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February 01, 2018, 11:22:03 PM
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I like to trade, so I do check the price regularly, and although I don't get emotional during my trades, I do get a little sad when I'm not trading and I have time to think about how the crypto markets react to fake news.

True facts:
Development
- Even though the lightning network is still in "beta", the number of LN nodes in the main net is increasing, and they have open channels running on them, with real transaction being made. (Check the number of nodes and channels in the Lightning Network in real time)
- Even if we disregard the LN (since it's still in beta), the fees are lower again, and the network is doing better (hopefully segwit will get more adoption, and exchanges like coinbase will batch their transactions, and BTC will be usable again, until LN is complete).
- Coinbase is finally making the implementation of segwit a development priority (Here)

Adoption
- Square Cash App now accepts BTC, so merchants that use it as a payment system will be able to accept BTC as payment.
- Robinhood will add BTC as well; Sberbank (on of the largest state banks in Russia) is planning on opening an exchange. So it will be easier to buy BTC
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips
- 50 Luxury Flats sold for Bitcoin In Dubai (Here)

Social
- A good article that gives us a glimpse on how our society could be after decentralization (Here) Thank you dado7 for sharing.

Regulation
- SEC and CFTC Hearing was positive (Here) and (Here)
- Arizona State passes a bill to allow it's citizens to pay their taxes with BTC (Here)
- Georgia follows Arizona lead (Here)
- Germany has said that they won’t tax Bitcoin users for consuming the cryptocurrency as a means of Payment (Here)

Posts with news from different areas
Check this post dado7, showing us some positive news from Venezuela from (Here)
Check this post u9y42 (Here). Bitcoin getting more private and having smart contracts? Yes please! And he also posts a cool link to check how LN nodes are evolving in the main net (very cool link). Finally, we seem to have a decentralized exchanges that will soon accept fiat. Amazing news! Thanks for sharing.

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
- China cracking mining... (just rumors, and probably fake). If mining was at risk do you think Samsung would get involved in mining?
- South Korea ban... (fake news, as I hope you all know already. They will only regulate it, probably using something similar to NY’s BitLicense link here)
- India making BTC illegal... (more fake news, they just said they want to crack down illegal activities that use bitcoin and not BTC itself)
- Facebook banning adds (actually a positive thing in my opinion, because it might help decrease the number of uninformed investors that enter the market, that click on those adds looking for profit, and then get scammed. We want investors with strong knowledge about Bitcoin and crypto, because those will not follow FUD or FOMO)


Bitcoin is evolving, we have real and positive news, and we have some bad fake news, or news that simply aren't relevant.
What do the markets do? They crash...

Help me fight the FUD, and post links with some positive news that you think are important for bitcoin, and help me fight FUD, by exposing fake news.
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its what it is. You gotta take the losses along with the highs. i hope the market stops selling. Just HODL
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February 01, 2018, 11:31:05 PM
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It's not FUD what is pushing bitcoin down.
It is damn high fees and people are looking for alternatives.

We all realize that all these are fud.
But inside that fud you can find some real news who you didn't share in your post for some reasons - steam and stripe. Do research and update post with more real news.
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February 01, 2018, 11:44:39 PM
Last edit: February 01, 2018, 11:55:10 PM by Bolt Brownie
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its what it is. You gotta take the losses along with the highs. i hope the market stops selling. Just HODL

I'm not having losses. Like I said I don't let emotions affect my trade. I know the market is crashing right now, so I separate things. I have bitcoin for long term (don't plan to trade or sell them, I intend to use them in the future), that are obviously outside exchanges, and I have a small amount of cash in exchanges. Since I know the market is on a down trend I keep those funds in all cash mode. This way I can buy dips like we had today, and then sell again for profit, so I actually increase my bankroll even if the market crashes.

This thread has nothing to do with trading. And although I already had some profit today (bought around $8500 and sold around $9k, so I got a 6% profit today), that doesn't mean I don't get sad with what is happening.

From a trading point of view, this is great, but I prefer bitcoin usability over trading opportunities, and that's why I get sad when I see these irrational behaviors.

It's not FUD what is pushing bitcoin down.
It is damn high fees and people are looking for alternatives.

We all realize that all these are fud.
But inside that fud you can find some real news who you didn't share in your post for some reasons - steam and stripe. Do research and update post with more real news.

Nope, that is mentioned in the news, and the fees argument is not valid for the market crash.
Fees are much lower now 36980 Unconfirmed Transactions just check https://blockchain.info/unconfirmed-transactions
We had almost 200k Unconfirmed Transactions and the price was actually rising at that time. So people didn't really care about that, so that is not the reason for the crash.

It's funny you mentioned steam. Did they offered an alternative? No... so they weren't' really serious about using crypto, and they removed it for some other reason. Unless they only believe in bitcoin, and they are waiting for the LN.

Also, thee fees would be much lower if coinbase and other exchanges just adopted segwit instead of doing inside trading with bcash, and batched their transactions. Do they do it? No... because they kind of enjoy lagging the network apparently.

EDIT: And yes, fees need to be lower, I will not argue with that, but that is not the reason for the crash, and the LN development news would actually fight that, if that was so important for the bitcoin price. BTC is in development, we all know that, so I don't think people would massive sell because of that. They got tired of waiting and decided to massive sell? I don't think so...
Also, they are getting alternatives?? How can you say that, if the hole crypto market is dumping. What alternatives are they buying into? xD
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February 01, 2018, 11:47:57 PM
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It's not FUD what is pushing bitcoin down.
It is damn high fees and people are looking for alternatives.

We all realize that all these are fud.
But inside that fud you can find some real news who you didn't share in your post for some reasons - steam and stripe. Do research and update post with more real news.
I don't think so. All these price crash started to happen when all those (fake) news went out and many people believe on that.
Of course it's true that bitcoin has this very high fees and it's not helping but I don't think it's enough reason for them to dump everything.
I somehow agree with Bolt Brownie and fighting FUD together will really help.

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February 02, 2018, 11:02:54 AM
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Ok, believe what you want to believe and I will believe what I want to believe.

Steam wasn't serious about crypto? No, they were, that is why they accept it. They removed it because of high fees.
Stripe? No comment, right?
They are going to remove bitcoin because of high fees.

Funny thing that you are mention network and 30K unconfirmed trasactions it is because people stop using bitcoin because of high fees.

Just few days ago we had 300K unconfirmed transactions and 1000 sat/byte fee, so yeah, it is not because of fees people are using alternatives, it is because of FUD. You can't seriously believe in that.
No one wants to pay 50$ for 10$ transaction.

Yeah, NOW fees are low.
Speaking of LN which is still in beta, I don't want to talk about unfinished products, but hopefully when they release it it will blow.

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Also, they are getting alternatives?? How can you say that, if the hole crypto market is dumping. What alternatives are they buying into? xD
Well, one thing lead to another.
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February 02, 2018, 03:24:53 PM
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- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
...

This is a misconception.

You can easily move the Bitcoin price by several hundred $ with 10M $ in bids.
Imagine what these Tether issuances of 50-100M $ could do. Some people also
suppose that many USDT are used for margin trading, which intensifies their effect
even more.

People believed that the 2017 bull run was due to good news like
the introduction of Bitcoin futures. If Tether would be exposed as a fraudulent
operation and people realize that the majority of the bull run was caused
by printing USDT that would set back Bitcoin for years.

You should also take a look at www.tetherreport.com and their work.

Especially this takeaway:
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Tether printing moves the market appreciably; 48.8% of BTC’s price rise in the period studied
occurred in the two-hour periods following the arrival of 91 different Tether grants to the Bitfinex wallet.

You shouldn´t underestimate the impact of Tether. It´s not just FUD.

However, I agree with your general post and I think you are definitely spot on
about the India, China and South Korea news.

Good post, I just happen to disagree on the Tether situation.


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February 02, 2018, 10:07:13 PM
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You shouldn´t underestimate the impact of Tether. It´s not just FUD.

However, I agree with your general post and I think you are definitely spot on
about the India, China and South Korea news.

Good post, I just happen to disagree on the Tether situation.


I don't really trust tether, and I never use it. Like I said I'm all cash on my trading bankroll right now, because we are on a down trend, and I mainly try to play oversold bounces, but I trade with real USD and not tether.

Since I don't trust tether, I don't understand how people sell BTC for tether. If they want a way out of tether, they should sell it for BTC instead.

As for margin trading I never do it because I think it's just suicide in crypto, since it's volatile enough in my opinion. But doesn't it just work almost like a "loan" from the exchanges? Exchanges just offer leverage, but in order to do that they need to have the funds and the price wont rise more than the actually tether in circulation (don't know I this statement was clear enough, but I don't know how to put it in a different way).

Steam wasn't serious about crypto? No, they were, that is why they accept it. They removed it because of high fees.
I do believe they removed it because of high fees. The thing is, if they are true about using crypto, why not offer an alternative? I would understand their move if they accepted another coin with low fees, instead of bitcoin. If they didn't, then the fees can't be the only reason. I'm just saying that.
You run a company and you want to offer crypto as a payment method. You give up BTC because the fees are high. Won't you offer a better alternative then, after you removed bitcoin? If you don't then you are saying that you don't believe in crypto (unless like I said they just trust bitcoin, and they are waiting for BTC to be usable again).

Stripe? No comment, right?
They are going to remove bitcoin because of high fees.
Sorry, I made no comment on this one, because I don't know Stripe. I will check it out. Anyway, if they make the same move as steem, then my answer will probably be the same. If they are serious about using crypto as a payment method, and they have problems with BTC because of high fees, then they need to accept another coin that has low fees and keep crypto support.

Funny thing that you are mention network and 30K unconfirmed trasactions it is because people stop using bitcoin because of high fees.

I hate the current fees, even now, that they are lower I still hate them. But I understand that BTC is in development so I will not just massive sell.
What I said was that when the fees were high, people were still crazy about BTC, and the price was increasing, so it didn't really matter to them, so the drop in price can't be fee related.

And again, I'm not defending fees. I don't like them, but it makes no sense to massive sell BTC because of that. People would simply hold BTC and wait for the LN. Why massive sell? It's irrational to do it because of fees.

