Proper Use of Trust System?

[Jumpy]

I am pretty bothered by the weighting of the current trust system.

I have a few reviews for transactions that I've conducted with users, and they have nothing bad to say about me. They have actual amounts of BTC risked and are all positive.

Yesterday, somebody didn't like a post that I made on a thread and they posted a negative review for me. I don't really understand how this should be related to trust, but more importantly, why does a single review throw my entire rating into red letters? It doesn't involve a transaction or anything.

Is there a process to remove a misplaced rating? How does the weighting work?

Any clarification that you can help me with would be appreciated. My reputation on this forum means a lot to me.

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[sublime5447]

Go to your trust and hit trust settings then copy and paste the names of the people that you trust and that have traded with you. Then hit update.

[sublime5447]

BTW thebutterzone is a douche

You offered a better price and he left you a neg rating.

TBZ you are a douche!

[Jumpy]

Thanks for the support sublime, but I'm more concerned about what it looks like to others that may have TBZ in their trust networks.

I'm wondering if there is any appeal system connected to the trust system. I agree I probably shouldn't have gone as far as soliciting PMs, but this doesn't seem to be connected to my trustworthiness in transactions.

[sublime5447]

No the only thing you can do is ask him. I didnt see the whole thing but from his reference it looks like you offered a better price and he got butt hurt about it

[Vod]

Yesterday, somebody didn't like a post that I made on a thread and they posted a negative review for me. I don't really understand how this should be related to trust, but more importantly, why does a single review throw my entire rating into red letters? It doesn't involve a transaction or anything.

Is there a process to remove a misplaced rating? How does the weighting work?

If you neg rep a scammer, most times they will neg rep you back to "extort" you to remove yours.  Nothing you can do about it.   

[AndrewWilliams]

Yesterday, somebody didn't like a post that I made on a thread and they posted a negative review for me. I don't really understand how this should be related to trust, but more importantly, why does a single review throw my entire rating into red letters? It doesn't involve a transaction or anything.

Is there a process to remove a misplaced rating? How does the weighting work?

If you neg rep a scammer, most times they will neg rep you back to "extort" you to remove yours.  Nothing you can do about it.  

Jumpy, this is exactly what Vod did to me. He's been trolling around trying to spread lies about me. When I called him on it in a thread he started in the lending section, he locked it.

See Vod's post history.


While I do appreciate Vod taking off the false neg rep you posted about me saying I asked for social security numbers (Maybe he realized there was no proof to your lie? Or was it that he were afraid Mods would discover you used a sockpuppet account to send the PM to himself?),
it would be great if he went all the way and got rid of the other two neg reps he posted prior to that:

1. Accusing me of extorting to remove negative feedback. The member you gave me bad rep did so over a difference of opinion. When I told him it was foolish, posted neg rep for him for the same thing, he removed it. Simple.
2. Accusing me of possible identity theft. I either am or not. Don't accuse people for the sake of being "safe." Your made it up, and have no proof. Even the OP on the thread you started your BS on told you your wrong, but your refuse to listen. :shakes head:


Hey, thanks for your attention!

[Vod]

Since my name was mentioned, I should point out that AndrewWilliams has publicly stated he is in a religious cult and as a result of that membership he has no moral compass.  He scams and lies, then rubs his hands together, prays to his god, and walks away with a clear conscious. 

I did lock a thread in lending because I have realized you cannot debate with the guy.  I have to live with my words and actions while he does not. 

I will be sparing EVERYBODY further annoyance by putting him on ignore and therefore not responding to any more of his BS. 

[AndrewWilliams]

Since my name was mentioned, I should point out that AndrewWilliams has publicly stated he is in a religious cult and as a result of that membership he has no moral compass.  He scams and lies, then rubs his hands together, prays to his god, and walks away with a clear conscious. 

I did lock a thread in lending because I have realized you cannot debate with the guy.  I have to live with my words and actions while he does not. 

I will be sparing EVERYBODY further annoyance by putting him on ignore and therefore not responding to any more of his BS. 

Calling Christianity a cult, wow, you've really outdone yourself now Vod, you troll.

