'm still ignored and rarely get merit from the others. Honestly, I'm less motivated right now to continue my account here because I suffer a lot from adapting this new system but i still choose to continue because I believe that the real loser is the one who surrender. What I always do to remove that negative thinking is I always convince myself that this point is not my limit and that I can do better.

A member here also inspired me to keep going, he is "hugeblack". He still could be able to rank up despite of the implementation of merit system, he only proved that nothing is a hindrance as long as you strive hard.

[TMAN]

Until right now some people are still holding their sMERIT, i don't know what concern they have that they're holding it. And some comments are not seeing by the quality any longer. Say if you make thread and get amazing comments, why you don't give MERIT to them. And i think if the moderator give us MERIT if us have quality in our posts.

sure some people are hoarding merits, but checking out this page of the thread everyone is posting coherent English and on 1st glance is not a moaning pajeet shitposter and each member has a few merits. So in time as sources are replenished the merits given to these posters will increase as the circulation increases - this may take 6 months or more, but in time the less "famous" posters will also see an increase in merits. No pain no gain and all of that Jazz

[athanz88]

Well i know it is hard, but it is not an impossible task. At first i i was being skeptical too with merit, but i just keep going and do my best. Here i am now, waiting for my activity to go up to Sr. Member rank, and if the data of OP is right, i maybe in the 0.1% of people who can rank up.

[tbct_mt2]

Well i know it is hard, but it is not an impossible task. At first i i was being skeptical too with merit, but i just keep going and do my best. Here i am now, waiting for my activity to go up to Sr. Member rank, and if the data of OP is right, i maybe in the 0.1% of people who can rank up.

Me too. I strongly believe in the merit system. With it, eventually constructive users will be ranked up to higher levels, and spammers will be consequently stucked at lower ranks, merit farmers / account farmers will be found and banned. Unconstructive users will be eliminated over time.
Due to merit system and new rank requirements, users need to be more constructive to move up which result in general higher quality of the forum threads/ topics.
With old ranking rules, users have to spend around 3 years to reach Ledgandary rank. I think 3-year-perod is long enough to earn 1000 merit points. It's obviously possible challenge.

[Papado]

It's very hard raiting up now.
This system should be slightly changed, for example, given to members with a high rank every month a few merits.

[Jet Cash]

I agree that it should be changed. I think there should be a restriction that any member who makes a post containing the word "merit" cannot be awarded a merit for seven days.

[tbct_mt2]

It's very hard raiting up now.
This system should be slightly changed, for example, given to members with a high rank every month a few merits.

This way, the changed merit system will go further away from its original purposes. It is harder to rank up due to merit system, even if you want to reach Ledgandary position. To reach there with old rank system, you will need about 3 years after creating new account. I don't think you can not earn 1000 merits during the long 3-year-period.
Shit posters can not get 1000 merits even if they have 100 years joined the forum. However, constructive users can earn those numbers of merits.

[cho99]

I thought this merit system and all the discussion about it was over from long time now but I guess I was wrong , I do understand the people farming accounts and working only for signature campaigns and bounties are very upset with this system , for those people I have only few words : just fuck off and leave this forum alone . This forum is for people who care only for bitcoin and cryptocurrency development , it is not for bounty hunters God damn it .

[tranthidung]

~ for those people I have only few words : just fuck off and leave this forum alone . This forum is for people who care only for bitcoin and cryptocurrency development , it is not for bounty hunters God damn it .

You too, you should leave the forum because you are merit beggars (50 merits for what a normal topic). Your merit history shows that you likely bought those 50 sMerits for ranking up. However, you seems to  try writing longer and longer threads in your last previous pages (I don't want to evaluate your post quality at all).
Constructive, useful users will certainly rank up with merit system's challenges.

[Saveplus]

Yes its hard but I am hardly trying to post a quality to have merits from others.We should follow the rules because it will help us in the future either posting constructive and high rank up.

[Azurewrath]

Yes its hard but I am hardly trying to post a quality to have merits from others.We should follow the rules because it will help us in the future either posting constructive and high rank up.

unfortunately, most people have little smerit and they hardly give to others, i think we may rise to Jr. member or Member, but its very hard to Full member and its impossible to Sr. member, we can just see those shitty hero/ legendary members to get huge rewards from this merit

[premiumproductss]

As a matter of facts, I see lots of quality posts here and 2-3% of the posts were merited. Also you should understand that merit is offered by people on their opinions about your opinion.

[TMAN]

As a matter of facts, I see lots of quality posts here and 2-3% of the posts were merited. Also you should understand that merit is offered by people on their opinions about your opinion.

2-3% ?  you do know that 93.2% of statistics are made up on the spot don't you?

post links to 20 quality un merited quotes then

[premiumproductss]

As a matter of facts, I see lots of quality posts here and 2-3% of the posts were merited. Also you should understand that merit is offered by people on their opinions about your opinion.

2-3% ?  you do know that 93.2% of statistics are made up on the spot don't you?

post links to 20 quality un merited quotes then

2-3% of the total posts and what? posts are made on spot, that's how it works, it is a discussion forum, we are posting opinions. NOT ARTICLES.

anyway i don't care about the rank but still

[TMAN]

As a matter of facts, I see lots of quality posts here and 2-3% of the posts were merited. Also you should understand that merit is offered by people on their opinions about your opinion.

2-3% ?  you do know that 93.2% of statistics are made up on the spot don't you?

post links to 20 quality un merited quotes then

2-3% of the total posts and what? posts are made on spot, that's how it works, it is a discussion forum, we are posting opinions. NOT ARTICLES.

anyway i don't care about the rank but still

you said only 2-3% of merit worthy posts are being merited, so prove it - if not you are just another shitposter spouting crap.

[tsoyens01]

Its hard to rank up now, not same before

[premiumproductss]

As a matter of facts, I see lots of quality posts here and 2-3% of the posts were merited. Also you should understand that merit is offered by people on their opinions about your opinion.

2-3% ?  you do know that 93.2% of statistics are made up on the spot don't you?

post links to 20 quality un merited quotes then

2-3% of the total posts and what? posts are made on spot, that's how it works, it is a discussion forum, we are posting opinions. NOT ARTICLES.

anyway i don't care about the rank but still

you said only 2-3% of merit worthy posts are being merited, so prove it - if not you are just another shitposter spouting crap.

Tbh, brains are awesome, i strongly recomend to try one time per year at least.

Indeed, I am a shitposter as you are spouting crap all over the universe. I am so happy to see that your replies to me were full of quality with way more seriousity.

Thank you.

[TMAN]

Tbh, brains are awesome, i strongly recomend to try one time per year at least.

Indeed, I am a shitposter as you are spouting crap all over the universe. I am so happy to see that your replies to me were full of quality with way more seriousity.

Thank you.

great - glad we can agree your posts are pointless. I mean what does seriousity even fucking mean?

liking that you have lots of merits as well, proof the system works fella!

[premiumproductss]

Tbh, brains are awesome, i strongly recomend to try one time per year at least.