And again, if the fees were the problem, they would sell BTC and buy an alternative. There are plenty of coins with low fees out there. Why aren't those pumping as the alternative to BTC? Simply, because the problem is not fee related. They are afraid that crypto might collapse, and become illegal, and be banned by governments etc. (so again, it's FUD related and not fee related.)
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Never forget; you don't loose anything unless you sell it ! 
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True facts:
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...


well I'm actually just interested in news about samsung going to make a chip that is specific to mining
this is good news because day by day the stock of high-end vga (RX series 560,570,580, Vega and GeForce series 1050,1060,1070 and 1080) is getting rare

besides that news about tether really impact on bitcoin price but it actually does not only affect the bitcoin but also affects all altcoins
that's why I sold all my tether and bought ethereum

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well I'm actually just interested in news about samsung going to make a chip that is specific to mining
this is good news because day by day the stock of high-end vga (RX series 560,570,580, Vega and GeForce series 1050,1060,1070 and 1080) is getting rare

besides that news about tether really impact on bitcoin price but it actually does not only affect the bitcoin but also affects all altcoins
that's why I sold all my tether and bought ethereum

I think you are doing the right thing about tether. I think that is the most rational decision for people that don't trust them. I personally think there are some shady things going on, and I doubt they are doing a 1:1 ratio between tether and dollar. On best case scenario, they would be partial holding the funds investing by users. It's what banks do, so although it should work and it wont probably collapse, I still think it's a bad option to hold tether, so selling them for crypto is the best choice, and that's why I think it's stupid to see prices dropping because of this issue.
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The fees are lower because the  number of transactions on the BTC network decreased by nearly 50% compared to 1 month ago
https://blockchain.info/charts/transactions-per-second?daysAverageString=7&timespan=60days

1 block per 10 minutes = 144 blocks mined per day However in January we got over 160 blocks mined daily, for an unknown reason to me

And recently, more and more people have now started to use payments in batch, native segwit, dynamic fee estimation as described here some days ago https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Techniques_to_reduce_transaction_fees&action=history

As for Cash App and Robinhood, I have nothing to say other than LOL

I think the community is used now with the fake news, and people outside the crypto community are also used with fake news. The problem is media that don't understand what news they got (high-quality standard in journalism in 2018)

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February 05, 2018, 02:48:37 PM
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I like to trade, so I do check the price regularly, and although I don't get emotional during my trades, I do get a little sad when I'm not trading and I have time to think about how the crypto markets react to fake news.

True facts:
- Even though the lightning network is still in "beta", the number of LN nodes in the main net is increasing, and they have open channels running on them, with real transaction being made.
- Even if we disregard the LN (since it's still in beta), the fees are lower again, and the network is doing better (hopefully segwit will get more adoption, and exchanges like coinbase will batch their transactions, and BTC will be usable again, until LN is complete).
- Square Cash App now accepts BTC, so merchants that use it as a payment system will be to accept BTC as payment.
- Robinhood will add BTC as well; Sberbank (on of the largest state banks in Russia) is planning on opening an exchange. So it will be easier to buy BTC
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips
- We already have some stores accepting BTC as payment. Check this thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2847823.0 (thank you gambitcoin53 for posting that)

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
- China cracking mining... (just rumors, and probably fake). If mining was at risk do you think Samsung would get involved in mining?
- South Korea ban... (fake news, as I hope you all know already)
- India making BTC illegal... (more fake news, they just said they want to crack down illegal activities that use bitcoin and not BTC itself)



Bitcoin is evolving, we have real and positive news, and we have some bad fake news, or news that simply aren't relevant.
What do the markets do? They crash...

Help me fight the FUD, and post links with some positive news that you think are important for bitcoin, and help me fight FUD, by exposing fake news.

I think we should be at large scale if we really want to fight these FUD. Fake news are uncontrollable specially if the audience are being too lazy to read the whole content of the article which are mostly BIG HEADLINES that CAPTURE THEIR ATTENTIONS of the readers. This would stir the fear which happening  right now in the crypto world.


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February 05, 2018, 03:04:02 PM
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And recently, more and more people have now started to use payments in batch, native segwit, dynamic fee estimation as described here some days ago https://en.bitcoin.it/w/index.php?title=Techniques_to_reduce_transaction_fees&action=history

And these are good news in my opinion. I do believe that most of the transactions are made by exchanges, so they really need to optimize the way they do this. Even without the LN there is no reason for the fees to be this high (even now, after they decreased a bit), so exchanges need to use segwit and batch transactions.

As for Cash App and Robinhood, I have nothing to say other than LOL
Maybe this is nothing special, but this is still a way for more people to get easy access to crypto, so I find those good news. Right now the majority of "investors" uses exchanges, that seem to be almost sabotaging crypto (by not batching tx and no using segwit), so if these new ways of buying crypto offer a good alternative to coinbase etc, then I find them good news.

I think the community is used now with the fake news, and people outside the crypto community are also used with fake news. The problem is media that don't understand what news they got (high-quality standard in journalism in 2018)

I think we should be at large scale if we really want to fight these FUD. Fake news are uncontrollable specially if the audience are being too lazy to read the whole content of the article which are mostly BIG HEADLINES that CAPTURE THEIR ATTENTIONS of the readers. This would stir the fear which happening  right now in the crypto world.

The community might be used to fake news, and I do believe that those users are not responsible for the bloodbath we are currently seeing, but the new "investors" that don't really understand crypto are somewhat responsible for what is happening. I'm not obsessed with the price, like I said before I have bitcoin for long term, and I'm waiting for adoption and real use cases for them, and I have a cash bankroll just for trading. But it's still sad to see these coordinated FUD attacks. They can't last for long though, but if we can fight them, I think we should. So if you have some good news, please share them.
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Please correct the subject, you wrote "toguether" instead of "together".

I would like to argue about Tether a little bit. From the technical point of view, it is possible that it is driving the price up. They can issue Tether on account of "keeping its value" and then use it to buy Bitcoin, this drives other people to buy Bitcoin and it drives the price up in series.

However, Tether is rather unimportant and considering Bitcoins total market cap compared to its, its potential crash shouldn't pose a threat for Bitcoin value, technically. Problem is that not everything is in mathematics and technicalities, we have to take human behavior and marketing into account. Unfortunately. We can help by starting to explain that technically - Tether is not a threat for Bitcoin. It's like saying that the fly hitting against an elephant is a threat for the elephant.

About positivities - you could add this article:
https://medium.com/@matteozago/why-the-web-3-0-matters-and-you-should-know-about-it-a5851d63c949
I stumbled upon it today and I think that the title is rather devaluing it - it is not really just about the web 3.0, but society 3.0.

Everybody should understand the strength of blockchain and smart contracts, it is a tool like no other before it.




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Thanks for the post and the title correction (it's done).
I'm think we have the same views in tether, and yes I agree with you, technically it should be unimportant, but there is the impact of human behavior that will be reflected in the markets. This is the main problem with crypto markets in my opinion. Since they are dominated by retail investors, that most of the times don't analyze their investments as hey should, end up showing irrational behavior because they lack the knowledge to do better.

As for the article you've submitted it's really well written and clearly takes a good picture of what the future might have in store for us, and it looks great, so yes, I will add that link to the "good news", even though it's not a consumed fact (but then again, bitcoin is also in development, so it makes perfect sense).

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fake news is made by people who really hate bitcoin, or they just want to make people panic so they can buy bitcoin at a very low price, I sure hope this change in the near future, I really hate seeing my tokens in red.
As of the moment, I am avoiding to check the market because it made me sad if I see my token at red, So I think i will hold my token until the end of the year and I will see what happens.
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It's a fact, people react to fast on FUD and sell as they can, which causes the price to go down. So, yes, the FUD did do a lot of damage and it looks like it's been orchestrated. Or it must have been a coincidence, all the negative news coming at the same time. But It's also true that the price is manipulated, be it not bitfinex, then it must be whales with pump and dump groups.

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You should list Facebook ads ban in the FUD section. For me, it is a totally unimportant thing, but people are panicking over that too.
I already made a comment about that so here is the link instead of repeating it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2860711.msg29658938#msg29658938

About anti-FUD, look at this document: https://www.banking.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/a5e72ac6-4f8a-473f-9c9c-e2894573d57d/BF62433A09A9B95A269A29E1FF13D2BA.clayton-testimony-2-6-18.pdf
From what I can read out - Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is speaking favorably about accepting the technology of Blockchain (read conclusion), he only suggests caution and regulation. It is always about regulation, which is a good thing, nobody ever seriously proposed a ban.

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Yes we should all support bitcoin together because I see many people are spreading negativity about btc that is not good anyway. Negativity affects the btc value it cause fear in new traders but those who are doing trading professionally they are calm because they know market  moves both side and when market rose aggressively market makes correction too after rise so it's the time to hold rather than sell. But always calculate your risk.

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Yes we should all support bitcoin together because I see many people are spreading negativity about btc that is not good anyway. Negativity affects the btc value it cause fear in new traders but those who are doing trading professionally they are calm because they know market  moves both side and when market rose aggressively market makes correction too after rise so it's the time to hold rather than sell. But always calculate your risk.

From a traders point of view the market is fine. Volatility is what traders like, and if they are good and have good strategies they can cope with everything that is happening. I would like to fight FUD not from a trader perspective, but from a usability perspective. I want to use bitcoin when it's ready for that, and not just trade it.

You should list Facebook ads ban in the FUD section. For me, it is a totally unimportant thing, but people are panicking over that too.
I already made a comment about that so here is the link instead of repeating it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2860711.msg29658938#msg29658938

I really didn't saw Facebook banning adds as bad news. It should actually have a positive effect for the crypto markets. I read your post, and you said it yourself, you don't even click or look to those adds. I usually do the same, but there are plenty of people that actually get themselves lured by the possibility of fast profit, and might click on those adds, and support bad ICOs (just look at bitconnect for example). So by banning these adds, I expect that the number of uniformed investors that comes into the market, that are only driven by FUD or FOMO, will decrease, and that is good for crypto in the long term, as it will get more stable, because people investing in it are more informed.

About anti-FUD, look at this document: https://www.banking.senate.gov/public/_cache/files/a5e72ac6-4f8a-473f-9c9c-e2894573d57d/BF62433A09A9B95A269A29E1FF13D2BA.clayton-testimony-2-6-18.pdf
From what I can read out - Chairman of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission is speaking favorably about accepting the technology of Blockchain (read conclusion), he only suggests caution and regulation. It is always about regulation, which is a good thing, nobody ever seriously proposed a ban.

Thank for the article, this is actually great news, and I guess that the markets are already reacting positively on this. I completely agree with him, evolution shouldn't be stopped, and crypto is important for us. We must regulate them of course, specially because uninformed investors act irrationally, and can be easily scammed.

Another good news I will add (regarding coinbase finally making implementing segwit as a priority)
https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbase-crypto-exchange-to-roll-out-long-awaited-segwit-upgrade-in-few-weeks

I would say things are looking good for crypto future!
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From a traders point of view the market is fine. Volatility is what traders like, and if they are good and have good strategies they can cope with everything that is happening. I would like to fight FUD not from a trader perspective, but from a usability perspective. I want to use bitcoin when it's ready for that, and not just trade it.