I think you just told everybody everything they need to know about you.
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FYI, Vod locked the thread as soon as mentioned that his lies were going to be found out by the Mod Theymos since his claim of receiving a PM was going to be checked out, he realized he would be caught in his own lie.

[Jumpy]

I don't really want this thread to become host of a flamewar between you two.

The point is that the trust system doesn't really work. Reviews don't mean anything if personal dislike can outweigh transactions of measurable value.

I have been told to beg and plead with him to remove it, but it seems like that wouldn't be worth the trouble.

I guess I'll just ask users that see this thread to remove him from their networks since the value of his ratings are based on whether he happens to like what is posted on these forums.

[sublime5447]

This is what I see. TheButterZone -5: -1 / +0(0)

And what people who trust me see.

[Jumpy]

Update:

I sent TBZ a nice PM requesting that he remove the negative review and apologizing for making an insensitive post. Time to wait and see if diplomacy works on teh interwebz.

[TheButterZone]

Much more than "personal dislike" and "diplomacy" is at issue. You are an aggressor. You thought it was acceptable to shit hardcore on a user's business topic (or maybe more than just one; I'll be looking at your posting history to determine whether your trust rating can be removed and only the pic left above), that specifically said:

Please only reply in this thread once we've had a successful transaction (all other replies such as threadcrap and questions that should have been PMed, IMed, texted, or IRCed to me, will be deleted).

and ALSO tried to steal their business. No matter how under the influence of inhibition-lowering substances or good/bad of a mood you're in that day, that makes you an aggressor, unworthy of trust, only worthy of ostracization.

After I review your posting history, I will be working on a penalty addendum for my business topics, that specifies threadcrap will result in a negative trust rating with screenshot, and the trust rating will only be removed after the threadcrapper pays me a 1 BTC fine.

ETA: After review, it appears your hardcore shit is not present in any other topics. Unless your threadcrap was deleted from others' topics as well, I wonder if it really was personal dislike, instead yours, of me. What did I ever do to you? Certainly not steal your business, because nobody has paid me a single satoshi for my services. Hmmmm...

ETA2: And this isn't just a "this forum" thing. It's an "any forum, online or offline, be a decent human being and not an aggressor unworthy of trust" thing.

[sublime5447]

I removed my neg rating TBZ maybe just talk it out in the future?

[monbux]

Update:

I sent TBZ a nice PM requesting that he remove the negative review and apologizing for making an insensitive post. Time to wait and see if diplomacy works on teh interwebz.

Jumpy, you completely thread jacked...  I wouldn't go anywhere near as leaving negative trust, but it does annoy some users, me included.
Make your own thread, talk whatever you want on it.

[Jumpy]

Update:

I sent TBZ a nice PM requesting that he remove the negative review and apologizing for making an insensitive post. Time to wait and see if diplomacy works on teh interwebz.

Jumpy, you completely thread jacked...  I wouldn't go anywhere near as leaving negative trust, but it does annoy some users, me included.
Make your own thread, talk whatever you want on it.

I recognized that mistake on my part. I am fairly new to the forum and am obviously still getting used to the protocol here.

[sublime5447]

It is just TBZ.. look at his post in currency exchange. I dont know the fuck he thinks he is?

[Jumpy]

Bottom line is that a) he deleted the trust review and b) we shouldn't use the trust system to retaliate against posts we don't like.

[TheButterZone]

Actually, I like posts like yours, on my topic and this one, because they show you think you can get away with being an aggressor instead of a decent human being who is actually worthy of trust. Keep on revealing your true colors elsewhere, so that others will notice and show you what ostracization really means.

Good day, sir!

[sublime5447]

Actually, I like posts like yours, on my topic and this one, because they show you think you can get away with being a dick instead of a decent human being who is actually worthy of trust. Keep on revealing your true colors elsewhere, so that others will notice and show you what ostracization really means.

Good day, sir!

Like I said who the fuck does he think he is? what a dick

[Jumpy]

I guess he wants to revert this to a good 'ol flamewar, which I'm not really interested in.

