Is Global Warming Real?

[coins4commies]

If anyone here is interested in Science, theres a big development today.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806?searchresult=1

Scientists have a moral obligation to clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat and to “tell it like it is.” On the basis of this obligation and the graphical indicators presented below, we declare, with more than 11,000 scientist signatories from around the world, clearly and unequivocally that planet Earth is facing a climate emergency.

As the Alliance of World Scientists, we stand ready to assist decision-makers in a just transition to a sustainable and equitable future. We urge widespread use of vital signs, which will better allow policymakers, the private sector, and the public to understand the magnitude of this crisis, track progress, and realign priorities for alleviating climate change. The good news is that such transformative change, with social and economic justice for all, promises far greater human well-being than does business as usual. We believe that the prospects will be greatest if decision-makers and all of humanity promptly respond to this warning and declaration of a climate emergency and act to sustain life on planet Earth, our only home.

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This is probably the main reason people resist Science. Selfishness.

Our goals need to shift from GDP growth and the pursuit of affluence toward sustaining ecosystems and improving human well-being by prioritizing basic needs and reducing inequality.

Of course capitalists will try to paint this as a hoax that the entire scientific community is in on.

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[BADecker]

If anyone here is interested in Science, theres a big development today.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806?searchresult=1

Scientists have a moral obligation to clearly warn humanity of any catastrophic threat and to “tell it like it is.” On the basis of this obligation and the graphical indicators presented below, we declare, with more than 11,000 scientist signatories from around the world, clearly and unequivocally that planet Earth is facing a climate emergency.

As the Alliance of World Scientists, we stand ready to assist decision-makers in a just transition to a sustainable and equitable future. We urge widespread use of vital signs, which will better allow policymakers, the private sector, and the public to understand the magnitude of this crisis, track progress, and realign priorities for alleviating climate change. The good news is that such transformative change, with social and economic justice for all, promises far greater human well-being than does business as usual. We believe that the prospects will be greatest if decision-makers and all of humanity promptly respond to this warning and declaration of a climate emergency and act to sustain life on planet Earth, our only home.

Contributing re

This is probably the main reason people resist Science. Selfishness.

Our goals need to shift from GDP growth and the pursuit of affluence toward sustaining ecosystems and improving human well-being by prioritizing basic needs and reducing inequality.

Of course capitalists will try to paint this as a hoax that the entire scientific community is in on.

Scientists who are Christians constantly warn people of the impending doom if they don't turn to God for Jesus-salvation help. Jesus will return shortly. But even if it is 10,000 years before He returns, for you it will seem like at your death. One moment you are alive and even kicking. The next you are being called out of the grave by Jesus in the resurrection, possibly faster than you have even realized that you died.

[styca]

If anyone here is interested in Science, theres a big development today.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806?searchresult=1

Thanks, I've already posted this in the 'hoax is a hoax' thread, and I came here to fight for reason in this thread, too. Glad to see someone else is bombarding people with facts and evidence.

Scientists who are Christians constantly warn people of the impending doom if they don't turn to God for Jesus-salvation help. Jesus will return shortly. But even if it is 10,000 years before He returns, for you it will seem like at your death. One moment you are alive and even kicking. The next you are being called out of the grave by Jesus in the resurrection, possibly faster than you have even realized that you died.

I don't think religion comes into it, just facts. Have a look at the link. 29 charts there for starters, plus references to supplementary evidence.

[Spendulus]

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As the Alliance of World Scientists, we stand ready to assist decision-makers in a just transition to a sustainable and equitable future. We urge widespread use of vital signs, which will better allow policymakers, the private sector, and the public to understand the magnitude of this crisis, track progress, and realign priorities for alleviating climate change. The good news is that such transformative change, with social and economic justice for all

Only necessary to read up to that point to see what that's really all about...

"Science" is not "social and economic justice for all."

"Science" is not "transformative change."

[Spendulus]

.... 29 charts there for starters, plus references to supplementary evidence.

There is nothing wrong with these charts, although most people are unable to understand them or relate them to the larger picture of climate. And in many cases, they cannot be related. They are just presented in a sort of format like "Oh, and what about THIS? And THIS? And how about THAT?"

That is not scientific analysis. It does not separate cause or effect.

A much superior measure is the upper stratospheric temperature as measured by satellite.