You should list Facebook ads ban in the FUD section. For me, it is a totally unimportant thing, but people are panicking over that too.
I already made a comment about that so here is the link instead of repeating it: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2860711.msg29658938#msg29658938

I really didn't saw Facebook banning adds as bad news. It should actually have a positive effect for the crypto markets. I read your post, and you said it yourself, you don't even click or look to those adds. I usually do the same, but there are plenty of people that actually get themselves lured by the possibility of fast profit, and might click on those adds, and support bad ICOs (just look at bitconnect for example). So by banning these adds, I expect that the number of uniformed investors that comes into the market, that are only driven by FUD or FOMO, will decrease, and that is good for crypto in the long term, as it will get more stable, because people investing in it are more informed.

I apologize, I must have got it wrong. So you are just listing "negative" things on the off side.... I thought you are listing FUD and debunking it as well. That was my intention with this info.

No biggie about the article, I will keep letting you know about anything substantial I encounter. My good friend posted about Segwit today, so I already knew about it - those are fantastic news, yet something I expected to happen within a month or two.... happened a little bit earlier, but I won't be mad about it Smiley


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I apologize, I must have got it wrong. So you are just listing "negative" things on the off side.... I thought you are listing FUD and debunking it as well. That was my intention with this info.

No biggie about the article, I will keep letting you know about anything substantial I encounter. My good friend posted about Segwit today, so I already knew about it - those are fantastic news, yet something I expected to happen within a month or two.... happened a little bit earlier, but I won't be mad about it Smiley


No, you are completely correct, and I actually listed the Facebook news about the ban on the list as well. For some reason I thought you were saying that Facebook add ban was bad for bitcoin because of the ban, and not because of the FUD it was generating (no idea why I thought that though). I was just stating my personal opinion about that, but I guess that we have the same opinion, or at least we both consider that as FUD. It is there already, and do keep posting more news as you encounter them.
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No, you are completely correct, and I actually listed the Facebook news about the ban on the list as well. For some reason I thought you were saying that Facebook add ban was bad for bitcoin because of the ban, and not because of the FUD it was generating (no idea why I thought that though). I was just stating my personal opinion about that, but I guess that we have the same opinion, or at least we both consider that as FUD. It is there already, and do keep posting more news as you encounter them.

OK, thank you. I think that Facebook add case is a typical example of a totally unnecessary FUD.

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I used to work in communications on Wall Street....and I can tell you 100% that whenever the "fud" (we didn't call it that) would roll out in such a loud and coordinated way, it meant you better be buying or ready to buy. Someone, or many someones, were simply trying to push down the price and then boom, it all disappeared and whichever issue that had been shit on absolutely rallied.

The fud is a sign we're actually in the right place.
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I used to work in communications on Wall Street....and I can tell you 100% that whenever the "fud" (we didn't call it that) would roll out in such a loud and coordinated way, it meant you better be buying or ready to buy. Someone, or many someones, were simply trying to push down the price and then boom, it all disappeared and whichever issue that had been shit on absolutely rallied.

The fud is a sign we're actually in the right place.

Thanks for sharing anyways, Yes we're in the right place and in the right time. I'm very bullish in cryptocurrencies The FUD is good to have an healthy correction. I bought in DIp and i feel insanely good that the price will go up in the next few days.

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yeah the fud that spreaded made bitcoin price go down.
if we can fight the fud, bitcoin and other crypto price will increase.
dont reply on the FUD thread, let it sink.
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I used to work in communications on Wall Street....and I can tell you 100% that whenever the "fud" (we didn't call it that) would roll out in such a loud and coordinated way, it meant you better be buying or ready to buy. Someone, or many someones, were simply trying to push down the price and then boom, it all disappeared and whichever issue that had been shit on absolutely rallied.

The fud is a sign we're actually in the right place.

Thanks for sharing anyways, Yes we're in the right place and in the right time. I'm very bullish in cryptocurrencies The FUD is good to have an healthy correction. I bought in DIp and i feel insanely good that the price will go up in the next few days.


Well the thing is that bitcoin is not suppose to be just a financial asset. I know that right now BTC is mainly used for trade, and all the speculation that results in fud and fomo is great for trading because of the huge price variations it causes. But like I said in the OP, even though I trade, I would gladly give up trading, if it would result in a stable coin that we can use for normal purchases. That is the main goal of bitcoin, and I hope it achieves it. And for that goal, the fud and speculation don't help.

Anyway it seems we are fud-less period right now, which is good, and I have two more good news to add to the list.
Nothing really special, but it shows that BTC is still being used for purchases (this time to buy apartments), and that the US is slowly sending positive signs towards crypto (like the Arizona state passing a bill that will allow it's citizens to pay taxes with bitcoin). Like I said it's nothing special, because the state will have to sell the BTC in a 24h period, but it's still positive.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/a-pair-of-british-entrepreneurs-sold-50-luxury-flats-for-bitcoin-in-dubai (apartments sale)
https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-arizona-senate-passes-bill-to-allow-tax-payments-in-bitcoin (Arizona passing a bill to allow it's citizens to pay their taxes with BTC)
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February 12, 2018, 06:12:53 PM
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U know my surrounding doesnt spread FUD and I really dont know who can talk trash about BTC.
Anyway, there're those who does it so ur suggestion takes place.

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It's not FUD what is pushing bitcoin down.
It is damn high fees and people are looking for alternatives.

We all realize that all these are fud.
But inside that fud you can find some real news who you didn't share in your post for some reasons - steam and stripe. Do research and update post with more real news.
I think both are to be blamed on this scenario, no one wants pay unreasonable fees for transaction and the fud makes people sell their bitcoins because they know that if they don’t it’s goi to go down which drives it even deeper.
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It's not FUD what is pushing bitcoin down.
It is damn high fees and people are looking for alternatives.

We all realize that all these are fud.
But inside that fud you can find some real news who you didn't share in your post for some reasons - steam and stripe. Do research and update post with more real news.
No.Actually the fees have gone very low nowadays and transactions too get processed very soon.Its the FUD which  has brought down the market.Actually what's the reality is that bitcoin market has both positive and negative news and what makes the difference is that negative news are over focused to create FUD.
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I used to work in communications on Wall Street....and I can tell you 100% that whenever the "fud" (we didn't call it that) would roll out in such a loud and coordinated way, it meant you better be buying or ready to buy. Someone, or many someones, were simply trying to push down the price and then boom, it all disappeared and whichever issue that had been shit on absolutely rallied.

The fud is a sign we're actually in the right place.

This is an ingenious tip, thank you mammothine.

@Bolt Brownie, check this thread:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2912407.new#new
It appears that Arizona is about to accept Bitcoin for tax payments. A fantastic news, in case they are true.

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Due to the hundreds of FUDs that are being spread widely across all the social media networks, on various forums, and even on blogs all throughout the internet, bitcoins along with all the other altcoins out there here in the crypto world are being dragged down to its knees. Although there really is nothing to worry about since losing weak handed people are great for the overall of the crypto world, it still is a quite a big problem. Because clearly, it will reduce the number of people getting into the crypto scene. And even if it wouldn't stop the cryptos from moving forward in terms of acceptance and value, it will really slow it down. Which is not that bad but still bad.


But anyways, it is really refreshing to see something positive like this every once in a while in this sea of FUDs. So thanks for this man, it is not only great to see but also well explained. You deserve a merit for this one, so I'll be giving you some. Hoping to see more posts from you.
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Here goes another one. A double world record holder gets paid in cryptocurrency.
https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/10/sport/crypto-speedskater-ted-jan-bloemen-winter-olympics-intl/index.html

Quote: #Canadian speed skater Ted-Jan Bloemen recently became the first athlete to be paid in virtual money when he struck a one-year sponsorship deal with ONG Social, a social network and crypto community, and CEEK VR, a developer of virtual reality experiences.#

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FUDs are merely one of the negative factors affecting the price movement of the bitcoin. The leading cryptocurrency is becoming sensitive to any negative news against it and it can cause some drops on its price. Some fud news can also turn people into panic-selling. Another factors are the high transaction fee and the massive profit-taking during important holidays that are celebrated around the world.
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@xaviervilla Thanks man, I really appreciate that. I really like bitcoin and crypto in general, and all this fud attacks were really bothering me. I'm not a "follower" and I think crypto in general deserves some critics, which are perfectly normal since it's a "live" and "evolving" technology, but seeing being hut by fake new is just wrong. Glad you are enjoying this initiative.

Please do share some news you that you consider positive, and expose some fake news, or news that you believe are having a negative impact on crypto, that is way bigger than it should.

@dado7 Thank you for your links again. I already had the one related to the Arizona State on the list, and do find the one related to the Winter Olympics quite positive as well, even though it is an isolated event. It seems crypto is having a good entry in the Olympics (also found this (article)), where a team promised to include bitcoin logos depending on how much they would get from their fund raising campaign in bitcoin.

I will not add them, just because they are "isolated" events, and I do believe that bitcoin already hit mainstream adoptions in terms of awareness, so although they are positive news, I don't think they will have a major impact on bitcoin image. Still worth mentioning though, and I enjoyed reading them, so thanks for sharing.

I found another one today, related to south Korean regulation. I had already talked about it in the "fud" list of the post, but I had no article linked to it, so I will link this one there. It seems they might "copy" the NY’s BitLicense, in order to regulate their own exchanges. Nothing final, as they will wait until the elections in the country take place, that should happen in June. Here is the (article))
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Did you see the latest news?
Venezuela adopted all cryptocurrencies as legal tender:
http://www.laht.com/article.asp…
https://news.bitcoin.com/venezuela-orders-government-servi…/
https://www.btcnn.com/venezuela-go-full-crypto-coins-accep…/

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Why fight the FUD? This is a great opportunity to buy bitcoin and altcoins cheaply. If people can't to distinguish  the real news from FUD, that's their problem.
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I like to trade, so I do check the price regularly, and although I don't get emotional during my trades, I do get a little sad when I'm not trading and I have time to think about how the crypto markets react to fake news.

True facts:
- Even though the lightning network is still in "beta", the number of LN nodes in the main net is increasing, and they have open channels running on them, with real transaction being made.
- Even if we disregard the LN (since it's still in beta), the fees are lower again, and the network is doing better (hopefully segwit will get more adoption, and exchanges like coinbase will batch their transactions, and BTC will be usable again, until LN is complete).
- Square Cash App now accepts BTC, so merchants that use it as a payment system will be able to accept BTC as payment.
- Robinhood will add BTC as well; Sberbank (on of the largest state banks in Russia) is planning on opening an exchange. So it will be easier to buy BTC
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips
- We already have some stores accepting BTC as payment. (Check this thread). Thank you gambitcoin53 for posting that.
- A good article that gives us a glimpse on how our society could be after decentralization (Here) Thank you dado7 for sharing.
- Coinbase is finally making the implementation of segwit a development priority (Here)
- SEC and CFTC Hearing was positive (Here) and (Here)
- 50 Luxury Flats sold for Bitcoin In Dubai (Here)
- Arizona State passes a bill to allow it's citizens to pay their taxes with BTC (Here)

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
- China cracking mining... (just rumors, and probably fake). If mining was at risk do you think Samsung would get involved in mining?
- South Korea ban... (fake news, as I hope you all know already. They will only regulate it, probably using something similar to NY’s BitLicense link here)
- India making BTC illegal... (more fake news, they just said they want to crack down illegal activities that use bitcoin and not BTC itself)
- Facebook banning adds (actually a positive thing in my opinion, because it might help decrease the number of uninformed investors that enter the market, that click on those adds looking for profit, and then get scammed. We want investors with strong knowledge about Bitcoin and crypto, because those will not follow FUD or FOMO)


Bitcoin is evolving, we have real and positive news, and we have some bad fake news, or news that simply aren't relevant.
What do the markets do? They crash...

