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January 30, 2018, 03:04:07 PM
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you made some good points, which some of them have been discussed on slack channel.
really don't understand why does it matter whats the jbg history,in short period that he is working on this project what he promised he delivered.
Anyways you didn't say anything new that should concern people who did their research.they know its gamble thats why mc is 60mil not 600mil...
you don't like to gamble you find is suspicious thats fine i respect that.lets wait for 1.4realease so we can see what are we dealing with,and q2 is not far along either so given previous expirience i will ride along and see how the project is progressing.I don't think almost 1 year of manipulating people to earn few thousands dollars from staking is worth it for jbg or for anyone
time will tell

This was my exact sentiment after reading the OP.  It was nice research but ultimately nothing that alarming. I’m sure  if you perform the same research on the team of any coin you’ll find red flags worse than this on 95 percent of them.
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I came across few suspicious things about XSPEC and I contacted jbg (lead (and only?) developer of XSPEC) privately. After the chat I had with him, I am still not sure if I trust the guy. Then after some thoughts and recent events, I have decided that it’s best for everyone to know what I know, and judge for themselves.
I will not invest long term in SpectreCoin (XSPEC) as almost everything jbg says to people is very difficult to prove and some might even be lies. Note that this is my personal conclusion, and it is based on the facts explained below.

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I have been looking for a coin to invest long term and I have come across XSPEC on this forum a lot, so I decided to take a deeper look.

I am myself a software developer, so I do look quite closely to the code and its change activity. From the github commits, it seems that jbg started working on the project in June last year. There was only a few commits from June to December. From the end of September to the start of December, there was only one commit. From December onwards there has been more commits.

Then I examined these commits further: most of them were UI changes. In the 8 months (Jun 2017 to Jan 2018) there were only 3 changes to the core (most of the codebase is ShadowCoin): a quick fix on ring sizes, OBSF4 and a new feature that enables people giving stakes to the developer (!). All the rest were UI fixes and some library upgrades. That means the codebase is basically ShadowCoin with a few UI bugs fixed plus the ability to give money to the developer. ShadowCoin was a good coin regardless so at least this has inherited all the good bits.

I then checked who have been making these changes. I know that there should be two developers, each with 20+ years of experience, actively working full-time on this cryptocurrency. Weirdly when I looked into who made the code commits, only one person (jbg) had been making commits in the past 8 months. I could not see any commits done by another account.

This already sounded suspicious so I researched more and have come across his real name! This is super weird for a privacy crypto developer who claims to be anonymous. I then found also out he is in his twenties (20+ years of dev experience in his twenties?) and he used to have a bar business for two years (20+ years of dev experience on his twenties with 2 years with a bar business?) which went bankrupt with a $90k+ tax debt. Also he is now running an ecommerce business (he claims he works full time on XSPEC? Anyway website also looks quite amateur to me).

At this point I decided to contact him privately on slack. To summarize the discussion:
- About his age and his experience, he said he claimed to have 20 years experience because he had been paid for a software project he made at school when he was 9. He agreed that he might have over-exaggerated this but commented that it's kinda ok as people usually do this.
- About the bankrupted bar business (two years), he still counted this as dev experience since he developed the PoS system for the bar.
- About the mysterious second dev, he said he is a cryptographer and he is working on stealth staking that will be available in Q2 2018. I asked if the community could see any of his work, not only stealth staking, but he said I should wait until Q2.
- About the no commit period between the end of Sept to the start of December, he claimed that they were working on the UI rewrite and stealth staking. Both features were supposed to be hidden from public for now, so no way to check this.

Here is what I assess the facts given so far:
I thank him for being really transparent as he was open to discussion and didn’t deny my findings. However, everything becomes more suspicious. jbg is definitely knowledgeable in the crypto space, he knows his stuff, and always answers everyone’s questions on Slack. His coding ability is certainly good enough for library upgrades and quick UI bug fixes.

Unfortunately jbg is trying to look much more experienced than he actually is. Exaggerating his work experience is problematic because it is skewing people’s expectation and assumption when investing. We would naturally feel assured as we expect him knowing how to run, scale and lead a team, working in multi-disciplinary complex projects, and so on. This is really suspicious especially in the crypto world where scams are everywhere.

