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January 31, 2014, 02:23:06 AM
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DZ, did you get any notification about shipping?
The new company has decided that even if HF ships they will hold out for a full BTC refund, Everyone in R1-r2 is screwed on the baby jets that are shipping (not for us) albeit late but some people will get a full btc refund if they are successful with there legal process. Im sure you are all ok with this right?  |
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slayernine
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January 31, 2014, 06:37:56 PM |
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I'm not in a rush, if waiting will help get a BTC refund. So be it.
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thehun
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January 31, 2014, 06:44:54 PM |
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DZ, did you get any notification about shipping?
The new company has decided that even if HF ships they will hold out for a full BTC refund, Everyone in R1-r2 is screwed on the baby jets that are shipping (not for us) albeit late but some people will get a full btc refund if they are successful with there legal process. Im sure you are all ok with this right? Yes that's fine with me, I was just asking  Good luck with the legal process |
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jungle_dave
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January 31, 2014, 09:17:20 PM |
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Im not involved,
If anyone wants my r1-r2 shares let me know, Ill take cash value.
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February 10, 2014, 01:26:54 AM |
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Any news on the HF front? I know you guys are busy with R17 but don't forget us.
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philipma1957
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February 10, 2014, 02:44:34 AM |
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good point I have a share in round 1
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DyslexicZombei (OP)
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February 12, 2014, 01:20:29 AM |
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Let's see: since the last post in a R1-4 thread.
- Zero updates to our "Customer Support Ticket" sent in early January demanding a full BTC and USD refund for R1-4 via a paralegal, where appropriate.
- Litigation against HF was filed in Texas.
- We're meeting w/ the attorneys to go over this litigation this week.
- The January bill came in and it was ugly.
- Claims of damages seem to make sense as we all have had lost opportunity costs due to their deceptive advertising and outright fraudulent behavior (FTC regs. state that if product is delayed you *must* give the customer the opportunity for a full refund.) No promises on this but I'm firm that if damages are awarded that all would share in this (minus atty. fees) based on their percentage of ownership of that round's miners.
- Also, I can confirm that one of the D&L attorneys received an inquiry from a community rep re: legal precedents in cases like this.
That's about it...oh and a passive aggressive email from HF a little while back finally confirming payment on one of the R1-2B upgrades paid months ago with a bolded msg. at the bottom saying something to the effect of: "ALL SALES FINALS. NO REFUNDS."
I, for one, would've never gotten involved with HF GBs without the Full BTC refunds promised publicly by both Simon Barber and Cara, after supposedly checking with the bosses.
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February 12, 2014, 02:40:50 AM |
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Let's see: since the last post in a R1-4 thread.
- Zero updates to our "Customer Support Ticket" sent in early January demanding a full BTC and USD refund for R1-4 via a paralegal, where appropriate.
- Litigation against HF was filed in Texas.
- We're meeting w/ the attorneys to go over this litigation this week.
- The January bill came in and it was ugly.
- Claims of damages seem to make sense as we all have had lost opportunity costs due to their deceptive advertising and outright fraudulent behavior (FTC regs. state that if product is delayed you *must* give the customer the opportunity for a full refund.) No promises on this but I'm firm that if damages are awarded that all would share in this (minus atty. fees) based on their percentage of ownership of that round's miners.
- Also, I can confirm that one of the D&L attorneys received an inquiry from a community rep re: legal precedents in cases like this.
That's about it...oh and a passive aggressive email from HF a little while back finally confirming payment on one of the R1-2B upgrades paid months ago with a bolded msg. at the bottom saying something to the effect of: "ALL SALES FINALS. NO REFUNDS."
I, for one, would've never gotten involved with HF GBs without the Full BTC refunds promised publicly by both Simon Barber and Cara, after supposedly checking with the bosses.