Help me fight the FUD, and post links with some positive news that you think are important for bitcoin, and help me fight FUD, by exposing fake news.

Yeah, I will also support your suggestion if i have also discover about false news which is addressing in bitcoin situations i will send you immediately a link. So that we can protect and fight this FUD which is the main goals is to crack down the bitcoin into bad situations. Lets fights it together in order to eliminates this FUD against bitcoin.

  

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Please correct the subject, you wrote "toguether" instead of "together".

I would like to argue about Tether a little bit. From the technical point of view, it is possible that it is driving the price up. They can issue Tether on account of "keeping its value" and then use it to buy Bitcoin, this drives other people to buy Bitcoin and it drives the price up in series.

However, Tether is rather unimportant and considering Bitcoins total market cap compared to its, its potential crash shouldn't pose a threat for Bitcoin value, technically. Problem is that not everything is in mathematics and technicalities, we have to take human behavior and marketing into account. Unfortunately. We can help by starting to explain that technically - Tether is not a threat for Bitcoin. It's like saying that the fly hitting against an elephant is a threat for the elephant.

About positivities - you could add this article:
https://medium.com/@matteozago/why-the-web-3-0-matters-and-you-should-know-about-it-a5851d63c949
I stumbled upon it today and I think that the title is rather devaluing it - it is not really just about the web 3.0, but society 3.0.

Everybody should understand the strength of blockchain and smart contracts, it is a tool like no other before it.




Yes you are absolutely correct. I do like your explanations. It is so true that we  must also consider our own observation and our human instinct. We must not directly jump into conclusions.
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Thanks a lot for these articles. I hadn't seen them yet, and they surely look quite positive. They say that because of this, Venezuela is now the first country to recognize crypto-coins as a legal coin, but I actually thought Japan already did it, since they recognize bitcoin as legal tender. I guess those are different things.

Anyway thank you for the links as usual, they have been quite helpful and informative. I will link them to the OP.

I actually have two I would like to share. One is just a confirmation that Coinbase is finally going to integrate segwit, but now it seems that is definetely coming, since they say they are done with the tests, and it should happen in the next weeks. I also enjoyed reading that they will be committed to integrate LN as well, as soon as it's possible, because in a few months back, I heard that they wouldn't be able to do it, because of licenses.
Here is the link: https://cointelegraph.com/news/coinbases-gdax-exchange-introduces-full-segwit-support

The next one, is just a follow through. We saw recently that the Arizona state was possibly going to accept crypto as a form to pay taxes, and now Arizona state is doing the same as well. In the article they say that maybe this is not a good thing, in terms of taxes itself, but I do think it's a good think in terms of recognizing BTC as a payment method, and that is important.

Here is the link: https://cointelegraph.com/news/us-georgia-next-state-in-line-to-accept-crypto-for-taxes-licenses
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Today I came across another article damning the Bitcoin fees titled "Is Bitcoin getting better, and for five year-olds?"

What ticks me off about that is we just had news earlier this week about SegWit adoption across exchanges and more and more people adding Lightning network nodes. Clearly Bitcoin is still making progress but for some reason those authors are giving up on it.
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Today I came across another article damning the Bitcoin fees titled "Is Bitcoin getting better, and for five year-olds?"

What ticks me off about that is we just had news earlier this week about SegWit adoption across exchanges and more and more people adding Lightning network nodes. Clearly Bitcoin is still making progress but for some reason those authors are giving up on it.

Although I didn't read the article, because you forgot to post the link, I would say that is probably a fud article or at least an attempt to keep people uninformed (at least if it's a recent one). Fees can get a lot lower of course, but it's just stupid to complain about the fees right now, because they are very low right now, specially if we compare them to where they were a few months back. We now have 7681 Unconfirmed Transactions (by the time of this post), so the pool is practically empty, meaning that fees should be low.

With segwit adoption, we will get even better, so complaining about fees doesn't make any sense right now.
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Hmm, maybe you could add a couple of these to the "positive news" category:



EDIT: ah, I see the bit about Georgia was already mentioned. Smiley
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Hi u9y42 thanks for sharing. I was aware of the pizza news, and it's quite interesting because of the "history" and "mean" it carries. I do hope that this is comes back to us in a few years from now, just like the purchase of the other two pizzas for 10k bitcoin did.

I need to see the rest of the links carefully, but I don't quite have the time right now, so I didn't add anything to the main post yet. I did check the link with the number of nodes and channels in the Lightning Network in real time, and that was pretty cool. I will definitely add that one for sure. Thanks for sharing!
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oh yes lets fight FUD as they call bad news around here and we can start with
https://www.rt.com/business/419901-satoshi-sued-cryptocurrency-theft/

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Craig Wright, the man who claimed to be the inventor of bitcoin, has been sued for stealing $5 billion worth of cryptocurrency from his business partner.
Wright, who claimed in 2016 that he had created bitcoin under the pseudonym Satoshi Nakamoto, has allegedly participated in a joint bitcoin-mining venture with the now-deceased IT consultant, Dave Kleiman.

And then move on to the Lightning Network being a system of banker hubs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g

Tell me OP was you not telling people to "Buy on the Dip" when Bitcoin was last at $18,000 because a lot of that
type of FUD was flying around here last month you know.
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FUD is everywhere and you can fight it by not believing it instantly. There are many eye-catching headlines that makes people readily turn their attention. FUD, as we already know is a kind of disinformation strategy to influence perception by dessiminating negative or false information to spread fear and confusion. Better to read the whole story rather than the headlines first will make things clear. If the story is dubious, verify its source.

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before trusting fud, we better find the right reference so as not to get trapped by that fud.because in futures will more and more fud that will informed in market.

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February 27, 2018, 12:15:47 PM
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We can never stop fud there will always be reasons why people want to demonise bitcoin but their main motivation will be to protect their own interests in fiat.

I'm sure many well off investors would have taken the opportunity to buy in the last couple of months with a dip. The only thing that we can do is to not believe the FUD until there is serious backup to statements.

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FUD is the principle reason of the bitcoin crash. As we have seen bitcoin price has hugely decreased from 20k to 10k  fud is one of those reasons so we should stop acting this way..

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I like to trade, so I do check the price regularly, and although I don't get emotional during my trades, I do get a little sad when I'm not trading and I have time to think about how the crypto markets react to fake news.

True facts:
- Even though the lightning network is still in "beta", the number of LN nodes in the main net is increasing, and they have open channels running on them, with real transaction being made.
- Even if we disregard the LN (since it's still in beta), the fees are lower again, and the network is doing better (hopefully segwit will get more adoption, and exchanges like coinbase will batch their transactions, and BTC will be usable again, until LN is complete).
- Square Cash App now accepts BTC, so merchants that use it as a payment system will be able to accept BTC as payment.
- Robinhood will add BTC as well; Sberbank (on of the largest state banks in Russia) is planning on opening an exchange. So it will be easier to buy BTC
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips
- We already have some stores accepting BTC as payment. (Check this thread). Thank you gambitcoin53 for posting that.
- A good article that gives us a glimpse on how our society could be after decentralization (Here) Thank you dado7 for sharing.
- Coinbase is finally making the implementation of segwit a development priority (Here)
- SEC and CFTC Hearing was positive (Here) and (Here)
- 50 Luxury Flats sold for Bitcoin In Dubai (Here)
- Arizona State passes a bill to allow it's citizens to pay their taxes with BTC (Here)
Check this post dado7, showing us some positive news from Venezuela from (Here)

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
- China cracking mining... (just rumors, and probably fake). If mining was at risk do you think Samsung would get involved in mining?
- South Korea ban... (fake news, as I hope you all know already. They will only regulate it, probably using something similar to NY’s BitLicense link here)
- India making BTC illegal... (more fake news, they just said they want to crack down illegal activities that use bitcoin and not BTC itself)
- Facebook banning adds (actually a positive thing in my opinion, because it might help decrease the number of uninformed investors that enter the market, that click on those adds looking for profit, and then get scammed. We want investors with strong knowledge about Bitcoin and crypto, because those will not follow FUD or FOMO)


Bitcoin is evolving, we have real and positive news, and we have some bad fake news, or news that simply aren't relevant.
What do the markets do? They crash...

Help me fight the FUD, and post links with some positive news that you think are important for bitcoin, and help me fight FUD, by exposing fake news.
Bitcoin is a breakthrough technology. But it needs improvement so that it is not left behind. Any ideas on this?  Huh
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February 27, 2018, 01:34:28 PM
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before trusting fud, we better find the right reference so as not to get trapped by that fud.because in futures will more and more fud that will informed in market.

That's not going to be entirely possible since many people would only have to hear a headline before panicking. It would be nice if all btc holders would take the time to study their investments first but fud can spread like wildfire because people are not educated enough.

 
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We can never stop fud there will always be reasons why people want to demonise bitcoin but their main motivation will be to protect their own interests in fiat.

That knife cuts both ways remember and here the edge has been blunted on one side of the blade using a system of
censorship and bans on account with a loaded system of merits.

Take a look here for example for a dose of reality
https://www.rt.com/business/419901-satoshi-sued-cryptocurrency-theft/
or maybe here https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-02-27/self-proclaimed-bitcoin-inventor-craig-wright-sued-5-billion

Lets fight the FUD together sounds more like "Lets fight the FUD truth together" if you care to take on board
what others are saying on sites that are not dedicated to promoting Bitcoin

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February 28, 2018, 02:00:56 PM
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oh yes lets fight FUD as they call bad news around here and we can start with
https://www.rt.com/business/419901-satoshi-sued-cryptocurrency-theft/


Thanks for spamming the same information 3 times on the same day. I don't really see how that piece of information affects bitcoin in any way.
Craig Wright is not a bitcoin supporter for a long time. He is known in the community as the "fake Satoshi", and I guess that says a lot about him. Also, we all know he wanted to go for the segwit2x, so like I said, he parted ways with bitcoin a long time ago, and just follows his own personal interests.