Indeed, I am a shitposter as you are spouting crap all over the universe. I am so happy to see that your replies to me were full of quality with way more seriousity.

Thank you.

great - glad we can agree your posts are pointless. I mean what does seriousity even fucking mean?

liking that you have lots of merits as well, proof the system works fella!

you just won a merit! congrats!

[Talk merit]

This is what I love about the Internet. Here is a quote from the seriosity web site

At Seriosity, we’ve spent the last year building a new solution and team to take the science of workplace engagement beyond points, leaderboards, and badges. We’re focused on engagement in onboarding, training, customer service, employee communication, scheduling, compliance assessment and career advancement. And we’ve built our solution to be easily used by workers not connected to complex enterprise systems – the “undesked” in retail, hospitality, logistics, food service and groceries.

Seriosity - Early 16th century; earliest use found in Robert Henryson (d. c1490), poet. From post-classical Latin seriositas from seriosus + classical Latin -tās. Compare Middle French or French † sériosité. ( from the Oxford dictionary)

Don't you just love it when these words from 1490 surface in posts. Bitcoin Talk may be the cutting edge of crypto discussions, but it never forgets the handles.

[premiumproductss]

This is what I love about the Internet. Here is a quote from the seriosity web site

At Seriosity, we’ve spent the last year building a new solution and team to take the science of workplace engagement beyond points, leaderboards, and badges. We’re focused on engagement in onboarding, training, customer service, employee communication, scheduling, compliance assessment and career advancement. And we’ve built our solution to be easily used by workers not connected to complex enterprise systems – the “undesked” in retail, hospitality, logistics, food service and groceries.

Seriosity - Early 16th century; earliest use found in Robert Henryson (d. c1490), poet. From post-classical Latin seriositas from seriosus + classical Latin -tās. Compare Middle French or French † sériosité. ( from the Oxford dictionary)

Don't you just love it when these words from 1490 surface in posts. Bitcoin Talk may be the cutting edge of crypto discussions, but it never forgets the handles.

Interesting. I really do think that somehow the system will change. It just can't stay like this.

There should be other ways of finding who is a spammer

[bramgg.crypto]

I do understand why the merit system has been introduced, I really do. There are numerous times i was frustrated at reading some threads with so much shit posts you had to wheed through them. But let's be realistic, a lot of members are also just trying to post quality posts, but not all of us are journalists with the talent of writing article like posts. Some just want to say what's on their mind and be done with it.

Since the merit system was introduced I thought to myself, this is a good system to lower the total of bs posts. That's a good thing. However, I feel that the merit system hasn't been thought out really well. I'm trying to contribute and make some quality posts on here but ranking up to the next rank is almost impossible from my point of view. I'm still jr. member with 98 activity.. The merit system is introduced literally 2 days before I would rank up in the old system. That's been a frustration point for me.

I'd like to participate with a signature campaign (with a clickable link) but due to this merit system it has become a drag to rank up, even to member. Let alone the next rank.

I think it would have been better to introduce the merit system, but also 'earn' merit gradually. Like 1 merit per 2 weeks (activity update) or even 1 per month. This way new users wouldn't have the feeling that it is impossible to rank up. They have 2 options, write excellent quality posts and hoping for someone with enough sMerit and feeling generous to notice their posts or waiting a long time, or just both.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

you just won a merit! congrats!

You gave him 2 merits, just sayin'.

I don't quite get what you mean when you say there should be a better way to tell who's a spammer.  That's one of the most obvious things to me, and the easiest reason to see why bitcointalk is near unreadable at this point, easier even than discerning who's trying to scam or trade merit points.  As they say, spamming is like pornography--it's hard to define, exactly, but you know it when you see it.  In fact, we've been graciously provided an example, not only in this thread, but on this very page:

Its hard to rank up now, not same before

That's a shitpost, a piece of spam.  Created for who knows what reason; probably it's to gain activity or to get paid in a bounty.  I have not checked this user's signature space, and I have sigs and avatars blocked. 

Also, I probably would've given you a merit here, for the sole reason that you're making coherent arguments in English that's readily understandable.  Unfortunately I just handed out the last of my sMerits.  I owe you one.

[Talk merit]

>..<

I think your difficulty may stem from the fact that you appear to spend your time in the alt section, and you have said that you are here to earn from your signature. Many of the more established members want Bitcoin Talk to be an information and help exchange site, and also as a place to relax and talk about cryptos and the emerging economies. Posts from members who are attempting to display their signatures in return for payment, and pay scant regard to the thread topic, or the content of their posts, make it difficult for the more serious members to enjoy the forum. You need to distance yourself from the alts, and pay more attention to Bitcoin in my opinion.

[Inzanne]

The new merit system is a bright idea , and only worthy people who have what it takes to publish qualified posts will level up , and the people who keeps complaining about this merit system have only one excuse: the merit system is holding them back from climing to Higher ranks and they are not getting the merit that they don't desserve.
I have an advice for them make your posts better and you ll get recognized and you ll get rewarded by the merit you deserve, you will also get promoted to Higher positions.

[premiumproductss]

you just won a merit! congrats!

You gave him 2 merits, just sayin'.

I don't quite get what you mean when you say there should be a better way to tell who's a spammer.  That's one of the most obvious things to me, and the easiest reason to see why bitcointalk is near unreadable at this point, easier even than discerning who's trying to scam or trade merit points.  As they say, spamming is like pornography--it's hard to define, exactly, but you know it when you see it.  In fact, we've been graciously provided an example, not only in this thread, but on this very page:

Its hard to rank up now, not same before

That's a shitpost, a piece of spam.  Created for who knows what reason; probably it's to gain activity or to get paid in a bounty.  I have not checked this user's signature space, and I have sigs and avatars blocked. 

Also, I probably would've given you a merit here, for the sole reason that you're making coherent arguments in English that's readily understandable.  Unfortunately I just handed out the last of my sMerits.  I owe you one.

Well, I refreshed the page and it gave the second one without my acknowledge.

In any cases, that post is not a shit post. It is a post. The fact that it shouldn't contribuite to your rank is something different.

There are people that speak just like that and simply. It shouldn't count to the rank, but it is still a post. Anyway, it is not my job to say how it can be in a different way counted the spam or the "shitposters", i do not own the forum or getting paid from it, but for sure there are more other ways.

I like somehow the merit idea, it's great, but you can't offer the possibility of ranking up just to some users.

[coinlocket$]

I've almost ranked up but yes it's a lot harder now especially for those like me haven't English as 1st language. So is definitely possible, easier for someone and harder for others.
I would like to know if there is a list of people who ranked up.

[tuanytcc]

Honestly, most of newbies/ newcomers of the forum joined the forum recently (particularly since the second half of 2017) tend to focus mainly on getting money through signature campaigns, bounties, airdrops.
They simply want to get money, don't spend a couple of seconds (I would like to emphasize, seconds, not minutes or hours) to think about how they can contribute to the forum and help other users. Consequently, they have almost not learned many knowledgeable things about crypto and the forum structures, most interesing, serious boards. I hope that they might change a bit over time, gradually, in order to contribute more.