Thanks for the update. Even if there isn't any real news it's reassuring to get updates from time to time. Let us know how it goes with the lawyers. |
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tripppn
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February 24, 2014, 11:12:53 PM |
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It's been a couple weeks since we got an update. Anything new happening?
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March 04, 2014, 10:13:59 PM |
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I know the law moves slowly, so how's your day DZ? |
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Bakal
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March 12, 2014, 06:14:37 AM |
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Hi ! any updates on hashf'kd?
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tripppn
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March 16, 2014, 01:47:44 AM |
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It's been over a month DZ. Any news whatsoever?
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thomas_s
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March 16, 2014, 03:12:47 AM |
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It's been over a month DZ. Any news whatsoever?
Still on track. |
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DyslexicZombei (OP)
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March 28, 2014, 08:11:10 AM |
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Hi guys,
Haven't run off with the money (there still is no money or BTC from our HF refund). I'd never do that. Just super bummed from all the negativity, the trolling, the bickering, manufacturers failing us over and over, and me working 7 days a week for months doing this as a second job for peanuts (actually negative not-so peanuts). I just got so sick of it esp. since I was working for less than free and couldn't take it any more.
This was an experiment in democracy in mining and trying to deal with the inevitable network difficulty rise but I/we've surrendered the pre-order GB market when we used to offer many of the best pre-order deals around because most of these manufacturers can't meet their deadlines. Others can deal with high risk pre-orders but I'm done with pre-orders from ASIC mfgs.
I've been exploring other job options while trying to cram for a particular Microsoft cert for a job I'm trying to get. I've cut back my forum presence but I'm still looking at opportunities in the cryptoeconomy.
WRT case news: these things take time but the Texas court granted a TRO against HF for about 218 BTC so regardless of how the case turns out they've been ordered to hold onto BTC of this amount till the end of the case.
BTW, from the email leak thread going on over email: even people that have asked for USD refunds from HF have had to wait for over a month in some cases.
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March 28, 2014, 07:31:54 PM |
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Hi guys,
Haven't run off with the money (there still is no money or BTC from our HF refund). I'd never do that. Just super bummed from all the negativity, the trolling, the bickering, manufacturers failing us over and over, and me working 7 days a week for months doing this as a second job for peanuts (actually negative not-so peanuts). I just got so sick of it esp. since I was working for less than free and couldn't take it any more.
This was an experiment in democracy in mining and trying to deal with the inevitable network difficulty rise but I/we've surrendered the pre-order GB market when we used to offer many of the best pre-order deals around because most of these manufacturers can't meet their deadlines. Others can deal with high risk pre-orders but I'm done with pre-orders from ASIC mfgs.
I've been exploring other job options while trying to cram for a particular Microsoft cert for a job I'm trying to get. I've cut back my forum presence but I'm still looking at opportunities in the cryptoeconomy.
WRT case news: these things take time but the Texas court granted a TRO against HF for about 218 BTC so regardless of how the case turns out they've been ordered to hold onto BTC of this amount till the end of the case.
BTW, from the email leak thread going on over email: even people that have asked for USD refunds from HF have had to wait for over a month in some cases.
http://imgur.com/a/OLbc8#0 |
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thehun
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March 28, 2014, 07:37:11 PM |
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Hi guys,
Haven't run off with the money (there still is no money or BTC from our HF refund). I'd never do that. Just super bummed from all the negativity, the trolling, the bickering, manufacturers failing us over and over, and me working 7 days a week for months doing this as a second job for peanuts (actually negative not-so peanuts). I just got so sick of it esp. since I was working for less than free and couldn't take it any more.
This was an experiment in democracy in mining and trying to deal with the inevitable network difficulty rise but I/we've surrendered the pre-order GB market when we used to offer many of the best pre-order deals around because most of these manufacturers can't meet their deadlines. Others can deal with high risk pre-orders but I'm done with pre-orders from ASIC mfgs.
I've been exploring other job options while trying to cram for a particular Microsoft cert for a job I'm trying to get. I've cut back my forum presence but I'm still looking at opportunities in the cryptoeconomy.