And then move on to the Lightning Network being a system of banker hubs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYHFrf5ci_g

For this I suggest you to see this videos from Andreas. For me it makes much more sense what he is saying, but maybe you think differently. You have the right to your opinion of course.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4TjfaLgzj4

Tell me OP was you not telling people to "Buy on the Dip" when Bitcoin was last at $18,000 because a lot of that
type of FUD was flying around here last month you know.

Lets fight the FUD together sounds more like "Lets fight the FUD truth together" if you care to take on board
what others are saying on sites that are not dedicated to promoting Bitcoin

I don't really recall saying that, and it doesn't really seem like something I would say, because I don't follow FOMO either. I gather information, and I make my own decisions. I believe in bitcoin potencial, and I buy more every time I can. I don't usually tell people to buy it based on price, because I don't want soft hands on the market. I tell people to learn it's fundamentals, and then decide what they want to do. That's how investment should be done.

As for "FUD = truth" like you said... well you have the right to your opinion. A lot of the news presented in this thread, on the FUD section are just plain fake. Others don't influence bitcoin in my opinion. People can read it and think for themselves. That's all I want.

Thanks for sharing your links.
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You cannot control FUD thing it is part of crypto industry to take advantage of weak ones and newbies. Accept the fact that only giant investors can control the market

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I agree. There is enough fud coming from the media and corporations as it is.
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FUD is all over the place and you can battle it by not trusting it right away. There are numerous eye-getting features that makes individuals promptly turn their consideration. FUD, as we definitely know is a sort of disinformation methodology to impact observation by scattering negative or false data to spread dread and disarray. Better to peruse the entire story as opposed to the features first will make things clear. On the off chance that the story is questionable, check its source.
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I see some people complaining about high fees, care to explain this : https://unblock.net/bitcoin-adoption-soars-africa-wake-increasingly-volatile-fiat-currencies/ <They are mostly 3rd world, so high fees will influence them more>

We are even faster than SWIFT, Credit cards and Western Union - https://crypto.bi/tape/blog/ccs-swift/

Do you know that your cup of Coffee will be Tax Free in Germany? - https://www.coindesk.com/germany-considers-crypto-legal-equivalent-to-fiat-for-tax-purposes/

Funny thing is, SegWit adoption is only at between 30% to 40% at the moment and we are already flying! Weeeeeeeeee.  Wink

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March 01, 2018, 05:40:45 AM
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the problem is you can never fight FUD. the effort needed to debunk a well crafter FUD is a lot more than people can afford to put in. you will end up spending all your time all day long fighting the FUD and then a new one comes along.
instead I think a better approach is to help people learn that the social media is filled with FUD and they should not take what they read on it for granted with their eyes closed. everyone needs to start learning how to debunk an FUD themselves.

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Thanks for posting i will keep this thread in my drafts . Then i will show to people who is telling against crypto and bitcoin . Its really makes lots of sense . I am not at all following Fud even i wont . Because being in crypto trading and other traditional trading every where i seen massive market manipulation.
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I like to trade, so I do check the price regularly, and although I don't get emotional during my trades, I do get a little sad when I'm not trading and I have time to think about how the crypto markets react to fake news.

True facts:
- Even though the lightning network is still in "beta", the number of LN nodes in the main net is increasing, and they have open channels running on them, with real transaction being made.
- Even if we disregard the LN (since it's still in beta), the fees are lower again, and the network is doing better (hopefully segwit will get more adoption, and exchanges like coinbase will batch their transactions, and BTC will be usable again, until LN is complete).
- Square Cash App now accepts BTC, so merchants that use it as a payment system will be able to accept BTC as payment.
- Robinhood will add BTC as well; Sberbank (on of the largest state banks in Russia) is planning on opening an exchange. So it will be easier to buy BTC
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips
- We already have some stores accepting BTC as payment. (Check this thread). Thank you gambitcoin53 for posting that.
- A good article that gives us a glimpse on how our society could be after decentralization (Here) Thank you dado7 for sharing.
- Coinbase is finally making the implementation of segwit a development priority (Here)
- SEC and CFTC Hearing was positive (Here) and (Here)
- 50 Luxury Flats sold for Bitcoin In Dubai (Here)
- Arizona State passes a bill to allow it's citizens to pay their taxes with BTC (Here)
Check this post dado7, showing us some positive news from Venezuela from (Here)

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
- China cracking mining... (just rumors, and probably fake). If mining was at risk do you think Samsung would get involved in mining?
- South Korea ban... (fake news, as I hope you all know already. They will only regulate it, probably using something similar to NY’s BitLicense link here)
- India making BTC illegal... (more fake news, they just said they want to crack down illegal activities that use bitcoin and not BTC itself)
- Facebook banning adds (actually a positive thing in my opinion, because it might help decrease the number of uninformed investors that enter the market, that click on those adds looking for profit, and then get scammed. We want investors with strong knowledge about Bitcoin and crypto, because those will not follow FUD or FOMO)


Bitcoin is evolving, we have real and positive news, and we have some bad fake news, or news that simply aren't relevant.
What do the markets do? They crash...

Help me fight the FUD, and post links with some positive news that you think are important for bitcoin, and help me fight FUD, by exposing fake news.

I agree, there is plenty of positive news to be excited about. Don't let the people loud FUD crowd out the overwhelmingly positive developments happening everyday within the market. People just love to hate on crypto

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March 01, 2018, 06:47:18 PM
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I see some people complaining about high fees, care to explain this : https://unblock.net/bitcoin-adoption-soars-africa-wake-increasingly-volatile-fiat-currencies/ <They are mostly 3rd world, so high fees will influence them more>

We are even faster than SWIFT, Credit cards and Western Union - https://crypto.bi/tape/blog/ccs-swift/

Do you know that your cup of Coffee will be Tax Free in Germany? - https://www.coindesk.com/germany-considers-crypto-legal-equivalent-to-fiat-for-tax-purposes/

Funny thing is, SegWit adoption is only at between 30% to 40% at the moment and we are already flying! Weeeeeeeeee.  Wink

Thanks for submitting those articles. I do believe bitcoin will continue having a huge impact in undeveloped countries, or countries facing financial crises, and it will also provide a great service for the unbanked. So news like the one about bitcoin adoption if Africa doesn't surprise me.

I was actually surprised after reading the article stating that bitcoin is actually faster than credit cards. It actually makes perfect sense all that was written then, and although it might not change much in a practical way, it does provide a more fair comparison between bitcoin and credit cards. So people should actually try to compare LN to credit cards, and if we do that, there is no discussion on what system is better and faster (even in a practical sense).

Thanks for sharing.
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Great thread, I will keep a close eye on this one. Bitcoin seems to be doing better now as the recent FUD stopped for a while, but we all know how things can change in the blink of an eye. Most if the investors in this market don't have a solid financial background, and are the so called retail investors. Without good knowledge and without knowing how to manage their emotions, it's perfectly normal to see these price changes based on every piece of news that we get, either their are true or false. It's a highly speculative market, and since the price drop significantly, people are very nervous now.

Anyway here is my contribution https://cointelegraph.com/news/liechtensteins-bank-frick-introduces-direct-cryptocurrency-investment-and-cold-storage

It's nothing special, but this will help institutional investors to come to crypto markets, and we actually need them, so that bitcoin gets more stable, while we wait for LN and mass adoption.

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March 01, 2018, 10:33:00 PM
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It's not FUD what is pushing bitcoin down.
It is damn high fees and people are looking for alternatives.

We all realize that all these are fud.
But inside that fud you can find some real news who you didn't share in your post for some reasons - steam and stripe. Do research and update post with more real news.
Bad perception on Bitcoin fees is just an example of fud where the idea we established aboit Bitcoin is bad when it comes to fees but in reality it is just a usual form in transaction where it could also help Bitcoin system in terms of transaction and investment.
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Germany disallowed taxing Bitcoin purchases:
https://coinpedia.org/news/germanys-says-not-tax-bitcoin-purchases/

And another, not very surprising (but even more so very much proving our point), news:
http://www.coindaily.co/2018/03/01/switzerland-wants-to-be-the-crypto-nation/

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Germany disallowed taxing Bitcoin purchases:
https://coinpedia.org/news/germanys-says-not-tax-bitcoin-purchases/

And another, not very surprising (but even more so very much proving our point), news:
http://www.coindaily.co/2018/03/01/switzerland-wants-to-be-the-crypto-nation/

I've seen the Germany related news but didn't had the time to update the list yet, but I definitely agree that those are excellent news. They surprised me a bit, because I had the impression that they didn't like crypto very much, but this measure is a good step towards regulation and it helps BTC a lot in my opinion. Hopefully others will follow, and the US will come closer to this approach.

As for Switzerland, it doesn't surprise since they have already shown us in the past that they support blockchain and crypto, and see the potencial in it, which is great.

Thanks for sharing, I will update the list.

Also, if you checked the list recently, it wasn't updated and you might have missed this post from u9y42, that is full of great news.
It's already in the list now, but you can check it (Here).
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I like to trade, so I do check the price regularly, and although I don't get emotional during my trades, I do get a little sad when I'm not trading and I have time to think about how the crypto markets react to fake news.

True facts:
- Even though the lightning network is still in "beta", the number of LN nodes in the main net is increasing, and they have open channels running on them, with real transaction being made.
- Even if we disregard the LN (since it's still in beta), the fees are lower again, and the network is doing better (hopefully segwit will get more adoption, and exchanges like coinbase will batch their transactions, and BTC will be usable again, until LN is complete).
- Square Cash App now accepts BTC, so merchants that use it as a payment system will be able to accept BTC as payment.
- Robinhood will add BTC as well; Sberbank (on of the largest state banks in Russia) is planning on opening an exchange. So it will be easier to buy BTC
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips
- We already have some stores accepting BTC as payment. (Check this thread). Thank you gambitcoin53 for posting that.
- A good article that gives us a glimpse on how our society could be after decentralization (Here) Thank you dado7 for sharing.
- Coinbase is finally making the implementation of segwit a development priority (Here)
- SEC and CFTC Hearing was positive (Here) and (Here)
- 50 Luxury Flats sold for Bitcoin In Dubai (Here)
- Arizona State passes a bill to allow it's citizens to pay their taxes with BTC (Here)
Check this post dado7, showing us some positive news from Venezuela from (Here)

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
- China cracking mining... (just rumors, and probably fake). If mining was at risk do you think Samsung would get involved in mining?
- South Korea ban... (fake news, as I hope you all know already. They will only regulate it, probably using something similar to NY’s BitLicense link here)
- India making BTC illegal... (more fake news, they just said they want to crack down illegal activities that use bitcoin and not BTC itself)
- Facebook banning adds (actually a positive thing in my opinion, because it might help decrease the number of uninformed investors that enter the market, that click on those adds looking for profit, and then get scammed. We want investors with strong knowledge about Bitcoin and crypto, because those will not follow FUD or FOMO)


Bitcoin is evolving, we have real and positive news, and we have some bad fake news, or news that simply aren't relevant.
What do the markets do? They crash...

