The Matrix vs Inception

[alan2here]

Which is deeper?

And how can I get deeper still, I wish to explore.

[Luno]

In a sense "Cloud Atlas" was even deeper than "Matrix"

[alan2here]

Yes, although I almost don't put it in the same category and can't easily describe why, Cloud Atlas is an important film.

[pedrog]

How about V for Vendetta?

[Mike Christ]

As much as I loved Inception, The Matrix with its allegory of the cave, when applied to modern society, just takes the cake for me.

And I am pretending those other two Matrix movies don't exist.

[hawkeye]

Just watch both.  They are both worth it for different reasons.

I agree that the matrix sequels are a letdown and best just to pretend they don't exist.

And how can I get deeper still, I wish to explore.

http://www.simulation-argument.com/

[JoeQ]

The Matrix got most of it's ideas/style from a comic called the Invisibles. Well worth a read (warning, it's all kinds of trippy)

[herzmeister]

I think the philosophical substance in Matrix 2 and 3 is good, but the movies were poorly executed.

[flagel8]

SPOILER WARNING: Dark City, and the 13th Floor both deal with the theme of living in simulations. The 13th Floor was adapted from a great book called "Simulacron 3" by D.F. Galouye. Well worth a read.

Also check out "Permutation City" by Greg Egan. His novel "Diaspora" also touches on this.

There's also a novel whose name and author I can't remember which deals with a world wherein most of humanity has migrated into "the Bin", a simulated world. Anyone know of this?

And SPOILER WARNING: "Bios" and "The Harvest", by the always excellent Robert Charles Wilson.

Also: "Time Out of Joint", by the great Philip K. Dick.

[JoeQ]

Also: "Time Out of Joint", by the great Philip K. Dick.

Yeah, anything by Philip K. Dick tops these films.

Moon by Duncan Jones was a surprisingly interesting and deep sci-fi movie.

[jarhed]

Inception is deeper.

The Matrix: A definition of a trance.

Inception: A step by step process on how to jack info while in trance.

Check out "Alice In Wonderland" to go deeper.

[FirstAscent]

Here are two films that are about hundred times deeper than either:

The Face of Another
Yi Yi

[FirstAscent]

Of course, other deep films, masterpieces of the existential, cinema of the cerebral, include:

2001: A Space Odyessey
The Human Condition
Woman in the Dunes
The Seventh Seal
Hiroshima mon amour
Pale Flower
Sansho the Bailiff
The Spirit of the Beehive
Memento
No Country for Old Men
Days of Being Wild
In the Mood for Love
2046
The Thin Red Line
Moon

[balanghai]

Both are good but nothing beats the Age of Heroes

[FirstAscent]

Both are good but nothing beats the Age of Heroes

Are you referring to a 2011 film?

[balanghai]

Both are good but nothing beats the Age of Heroes

Are you referring to a 2011 film?

Yup because the rating is the depth of the movie, not the technicalities and effects whatsoever.

Behind enemy line is definitely deep. 

Whichever way you interpret its it.

[FirstAscent]

Both are good but nothing beats the Age of Heroes

Are you referring to a 2011 film?

Yup because the rating is the depth of the movie, not the technicalities and effects whatsoever.

Behind enemy line is definitely deep. 

Whichever way you interpret its it.

I haven't seen it, but it's getting 50 percent reviews on every site. I understand that it might have some niche appeal, but...

I wholeheartedly encourage you to explore what cinema offers at different levels. I have recommended seventeen films in two posts. Mind expanding experiences await you. Have you seen any of them?

[jarhed]

Of course, other deep films, masterpieces of the existential, cinema of the cerebral, include:

2001: A Space Odyessey
The Human Condition
Woman in the Dunes
The Seventh Seal
Hiroshima mon amour
Pale Flower
Sansho the Bailiff
The Spirit of the Beehive
Memento
No Country for Old Men
Days of Being Wild
In the Mood for Love
2046
The Thin Red Line
Moon

Isn't No Country for Old Men about some guy walking around cow killing everyone..........what's deep about that?

[FirstAscent]

Of course, other deep films, masterpieces of the existential, cinema of the cerebral, include:

2001: A Space Odyessey
The Human Condition
Woman in the Dunes
The Seventh Seal
Hiroshima mon amour
Pale Flower
Sansho the Bailiff
The Spirit of the Beehive
Memento
No Country for Old Men
Days of Being Wild
In the Mood for Love
2046
The Thin Red Line
Moon

Isn't No Country for Old Men about some guy walking around cow killing everyone..........what's deep about that?

It's a psychological thriller that explores the nature of fate, chance, greed, madness, revenge, timing. Granted, it's probably the least deep or existential of those on the list. It's there, in a sense, to show that the list is not entirely devoid of being in touch with every man's cinema, mainstream cinema, so to speak. Discount it if you wish. Start right in with the meatier content. Begin with The Face of Another, if you will.

[Geddi]

These kept me busy for a while

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Fargo
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