WRT case news: these things take time but the Texas court granted a TRO against HF for about 218 BTC so regardless of how the case turns out they've been ordered to hold onto BTC of this amount till the end of the case.
BTW, from the email leak thread going on over email: even people that have asked for USD refunds from HF have had to wait for over a month in some cases.
That's good news IMO. Thanks for keeping up with this and good luck with your job search! |
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DyslexicZombei (OP)
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April 01, 2014, 06:27:36 AM
Last edit: April 07, 2014, 03:14:15 AM by DyslexicZombei |
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An official response from our attorney:
"Redacted"
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DyslexicZombei (OP)
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April 01, 2014, 06:28:11 AM |
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Basically: that was spin and mayhaps some desperation from HF to not have a precedent set. We are asking for damages as is normal in cases like this.
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Also: I want to publicly apologize for going MIA. I'm very sorry if you were caught in the crossfire. I owe you guys a longer explanation.
What you guys may not have known is that one persistent stalker troll w/ a so-called "Hero" membership IIRC managed to drag *my kids* into our ongoing Internet argument in an argument spanning weeks and even multiple threads. My last communication to him was weeks ago after he crossed a line in a Scam Accusation thread. I'm not comfortable engaging in a community - where a stalker/troll (without proof, no less) can engage in behavior that would get you punched in the face IRL - and can get away with it behind the anonymity of the internet.
I was disgusted by this behavior, that a veteran Bitcoin miner/investor would stoop to such levels in an attempt to attempt to besmirch my reputation and the co-op's integrity, while cowardly hiding behind his anonymity...while trying his very, very best to find out my real life name/ID. This, while showing no hesitation at trying to turn a harmless statement made about my daughter playing as a noob PC gamer as a 3 year old on Halo PC into something that somehow brought into question my long history of sales...yes, fucking Creepy Behavior with a capital C & B. This member has a record of digging deep to try to find dirt, oftentimes where there's no smoke, nor fire.
Perhaps, if you're a father, you would understand my disgust and aversion with anything having to do with this place after that. I couldn't even *think* of logging in I was so disgusted and angry. I'm sorry, if your PM is in the big backlog that's in there.
In the course of sales, I'm used to defending the co-op's integrity against all comers, but when this stalker/troll brought my kids into it, he crossed that line: this is something that as a Parent, awakens something Primal and angry within me. (FWIW: You must really, really suck at arguing if you have to bring a stranger's kid into your meaningless Internet argument)
I would do anything for my kids, and like the average parent, sacrifice a lot for my kids. I recognize that most people are regular, nice people, but the forum doesn't have a method to really punish a stalker troll that would do something so execrable and I do acknowledge the fact that there are sociopaths and psychopaths that revel in destruction (and some of them may be stalker/trolls). This was the final straw for me.
Why should I pay for abuse when I'm not a masochist? Why should I put my kids at risk if there's even a remote chance - if not this stalker/troll then another one, could find me and actually come to my house unannounced and possibly unhinged (even if they never even bought anything from me/us)?
Our time here is limited. Be nice to one another. Be less quick to throw unfounded accusations. This is *still* the *only* mining co-op that has raised hundreds of dollars of funds on behalf of others, and I'm proud of how co-op members have been quick to help one another.
So again: sorry, but please refer questions to Thomas for now. Perhaps one day I'll open up another GB here but I'm pretty much scarred and sickened by the whole matter, and a still a bit pissed off. Life is just way too short to have to engage in eternal Internet Flame Wars with the possibly unhinged on one side, and nearly every ASIC manufacturers on the other side, failing to meet yet another deadline.
For now, at this point in time: I'm taking a long hiatus from future GBs but will be closing out these GBs along with Thomas, -Redacted-, and bobsag3. Perhaps, I'll return to sales or even escrow here one day, but for now, as a human, and a father, I'm still working through some things.
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