I think its best to let the free market decide whether his prices are too high, since I've found work editing on here and he apparently hasn't.

[AndrewWilliams]

Current trust system is being abused, no doubt about it.

A member by the name of 'sod' seems to think he can make crap up and neg newbies without impunity. Thankfully, more and more people are seeing through this abuse.


Say no to trust abuse.

[Jumpy]

Current trust system is being abused, no doubt about it.

A member by the name of 'sod' seems to think he can make crap up and neg newbies without impunity. Thankfully, more and more people are seeing through this abuse.


Say no to trust abuse.

I agree that it is problematic, but I wish there was a better system. A single negative review with no BTC at risk should not have such an outsized effect on the rating.

[sublime5447]

I fought for that when the trust system was introduced. Well i guess I should say that I threw in my 2 cent to the powers that be. I recommended that people only be able to rate based on actual trades and not just personal preference, but to be honest it all comes out in the wash.

If everyone can be rated no matter the trade history then it will basically even out and most people are intelligent enough to recognize false or non- trade based feedback. For instance i recognize that TBZ is a dick who thinks he can throw is weight around and rate people just because he has been around for a year or 2. 

[Jumpy]

I think that the colors and the trade with caution tags should have to be manually applied by mods or something. I would be fine with my trust rating being -1/+5 and letting people see that the -1 was something dumb, but the big red text next to my name warning others to be careful is too much for being so easily triggered by the existing formulae.

[JJBTCSeller]

Sublime's such a fucking cunt. He always abuses the trust system, he gave me neg feedback yet he was the one who stole my fucking ID and sold it on SR!! Be careful Sublime is a confirmed scammer!

[Vod]

Sublime's such a fucking cunt. He always abuses the trust system, he gave me neg feedback yet he was the one who stole my fucking ID and sold it on SR!! Be careful Sublime is a confirmed scammer!

I might be convinced if you used more profanity.   

[n00ber]

I noticed many innocent users are neg rep by neg rep maniacs who think they are btcforum police, who knows this users neg repping to make themselves appear trusted. In truth they could be scammers themselves waiting for the right moment to scam.

I hope admins make a rule that only a trade could leave a negative feedback not basing on just opinion.

 

[AndrewWilliams]

I noticed many innocent users are neg rep by neg rep maniacs who think they are btcforum police, who knows this users neg repping to make themselves appear trusted. In truth they could be scammers themselves waiting for the right moment to scam.

I hope admins make a rule that only a trade could leave a negative feedback not basing on just opinion.

 

Agreed, a few too many megalomaniacs on here.

[TheButterZone]

I noticed many innocent users are neg rep by neg rep maniacs who think they are btcforum police, who knows this users neg repping to make themselves appear trusted. In truth they could be scammers themselves waiting for the right moment to scam.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=133122.0

[sublime5447]

You are telling me that you got gifted 500 BTC and you have the nerve to charge 140 usd per BTC. You are a bigger dick than I could have imagined.

[TheButterZone]

You are telling me that you got gifted 500 BTC and you have the nerve to charge 140 usd per BTC. You are a bigger dick than I could have imagined.

Show/Hide ignored creep.

I could rush into a burning building, pull a puppy out, then perform CPR to bring it out of respiratory arrest, and you'd claim that means I'm into bestiality. Keep being ridiculous.

[sublime5447]

You are telling me that you got gifted 500 BTC and you have the nerve to charge 140 usd per BTC. You are a bigger dick than I could have imagined.

Show/Hide ignored creep.

I could rush into a burning building, pull a puppy out, then perform CPR to bring it out of respiratory arrest, and you'd claim that means I'm into bestiality. Keep being ridiculous.

Have you ever heard of paying it forward?

You post that you have coins for sale at 140 dollars a piece when the market is 123 and that people have to come to your house in person to get them and that if anyone comments on how your price is fucking bullshit that you will neg rate them an that you where gifted 500 BTC and I am supposed to think you are some kinda saint

Facepalm

Like I said you are a bigger dick than I could have ever imagined. Your life will always be shit you selfish little troll.

I am gonna hit ignore

Good day sir.