I think your difficulty may stem from the fact that you appear to spend your time in the alt section, and you have said that you are here to earn from your signature.

Agree! They should limit their times spent on alt child boards, and turn to Meta, Beginner & help, Bitcoin Technical Support, etc. instead (serious and useful boards).

Many of the more established members want Bitcoin Talk to be an information and help exchange site, and also as a place to relax and talk about cryptos and the emerging economies. Posts from members who are attempting to display their signatures in return for payment, and pay scant regard to the thread topic, or the content of their posts, make it difficult for the more serious members to enjoy the forum. You need to distance yourself from the alts, and pay more attention to Bitcoin in my opinion.

[bbv4pawn]

Please allow links in the signature for members with no merit or remove the merit system or people will go to other forums. This forum driven by a 2006 engine is not going to be the only place to discuss cryptos certainly.

[bbv4pawn]

This forum is going to be just like a shareware version for 95% of new users. No signatures, no avatars, no nothing, no fun. I am not gonna rack my brain on how to get merit.

So disrespectful to the newbies.

[nhathongkehoc]

This forum is going to be just like a shareware version for 95% of new users. No signatures, no avatars, no nothing, no fun. I am not gonna rack my brain on how to get merit.

So disrespectful to the newbies.

Yeah, it should be like this due to the terrible fact the it has become landfill area of newcomers who dumped their shits and try getting money from their shitshows.
It should be like this to prevent those ones ranking up and minimize their opportunities to get money from shit-efforts.

[iconoclast]

I can understand why the merit system was brought in. Having a system where rank is determined by the number of posts you make will inevitably lead to people making useless posts just to get rank. The merit system has eliminated that to a large degree but it has been replaced by merit farming and is also percieved as being unfair to new members. I think we should consider the current system a deeply flawed improvement on what went on before but something that also needs to be improved to discourage merit farming and make it more fair to newer members.

[ipanda]

at first couple minutes of reading the title before clicking, while  I'm reading detail information of merit system and i noted myself , those selfish people will not use their merit to level the others.

However, after voting " NO " and read those comments on the frist page, i have changed my mind and believe this system will bring the new wind rolling in bitcointalk. that's why people  say : read more learn more 

If they change abit the way people get and spend merit points , it will be better. Like using upvote button, the more upvote, the more merits will be gained depends on the current rank

[Coffee_Lover]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

I voted yes, but it may take some time before we rank up. Sad reality it is.

[KWH]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

I voted yes, but it may take some time before we rank up. Sad reality it is.

Why the urgent need to "rank up?" Does a low rank cause you to bounce checks, be late to work, cause your car to die, impregnate your cat, give you cooties or give you the runs? If so, how did you survive previously?
Your rank does not hinder you in any way from meaningful forum participation.

[Schirer]

Yet another negatively biased post about the merit system. This solves nothing, just get onboard and try being a next level poster..

3 days in and you want people to vote on how hard it will be? You want to say that 99%+ won't level up.

How about waiting for a month? Trying to be an excellent poster??

Month and months have passed, the reality is that the OP is right.
Show me one Member which have ranked up to FULL Memeber or in fact a Full member to Sr member in this time period which is not a bounty manager.

The truth is that the amounts of Merits which are going around is too small, people do not merit you even if your post is useful.

You will argue that " too bad" wirte better and more posts, i will reply - go and register new account and let see how many Merits you will get in what time period, wil you become a Full member in a year, 2 years or more?

[ryan2018]

Yet another negatively biased post about the merit system. This solves nothing, just get onboard and try being a next level poster..

3 days in and you want people to vote on how hard it will be? You want to say that 99%+ won't level up.

How about waiting for a month? Trying to be an excellent poster??

Month and months have passed, the reality is that the OP is right.
Show me one Member which have ranked up to FULL Memeber or in fact a Full member to Sr member in this time period which is not a bounty manager.

The truth is that the amounts of Merits which are going around is too small, people do not merit you even if your post is useful.

You will argue that " too bad" wirte better and more posts, i will reply - go and register new account and let see how many Merits you will get in what time period, wil you become a Full member in a year, 2 years or more?

Actually seeing the reality now that the merit system will make it difficult for new members to rise. But anyway I as a junior member was just trying to give maximum quality posts without stopping until someday there are willing to give me a merit. Let it flow.

[Talk merit]

You will argue that " too bad" wirte better and more posts, i will reply - go and register new account and let see how many Merits you will get in what time period, wil you become a Full member in a year, 2 years or more?

I've done that, and I didn't expect to receive any merits, but now I have to decide who should get the sMerit that I have to award.

28 activity in under 2 days as well.

[Bachelorrd]

I wonder what are reasons of others why they are very much concern of not having merits? If they're just here to learn things about cryptocurrency, I think even if we're all just newbie its okay, People don't need merits to lurk here and to participate in discussion.

What I have observed is that many members here are eyeing to get some merits, either by making a suggestion thread about merits or complaining.

[Jet Cash]

>..<

I gave you a merit to show that not all people are equal.

[hilariousetc]

I wonder what are reasons of others why they are very much concern of not having merits? If they're just here to learn things about cryptocurrency, I think even if we're all just newbie its okay, People don't need merits to lurk here and to participate in discussion.

Everyone knows why merits (and ranks) are valuable. Most people who sign up here these days do not do so just to merely discuss bitcoin. They do so because they heard you can earn money here via signature campaigns and to get more money you need a higher ranked account. In fact, most Lower-ranked accounts are largely worthless because you cannot join the majority of campaigns, so they need merit to progress through the ranks, but it's obviously not very easy to get when you can't speak English very well nor can you contribute much here hence why people are moaning constantly.

[Alex_Sr]

It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.

[TMAN]

It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.

Right attitude.. I was going to give you some merit even with your bad English - but.. It looks dodgy when most of your merit came from 1 member and the thread was deleted..

[Alex_Sr]

It is quite possible to extract Merit!
But 99% of newbies just don't want to do anything to get it. They came to the forum for easy money, and there is necessary also a head to think. They are not ready for it, they want to earn "easy" money not including the head.

Right attitude.. I was going to give you some merit even with your bad English - but.. It looks dodgy when most of your merit came from 1 member and the thread was deleted..

Yes, I earn merit by helping to moderate a few topic of the Russian section of the forum.

I daily check hundreds of topics and searching for those that violate the forum rules (Spam, Offtop, Scam, Referal Link). For that sometimes moderator get merit.

