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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
I believe its upto an individual to decide who and how many to marry unless the people involved in such arrangement are not okay with it. Just not man but woman should be given freedom to have more than one husbands if she and them desire. There are stories on net about happy families which such arrangements and they even foster kids. Personally, i would have a single partner and soul mate and give my all to one.
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
I believe its upto an individual to decide who and how many to marry unless the people involved in such arrangement are not okay with it. Just not man but woman should be given freedom to have more than one husbands if she and them desire. There are stories on net about happy families which such arrangements and they even foster kids. Personally, i would have a single partner and soul mate and give my all to one. Actually, in the USA, it IS up to the individuals to decide. Government has the right to dictate how its own use of marriage can exist in the public. If a person applies to government, government has the right to dictate what is done. Government is basically there to regulate relationships in the public. The marriage license is a public statement, as are the rules about how many wives you can have under government licensing. Notice that most of the time government doesn't regulate what you do in private, in your own home. Consider, also, that consenting adults have the right to get together in private, and even to some extent in public. So, if you really want to be married to a bunch of people, you can do it in private. But the regulation has to be by agreement, where you are not harming each other, at least by intent. But when you are married privately, and go into the public, you might be prohibited even from stating that you are all married. Why? Because because most people in the public will understand that you mean marriage according to the way government has prescribed it. This means that you had better write out your private agreement so that all your wives or husbands understand that your private marriage is a private membership thing. Enter, the Private Membership Association (PMA). In the last year alone, the numbers of PMAs have increased greatly. I don't know that anybody has applied the PMA to private marriage, yet. But why not? Do Internet searches on it, and in Youtube. Three major points to consider in PMA marriages, or private marriages without a formal PMA: 1. DON'T DO IT. Polygamy will be trouble for almost all people who do it; 2. What about the children? There are all kinds of legal problems of having children who are private property and yet public in some ways; 3. Be ready for fights with government. You need to know the difference between lawful and legal, and why legal doesn't apply to you in private. The PMA simply tells government that the members of the PMA are private, and tells them in a way that government will understand. But where children are involved in a PMA, government is going to fight. Why will government fight about PMA children? Look at this: Arizona Senator David Farnsworth Says Fellow Republican Lawmaker, Kate Brophy McGee...An Arizona senator called police on a fellow lawmaker who told him to stop talking to people who believe there's a link between the state's foster care system and a worldwide sex trafficking ring.
Republican Sen. David Farnsworth told police that he felt threatened when confronted by fellow GOP Sen. Kate Brophy McGee.
Farnsworth has been meeting every two weeks with a group of critics of the Arizona Department of Child Safety, including a group that has accused the foster-care agency of direct involvement in child trafficking. Some on social media have claimed there's a broad conspiracy involving judges, caseworkers, lawmakers, the governor and prosecutors to cover up sex trafficking.
Farnsworth told the Arizona Capitol Times that Brophy McGee told him to "lose the entourage" of conspiracy theorists and "crazy parents" whose children were taken by state child welfare authorities. In other words, government wants all the children they can get to use as object for their hidden child trafficking rings. CPS (Child Protective Services) loses loads of kids each year. Members of CPS are trafficking the kids for money. Read the article, and follow up on the links in it.![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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Christians cannot be married to more than 1 women at the same time. If they get a divorce then of course officially(legally) they can marry another woman. I am not sure if there is anything in the Bible against remarriage and divorce, but I do know the vows both the groom and the bride need to say and between them is that they need to love and support each other through bad and good times no matter what until death will divide them.
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October 31, 2019, 06:54:16 PM Last edit: November 01, 2019, 08:13:28 AM by BADecker |
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Christians cannot be married to more than 1 women at the same time. If they get a divorce then of course officially(legally) they can marry another woman. I am not sure if there is anything in the Bible against remarriage and divorce, but I do know the vows both the groom and the bride need to say and between them is that they need to love and support each other through bad and good times no matter what until death will divide them.
Bit this is your opinion. And I commend you for continuing in what you believe. But find the law that says that men can't have more than one wife? If you can't find it, how do you really know it exists? In both the Old and early New Testament times, more than one wife was law at times, and at least acceptable at other times. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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November 01, 2019, 02:22:51 AM |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
The question seems to be too one sided and male dominated. My question to forum is that are we concerned with christian man having more than two wives. Why cant we debate on polygamy practices and freedom for christian woman. I strongly feel that such choices and arrangements depends on an individual and should be respected for whatever it is until it does not hurt anyone.