Help me fight the FUD, and post links with some positive news that you think are important for bitcoin, and help me fight FUD, by exposing fake news.

I agree, there is plenty of positive news to be excited about. Don't let the people loud FUD crowd out the overwhelmingly positive developments happening everyday within the market. People just love to hate on crypto
And the interesting thing is, for spreading this FUD material, we being the users of bitcoins are outlives involved in this. If I listen any news about bitcoins that can harm the notion of bitcoins, better is to keep that with me and not to share it on social media or any blog. But unfortunately we are creating this FUD and then we are ultimate sources for sharing it with others. Don’t just bother such fake news.

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March 03, 2018, 11:17:00 AM
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It's not FUD what is pushing bitcoin down.
It is damn high fees and people are looking for alternatives.

We all realize that all these are fud.
But inside that fud you can find some real news who you didn't share in your post for some reasons - steam and stripe. Do research and update post with more real news.
That is one reason why bitcoin has crashed this past few weeks but the main reason is the spreading of FUDs across the internet. In January, how many FUDs did spread? Around 3-4 or more and that is good enough to make the price of bitcoin crash. Now that the fees of bitcoin in transaction is way low compare to its fees this past few weeks, maybe we can see an slow increase with the price of bitcoin and maybe reaching a new ATH in the next months.

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March 04, 2018, 11:16:53 AM
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I agree, there is plenty of positive news to be excited about. Don't let the people loud FUD crowd out the overwhelmingly positive developments happening everyday within the market. People just love to hate on crypto
And the interesting thing is, for spreading this FUD material, we being the users of bitcoins are outlives involved in this. If I listen any news about bitcoins that can harm the notion of bitcoins, better is to keep that with me and not to share it on social media or any blog. But unfortunately we are creating this FUD and then we are ultimate sources for sharing it with others. Don’t just bother such fake news.
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Well by doing that you are only not contributing for the fud to spread, which is a good thing, since many others try to spread ti for profit, but it's still not enough to actually try to decrease it's effects. I know what I'm doing is not enough, but maybe it will help, since there are new users coming to the forum in order to use it to gain some knowledge about crypto. So if they tumble a thread like this, or any similar threads, maybe they knowledge will increase and they will help to spread the word in a positive manner. I think not spreading the fud is good, but it's not enough.
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These seem interesting:
https://www.ccn.com/alibaba-subsidiary-reports-successful-use-blockchain-technology-logistics-data/
(since that is Alibaba after all, and Bitcoin is really striving to get the support from traders like Amazon, Alibaba, Steem and others first, I think that news are actually substantial);

and
https://www.ccn.com/mexicos-congress-approves-cryptocurrency-crowdfunding-regulations/.

You could try following this Telegram group for news:
https://t.me/ccncom

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These seem interesting:
https://www.ccn.com/alibaba-subsidiary-reports-successful-use-blockchain-technology-logistics-data/
(since that is Alibaba after all, and Bitcoin is really striving to get the support from traders like Amazon, Alibaba, Steem and others first, I think that news are actually substantial);

and
https://www.ccn.com/mexicos-congress-approves-cryptocurrency-crowdfunding-regulations/.

You could try following this Telegram group for news:
https://t.me/ccncom

Hello dado7, as usual thanks for sharing. It's always good to read the links you provide for this thread. I actually enjoyed reading the first link, and I think it's quite substantial for the blockchain technology itself, and that always relates to bitcoin in my opinion. If the blockchain is good because of the way it stores data (providing trust to that same data being stored), then it makes perfect sense that bitcoin will have a future in our world. The article doesn't go there, I think people will eventually realize that.

As for the second link, I still think that regulation is quite important, so any steps made in order to legitimize bitcoin in the eyes of the world, are very welcome and quite important in my opinion.

Thanks for sharing.



I will share another one, related to binance. A lot of people reacted to the fear of a hack, but everything is operational now, so I think it's worth sharing.

https://cointelegraph.com/news/binance-reverses-irregular-trades-resumes-trading-amidst-community-confusion-about-hack
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March 08, 2018, 06:16:42 PM
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Thank you for creating this thread and for the nice positive info in the OP.

Below is my contribution, the aticle Five reasons 2018 could be the best year yet for cryptocurrencies by the same guy who predicted Bitcoin would drop as low as $5,000, when the price was around $17k in the end of 2017. What is even more interesting is that the article comes from a non-bitcoin friendly news agency like CNBC:

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/23/bitcoin-ethereum-other-cryptocurrency-five-positive-factors-for-2018.html

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March 08, 2018, 07:04:32 PM
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This thread is a good read. Positivity will help us in maintaining our strategy in achieving our goals. FUDs and negativities about bitcoin is here to stay and there will always be uncertain times where your emotions will be tested. Always expect the unexpected in crypto world and make sure you have a decision planned on whatever happens.
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there are many fuds indeed in this forum.
i really support your thread to be read by everyone in this forum, even investors.
so they cannot affect by the fud spreaded around our community.

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Hey guys, thank you for the support. I'm glad this thread is being useful to some, and thanks a lot for the contribution, let's keep those news coming.
Bitcoin is being put to test again, and we are facing a few more dumps, but the fundamentals remain the same, and this article provided by Betwrong really touches the spot in my opinion.

Here is the article:
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/02/23/bitcoin-ethereum-other-cryptocurrency-five-positive-factors-for-2018.html

Thanks fr sharing, it has been a nice read. Glad to see him mentioning a lot of things that we already mentioned in this thread, one of those things was the Rootstock project, that was recently mentioned here by u9y42 (link here: Rootstock - https://faq.rsk.co/en/main/).

Let's keep the fight guys.
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I have been following this thread for a while, and I really appreciate what everyone is doing here. Most of the important things have been reported already, but since the price is dropping again, I decided to contribute with my 2cents. I know that threads like this, or any other kind of good news that are not huge, won't do much for the price itself because I strongly believe that the price is being manipulated right now, and some guys with a huge amount of coins (like Mt. Gox, or similar cases, either Roger ver, or apprehended coins, I don't really know, but you guys are getting the idea), are using fud news to sell their coins and drive the price down.

For instance we heard that google is probably going to ban crypto adds, just like facebook did. Will this make any difference for BTC? Of course not, but those guys start selling after these news that have the potencial to be seen as bad, and manage to drive the price down a bit (5% is enough). People start making associations and start panic selling, and we see crashes like this (most of those whales will probably buy back at a better price, and repeat...).

Anyway I do believe that reporting good news will help those that believe in BTC to remain calm, and hold when the market gets crazy like this. If we think about, bitcoin is in better shape than it was before, so the price will have to go up again eventually. Revolutions like BTC can't really be stopped. We had similar crashes in the past, and we bounce back to new ATH, after a prolonged bear market.

Enough "babbling", here is my contribution. Nothing special, but shows signs of potencial adoption.

https://www.coindesk.com/playboy-tv-to-accept-crypto-payments-for-exclusive-adult-content/
https://cointelegraph.com/news/japanese-electric-company-tests-bitcoin-lightning-network-payments-for-car-charging


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March 22, 2018, 10:34:57 AM
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Thanks a lot for sharing. They are not huge, but news related to adoption are always very important since we want to move away from the speculative area as soon as possible, and stick to the usability area. This is what will legitimize bitcoin in the future.

I have a new one as well, that comes in great timing specially because of the recent FUD related to Twitter rumors, of crypto adds ban, following Facebook initiative. First I would like to say one more time that even if the rumors are true, they should have no implication on bitcoin, because BTC does not need adds, as it already hit mainstream awareness. So if the sells are related to those news, it's just an irrational move.

Here is what I wanted to share with you:
https://cointelegraph.com/news/twitter-ceo-says-bitcoin-will-become-worlds-single-currency-within-a-decad

A positive view on Bitcoin's future, from Twitter and Square CEO, saying that BTC should "become world’s 'single currency' within a decade". It also mentions the release of the "Bitcoin ready" LN implementation on mainnet, by Lightning Labs.

Great news as usual for the long term holders.
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I agree to you and i support to your advocate to stop fud, you have a point bitcoin and whole cryptocurrency are affected of fud news including the scammers. From the start I do not believe for social midea banning to advertise the cryptocurrency because the facebook company are not giving direct notice to all user of facebook regarding the crypto ban.

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People are like zombies, when you are trying to explain them that the news is upside down and in fact everything is fine, they say how do you know I've read the expert in local news;)
About Sberbank, they already trading BTC through Etoro platform(as I understood this is affiliated Sberbank platform, they were highly advertised by Sberbank at the beginning). Also, there was an article in Russian mass media that the shortage of video cards is connected with the mass purchase of them by Sberbank. And this was approved by SB PR department. They said that this is for tests)

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From the start I do not believe for social midea banning to advertise the cryptocurrency because the facebook company are not giving direct notice to all user of facebook regarding the crypto ban.

Well the thing about the ban on add by facebook, and rumors about the same thing but done by google or twitter, is that either they are true or not, they shouldn't matter. Even assuming that those news are true, how would they even affect bitcoin? ICOs run those adds, so on worst case scenario they should affect ICOs directly, and ethereum as a side effect, but never bitcoin.

People are like zombies, when you are trying to explain them that the news is upside down and in fact everything is fine, they say how do you know I've read the expert in local news;)

I couldn't agree more. Some people just blindly accept news, and the perspective given by the author or the so called "expert". I keep giving the adds ban as an example, because I think is a quite obvious one. Someone said that was a bad thing, people saw the price down, and instead of thinking for themselves most of them said: "This is a bad thing, let's sell, bitcoin is lost..." And that's really sad.
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I agree to you and i support to your advocate to stop fud, you have a point bitcoin and whole cryptocurrency are affected of fud news including the scammers. From the start I do not believe for social midea banning to advertise the cryptocurrency because the facebook company are not giving direct notice to all user of facebook regarding the crypto ban.

FUDs are everywhere and we should not always believe in news that has no such reliable source.  Thanks to the OP because he/she clearly stated that these current news are not really real and we should support this kind of  vibes which can give big impact to the btc community.
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The fud that spread around this community must be erased. Thank you for your thread.
There are many good news too beside the fud. The good news must be spread as well because it will ensure the crypto holders in this community.

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March 30, 2018, 10:21:04 AM
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Unfortunately I haven't found many news to report in these last days. My main attention remains on lightning network development, and although I think it's safe to say that the LN has left it's "alpha phase" and is now on "beta phase", it will still take a while for the average users to be able to run a node, or use it for common payments.