P.S. Sorry for my English 

[Top Dog Devs]

I believe that if you work at it and are going about things the right way it will happen in time but I think the easiest way to look at it is by comparing it to real life. You have you upper class, middle class, and lower class people(don't take this as me saying one class is better than another because I feel as people we are all equal). You cant just expect to jump from a lower class to upper class overnight(unless you get lucky and win the lottery or something along those lines of course) the same applies here when moving from newbie to legendary if it was that easy everyone would be legendary overnight. At the same time it's somewhat fair because if you put in enough effort overtime you will slowly gain the ranks that you want. Just like in real life 9 times out of 10 people aren't just going to give you handouts you have to put in the work for it. Our incentives for doing the work is being able to do those things most people can't do but without it nothing would really matter. There would be no need to have quality posts, no penalty for spamming, etc because everyone would be on the same level with no restrictions and to be honest the forums would be in very bad shape. Now if you get to the point where you feel that you have put in the time and effort but aren't getting the results you seek then maybe you need to think about changing up your approach. Overall I believe it might not be perfect but it's fair and the way I see it these are the rules that are set we just have to work for it .

[bbv4pawn]

The problem is, there is no definitive guide, "Do that, get merit". Basically they're telling you, "go ahead, come up with your own idea how to get merit on our site". You cannot even buy it directly, only informally. I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.

Yes, I earn merit by helping to moderate a few topic of the Russian section of the forum.

But you are not telling how you became a moderator.

[athanz88]

The problem is, there is no definitive guide, "Do that, get merit". Basically they're telling you, "go ahead, come up with your own idea how to get merit on our site". You cannot even buy it directly, only informally. I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.

Yes, I earn merit by helping to moderate a few topic of the Russian section of the forum.

But you are not telling how you became a moderator.

There is no standard or definitive guide because merit is in the hands of people who have it, so it will bound to their subjectivity and point of view for some matters and things. So even though you are making a high quality post, it is still up to the other person if they want to give you merit or not. Making a great posts will only increase the chance of you to get merit, with that being said, it is a better thing to have more chances to get merit because you made a great posts rather than not having any chances to get it.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

I believe they could at least make certain manageable tasks so that people could get merit for doing something.

Bitcointalk isn't some sort of perverse RPG, where you need a strategy guide to tell you how to slay the dragon at the end of the water level.  It's not a big mystery, and even the 3 activity noobs seem to be mouthing the words "We need to make a quality posts and we can gain merits".  Aside from the problem of whether said noobs are ever going to rank up, that's essentially the correct answer.  And I would add that you have to get on the radar of people here who have merits to give and will hand them out to low-ranked members.  Because of how awfully unreadable bitcointalk has become and the fact that it's mainly noob shitposters who are responsible, there's a lot of bias against members of the lower ranks.  

A lot of that is well-deserved, but two things:  

1)  The merit system isn't even 3 months old yet.  A lot of members who are squealing about how unfair the system is are just being lazy and impatient.  This is akin to being the lazy-ass coworker who steals company pens that everyone wants fired, and who asks for a raise every 3 months.  It's just not a realistic perspective.  And,

2)  You can't expect to earn merit by making posts in threads that no one reads.  This point was recently made by DarkStar_ in another thread, and it's right on the money.  I've noticed that the vast majority of shitposts are made in mega spam threads in certain sections of bitcointalk, where most of the threads have titles that are these idiotic questions like "How bitcoin affect your life?" or "How can I earn btc?" or "The advantages of bitcoin".  These are topics that have been discussed hundreds of times already, and new threads are usually created by Account_A so that Alt Accounts_B-Z have something easy to write about.  And guess what?  No one reads that shit, especially not other spammers, who don't care about reading anything anyway.

Again, there's no mystery.  Take enough time to write a post like I just wrote, with some thought put into it, and you'll eventually get enough merits to rank up.  If not, goodbye and good riddance.

[Talk merit]

But you are not telling how you became a moderator.

I don't believe he said he was a moderator. I think he said that he translated posts to help keep the board clean, and that he received the occasional merit for doing this.

[Talk merit]

 A lot of members who are squealing about how unfair the system is are just being lazy and impatient.

I've just reported a classic case of this. The poster quoted about 12 lines taken from a previous post in the thread, and then rewrote it in pseudo-English. I got the feeling that he didn't really understand either the quoted post, or his "translation". These actions are not going to receive merit, and could result in the poster receiving penalties.

[tsoyens01]

We will need to see how it works out in a few months to truly see if it is improving or making things worse, it is a welcome addition to the site as I was wondering a while ago what more could be done especially when you reach the top ranks there isn't anywhere else to rank up to, this obviously still remains the same but it is nice to have Merits which can change. 😇

[Bachelorrd]

>..<

I gave you a merit to show that not all people are equal.

Thanks Jetcash/Talk merit.  But merit is not really needed.

What I do hope is more healthy threads with real discussion with real people because that's the sense of a forum. I have been lurking at bitcoin discussion sub forum and many other sub-forum what I'm seeing is just people commenting with a block of text or creating a thread with facts we already know, of course in hopes to get merited. Also, I'm seeing some members are more engaged in flaming than helping the newcomers

[tsoyens01]

its a way to express how a person thinks about a post.
Since its needed to lvl up, its not really usefull that Legendary members receive merrit. They only will receive more to give away.
Yes, getting to the next rank will be tuff.

[btcsmlcmnr]

its a way to express how a person thinks about a post.
Since its needed to lvl up, its not really usefull that Legendary members receive merrit. They only will receive more to give away.
Yes, getting to the next rank will be tuff.

What are you talking about, my friend? Merit system was launched for every members of the forum. I have no doubts about this. That's fact.
Consequently, merits and sMerits have been there for all of us, regardless of our ranks in the forum.
You said that Ledgendary users (and Hero too) don't really need merits. I don't agree with you because higher-ranked, constructive, active users need more sMerits to give away. That is one of the most motivating activities they can do for the forum; verifying high-qualitied threads, give authors of those threads merits (by sending their sMerits away) to motivate them keep writing high-qualited threads and keep contributing to the forum.
I believe Ledgendary needs merits for sure.

[tsoyens01]

So much grateful for it. Thanks for being fair to all the members here who worked hard on making sure they rank up accordingly. Also, the Merit and new rank requirement is a good avenue for the whole forum community to have a better and healthy exchanging of ideas and not just sharing a blabber all around. This will surely empower the members to produce quality posts over time. This will also for sure encourage highly educated people to join the forum since they don't just see low-quality posts.

[criz2fer]

We will need to see how it works out in a few months to truly see if it is improving or making things worse, it is a welcome addition to the site as I was wondering a while ago what more could be done especially when you reach the top ranks there isn't anywhere else to rank up to, this obviously still remains the same but it is nice to have Merits which can change. 😇

Few month could be a good evaluation of the new merit system. I think the admin are working their best to improve the forum with the help of this. Hope the new site is already available by the time then. With knowledgeable members, discussion are more healthy and many people could learn from this coming technology.

[hd49728]

Few month could be a good evaluation of the new merit system. I think the admin are working their best to improve the forum with the help of this. Hope the new site is already available by the time then. With knowledgeable members, discussion are more healthy and many people could learn from this coming technology.