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November 01, 2019, 08:16:22 AM |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
The question seems to be too one sided and male dominated. My question to forum is that are we concerned with christian man having more than two wives. Why cant we debate on polygamy practices and freedom for christian woman. I strongly feel that such choices and arrangements depends on an individual and should be respected for whatever it is until it does not hurt anyone. The problem with a woman having more than one husband is, there would be no easy way to determine who the father of each child was. At least, that was the way it was in the past. DNA testing could answer this question today. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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November 01, 2019, 04:30:34 PM |
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Christians cannot be married to more than 1 women at the same time. If they get a divorce then of course officially(legally) they can marry another woman. I am not sure if there is anything in the Bible against remarriage and divorce, but I do know the vows both the groom and the bride need to say and between them is that they need to love and support each other through bad and good times no matter what until death will divide them.
I agree with you we should abide the law and of course abide what God has said to us, it is really sinful doings if we will not follow it. Besides it is much better if you are having one wife only which makes the life of your family happy and satisfied. Except that God never forbids being married to more than one wife, except in the case of a church leader. Or do you have a reference? ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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November 01, 2019, 04:59:04 PM |
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Before opening this thread, the answer that came up to my mind, is no. Since that's the Christians belief, and I haven't seen somebody embodying polygamy on their households. And it's more like a muslim thing, having more than one wife. But, with BADecker's answer: -snip-
With this, this would be troublesome lol. I believe that two half should find each other to be built as one. Well, that can't be helped if a person isn't contented with one wife.
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November 01, 2019, 11:15:00 PM |
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^^^ But the point is that Christian men CAN marry more than one wife. Sure, there will be more trouble, generally. Sure none of the wives will feel fulfilled unless the guy is almost a superman. Sure it should be by agreement of the wife or all the wives. Sure, it might have to be marriage in private rather than marriage by the State's meaning of the word "marriage." But since polygamy was required in some circumstances by the people of the Old Testament and the people of the early New Testament, the only change is by today's agreements of Christians. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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November 03, 2019, 08:17:35 PM |
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I'm the old testament, Polygamy was supported and even encouraged but as humans we tend to take advantage of every situation we find ourselves in and that is why a man with power married 709 wives and still had 300 concubines on top, even if he rotates his wives and concubines, he wouldn't be able to visit anyone twice for 3 years, that's human excess.
The new testament is quite different, "what God has joined together, let no man out assunder" is as good as any confirmation that a man should be monogamous, because a second wife can definitely out assunder between a married couple, we might all read the same thing but like we all know, it's open to interpretation depending on each individual.
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November 03, 2019, 08:42:03 PM |
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I'm the old testament, Polygamy was supported and even encouraged but as humans we tend to take advantage of every situation we find ourselves in and that is why a man with power married 709 wives and still had 300 concubines on top, even if he rotates his wives and concubines, he wouldn't be able to visit anyone twice for 3 years, that's human excess.
The new testament is quite different, "what God has joined together, let no man out assunder" is as good as any confirmation that a man should be monogamous, because a second wife can definitely out assunder between a married couple, we might all read the same thing but like we all know, it's open to interpretation depending on each individual.
People can do the "assunder" thing without a second wife. Having a second wife doesn't suddenly make assunder happen, especially if all the parties involved are in agreement with the second and additional marriages. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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November 03, 2019, 09:54:12 PM |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
That is prohibited to the christian preach base from the bible, and Aside from the bible marry more than one wife is punishable by the law if I am not its called bigame. That is under hrein my location because we need to respect also the feeling of the women.
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November 03, 2019, 11:54:56 PM Last edit: November 06, 2019, 03:25:16 PM by BADecker |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
That is prohibited to the christian preach base from the bible, and Aside from the bible marry more than one wife is punishable by the law if I am not its called bigame. That is under hrein my location because we need to respect also the feeling of the women. If there is a national law against it, then it is punishable by the government. If there is a particular church law against it, then it is punishable by excommunication. If there is a custom against it, then it is punishable by community rejection and ousting. But that is essentially all. If the parties live in areas where there are no laws or customs against it, then multiple wives are acceptable. More than one wife is not a violation of a direct law given by God. HOWEVER, the warnings given by St. Paul, Solomon (if only by example), and others that more than one wife will be troublesome, should be a warning for all people. These days people can barely stay married. And many of them don't. So, it will take lots of fortitude to stay married with multiple wives. So, don't do it. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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November 06, 2019, 08:03:44 AM |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
That is prohibited to the christian preach base from the bible, and Aside from the bible marry more than one wife is punishable by the law if I am not its called bigame. That is under hrein my location because we need to respect also the feeling of the women. And we know that only Islam has a right for that if they can sustain every women that they want. All of us we know or the Christians know about you cannot or you don't have to perform marriage to others if there are papers that you are marriage to someone so you need to assure that you unvalid your marriage for your wife before marrying again.
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November 06, 2019, 02:02:33 PM |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
I feel people make religion and some follow them blindly or as per own self motives. Anyone, irrespective of religion should be allowed to marry however how many people they want. Should be left to personal choice and of the partner(s). If polygamy is allowed and common in one religion, it should be allowed in other religion too.
