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July 14, 2011, 02:20:04 AM
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I ask because I was fined for not wearing a seatbelt yet every police car Ive seen driving around none of them wear their seatbelts.

Maybe they are too fat from eating donuts to fit through the window in a crash ?


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July 14, 2011, 02:24:56 AM
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I ask because I was fined for not wearing a seatbelt yet every police car Ive seen driving around none of them wear their seatbelts.

Maybe they are too fat from eating donuts to fit through the window in a crash ?

Clearly, your government masters know what's best for both you and them. In your case, you need to wear a seatbelt. In their case, they don't.
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July 14, 2011, 02:26:02 AM
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I believe under the common law of your country, you have the right to travel without hindrance unless you revoked that right by accepting all the provisions of your license.

Anyways, the cops have no accountability.
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July 14, 2011, 02:38:28 AM
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Seatbelt laws are pretty silly. I'm more concerned about the whole "force" thing. Police supposedly keep the peace by preventing violence from happening, when in fact they are the primary initiators of violence.

This is the contradiction people must overcome if we are to move ahead, in terms of freedom.

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July 14, 2011, 02:43:23 AM
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We are here to protect you from theft and violence.... For which service we will make you pay us, whether you want to or not.  Roll Eyes

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July 14, 2011, 02:58:09 AM
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We are here to protect you from theft and violence.... For which service we will make you pay us, whether you want to or not.  Roll Eyes

And in your fabled world, your various factions of hired thugs are any better?

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July 14, 2011, 03:02:22 AM
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in your fabled world

It's quite pathetic that you've taken after AyeYo. I used to have respect for you. We disagreed but at least you were rational. Now, you're just another statist troll.
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July 14, 2011, 03:03:38 AM
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We are here to protect you from theft and violence.... For which service we will make you pay us, whether you want to or not.  Roll Eyes

And in your fabled world, your various factions of hired thugs are any better?

Actually yes. When was the last time Brinks invaded ADT?

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July 14, 2011, 03:04:52 AM
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It's quite pathetic that you've taken after AyeYo. I used to have respect for you. We disagreed but at least you were rational. Now, you're just another statist troll.

Your opinion of me varies. Life goes on. Do you think my opinion of you varies? Or is it consistent?

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Governments start wars and say its legal. Lets legalize murder to keep it fair.

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July 14, 2011, 03:10:46 AM
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I find it really common to see police cars speeding for no apparent reason (no sirens, just doing 10-15 above the speed limit).

If you tried to keep up with them, they'd probably pull you over and write you a ticket.

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July 14, 2011, 04:31:01 AM
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When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.

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July 14, 2011, 04:36:53 AM
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When the president does it, that means that it is not illegal.

If only that meant it wasn't illegal for anyone any more.

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July 14, 2011, 06:52:31 AM
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There is a "Do as I say, not as I do" mentality in Law Enforcement.
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July 14, 2011, 07:37:32 PM
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Actually yes. When was the last time Brinks invaded ADT?

Not so much Brinks vs ADT but My families Irish thugs beat out the Italian thugs in there area.  Mostly because the Italian thugs were splintered and fought each other while the Irish thugs remained unified.  I wouldn't have wanted to live in my grandfathers days.

Know what the difference between the Mafia and the Government is?

A flag.

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July 14, 2011, 11:00:10 PM
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next time encrypt your seatbelt and use decentralized P2P vehicular transport options...

Oops, I forgot that not every problem can be solved by encryption + P2P.  I am reminded of the Satoshi quote in my signature...

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July 15, 2011, 12:24:25 AM
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Last time I tried to ignore a cop he grabbed my car keys and threw them in the bushes on the side of the road...

The only thing worse than a leo is an angry leo - especially when theres no witnesses or cameras.

Now I carry a camera everywhere just in case. I even bought one of those ones that sits in your car and records the whole surrounding area.

The camera is the new gun.
 
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Last time I tried to ignore a cop he grabbed my car keys and threw them in the bushes on the side of the road...

The only thing worse than a leo is an angry leo - especially when theres no witnesses or cameras.

Now I carry a camera everywhere just in case. I even bought one of those ones that sits in your car and records the whole surrounding area.

The camera is the new gun.
 


+1.  I wish I had a camera installed in my car dashboard recently...  I don't want to talk about it on the internet, though.

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Last time I tried to ignore a cop he grabbed my car keys and threw them in the bushes on the side of the road...

The only thing worse than a leo is an angry leo - especially when theres no witnesses or cameras.

Now I carry a camera everywhere just in case. I even bought one of those ones that sits in your car and records the whole surrounding area.

The camera is the new gun.
 


+1.  I wish I had a camera installed in my car dashboard recently...  I don't want to talk about it on the internet, though.

+1 more. I gotta get me one of those dash cams. If I had my way, it would save the video to my home server.

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Last time I tried to ignore a cop he grabbed my car keys and threw them in the bushes on the side of the road...