No need to wait more to get assesment about effectiveness of merit system. The system was launched some day in January this year. That means the system is 2-month-old (a little bit more), and I believe all of us have witnessed its good, positive impacts on forum ifself and forum users. I think merit system has changed and is going to keep improving the forum and its users to better ones.

[tsoyens01]

I think this new system is great because it filters out the obvious shitposters (and there's a lot of them).
As for myself, well if I'm getting stuck at this rank - then so be it. I'm here to gain information and to give information and it is perfectly possible to continue doing just that without needing to rank up. 😂

[vorseb]

yes, its hard to rank up exept you have many knowledge of cryptocurrency. I think what you has to do is learn more and much more to produce quality post.

[tranthidung]

The system is really, instinctly great due to its original objectives are to wipe spammers out of ranking progress.

I think this new system is great because it filters out the obvious shitposters (and there's a lot of them).

Take it easy, guy! Let it be. Learning more, contribute more; keep doing those things naturally. After all, merits will automatically find deserved users and you will be ranked up some day if you deserved to it.

Don't worry. Let it be!

As for myself, well if I'm getting stuck at this rank - then so be it. I'm here to gain information and to give information and it is perfectly possible to continue doing just that without needing to rank up. 😂

[tsoyens01]

I really have no problem with the new system, this encourages us to think more, and to participate more with other people in the forum and soon enough we will get our merits. I just hope that admins will at least decrease the number of merits needed to level up, I guess increments of 20 merits will be fine enough as long as there is only a limit of 1 merit you can receive for like a day or so. The merit system now is somewhat biased though as a person who has a lot of merits can give out 50 merits in one post rather than distributing it to others with such good posts as well, so I guess a limit of 1 merit per person per day would be fair enough. The receiver of the merit is only limited to receive 1 merit per person who merits his post so if he could get 100 persons who likes his post for that day then that is an instant 100 merits for him.

I dont think limit on merits per person per day is a good, appropriate choice. That should depends on the level of quality of each post and, of course, generosity of each merit senders. Let's everything work naturally, human will manage the merit system automatically.

Its to get merit for this new system to rank up .

[axicron]

1) It will not decrease shit posts number, may be even increase it. Why? Simply because new merit system doesn'trestrict anyone from posting and only fews trying to gain it, while all the rest don't give a f :)ck and keep generating tons of posts.

2) Why do new users need merit? To be available include well-formatted links to their signatures and to participate in signature campaigns. And who can give merit? Those users, who already can participate in campaigns and just are not interested in growing competitors for them by their own hands. So what do we see now: 90% of merit being spent on posts, which aren't in need of merit (e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3232693.msg33646534#msg33646534 ) and that doesn't mean there are no eligible ones.

3) The guys (mostly that are already who have enough merit to take a bath with it) who saying something like "it's not hard to be exceptional poster and get merit" - all of your merit is gained by exceptional quality posts..?

[dumedoibct26]

Right! Merit system won't decrease spamming threads; but it will increase quality of threads in large scale. That's enough (at least for me) for the forum.

1) It will not decrease shit posts number, may be even increase it. Why? Simply because new merit system doesn'trestrict anyone from posting and only fews trying to gain it, while all the rest don't give a f :)ck and keep generating tons of posts.

What did you imply by saying "in need of merit"? I guess you wanted to mention merit beggars. Honestly, they don't deserve merit points, so please forget it.

2)
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90% of merit being spent on posts, which aren't in need of merit (e.g. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3232693.msg33646534#msg33646534 ) and that doesn't mean there are no eligible ones.

Something like abuse the topic to complain, cry, moan about merit system with hopelessly hope that merit system will be inactivated in the forum. No chance, so let's accept the system.

3) The guys (mostly that are already who have enough merit to take a bath with it) who saying something like "it's not hard to be exceptional poster and get merit" - all of your merit is gained by exceptional quality posts..?

[axicron]

Right! Merit system won't decrease spamming threads; but it will increase quality of threads in large scale. That's enough (at least for me) for the forum.

Far from being a fact. There are people who think their post is good, but it is objectively not. So after noticing it won't bring them merit they will do another one (and in repeat). So instead of one useless post which people used to do to get 1 merit (which was equivalent to activity) they will do 2-10 posts.

What did you imply by saying "in need of merit"? I guess you wanted to mention merit beggars. Honestly, they don't deserve merit points, so please forget it.

It is clearly what I implied - there are many merit eligible posts and people merit ones, which don't need it. Nothing about beggars, you got it wrong.

Something like abuse the topic to complain, cry, moan about merit system with hopelessly hope that merit system will be inactivated in the forum. No chance, so let's accept the system.

In case of crying and moaning - yes, there is no chance for changing. But if make it constructive, like I tried, someone from stuff may consider it reasonable.

[toiratdeptrai13]

Actually, there are so many quality posts drifted. They invest in writing articles, but even nobody reads. So how given merit? They take the time to educate newcomers to the basics. It is very useful for newbie. But the newcomers have no merit for them

[iqlimasyadiqa]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

All things will certainly have a positive impact and have a negative impact. For me the Merit system has reduced this forum from spammers and farmer accounts. Those who are not qualified simply lower the forum's credibility. This is a positive form of the enactment of merit system. I feel happy because until now the situation has improved and Merit has been proven to make this forum much better than before.

[paulmaritz]

I only need 238 merits to rank up. This while I've passed the requirements in terms of activity and number of posts a while ago. Once I get there, in a couple of years, I will most likely look back and say: "Dang, I've finally managed to get to the top of Mount Merit! My bones and soul can rest easy now."

[Talk merit]

So instead of one useless post which people used to do to get 1 merit (which was equivalent to activity) they will do 2-10 posts.

Merit is not equivalent to activity. Activity takes you along the path until you get to the gatekeeper for the next level. When you get there, you show the gatekeeper your merit wallet, and if it isn't full enough, then he won't open the gate. This leaves you milling around on the grass outside. If you create too many unmeritable posts in an attempt to fill your wallet, you run the risk of annoying the merit awarders, and therefore you will be placed on ignore. This makes it much harder for you to gain the merits you need.

The best plan is to think before you post, and ask yourself - "would I like to see this post, and has it helped me in some way". If the answer is "no", then don't make the post. If you do make the post, then make sure it flows smoothly, and is easy to read. This means you will need to spell check it before submitting it.

[KingScorpio]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

no this merit system is broken and its not working.

[yojodojo21]

Probably a 100% reality, as a member to this forum we are oblige to obey the rules and regulations and new features implemented by our dear administrator theymos, it is a fair decision mate, you get merit for your deserving post (even thou there are illegal doers) but for me it is fair and square, you'll receive merit if you deserve it and will not get it till you make a post that is interesting that caught up the interest of merit sources, but still you have the chance to obtain it, just take it or leave it.

[btcsmlcmnr]

no this merit system is broken and its not working.

Hello fella,
You should say something like this.
"Merit system has actually broken my life and spammers', account farmers' lives.
I have losen lots of opportunities to earn money in bitcointalk forum due to merit system."
Saying, writing like this, you will get big rounds of applause from spammers, account farmers, merit exchangers, and merit beggars. So proud of you!