I found an interesting article regarding the LN, so I decided to share it here.
https://www.coindesk.com/bitcoins-lightning-network-is-live-but-can-it-keep-from-going-corporate/

Along with the lines of the article I found this interesting statement:

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Lightning developer Jack Mallers, who created the free Zap Lightning wallet on top of Lightning Labs' lnd software, will soon release consumer applications for both mobile and desktop. Those interfaces will make it even easier for average people to use Lightning without relying on corporate channels.

This is not the main "theme", and I advise you to read everything, but I found this statement quite positive, because as an average user, I would really like to start "playing" with the LN.

If you guys find anything new, please share it here.
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Did you see this one?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3225700.0

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Are you still fighting mate?
This news is very interesting, it says something about the opinion of traditional investors: https://www.ccn.com/bubble-or-not-billionaire-george-soros-is-about-to-start-trading-cryptocurrencies/.

I don't know if you know who Soros is. He is one of the wealthiest men in the world, always connected to banking speculations, speculated to be a member of a secret clan actually governing the world etc. etc. Whatever people think he is, he is an important investor and many do follow his actions.


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The fud that spread around this community must be erased. Thank you for your thread.
There are many good news too beside the fud. The good news must be spread as well because it will ensure the crypto holders in this community.

There are many guys here, who just start their way on the market of the cryptocurrency. FUD can confuse them and let them doing wring steps, mistakes.
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April 10, 2018, 08:33:11 PM
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I agree to you and i support to your advocate to stop fud, you have a point bitcoin and whole cryptocurrency are affected of fud news including the scammers. From the start I do not believe for social midea banning to advertise the cryptocurrency because the facebook company are not giving direct notice to all user of facebook regarding the crypto ban.

FUDs are everywhere and we should not always believe in news that has no such reliable source.  Thanks to the OP because he/she clearly stated that these current news are not really real and we should support this kind of  vibes which can give big impact to the btc community.

But more people should be able to discover that for themselves, it feels like the fud really dictates the price.
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I like to trade, so I do check the price regularly, and although I don't get emotional during my trades, I do get a little sad when I'm not trading and I have time to think about how the crypto markets react to fake news.

True facts:
Development
- Even though the lightning network is still in "beta", the number of LN nodes in the main net is increasing, and they have open channels running on them, with real transaction being made. (Check the number of nodes and channels in the Lightning Network in real time)
- Even if we disregard the LN (since it's still in beta), the fees are lower again, and the network is doing better (hopefully segwit will get more adoption, and exchanges like coinbase will batch their transactions, and BTC will be usable again, until LN is complete).
- Coinbase is finally making the implementation of segwit a development priority (Here)

Adoption
- Square Cash App now accepts BTC, so merchants that use it as a payment system will be able to accept BTC as payment.
- Robinhood will add BTC as well; Sberbank (on of the largest state banks in Russia) is planning on opening an exchange. So it will be easier to buy BTC
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips
- 50 Luxury Flats sold for Bitcoin In Dubai (Here)

Social
- A good article that gives us a glimpse on how our society could be after decentralization (Here) Thank you dado7 for sharing.

Regulation
- SEC and CFTC Hearing was positive (Here) and (Here)
- Arizona State passes a bill to allow it's citizens to pay their taxes with BTC (Here)
- Georgia follows Arizona lead (Here)
- Germany has said that they won’t tax Bitcoin users for consuming the cryptocurrency as a means of Payment (Here)

Posts with news from different areas
Check this post dado7, showing us some positive news from Venezuela from (Here)
Check this post u9y42 (Here). Bitcoin getting more private and having smart contracts? Yes please! And he also posts a cool link to check how LN nodes are evolving in the main net (very cool link). Finally, we seem to have a decentralized exchanges that will soon accept fiat. Amazing news! Thanks for sharing.

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
- China cracking mining... (just rumors, and probably fake). If mining was at risk do you think Samsung would get involved in mining?
- South Korea ban... (fake news, as I hope you all know already. They will only regulate it, probably using something similar to NY’s BitLicense link here)
- India making BTC illegal... (more fake news, they just said they want to crack down illegal activities that use bitcoin and not BTC itself)
- Facebook banning adds (actually a positive thing in my opinion, because it might help decrease the number of uninformed investors that enter the market, that click on those adds looking for profit, and then get scammed. We want investors with strong knowledge about Bitcoin and crypto, because those will not follow FUD or FOMO)


Bitcoin is evolving, we have real and positive news, and we have some bad fake news, or news that simply aren't relevant.
What do the markets do? They crash...

Help me fight the FUD, and post links with some positive news that you think are important for bitcoin, and help me fight FUD, by exposing fake news.

You cannot easily convince people about how good cryptocurrency is because most of them does not really want to use their own money to invest and there are governments who are also creating fake news and different black propaganda's in order to reduce the investors of cryptocurrency.
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April 10, 2018, 10:08:51 PM
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the best way to fight the FUD is the strong community, it's hard to build a strong community in business concerns. FUD spreaders always aim the beginners who have lack knowledge in this business. I think this is a reason that we need to be constructive in this forum.
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If we all band together and refuse to give in to the fear that comes with FUDs then they wouldn't affect the market prices so much when they come out. But since a lot of people get scared and start panic selling coins then prices start going down.

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May 03, 2018, 12:53:33 AM
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Yes we can fight FUD let promote Bitcoin on Social Media. Let encourage people to invest on bitcoin before price will rise too much. One thing I suggest also is to introduce Bitcoin to those no knowledge about bitcoin. Event like seminars and training so that people more interested to Digital Currencies.

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I agree to this. I hope we all find comrade in one another to the point that we do not shiver when the nights are cold because we are one with this. I do not like pump and dumpers because they are only here to profit and when they are done, they leave without even bothering how those that are left are doing. They really are not concerned with the market. They are only after their own monetary affairs. I am not saying this is entirely evil because surely most of us here are all for making money, it is just that we have to have a sense of responsibility towards the market we are in. If only we really want this business to grow, we would always choose to hurdle the difficult times as well. The right attitude is for us to weather this together- through the good and bad. This is the only way we can manage to take the crypto market to dimensions.
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if only the strength that we have if united can defeat the power of the X group, we may be able to fight the FUD. But the chances are very small. Perhaps some people realize that there is a group that can regulate and control everything. Market conditions, news, speculation and so on. They are the ones who have the power to organize FUD to investors. They are the owners of companies that monopolize the world. Yes, it's just them.
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May 03, 2018, 04:37:45 AM
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Bitcoin down This is very expensive and people are looking for alternatives. You realize that all this is fud. But inside you can find some real news that you did not share in your post for some reason. It really impacts the Bitcoin price but it actually does not only affect Bitcoin but also affects all Altcoin that's why you sell all your tether and buy Ethereum.
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May 03, 2018, 04:41:00 AM
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I dont feel this post itself would work. The crypto community is huge and not everyone is here on this forum. There are close to 2 million people here and your post would hardly get viewed more than 1000 times. So that's a really small number that you're targeting. If such FUDs don't come, the market would become boring.
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It is true that people quickly create FUD's rapid response and they can sell. Because the price goes down because of this, it can be said that the FUD is doing a lot of damage. It should be exclusive and all the positive news will always be there. But it is true that the price is up, but it does not bitfinex. It is always normal to pump and dump it.
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Sorry for the late absence. Got some holidays without internet connection, which was great, and then got a bunch of problems to solve, which was not so great, but everything is fine now. I will check the posts and links posted, and then I will resume the fight!
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The FUD in community must be prevent to protect the value of bitcoin itself. If many FUD spread around the community,
im afraid that some peoples will immediately believe and sell their coins with cheap price. This could causing bitcoin and crpyto price
dropping in the market.

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The FUD in community must be prevent to protect the value of bitcoin itself. If many FUD spread around the community,
im afraid that some peoples will immediately believe and sell their coins with cheap price. This could causing bitcoin and crpyto price
dropping in the market.

I think I've come to realize that maybe people are not really reacting to he news itself, but instead there could be some market manipulation going on, trying to take advantage of bad news in order to try to "justify" the sell outs. People that bought BTC at high prices, could be getting into a lot of selling pressure right now, and every time a sell out occurs (timed with bad news), makes them panic sell.

I still believe that since bitcoin fundamentals remain intact and it's development continues, there should be no reason to panic. We really need informed investors. I'm sure those will not sell their coins.
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July 22, 2018, 12:42:56 PM
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Have anyone found new on bitcoin ETFs? I keep reading rumors that they should happen during this year, but the same wait I try to fight FUD, I don't want to be mislead by rumors, even though they would probably mean good thing to bitcoin.
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I like to trade, so I do check the price regularly, and although I don't get emotional during my trades, I do get a little sad when I'm not trading and I have time to think about how the crypto markets react to fake news.

True facts:
Development
- Even though the lightning network is still in "beta", the number of LN nodes in the main net is increasing, and they have open channels running on them, with real transaction being made. (Check the number of nodes and channels in the Lightning Network in real time)
- Even if we disregard the LN (since it's still in beta), the fees are lower again, and the network is doing better (hopefully segwit will get more adoption, and exchanges like coinbase will batch their transactions, and BTC will be usable again, until LN is complete).
- Coinbase is finally making the implementation of segwit a development priority (Here)

Adoption
- Square Cash App now accepts BTC, so merchants that use it as a payment system will be able to accept BTC as payment.
- Robinhood will add BTC as well; Sberbank (on of the largest state banks in Russia) is planning on opening an exchange. So it will be easier to buy BTC
- Samsung is now making Cryptocurrency mining chips
- 50 Luxury Flats sold for Bitcoin In Dubai (Here)

Social
- A good article that gives us a glimpse on how our society could be after decentralization (Here) Thank you dado7 for sharing.

Regulation
- SEC and CFTC Hearing was positive (Here) and (Here)
- Arizona State passes a bill to allow it's citizens to pay their taxes with BTC (Here)
- Georgia follows Arizona lead (Here)
- Germany has said that they won’t tax Bitcoin users for consuming the cryptocurrency as a means of Payment (Here)

Posts with news from different areas
Check this post dado7, showing us some positive news from Venezuela from (Here)
Check this post u9y42 (Here). Bitcoin getting more private and having smart contracts? Yes please! And he also posts a cool link to check how LN nodes are evolving in the main net (very cool link). Finally, we seem to have a decentralized exchanges that will soon accept fiat. Amazing news! Thanks for sharing.

FUD:
- Tether scam (could be true, but look at tether marketcap, and look at BTC marketcap). How can anyone say that BTC price is up because tether printed tokens out of thin air to pump BTC price? It would not have a big impact...
- China cracking mining... (just rumors, and probably fake). If mining was at risk do you think Samsung would get involved in mining?
- South Korea ban... (fake news, as I hope you all know already. They will only regulate it, probably using something similar to NY’s BitLicense link here)
- India making BTC illegal... (more fake news, they just said they want to crack down illegal activities that use bitcoin and not BTC itself)
- Facebook banning adds (actually a positive thing in my opinion, because it might help decrease the number of uninformed investors that enter the market, that click on those adds looking for profit, and then get scammed. We want investors with strong knowledge about Bitcoin and crypto, because those will not follow FUD or FOMO)


Bitcoin is evolving, we have real and positive news, and we have some bad fake news, or news that simply aren't relevant.
What do the markets do? They crash...