The only thing worse than a leo is an angry leo - especially when theres no witnesses or cameras.

Now I carry a camera everywhere just in case. I even bought one of those ones that sits in your car and records the whole surrounding area.

The camera is the new gun.
 


+1.  I wish I had a camera installed in my car dashboard recently...  I don't want to talk about it on the internet, though.

+1 more. I gotta get me one of those dash cams. If I had my way, it would save the video to my home server.

+1.  Exactly.  Well if you have smartphone with internet, then it is possible to set up.  I wish I had done that.  But it is easy to forget to press "record".  I have actually been wanting to make a simple open-source dash cam.  Something that you don't have to remember to press record and you don't have to worry about it running out of batteries, and it always stores the incomming video to an encrypted micro sd card.  If it is late at night or you have been partying too much, it is very easy to forget to press record before driving home.

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+1.  Exactly.  Well if you have smartphone with internet, then it is possible to set up.  I wish I had done that.  But it is easy to forget to press "record".  I have actually been wanting to make a simple open-source dash cam.  Something that you don't have to remember to press record and you don't have to worry about it running out of batteries, and it always stores the incomming video to an encrypted micro sd card.  If it is late at night or you have been partying too much, it is very easy to forget to press record before driving home.

Self-incrimination device?  Cheesy

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+1.  Exactly.  Well if you have smartphone with internet, then it is possible to set up.  I wish I had done that.  But it is easy to forget to press "record".  I have actually been wanting to make a simple open-source dash cam.  Something that you don't have to remember to press record and you don't have to worry about it running out of batteries, and it always stores the incomming video to an encrypted micro sd card.  If it is late at night or you have been partying too much, it is very easy to forget to press record before driving home.

Self-incrimination device?  Cheesy

Cheesy well that is the point of having the recorder encrypt the video before writing to the micro SD card.  But yeah, with the way the DoJ is going, you will probably be charged with storing child poem by default for having an encrypted file on your dash cam.

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charged with storing child poem by default for having an encrypted file on your dash cam.

Posting from your phone? DAMN YOU AUTOCORRECT!!!
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charged with storing child poem by default for having an encrypted file on your dash cam.

Posting from your phone? DAMN YOU AUTOCORRECT!!!

Lol.  Guilty as charged.

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Lucky for you guys... Angry  over here in England its now braking the law to film police beating people etc.

I have some reading up on this to do I think.

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http://boingboing.net/2011/06/24/copwatch-and-openwat.html

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As someone wha has helped organize a copwatch in multiple cities (and spent time in jail cells, had cameras smashed, had cameras stolen, etc, etc I think the rise of surveillance tools to hold cops accountable is hugely important/exciting) -- perhaps even for more pressing issues than seatbelt tickets Wink
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Lucky for you guys... Angry  over here in England its now braking the law to film police beating people etc.

I have some reading up on this to do I think.

This... is both terrifying and infuriating.

They can film you, but you can't film them? What about requesting the footage from the incident on the street cams?

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Lucky for you guys... Angry  over here in England its now braking the law to film police beating people etc.

I have some reading up on this to do I think.

This... is both terrifying and infuriating.

They can film you, but you can't film them? What about requesting the footage from the incident on the street cams?

The police don't do anything wrong. It's a public service by the people and for the people.

 If you don't like what they do, run for office and change it!
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Last time I tried to ignore a cop he grabbed my car keys and threw them in the bushes on the side of the road...

The only thing worse than a leo is an angry leo - especially when theres no witnesses or cameras.

Now I carry a camera everywhere just in case. I even bought one of those ones that sits in your car and records the whole surrounding area.

The camera is the new gun.

Does it stream recordings to a safe place? If not, what's to stop the military police from taking your car in "as evidence" if they can't find all the recordings or taking all the recordings?

I'd like such a camera with a button in my car which automatically buys lots of internet advertising where people can see the live video if they click it, and a video screen you can show the cop of what he just did on camera and how many are watching. Of course then he takes you where the camera can't see, but at least then people know about it.

I'm not saying all cops are like that, but power corrupts.

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July 17, 2011, 06:08:59 AM
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Shit, I feel sorry for you guys in the lower 48 (and Europe).  The cops up here are pretty good for the most part, I haven't had any bad experiences with them.  Knock on wood.

I want to design a cheap, camera system that will link with your smart phone and stream to a home server like you guys are talking about. I've been thinking about this for a while. Besides, then I could sell them for bitcoins...  Smiley
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July 17, 2011, 07:51:59 AM
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Shit, I feel sorry for you guys in the lower 48 (and Europe).  The cops up here are pretty good for the most part, I haven't had any bad experiences with them.  Knock on wood.

I want to design a cheap, camera system that will link with your smart phone and stream to a home server like you guys are talking about. I've been thinking about this for a while. Besides, then I could sell them for bitcoins...  Smiley

Do it, I will buy it.

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