Haha.

[lobcmt2]

Agree, guy! Merit system and activity system are very different in its mechanism and its role in the forum.

Merit is not equivalent to activity.

yeah, getting merits is much harder than getting activity-count.

This makes it much harder for you to gain the merits you need.

Someone don't think about what they will write, what they will discuss; they only/ mainly think about whether they will receive merits for their threads or not. Consequently, most of them never earn merits. It's extremely ridiculous, ahha.

The best plan is to think before you post, and ask yourself - "would I like to see this post, and has it helped me in some way". If the answer is "no", then don't make the post. If you do make the post, then make sure it flows smoothly, and is easy to read. This means you will need to spell check it before submitting it.

[shield132]

One thing I can't understand is following:
As 99.9% of people claims bitcointalk is a great forum for sharing knowledge and they use it for that reason <-- So you can ask/answer questions without high rank but in reality 99.9%  wants rank only for sig campaigns.
So that's why Merit is great addition.
Why are there endless topics/bumps related to merit?

[btcsmlcmnr]

Those sort of users didn't tell the truth. Their main (maybe only) objectives to join the forum is to get money from available campaigns, bounties, airdrops; not to get knowledge, to share experience, skills, etc.

As 99.9% of people claims bitcointalk is a great forum for sharing knowledge and they use it for that reason <-- So you can ask/answer questions without high rank but in reality 99.9%  wants rank only for sig campaigns.

So that's why Merit is great addition.

It can not be solved if admin won't release new rules which restrict users to start new topics on merit and related issues. However, I think that the forum should keep allowing users (on all ranks) can start new topic (of course, only unallowable in serious boards). Should keep the forum as fair, equal as possible for all users.

Why are there endless topics/bumps related to merit?

[tsoyens01]

I don't even look at how much merit i have or don't have. I have never posted to simply gain rank either and never will. If you post only to get merit or further your rank than you need to re-evaluate yourself because it's a waste of your time.  Why would you roll like that in the 1st place? The rank has no difference, newbie can still post and read everything i can and jr member (which you don't even need merit or anything much to attain) can enter most bounty campaigns so what is the big deal with merit? Business as usual if you ask me. I use bitcointalk to gain trading knowledge and learn about new coins and events in the crypto world. Why is it that humans always form social hierarchies with ranks and levels anyhow, and than the masses want to conform to these systems?

[Grayy]

I think more junior members can rank up quickly to Member ranks. It gets more difficult to rank up as the rank itself increases, but it is not impossible to rank up. I think being a technical person makes it easier to rank up though.

[coloseum]

I think more junior members can rank up quickly to Member ranks. It gets more difficult to rank up as the rank itself increases, but it is not impossible to rank up. I think being a technical person makes it easier to rank up though.

It doesn't make sense. Quickly rank up to Member, lol. Are you mad? Without ability and intention to contribute to the forum, forget about ranking up.
With the merit system and new ranking requirements (which launched by Theymos around 3 months ago); only real constructive members can rank up. I don't want to mention about potential abusers (they don't deserve to be mention here).
Cheers.

[tsoyens01]

I'm generally happy with systems that help make this forum a better place by limiting spam posting, scamming, etc. I've been around for a while so am not in a position to have to earn my way up by collecting merits.

I am a bit concerned about the limited ways there are to get s-merits. It seems the merit sources and the folks who collect a lot of merit points would be the merit whales on this forum, and that over time, people wanting to rank up will post with those whales in mind, rather than simply focusing on quality. Also, there is a certain aspect of this that depends on your ability to promote yourself, not just write quality posts. I don't know if there is a way to kind of equalize that. I think it's great to reward high quality posts, but the ability to write those posts and promote them so that the right forum members may notice them are two different skill sets.

[Talk merit]

I don't think that the sources are the merit whales. Theymos wanted to use trusted members, rather than merit hunters. The initial sMerits must be used up fairly soon, so it will be good posters and sources that will be awarding the merits. Well that's the theory as I see it.

[Braydean]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

This is true even we are posted a constructive posts our posts  will ignore in other user's they don't have an attention about merit system but don't worry thier is a lot of people in this forum we will not surrender we will keep on posting 😊

[rajurathod18]

I fall under the bad category as you mentioned in OP. I have made some good post but haven't received merit and I will not give up I will make some useful post on speculation coz I like speculation. One more ugly thing I have observed lot of ranked members exchange merit with their friends only I am not blaming them for that coz sometimes their friends makes good post and sometimes they get merit from their friends for shitpost which I feel wrong.  There some members like hugeblack, bill gator, baao, addeqt, iasenko, stingers and Vlad are doing great to provide the platform for merit for people's who fall under bad category. Also I like Joe's signature less challenge will take part in that challenge once I complete my current campaign not for merit I feel through Joe's signature less challenge I will learn lot of things.

[Analyst101]

I finally ranked up to become a member so that's good. But the next step is 100 so that's gonna take a while... It took me 3 months to get 10, so 90 more might take 27 months. However, I do think the more established you become, the more easily you earn merit.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

This is true even we are posted a constructive posts our posts  

But if you write like this ^^^ you haven't "posted a constructive post".  You've posted a bunch of garbled-English nonsense that's been written 1000 times before and which no one wants to read.  There's so much wrong, structurally, linguistically, grammatically, with what you wrote that it smacks of SE Asian shitposting.  No offense intended because of where you live, but that section of the world has earned a notorious reputation on bitcointalk.

In addition, if you post like this in mega spam threads, you are absolutely guaranteed not to earn merit.  Those kinds of threads are par for the course in Bitcoin Discussion and Economics because it's so easy for shitposters to slip through the cracks.  All the posts look the same, say the same thing, and it's uninteresting.

We must post a constructive post
We must post a constructive post.
On and on and on.

Let me give you a tip:  When you're speaking about things in general, and not about a specific group you're in, don't use "WE" so much.  I see this overused by people who can't write proper English, and it's driving me insane.

When you combine that with garbage like what you wrote, it's much, much worse.  I don't expect you to comprehend my tip, but perhaps some other would-be merit earner will.  It's on the house.

It is hard since most of the merit source in the forum don't care about giving merits, I've seen a lot of quality post out there but does'nt given merit points, There should be a consequence also to those who hold merit(s)

Whaaa?  Merit sources applied to be such because they do care about giving merits.  The problem from your perspective is that you're not earning them, and that reflects more on you than it does on the merit sources.  Why does nobody clean their own house first?

[FiveReelsTwo]

It is hard since most of the merit source in the forum don't care about giving merits, I've seen a lot of quality post out there but does'nt given merit points, There should be a consequence also to those who hold merit(s)

[motienvolam]

~
We must post a constructive post
We must post a constructive post.
On and on and on.

Let me give you a tip:  When you're speaking about things in general, and not about a specific group you're in, don't use "WE" so much.  I see this overused by people who can't write proper English, and it's driving me insane.