[fckle17]

.... 29 charts there for starters, plus references to supplementary evidence.

There is nothing wrong with these charts, although most people are unable to understand them or relate them to the larger picture of climate. And in many cases, they cannot be related. They are just presented in a sort of format like "Oh, and what about THIS? And THIS? And how about THAT?"

That is not scientific analysis. It does not separate cause or effect.

A much superior measure is the upper stratospheric temperature as measured by satellite.

True climatology is a really complex science and making a link between causes of the climate change and climate change itself. What thoses charts are telling is there is a real climate change. Scientist know some of the causes but not all of them. The fact is the actual climate change is to quick to avoid making a link between humans and climate change. Other climate evolution in the past took thousands of year while today the evolution is really fast. 

[BADecker]

If anyone here is interested in Science, theres a big development today.
https://academic.oup.com/bioscience/advance-article/doi/10.1093/biosci/biz088/5610806?searchresult=1

Thanks, I've already posted this in the 'hoax is a hoax' thread, and I came here to fight for reason in this thread, too. Glad to see someone else is bombarding people with facts and evidence.

Scientists who are Christians constantly warn people of the impending doom if they don't turn to God for Jesus-salvation help. Jesus will return shortly. But even if it is 10,000 years before He returns, for you it will seem like at your death. One moment you are alive and even kicking. The next you are being called out of the grave by Jesus in the resurrection, possibly faster than you have even realized that you died.

I don't think religion comes into it, just facts. Have a look at the link. 29 charts there for starters, plus references to supplementary evidence.

A chart maker can sit around all day and make many charts of all different kinds. Get a hundred chart makers together for a year, and thousands of charts can be made. Regarding GW, charts have been made that show increase and others that show decrease. Believing one way or the other, especially for a layman or non-professional who hasn't examined both sides, is more of a religion thing than it is a science thing, until we have proof of what is really going on.

[FX Algo Trading]

oh come on global warming is 100% real,
the major factors causing the current climate change are greenhouse gases, land use changes, and aerosols and soot

[BADecker]

Well, hey! All you GW jokers don't have to sit around with your thumbs blah, blah, blah. Show us the hot weather forecasts.


Several Blasts Of Arctic Air Will Bring Early Winter To Northeast

Several days ago, Ed Vallee, head meteorologist at Empire Weather LLC, stated that an Arctic blast of cold air would roll into the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions later in the week, with the chance of producing one of the first snowmaking weather events of the year.

As of Wednesday morning, there's more evidence that Vallee's forecast has been spot on. Tens of millions across the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions will get an early shot of winter over the next several days.

The first round of Arctic air will make its way from the north-central U.S. into the Great Lakes and Northeast Wednesday through Saturday. The cold weather could produce the first significant snowstorm of the year for parts of the interior, including places like northern New England, where at least 6 inches of snow is expected Thursday into Friday.

Another blast of Arctic air will arrive across the Mid-Atlantic and Northeast regions early next week.

[styca]

We've posted links to a document saying that man-made climate change is real, that is full of evidence and citations, and that has been signed by 11,000 scientists.
No-one can seriously suggest that these 11,000 people are all in on some massive conspiracy. Or that every expert in the world is deluded.
Come on. Is it more likely that 11,000 experts are wrong, or that you are wrong?

[BADecker]

^^^ Look at the post above yours. The 11,000 thing is completely misrepresented.

[Spendulus]

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True climatology is a really complex science ....

There's no reason to continue your comment past that one statement.

It make well be "complex" to those that get degrees in it, but they have less intellectual ability than people that get degrees in astrophysics or straight physics.

Please don't confuse confusion of the mind in the confused with anything other than what it is.

[BADecker]

We've posted links to a document saying that man-made climate change is real, that is full of evidence and citations, and that has been signed by 11,000 scientists.
No-one can seriously suggest that these 11,000 people are all in on some massive conspiracy. Or that every expert in the world is deluded.
Come on. Is it more likely that 11,000 experts are wrong, or that you are wrong?

It absolutely is a conspiracy. But it's probably a conspiracy to remain stupid or ignorant. How do we know? It's commonly understood that CO2 in the atmosphere is approximately 0.03% or 0.04%. Reduce it to 0.01%, and half of the plant life will die off. Why? Because CO2 is what plants eat for food. Then the already starving population will die off for lack of food. The thing that you can't be sure of is that you won't be part of the population that starves to death.