Help me fight the FUD, and post links with some positive news that you think are important for bitcoin, and help me fight FUD, by exposing fake news.

We shouldn't need to see FUDs as a threat to the community. It is sometimes useful for us investors to buy at a low price. That is the way our markets cycles so we need it sometimes but not always.
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August 12, 2018, 04:03:33 AM
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We also think positively about the FUD before and continue to fight it.
But still the FUD is always before us.

When there is News, surely after that there is an FUD, then the FUD on Cryptocurrency should be removed from this earth. LOL
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Great thought and must agree and appreciate your movement. All the users should be together and take necessary steps against FUD because of this we become very harmful.
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As far I knoe if we are not able to Fight against FUD then it will pollute the whole crypto world and also harm us a lot. So, that we should take steps as soon as possible.
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We shouldn't need to see FUDs as a threat to the community. It is sometimes useful for us investors to buy at a low price. That is the way our markets cycles so we need it sometimes but not always.

Well, it's an interesting thought and I can't say I totally disagree with it. The only problem is, that to much of it could reduce the level of trust in the markets and for bitcoin at least, I don't want it to just be used as a form of investment. I actually want it to be used as a way of payment. For that to happen, we can't have to much FUD or low levels of trust.
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truly we all coming together and joining forces will help fight this fud that has so much affected the growth of bitcoin. lets put all hands on deck and each and everyone of us play our parts in making sure this fud about this unique idea bticoin and cryptocurrency overcomes all these negative fud being spread all around
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OP is right. This technology will just keep evolving from its current form. A lot of current users like me are still annoyed with the pains when using bitcoin but it will be solved in the future and forgotten and we, the true holders will witness its evolution.
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OP is right. This technology will just keep evolving from its current form. A lot of current users like me are still annoyed with the pains when using bitcoin but it will be solved in the future and forgotten and we, the true holders will witness its evolution.

I think that is exactly the point, and I can't stop stressing that out, every time someone complains about bitcoin.
This is still not a final product and is still evolving as we speak. We are all pioneers in this, so it's perfectly normal for all these hiccups along the way. It's really doesn't remove my trust in the future of bitcoin.
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It is very difficult to deal with such news, because they appear in a variety of sources. And so I always advise all my friends to use only trusted sources to get information about bitcoin. Otherwise, you can get into some sort of unpleasant situation.
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I agree. because most FUD make prices go down.
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It is very difficult to deal with such news, because they appear in a variety of sources. And so I always advise all my friends to use only trusted sources to get information about bitcoin. Otherwise, you can get into some sort of unpleasant situation.

Yeah and most of the time, it's our word against what people hear in the news all the time. It's a challenge really and sometimes, i just let people believe what they want and watch regret in them when good times start.

 
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September 23, 2018, 05:05:33 PM
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I don't generally confide in tie, and I never utilize it. Like I said I'm all money on my exchanging bankroll at the present time, since we are on a down pattern, and I primarily endeavor to play oversold bobs, however I exchange with genuine USD and not tie.

Since I don't confide in tie, I don't see how individuals offer BTC for tie. In the event that they need an exit from tie, they should offer it for BTC.

With respect to edge exchanging I never do it since I believe it's only suicide in crypto, since it's sufficiently unstable as I would like to think. Yet, doesn't it simply work relatively like an "advance" from the trades? Trades simply offer use, yet with a specific end goal to do that they need the assets and the cost wont rise more than the really tie available for use (don't know I this announcement was clear enough, yet I don't know how to place it in an unexpected way).
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October 03, 2018, 11:38:52 PM
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FUD are actually beneficial to people who spreads it whenever the price falls down. The moment people believe in FUD, they will likely sell their crypto holdings even if it's a losing value and the more people sell their cryptos, the lower the price of the crypto will get. To fight FUD, you must be focused in the bigger picture of the future than being disrupted by the current status of your crypto.

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October 03, 2018, 11:52:47 PM
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i think good nnews bad news and fud has little to do in the bitcoin market price, for me as a trader its about the whales dumping off  their holdings, look at bitfinex and other big exchange those are whale and big traders also whales with in the whales. because no matter how good the news is the market will always retrace..
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October 04, 2018, 06:46:49 AM
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FUD is really poisoning the minds of the new investors who has only little experience in cryptocurrency investment. You can not hide from FUD but you can fight it all the time. With FUD spreading everywhere, just ignore them and stay in focus because the future of cryptoworld is bright.

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October 04, 2018, 08:25:59 AM
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As far I knoe if we are not able to Fight against FUD then it will pollute the whole crypto world and also harm us a lot. So, that we should take steps as soon as possible.
Don't fight it. Just embrace it for it's good for trading. We can't always expect good news to make profit. Sometimes bad news is good news in trading if only you know how to tether. By the way, why should we even think FOMO is always good for cryptocurrency? Let's keep the fud alive.

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October 06, 2018, 10:50:37 AM
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This could cause bitcoin and crpyto prices to fall into the market. I keep reading rumors that they should happen this year, but the same waiting I try to fight the FUD, I do not want to be deceived by the rumors, although they would probably mean something. good to bitcoin. FUD is always ahead of us. Great think and must agree and appreciate your movement. Now that I'm on my knees, if we can not fight the FUD, it will pollute the entire crypto system and also harm us a lot.
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December 10, 2018, 11:30:03 AM
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there are many fuds indeed in this forum.
i really support your thread to be read by everyone in this forum, even investors.
so they cannot affect by the fud spreaded around our community.
One thing which has affected the world of cryptocurrencies is the numerous FUD as shared by many  individuals in the crypto space. I believe people are mostly moved by what they hear and see. When a negative picture is placed on a particular venture, many people would easily subscribe to it. Hence as stakeholders we have to help and fight against FUD.
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December 10, 2018, 12:57:52 PM
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If all FUD will be gone in this industry, I expect that many people will be in love again in cryptocurrency. Each time that pass, FUD news becomes the primary reason of the people to resist in investing their money in cryptocurrency. As a matter of fact, we are emotionally disturbed because of what we have seen in the news. We cannot control our emotion that leads in a wrong decision.

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December 10, 2018, 01:30:29 PM
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I believe that to be able to get rid of FUD that concerns BTC,  people should definitely not support any FUD threads in this forum. If people will continue to support fud threads ,it will result to a negative environment and fud news might dominate in the crypto market which could result the people to do panic selling which could trigger to a down trend market.









 

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December 10, 2018, 02:03:24 PM
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We still didn't,we are just swinging like a pendulum here and there based on how the market moves so this will make the investors to get more panic and we almost lost 85% or even more of total market cap values from all time high.Keep positive about bitcoin on upper hand and make sure why you still invested on bitcoin.

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December 10, 2018, 02:24:26 PM
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You cannot control FUD thing it is part of crypto industry to take advantage of weak ones and newbies. Accept the fact that only giant investors can control the market
Yes, I agree with you, it will be difficult to fight fud, because it is a scenario for large investors to take advantage, it is better to avoid it and do not immediately believe in fud, find out the truth first to avoid losses due to panic and sell it .

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December 10, 2018, 02:28:30 PM
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tether is not a scam, but tether is a currency backed by USD. another term is tether reserve currency USD.

China is greedy and wants to control crypto, including BTC. but their greed only made the market very bad.

South Korean society has a positive response to the world of the blockchain.
until day India still decides to be neutral towards crypto, I think the Indian government is in a simple discussion.

Facebook only filters each crypto ads to minimize scammers.
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December 10, 2018, 02:43:24 PM
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If you are not one of those guys who have tens of thousands of bitcoins in their hands and huge connections in various high-ranking circles, then your fight against fake news will be similar to the struggle of don quixote with windmills. The effectiveness of these efforts will not be too high.
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December 10, 2018, 03:54:27 PM
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Thanks for expressing fake news or rumors. Tether created printing money this is not rumors. But there are no changing in tether volume, USDT volume is big after btc. Facebook banned ads that was true news spreading. India is a big asset for cryptocurrency platform.

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I think we can overcome FUD if we will not support them in a way that we must know and learn what's really happening on the market. They are just spreading so that they will confuse the minds of the people.

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December 18, 2018, 09:08:48 AM
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I think we can overcome FUD if we will not support them in a way that we must know and learn what's really happening on the market. They are just spreading so that they will confuse the minds of the people.
After all, FUD especially fake things wont have an impact at all if people in this crypto market have enough knowledge and education. At least the majority.
This is good if there is always a discussion to reveal the truth.
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January 20, 2019, 08:21:41 PM
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The whole news flow is very difficult to control. And even if we try to filter what goes on this forum, we will still meet a large number of fake news. Too many people talk and write about cryptocurrency, but not all of them are competent.
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January 20, 2019, 08:41:08 PM
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News now too much, so that just hard to understand what is true and what is not. Therefore, trust only reliable resources, consult with other experienced investors, even here on the forum. Never trust one news, try to check it in different sources.
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Breakdown is better not to read the news at all, because it does not make out immediately whether you can trust them. Moreover, often deliberately spread negative news to the market began to fall. It is difficult to deal with this, and it depends only on you whether the fake news will affect you or not.

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January 20, 2019, 11:27:50 PM
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Well i think we can also fight scams by advising ourselves not to react to any sort of fake news but always make sure that before we draw any conclusions we would follow it up and make the necessary research before jumping into conclusions.

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The whole news flow is very difficult to control. And even if we try to filter what goes on this forum, we will still meet a large number of fake news. Too many people talk and write about cryptocurrency, but not all of them are competent.
There are so many people who cornered bitcoin, both conventional and online news. So the news has one purpose, which is to damage the reputation of bitcoin so that it cannot grow and more countries are banning the use of bitcoin.
In my opinion it is a form of fear of digital currencies, because it is very difficult to control and until now there has not been agreement by many countries regarding uniform regulation of bitcoin.
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February 14, 2019, 02:19:41 AM
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The whole news flow is very difficult to control. And even if we try to filter what goes on this forum, we will still meet a large number of fake news. Too many people talk and write about cryptocurrency, but not all of them are competent.
There are so many people who cornered bitcoin, both conventional and online news. So the news has one purpose, which is to damage the reputation of bitcoin so that it cannot grow and more countries are banning the use of bitcoin.
In my opinion it is a form of fear of digital currencies, because it is very difficult to control and until now there has not been agreement by many countries regarding uniform regulation of bitcoin.

well its competition, to rechannel funds.

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