When you combine that with garbage like what you wrote, it's much, much worse.  I don't expect you to comprehend my tip, but perhaps some other would-be merit earner will.  It's on the house.
~

Thank you very much, The Pharmacist.
Writers should not use we when want to express ideas about their own experiences. I am non-native English-speaker, so I highly appreciate your tip.

Sometimes, I also see writers use Sir. in their threads. The word should not be over-used, which might lead to the 'real' launch "Politeness point" in the future. Just kidding.

[hoangvuthach]

I joined the forum on July 14, 2017, and I have not received any merit yet, but I do not think it is unworthy, depending on your contribution they will give you merit, and I'm not worthy enough.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Thank you very much, The Pharmacist.
Writers should not use we when want to express ideas about their own experiences. I am non-native English-speaker, so I highly appreciate your tip.

No problem.  I'm glad you at least read my post and took a suggestion, which is more than the average bitcointalk member is willing to do.  I don't usually give tips on writing better English, as the ROI for doing so seems ridiculously low here.  And at least you didn't call me sir, which is another pet peeve that you seem to have picked up on. 

Some of these threads for signature campaigns are funny (almost) to read, because so much ass is kissed that there has to be some cold sores forming somewhere.

The two salient points of this are that 1) you CAN earn merit and rank up, but a lot of people haven't figured out what it takes yet, and 2) the whole reason merits were put into place was to curb the shitposting/account farming/whatever problem, which the old system nurtured.  Now it's much harder to rank up, and the goal here IS to discourage people from just posting nonsense.  They haven't quite stopped yet, but in time they'll learn.  *I hope*.

[tsoyens01]

I think that merit system is quite difficult to others but for me merit sytem is quite challenging it make you more challege to post constructive and more high quality post. The harder you work to gain for merits the better to do your very best. That's why i will do my best to gain those merits so that i will rank up to member up to legendary. good luck to all like me who wants to rank up. godbless

[hd49728]

I think that merit system is quite difficult to others but for me merit sytem is quite challenging it make you more challege to post constructive and more high quality post. The harder you work to gain for merits the better to do your very best. That's why i will do my best to gain those merits so that i will rank up to member up to legendary. good luck to all like me who wants to rank up. godbless

Lol.
I think that the real challenge is your desire to spam challenge you to stop your habit, and start spending more time to compose your threads.
However, spending more time won't lead to higher quality threads, because the quality mainly depends on your knowledge on crypto world, your experience in the crypto ecosystem, your English proficiency, and more.
Challenge yourself to spend more time to learn, to Sharon's your English skills, in particular reading (to understand what others wrote) and writing (to express your ideas clearly, easy to understand to make it's understandable). Spend your time to do it, and don't pay attention to merit system.
Human are the most valuable resources in he world, not merits, not Bitcoin, not Altcoins; so you should improve yourself first. Eventually, you will be better, more knowledgeable; and merit system will not be your matter at all.

[krishnaverma]

I think that merit system is quite difficult to others but for me merit sytem is quite challenging it make you more challege to post constructive and more high quality post. The harder you work to gain for merits the better to do your very best. That's why i will do my best to gain those merits so that i will rank up to member up to legendary. good luck to all like me who wants to rank up. godbless

It should be seen as a challenge or we should not try to push for it. Just make relevant posts and you will get some merits for sure. Also, do not expect instant results. I keep getting merits for some posts I made months back and I am sure this happens to other users also.

[paulmaritz]

To merit or not to merit? That is the question.

[KingScorpio]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

wow intelligent observation i proposed the development of a new forum quite a while ago, i have to beacen this like a pulsar till enough people get conscious about it.

[tbct_mt2]

I don't know what you implied? "can"?. The general quality of threads rose due to merit system, I agree.

the number of users that can post with qualities are now increasing.

Merit system is a barrier for account farmers, not for ranking requirements. In fact, merit system related to new ranking system (which has new rules due to the launch of merit system). I am not sure you mis-expressed your ideas due to language or due to misunderstood the merit system.

Merits will not be a hindrance anymore for the ranking requirements,

Only constructive users can rank up, not all.

it will only take sometime for the new members to Rank Up.

[Talk merit]

I've gone from brand new to Junior member in 14 days, and, much to my surprise, I've got enough merit to become a member in 4 weeks time. I didn't expect this account to earn any merit, and I certainly didn't chase it. I think it shows that if you are prepared to put the interests of the forum and its members first, then the forum will reward you by increasing your rank. Polluting the boards in a desperate hunt for merit and bounty payments is not the way to move ahead.

[btcsmlcmnr]

I've gone from brand new to Junior member in 14 days, and, much to my surprise, I've got enough merit to become a member in 4 weeks time. I didn't expect this account to earn any merit, and I certainly didn't chase it. I think it shows that if you are prepared to put the interests of the forum and its members first, then the forum will reward you by increasing your rank. Polluting the boards in a desperate hunt for merit and bounty payments is not the way to move ahead.

Agree with you guy! Be helpful, just be helpful, don't pretend to be helpful, merits will come naturally. How to be helpful? Learning more, reading more, sharpening English skills.
Begging for merits will almost lead to nothing, no merit at all.

[suchmoon]

I'm generally happy with systems that help make this forum a better place by limiting spam posting, scamming, etc. I've been around for a while so am not in a position to have to earn my way up by collecting merits.

I am a bit concerned about the limited ways there are to get s-merits. It seems the merit sources and the folks who collect a lot of merit points would be the merit whales on this forum, and that over time, people wanting to rank up will post with those whales in mind, rather than simply focusing on quality. Also, there is a certain aspect of this that depends on your ability to promote yourself, not just write quality posts. I don't know if there is a way to kind of equalize that. I think it's great to reward high quality posts, but the ability to write those posts and promote them so that the right forum members may notice them are two different skill sets.

No, you're generally a copy-pasta spammer. Get lost.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg32791110#msg32791110

[dioneparaiso]

Going up in rank is now only for those elite who are already in a higher rank. the rookie and those in the unqualified merbro rank will never rise in rank that's the truth. You can see that those who advocates merit are those who do not need it anymore because they will get merit from one another.

[Talk merit]

Going up in rank is now only for those elite who are already in a higher rank. the rookie and those in the unqualified merbro rank will never rise in rank that's the truth. You can see that those who advocates merit are those who do not need it anymore because they will get merit from one another.

I think you need to reread that. You are saying that the only members who will be able to increase in rank are the Legendaries.

This post is typical of those who fail to blame themselves for failing to earn any merit.

[ducdr]

I'm generally happy with systems that help make this forum a better place by limiting spam posting, scamming, etc. I've been around for a while so am not in a position to have to earn my way up by collecting merits.