[tvbcof]

We've posted links to a document saying that man-made climate change is real, that is full of evidence and citations, and that has been signed by 11,000 scientists.
No-one can seriously suggest that these 11,000 people are all in on some massive conspiracy. Or that every expert in the world is deluded.
Come on. Is it more likely that 11,000 experts are wrong, or that you are wrong?

It absolutely is a conspiracy. But it's probably a conspiracy to remain stupid or ignorant.  ...

It's a conspiricy to remain employed.  You don't tow the party line on 'global climate change' in academia or 'vaccines are great' in medicine and your ass doesn't work.

Many scientists do come out and talk about what a fraud it is, but almost always after they retire.

[BADecker]

We've posted links to a document saying that man-made climate change is real, that is full of evidence and citations, and that has been signed by 11,000 scientists.
No-one can seriously suggest that these 11,000 people are all in on some massive conspiracy. Or that every expert in the world is deluded.
Come on. Is it more likely that 11,000 experts are wrong, or that you are wrong?

It absolutely is a conspiracy. But it's probably a conspiracy to remain stupid or ignorant.  ...

It's a conspiricy to remain employed.  You don't tow the party line on 'global climate change' in academia or 'vaccines are great' in medicine and your ass doesn't work.

Many scientists do come out and talk about what a fraud it is, but almost always after they retire.

^^ Thank you.     

[Eduarop]

This is the first time I’ve heard about theory that global warming is a myth. When did it appear?  What are its main arguments? All the proofs I found were like “Greenland in IX century was covered with grass”.

This simply shows you how the big money interests control the media so that they can covertly lead you into their one-world government.

Do you really believe in the existence of a one-world government?

[BADecker]

This is the first time I’ve heard about theory that global warming is a myth. When did it appear?  What are its main arguments? All the proofs I found were like “Greenland in IX century was covered with grass”.

This simply shows you how the big money interests control the media so that they can covertly lead you into their one-world government.

Do you really believe in the existence of a one-world government?

I believe that there are those who are attempting to form a formal one-world government. How deep it exists in all governments is unknown, formally.

[styca]

Well, hey! All you GW jokers don't have to sit around with your thumbs blah, blah, blah. Show us the hot weather forecasts.


Several Blasts Of Arctic Air Will Bring Early Winter To Northeast

Global warming means on average. It absolutely doesn't mean that every part of the globe will be hotter at every moment in the year.
In fact global warming leads to greater temperature volatility. Yes, long droughts and fires, but also stronger hurricanes and heavier rainfall.
You go out on a summer's day, and it can be very humid. Go out on a winter's day, and it is never humid. Hot air contains more water. Hot air has more energy. Global warming doesn't mean hotter everywhere all the time, it means hotter on average, globally, year to year. GW is weather on steroids.

[gabmen]

Well, hey! All you GW jokers don't have to sit around with your thumbs blah, blah, blah. Show us the hot weather forecasts.


Several Blasts Of Arctic Air Will Bring Early Winter To Northeast

Global warming means on average. It absolutely doesn't mean that every part of the globe will be hotter at every moment in the year.
In fact global warming leads to greater temperature volatility. Yes, long droughts and fires, but also stronger hurricanes and heavier rainfall.
You go out on a summer's day, and it can be very humid. Go out on a winter's day, and it is never humid. Hot air contains more water. Hot air has more energy. Global warming doesn't mean hotter everywhere all the time, it means hotter on average, globally, year to year. GW is weather on steroids.

And it's evident nowadays and we can certainly feel it's effects. I wonder how other people can stay blind and say it's not happening.  In a span of a decade, we've managed to help accelerate the effects of Global Warming. We're becoming a bigger threat to ourselves and other species and the future generations would likely be the one to reap everything we're sowing today.

[styca]

I wonder how other people can stay blind and say it's not happening.

Me too. I think it's largely due to the right-wing politicans protecting vested interests in areas like oil, and people then accepting what they're told by these politicans.
Of course the deniers can say that we are just doing the same thing by believing in what climate scientists say.

What's the difference between the two positions? The mountains and mountains of evidence proving man-made climate change.