Not only his own dev experience did not check out, it is even more suspicious when there is no commits from the second dev, so-called cryptographer, on the repo. If there really had been some work done by two full-time developers since June last year I would at least see some public commits from them both.

When he claimed that both stealth staking code and UI rewrites are hidden features, I found it really suspicious. Stealth staking code to be hidden I understand, but UI rewrites? He said he does not want to make the UI rewrite public but since December he clearly has made public commits on UI changes. That makes no sense.

I honour his narrative on hidden development work but it is only his word for the last 8 months of development. As it stands, there is no actual proof apart from UI bug fixes and library upgrades. The current github commit history is definitely not enough to justify 8 months work by 1 or 2 full-time experienced developers. From my research, he's also running another ecommerce company on his own, that is a web application. I remain doubtful on the part where he says he is working full time on Spectre too. Suspicious.

As I mentioned at the start, I was going to leave the project silently after speaking with jbg as people should do their own research and make their own conclusion. However there had been a suspicious activity that made me post this publicly. Literally a day after our chat, I noticed that the github repository has been moved to a new one. This means if he or his mysterious teammate did do private commits during Sept to Dec last year, we would probably not be able prove this anymore.  

And a new github account called Bryce has miraculously showed up! This account has done no commits so far, even though it joined in September, but it has now created his first pull request! And of course it is about a library upgrade, no structural change. This is now too suspicious.

In the crypto world I am used to account for worst case scenarios and, in my opinion (and I stress this is my opinion!) the worst scenario for this case is:

- jbg is a developer who found a good abandoned coin and tried to work on it
- he created a nice community around it, he studied about crypto and SpectreCoin specifically very well so he is able to answer all the community questions
- he is lying about his developer experience so he can look more valuable
- he is also lying about another developer/cryptographer as Bryce does not exist
- always from my research, he has an ecommerce company so he can work on the coin only on his free time, not working full time as he said
- the only contribution that he can realistically offer is quick bug fixes as well as speaking to the community. That's why he is always available on slack
- aside from other features he could have done, somehow he found time to implement the feature where the community can donate him money
- his main motivation seems to be getting donations as he certainly is trying to keep the thing going. As the main revolutionary stealth staking is scheduled for Q2, he would have had 6+ months worth of donations by then. It is quite a good deal for him if you only have to do small bug fixes and answering all the common community questions on slack
- he says that he does not have much coins so he's not interested in the coin price. However people have been donating a lot of coins to him: averaged ~$6000/month only on stakes donation at the actual rate, plus all the ones he received previously, plus the ones he owns on his own. These donations means a lot to the country he lives (yup I found out where he lives) as it has a very low average salary.

This is my worst case scenario that I deduced from the information I found. It might not be true, but it is possible.

If you count the number of times I wrote the word "suspicious", you'll understand why I am not going to invest now. It is probably better to wait and see the end of February when 1.4 is scheduled with a full UI rewrite. This is also suggested by jbg and I will pass this on but bear in mind that he is happily receiving donations in the meantime.

Few last things:
- I am not going to reveal jbg identity or how I found it. But I have proofs of our conversation, and I can share this if necessary (with all personal information censored).
- I already spent too much time on this and I need to move on Smiley. For this reason I don't think I am going to reply.
- I really hope jbg will prove what I wrote wrong with the delivery of the Spectre road map on time.
- I hope cryptographer Bryce really exists Smiley
- crypto is full of smart people and scams, try not to invest on words, but invest on facts.


I am fully aware of everything you have stated as a large stakeholder in XSPEC. It's how you interpret this which I disagree with. Coming from someone who has attended law school, please understand the actual legalities about this situation.

For example, I have bank accounts in 3 countries. I've actually had to buy a company off a citizen in these countries to get 100% ownership to then open up a bank account in that country by which I do not have citizenship. How can you claim XSPEC development and being paid in XSPEC as your employment? How would you explain your income? Ask yourself, what are the legal alternatives here? That are of course, legal.