I am a bit concerned about the limited ways there are to get s-merits. It seems the merit sources and the folks who collect a lot of merit points would be the merit whales on this forum, and that over time, people wanting to rank up will post with those whales in mind, rather than simply focusing on quality. Also, there is a certain aspect of this that depends on your ability to promote yourself, not just write quality posts. I don't know if there is a way to kind of equalize that. I think it's great to reward high quality posts, but the ability to write those posts and promote them so that the right forum members may notice them are two different skill sets.

No, you're generally a copy-pasta spammer. Get lost.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2818350.msg32791110#msg32791110

Totally plagiarism. Permanent ban is coming. Why the guy can did it in such serious board like Meta.

[nevergone]

The new merit system: The good, the bad, and the ugly!

The good: Only the quality posters will rank up.

The bad: Even if you post quality contents you may not get many merits by the people.

The ugly: When you post great content many people are lazy to click and go to the next page and add the merit(s).

Share your thoughts about this merit system latest development, thanks  
  

Totally agree with you, I think the merit system will just lead to one result that little people can get a rank rise and most of them will leave this forum, besides, new users will have little interest to enter in, so the forum will have less and less active user

[tbct_mt2]

Totally agree with you, I think the merit system will just lead to one result that little people can get a rank rise and most of them will leave this forum, besides, new users will have little interest to enter in, so the forum will have less and less active user

You are missing a point! The forum need constructive, helpful users, so users who un-constructive, helpless should leave. No one in the forum need sort of members. In addition, it might be better if users are active in the forum, but it doesn't matter if they are not active daily. The most important thing is during the time they active in the forum, they are able to contribute to the forum with their constructive, helpful threads.

Newcomers are welcome, but if they are spammers, cheaters, they should not join the forum or should leave soon after joining.

[friends1980]

I can't believe how even in this thread, the amount of bullshit, spam and bad English is so horribly appalling.

[MagicSmoker]

This thread is still droning on? Although it was nice to see suchmoon tag tsoyens01 for copy-pasta (and I also see that The Pharmacist gave him red trust! Bam!).

Now just to be on topic and contribute to the flotsam here, I ascended to the mighty rank of member via merit, so I guess I'm part of the 0.1%. I sure hope there isn't an Occupy Bitcointalk movement, because just like Eric Cartman, I can't stand dirty-sweaty-smelly-hippies.

[bixbem90]

I can't believe how even in this thread, the amount of bullshit, spam and bad English is so horribly appalling.

Bad English is not problem, even you make some sentences not meet grammar, but your words is really worthy, look like that guiding or make tutorials for something at crypto world, someone still give merits to you. Especially, i see a lot of topic and person do the job like cops, find out trading merits, find out alts account always have higher ratio for get merits.
P/s: I still don't sent any merits to anyone? Is it OK?

[Mariksa]

Yes, it is harder to rank up with the new merit system. But the accounts that have quality content that is interesting to read will be noticed sooner or later.  But it will take some time, of course. Remember, good things come to those who wait so just have a little patience and post, post, post!

[jumbo]

I can tell you just from the own experience, that it is not that hard to rank up.

Yes, it is harder than back in the days, when you could simply put on hundreds of barely meaningful post adding no value to the conversation, and become a high rank member. And I'm happy those days are over, because there is nothing less appealing, than a topic with hundreds of primitive and pointless posts on a subject, which you are genuinely interested in and trying to research. Digging into that flood to find a valuable answer is no fun or pleasure.

Rank is now a better representation of the actual value, which user contributes to the community, and that is good.

Just check out my posts for example, those are nothing extraordinary, just some valid points on subjects I actually competent in. Do the same and merit will come.

[ilcapitano]

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Hi, thanks for your tips to earn merits by composing constructive threads. I am just a little bit curious about your avatar. Your account was created in 2018, not from old past. That means your account should be not able to wear avatar. In addtion, you are not a Copper member, why you can wear avatar for Member rank?
I can understand that old users can still wear avatar due to past changes in the forum rules on avatar, but I can not explain what are happening with your account.

[Jet Cash]

From Jumbo's profile

Date Registered:    May 31, 2012, 09:23:02 PM

[paulmaritz]

From Jumbo's profile

Date Registered:    May 31, 2012, 09:23:02 PM

Yet, Jumbo claims: "I can tell you just from the own experience, that it is not that hard to rank up."

Not that time is the ultimate measure. Just saying.

[caotringhia]

I feel the new merit system is really good although it is very difficult for the newbie and me. But I still support this new system, if you have the knowledge and language skills in this area, the rankings will be extremely easy. So, increase your knowledge and you will get the rank deserve.

[aksen]

I feel the new merit system is really good although it is very difficult for the newbie and me.

I can understand the newbie part but why only you ? You seem to have good writing skills and can certainly get some merits if you are smart. Memembers with avergae writing skills have succeeded because they posted at right place at right time.

But I still support this new system, if you have the knowledge and language skills in this area, the rankings will be extremely easy.

I do not think that both knowledge and language skills are required for merits or ranking up. One can do so with knowledge only like by posting a cool Infographic that solves a problem for lot of members here.

[stingraydiver]

I am new to this forum.  I have only been active since February.  I have found that I receive Merit when I work to bring posts that are of value to the community.  This is just like everything else in the real world.  If you apply yourself, you are rewarded.  There is not an easy button!  I worked hard to post quality topics!

[dncdog]

I am new to this forum.  I have only been active since February.  I have found that I receive Merit when I work to bring posts that are of value to the community.  This is just like everything else in the real world.  If you apply yourself, you are rewarded.  There is not an easy button!  I worked hard to post quality topics!

If you want to know more about merit systems, how to become constructive users (be constructive first, then merits will automatically come), here you go, fella:
TMAN's guide to getting merits
Full Member thanks to merit system (iasenko)

[quanghoa7911]

What is the actual effect of the reward in this forum? What should encourage the progress of each member in the community? Is there a better solution? If still showing the strictness is still not too difficult to get rewarded. Then the community will grow up faster and more sustainably.

[ducdr]

What is the actual effect of the reward in this forum? What should encourage the progress of each member in the community? Is there a better solution? If still showing the strictness is still not too difficult to get rewarded. Then the community will grow up faster and more sustainably.

Which rewards did you mention? Merits or money? 

[hoangvuthach]

The system has given you the opportunity to make free money and useful information, I think whether the merit or not, whether your rank is high or low, do not complain, because the system gave You're a privilege .

[lobcmt2]

The system has given you the opportunity to make free money and useful information, I think whether the merit or not, whether your rank is high or low, do not complain, because the system gave You're a privilege .

Please tell me, "How did you make your thread? Google translator, I guess, because the thread looks hard to understand. Such low-written thread will hardly earn merits.
The original objectives of merit system are giving merits as rewards for constructive, high quality threads, that means those threads should be written well in English, good enough to make it understandable for users.

[quanghoa7911]

What is the actual effect of the reward in this forum? What should encourage the progress of each member in the community? Is there a better solution? If still showing the strictness is still not too difficult to get rewarded. Then the community will grow up faster and more sustainably.

Which rewards did you mention? Merits or money? 

The reward I mention here is the rank, which is the merit