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November 06, 2019, 03:42:26 PM |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
I feel people make religion and some follow them blindly or as per own self motives. Anyone, irrespective of religion should be allowed to marry however how many people they want. Should be left to personal choice and of the partner(s). If polygamy is allowed and common in one religion, it should be allowed in other religion too. In the USA, people have the polygamy right. What they don't have is the right to do it in a formally legal fashion. How do we know this? Because there are multitudes of court cases that show consenting adults have the right to get together. The getting together of consenting adults throws the responsibility of what these adults do, back onto the people. People need to use something else other than government as their guide if they consent to be together. The guide should be the religions, and especially the religious idea that if they get together, they stay together. When people stay together, they are essentially married, even if it isn't formally spoken like this. But they can't say that they are married polygamy-style to government if government won't accept it. But because government says "consenting adults," they can say marriage among themselves. This means that marriage means something different to government and the public, than it means to people in private. We want peace in our lives. If the local community where polygamy is taking place says that it's wrong, they are talking as a community, a government. Why? Because government formally says "consenting adults." But people don't understand this about government. So they still think that private polygamy is wrong, legally. The point is, if you know that the community isn't going to accept it, even if the community is wrong to not accept it, why would you do it and create turmoil in the community? Work for peace in the community. Don't even do private polygamy if it is going to disrupt the community. If you DO polygamy, realize that marriage is supposed to be for life, and that you are doing it until "death do us part." So, move away from people who won't accept it, so you don't offend them. And don't call it polygamy to government, because most governments (in the West, at least) won't accept it. Don't even call it polygamy if you are taken to court. Simply call it what is in the eyes of government, consenting adults. ![Cool](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cool.gif)
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November 06, 2019, 04:02:19 PM |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
I feel people make religion and some follow them blindly or as per own self motives. Anyone, irrespective of religion should be allowed to marry however how many people they want. Should be left to personal choice and of the partner(s). If polygamy is allowed and common in one religion, it should be allowed in other religion too. The Bible never said anything about polygamy so to my understanding in general, everyone is free to do what he/she likes but the law has a totally different view of thing where polygamy is strongly forbidden but when you go to most Islamic countries, there is nothing wrong with that but it's pegged at a man having five wives at most.
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Some people here wrote Christians won't do it, but you would be surprised. There are exceptions... Monogamy was the norm among Christians, However, in the context of the sickness of a wife preventing matrimonial intercourse, the founder of the Protestant Reformation, Martin Luther wrote: "I confess that I cannot forbid a person to marry several wives, for it does not contradict the Scripture. If a man wishes to marry more than one wife he should be asked whether he is satisfied in his conscience that he may do so in accordance with the word of God. In such a case the civil authority has nothing to do in the matter." Thing is, Christianity comes from Judaism, and Judaism practiced it. It was especially common in rulers, not just because they were rich, but to forge pacts and alliances with other countries etc. By the time Islam came into being, polygamy was still practiced among their contemporaries, even Christians. But some simply never got married, because of celibate etc. Today some Christian denominations/sects practice it. Most secular laws in the west forbid it, and in that case they do it "in private", to avoid the (secular) legal troubles. In more recent times you see for instance kings in Africa, convert to Christianity, but they happen to have like 15 wives or so, they make exceptions (not letting him marry more, etc). However, a small group of evangelical Christians in the West numbering 50,000 persons practice Christian polygamy, believing that the Bible glorifies this form of marriage, citing the fact that many biblical prophets had multiple wives, including David, Abraham, Jacob and Solomon. Individual evangelical Christian pastors throughout Christendom have married more than one woman. The Presbyterian missionary Harold Turner acknowledged that the practice of polygamy was a cultural norm in some parts of the world, such as Africa, and cautioned against Western Christian missionaries imposing the foreign cultural norm of monogamy on the Christians of Africa as the latter would lead to the sins of divorce, leaving children without both of their parents, and remarriage of the divorced wife.
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November 06, 2019, 06:46:52 PM |
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Christian men can marry more than one wife no bible verses is against polygamy
I feel people make religion and some follow them blindly or as per own self motives. Anyone, irrespective of religion should be allowed to marry however how many people they want. Should be left to personal choice and of the partner(s). If polygamy is allowed and common in one religion, it should be allowed in other religion too. This is very dangerous for the world. If anyone should be allowed to marry as many people as they want there would be a lot of society anomalies. Also, due to the fact that sexual activity is something that transfers a lot of diseases it may create pandemia or something that would infect the global population.
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This is very dangerous for the world. If anyone should be allowed to marry as many people as they want there would be a lot of society anomalies. Also, due to the fact that sexual activity is something that transfers a lot of diseases it may create pandemia or something that would infect the global population. Are you not confusing promiscuity with polygamy? The whole point of marriage is so they don't go to other partners, and precisely avoid what you describe. Else they wouldn't bother with marriage at all.
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