Many of us are in debt on paper, the media can portray whatever it wishes. This is negative for whomever interprets it as negative. People told me how stupid I was for putting student loans into Bitcoin back in the day. The media cannot prove our worth in crypto  Wink

Dig some more into JBG, you will find he is quite experienced in this field. You may find this research betters his image as we can see a timeline in history. As someone who done very well in cryptocurrency, I've been like Morpheus searching for Neo with the development I invest in.

jbg is legit.


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January 30, 2018, 05:55:03 PM
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This was my exact sentiment after reading the OP.  It was nice research but ultimately nothing that alarming. I’m sure  if you perform the same research on the team of any coin you’ll find red flags worse than this on 95 percent of them.

You're right, XSPEC is better than stuff like DeepOnion or Verge. The thing is, I would never invest into these last 2 as it's really clear from the very first second that they are bad. It's not so clear and so easy to find from XSPEC, and after I found out some discrepancies, I became doubtful and curious, thus my original post. Just shared my own research, everyone can judge for himself after, I have no interest whatsoever.

jbg said code for 1.4 will be available next week or so (who knows why not now, in a public branch other than master?).

As said, time will tell.
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February 08, 2018, 02:07:08 PM
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#prayforbryce
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February 15, 2018, 02:02:18 PM
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A quick update after a few weeks of my post:

- jbg promise to make 1.4 public: undone.
- active public development in the last 17 days: 1 commit
- proofs that jbg is actively working full-time: still none
- proofs that Bryce is actively working full-time or even exists: still none

I have been chatting with a few people, one told me that jbg said to him that he has 25 years of experience. This is not exaggerating anymore, this is lying.

Also jbg has disappeared from chat, he gave only a quick update saying 1.4 is on track for end of Feb. My guesstimate is that it will not happen, and if any 1.4 will happen, it will be very little work.

Price is also crashing.
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A quick update after a few weeks of my post:

- jbg promise to make 1.4 public: undone.
- active public development in the last 17 days: 1 commit
- proofs that jbg is actively working full-time: still none
- proofs that Bryce is actively working full-time or even exists: still none

I have been chatting with a few people, one told me that jbg said to him that he has 25 years of experience. This is not exaggerating anymore, this is lying.

Also jbg has disappeared from chat, he gave only a quick update saying 1.4 is on track for end of Feb. My guesstimate is that it will not happen, and if any 1.4 will happen, it will be very little work.

Price is also crashing.


Jbg is releasing 1.4 in Feb, it is Feb 15th. A bit early on your update.  

Jbg has been active everyday in discord, you are not. He has most certainly not disappeared. He gave an update about 1.4 being released on schedule at the end of this month 2 days ago. There are moderators such as myself who speak with him directly.

It does not matter whether brycl exists or not when releases are happening, perhaps he's trying to shift the blame on someone else for this controversial cryptocurrency which has illegal implemented tech and you are just too naive to understand why. Although this is not even the case as Bryce has spoken with the community.

The price is crashing? Look at chart and the Books on Cryptopia? The support barrier is at 15K stats (this was the previous all time high!) Im sorry you were stupid enough to buy at an All time high.

Stop bringing up your thread. Its dead.


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February 15, 2018, 03:59:52 PM
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Jbg is releasing 1.4 in Feb, it is Feb 15th. A bit early on your update.  
He said he was making the code of 1.4 public soon, and he didn't.

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Jbg has been active everyday in discord, you are not. He has most certainly not disappeared. He gave an update about 1.4 being released on schedule at the end of this month 2 days ago. There are moderators such as myself who speak with him directly.
false, to quote one moderator:
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yeah jbg has been a bit inactive the last few days, not sure what is wrong. Maybe he's still not feeling well
Maybe you should be a bit more active on discord Wink

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It does not matter whether brycl exists or not when releases are happening, perhaps he's trying to shift the blame on someone else for this controversial cryptocurrency which has illegal implemented tech and you are just too naive to understand why. Although this is not even the case as Bryce has spoken with the community.
Again, false, Bryce has never spoke with the community. Stop spreading misinformation, or bring some facts instead.

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The price is crashing? Look at chart and the Books on Cryptopia? The support barrier is at 15K stats (this was the previous all time high!) Im sorry you were stupid enough to buy at an All time high.

Mah, not sure this deserve even an answer.

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Stop bringing up your thread. Its dead.

So why are you replying  Huh
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February 15, 2018, 04:20:41 PM
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Jbg is releasing 1.4 in Feb, it is Feb 15th. A bit early on your update.  
He said he was making the code of 1.4 public soon, and he didn't.

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Jbg has been active everyday in discord, you are not. He has most certainly not disappeared. He gave an update about 1.4 being released on schedule at the end of this month 2 days ago. There are moderators such as myself who speak with him directly.
false, to quote one moderator:
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yeah jbg has been a bit inactive the last few days, not sure what is wrong. Maybe he's still not feeling well
Maybe you should be a bit more active on discord Wink

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It does not matter whether brycl exists or not when releases are happening, perhaps he's trying to shift the blame on someone else for this controversial cryptocurrency which has illegal implemented tech and you are just too naive to understand why. Although this is not even the case as Bryce has spoken with the community.
Again, false, Bryce has never spoke with the community. Stop spreading misinformation, or bring some facts instead.

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The price is crashing? Look at chart and the Books on Cryptopia? The support barrier is at 15K stats (this was the previous all time high!) Im sorry you were stupid enough to buy at an All time high.

Mah, not sure this deserve even an answer.

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Stop bringing up your thread. Its dead.

So why are you replying  Huh

Theres a green circle in Discord, this means online. JBG has been online and his last message was very positive.

Yes, Brycel did speak to the community, he is located in the Arctic. I know much more about this project than you. You are spreading misinformation.

Im replying to protect potential investors from people like yourself spreading misinformation about a wonderful project. Now that this information is published, those can interpret it as they wish. Good luck with your accusations. For the record you should grow some balls and post from the account you made your other failed scam accusations from.

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Yes, Brycel did speak to the community, he is located in the Arctic. I know much more about this project than you. You are spreading misinformation.

Bring some facts, and not what you mis-heard from people, and we can discuss on something. Otherwise you're just wasting your time, and bumping my dead thread Wink Thanks for that.
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Jbg is releasing 1.4 in Feb, it is Feb 15th. A bit early on your update.  
He said he was making the code of 1.4 public soon, and he didn't.

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Jbg has been active everyday in discord, you are not. He has most certainly not disappeared. He gave an update about 1.4 being released on schedule at the end of this month 2 days ago. There are moderators such as myself who speak with him directly.
false, to quote one moderator:
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yeah jbg has been a bit inactive the last few days, not sure what is wrong. Maybe he's still not feeling well
Maybe you should be a bit more active on discord Wink

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It does not matter whether brycl exists or not when releases are happening, perhaps he's trying to shift the blame on someone else for this controversial cryptocurrency which has illegal implemented tech and you are just too naive to understand why. Although this is not even the case as Bryce has spoken with the community.
Again, false, Bryce has never spoke with the community. Stop spreading misinformation, or bring some facts instead.

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The price is crashing? Look at chart and the Books on Cryptopia? The support barrier is at 15K stats (this was the previous all time high!) Im sorry you were stupid enough to buy at an All time high.

Mah, not sure this deserve even an answer.

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Stop bringing up your thread. Its dead.

So why are you replying  Huh

Theres a green circle in Discord, this means online. JBG has been online and his last message was very positive.

Yes, Brycel did speak to the community, he is located in the Arctic. I know much more about this project than you. You are spreading misinformation.

Im replying to protect potential investors from people like yourself spreading misinformation about a wonderful project. Now that this information is published, those can interpret it as they wish. Good luck with your accusations. For the record you should grow some balls and post from the account you made your other failed scam accusations from.

#prayforbryce
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February 15, 2018, 09:56:27 PM
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It does not matter whether brycl exists or not when releases are happening, perhaps he's trying to shift the blame on someone else for this controversial cryptocurrency which has illegal implemented tech and you are just too naive to understand why. Although this is not even the case as Bryce has spoken with the community.
Again, false, Bryce has never spoke with the community. Stop spreading misinformation, or bring some facts instead.

Hate to break it to you, but you are the one spreading the misinformation on this one.  I personally witnessed Bryce's interaction with the community, on Slack last year.  I know of only one instance where he was active on Slack, but he (or someone with his Slack account) definitely spoke with the community on at least one occasion.

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February 16, 2018, 07:47:25 AM
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Thanks for the clarification. I need to change "never" to "once in almost six months".
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Yes, Brycel did speak to the community, he is located in the Arctic.
Is he/she native to that country or moved somewhere else?
And do you mean "arctic" something like Alaska or Russia?
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Once jbg said that he was visiting Bryce in the Arctic.. but of course you need to trust what jbg says again Wink
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So, to the broken promises to make 1.4 code public soon on github, just to add a fact on this:


Fun he wrote I would have found that suspicious, and he didn't do anything for 21 days Smiley

We said time will tell, and time is starting telling things... I've got a few other screens of stuff that jbg said he would have done and he never did, will post soon, it's getting fun! Smiley


This guys looks ALOT (i mean a fucking LOT) like that Deep Onion guy, who has multiple accounts for FUDDING, and like to mislead people by starting and commenting ONLY to subjects related to XSPEC... kinda funny.. and sad..


This guy was pissed as fuck as there was no airdrop for XSPEC, and when people started to correct him on his behaviour he changed account...again haha
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February 20, 2018, 03:09:52 PM
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So, to the broken promises to make 1.4 code public soon on github, just to add a fact on this:


Fun he wrote I would have found that suspicious, and he didn't do anything for 21 days Smiley

We said time will tell, and time is starting telling things... I've got a few other screens of stuff that jbg said he would have done and he never did, will post soon, it's getting fun! Smiley
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This guys looks ALOT (i mean a fucking LOT) like that Deep Onion guy, who has multiple accounts for FUDDING, and like to mislead people by starting and commenting ONLY to subjects related to XSPEC... kinda funny.. and sad..


This guy was pissed as fuck as there was no airdrop for XSPEC, and when people started to correct him on his behaviour he changed account...again haha

If you read my replies carefully, you'll see that I gave shit to Deep Onion too.

But anyway, I don't care, think what you want, and you look like a guy who doesn't like facts Smiley
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#prayforbryce
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Since facts are important:

1. Yes version 1.4 is not out yet. So what? Fact is that several features planned for 1.4 were pulled into 1.3.5 AHEAD of schedule! As a result, 1.4 was pushed back to end of month. In my book, this is sound product release management.

2. A number of other projects have been using the code without crediting XSPEC (look at the wallet of TokenPay for instance). So just making small, interim commits goes counter to any business rational.

3. What counts in the dev is what he delivers. And the dev has devs have deliverd technically speaking a quite spectacular product. So whether he says he's the King of Persia or an alien from outerspace, is irrelevant. The output is what counts.
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Since facts are important:

1. Yes version 1.4 is not out yet. So what? Fact is that several features planned for 1.4 were pulled into 1.3.5 AHEAD of schedule! As a result, 1.4 was pushed back to end of month. In my book, this is sound product release management.

2. A number of other projects have been using the code without crediting XSPEC (look at the wallet of TokenPay for instance). So just making small, interim commits goes counter to any business rational.

3. What counts in the dev is what he delivers. And the dev has devs have deliverd technically speaking a quite spectacular product. So whether he says he's the King of Persia or an alien from outerspace, is irrelevant. The output is what counts.

You are totally right in your 3rd point, and that's one of the reason why I wrote the original post. One of the thing I am challenging about this project, that smells quite a lot in my personal opinion, is that the amount of work publicly produced does not justify 2 developers working full time. Have you got an idea of what 2 developers can produce in a full time week of work? In my opinion it's just another lie jpg is saying around (i.e. Bryce does not exist, he's not working full time on XSPEC), like his years of development experience.

On your first point, jbg said more than once that he would have put 1.4 public, and he has not. This means the code is publicly visible, but not released. It takes 2 seconds to do this (put the code in a separate public branch), and it would clear a lot doubts. Why he has promise to do this and he has not, even though it takes 2 seconds? I have my opinion on this Smiley

Also in my opinion releasing 1.4 will not be enough, you need to check if it contains the amount of work jbg has said it has, which need to justify months of development which cannot be seen happening in github between Jun/Feb. What happened from June to November and in February? From github almost nothing. Where are the proofs that he's actually delivering? Creating a release with a few code changes or library updates does not mean he's delivering. From what is publicly available on github, he's not delivering much.
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