Lets Make a new board/section for "Merit Discussion"

[TheUltraElite]

I am tired of seeing shitposting pajeets coming to the "Meta" section who are making new threads every hour about the merit system and then shitposting through it trying to ass-lick the merit system and failing horribly at kissing the feet of the Merit sources.

I know these people have no life because even after introduction in late January these people still cant understand what merit is and how its earned and what will happen if they attempt to beg for merits.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

This section will be devoid of all signatures as well

Now, to the shitposting pajeets who make up 99% of the forum population (If that is a population at all), Please please dont derail the thread saying "Merit is good and all".

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[TMAN]

But Merit broke my life...

Either a new sub - or go with my idea below!

At first I didn't think it would be possible to come up with a de-ranking system that would work but after sleeping on it I think I might have got it.

The forum should hire in addition to moderators a new elite group of Shitpost Scrutineers (The SS for short). It would be their job to monitor all sections of the forum but focus on the spam megathreads and award -1 merit for every shitpost they find. Any account would be instantly demoted to the rank their new merit count earned and if they reached a negative merit count they would be nuked.

How about anyone below the rank of full member who uses the word merit gets nuked? could be automated.. would remove 5 billion threads and posts.

[hilariousetc]

Well the merit system is still pretty new but the talk and crying will hopefully calm down shortly once people get used to it or accept that it is here to stay. If we do create a new sub section maybe make posts in there not be meritable . The threads about merit where people are really just trying to sneakily get merit are pretty blatant and annoying.

[greeklogos]

From the day of it's appearance Merit system really was discussed a lot, but I think there is no need in a special board/section, cause this topic will stop to be actual one day and users will accept it as something usual and normal. Just give them some time to get used to it.

[TheUltraElite]

Well the merit system is still pretty new but the talk and crying will hopefully calm down shortly once people get used to it or accept that it is here to stay.

But it has been applied in late January like I said in OP and we are about to end the first week on March now. It has been here for about 1.5month approximately. That is quite some time to get acquainted about it.

If we do create a new sub section maybe make posts in there not be meritable .

Good idea and Signatures will not be allowed there like I said in OP - so as to render that section totally ineffective towards Merit Passive-asslicking and trying to increase post count.

The threads about merit where people are really just trying to sneakily get merit are pretty blatant and annoying.

This is exactly what I want to stop once and for all. Its annoying AF and this flood of merit queries in "Meta" is actually making the other threads go the next pages while shitposting pajeets are ass-kissing for merits.

From the day of it's appearance Merit system really was discussed a lot, but I think there is no need in a special board/section, cause this topic will stop to be actual one day and users will accept it as something usual and normal. Just give them some time to get used to it.

Did you read my OP? Stop shitposting and then read it 100times and then go write it on a piece of paper without looking at it Make sure to be able to carbon-copy it before you comment again here.

[Joel_Jantsen]

[tomahawk9]

Well the merit system is still pretty new but  the talk and crying will hopefully calm down shortly once people get used to it or accept that it is here to stay.

It's been over a month since the Merit system was implemented and the same kind of shitposts about the merit system keep popping up every day. The influx of new users won't stop, therefore, the shitposting spam fest about Merits won't stop.

I think a Child Board with the Merit & new rank requirements thead as a sticky thread might be the best solution.

[loengrinm]

I do not agree to this suggestion because:

1) This is just a change to forum rules and thus there is no need to create  a separate section for it. We may see further changes if the merit system fails to combat the spam completely. Should we create a separate section for all those changes in future ?

2) With time members will get used to the merit system and thus these posts and threads will disappear. Then that section will become useless or look weird without any activity.

But one suggestion that you gave regarding pinning the official thread is correct. It can however be done here itself.

[TheUltraElite]

I do not agree to this suggestion because:

1) This is just a change to forum rules and thus there is no need to create  a separate section for it. We may see further changes if the merit system fails to combat the spam completely. Should we create a separate section for all those changes in future ?

Merit is not exactly a forum "rule". It is a system - something like the reputation system in other forums - just for the sake of crude comparison, since both serve different purposes. Also Merit is here to stay. Modification may be made but it wont be removed. Any changes done to merit system can be reflected in that section.

2) With time members will get used to the merit system and thus these posts and threads will disappear.

Again you did not read my OP. It has been 1.5m already.

Then that section will become useless or look weird without any activity.

Are you aware of a section called "Chinese Students" here in "Other". It also had some purpose and after its purpose was complete it became inactive. What is the problem?

But one suggestion that you gave regarding pinning the official thread is correct. It can however be done here itself.

Why not keep specific pinned posts to specific places?

[Jet Cash]

It might be handy to have a restricted board for members who have given away more than 100 merit ( say ). I think it would be useful for people who are actively awarding merit to discuss policy. For example, I gave a merit to a new guy who hadn't received any. His post wasn't outstanding, but it was well written and on topic. When I looked at his recent history, most of his post were of similar quality. No indivual post made me think " Yes, that's worth a merit", but looking at the collection, I thought he was a useful contributor to the forum.

Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

[coolcoinz]

Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

I think that you did. We shouldn't treat merit as something that only exceptional posters deserve. We have so much merit that we can share some points with new users who are showing interest in the subject and spending a while before they write something. You can see that in some posts that they aren't just generic responses.
I tend to give merit to posters whose posts I like and agree with, posts I personally find entertaining. They not necessarily have to be informative or witty. I think many of us (me included) are hoarding merit points like we were afraid to merit someone that is a spammer trying to act smart to collect some merit.

[Jet Cash]

I wish I could give mine away, because that would mean I've found some great posters and posting.

I seem to have a resistance at 30, so maybe I should go on another merit award spree. The trouble with that is that I seem to find more posters to add to my ignore list, than I find to award merit.

[EthanB]

I don't think creating a new section would be necessary. The Meta board fluctuates in it's content a lot over time. I remember when the Meta wasn't full of much discussion and almost entirely revolved around the "Stake your address" thread. It's that whatever seems to be the hot topic in regards to the forum will orient Meta heavily to that direction. We're just being introduced to merit recently and so this naturally makes a lot of people flock to the Meta section and try to figure out what's happening to the forum. The meta section is for this kind of discussion, if we had to make a new section for big changes that the forum undergoes then we would also need a couple of other sections. We didn't create a board to discuss "Marketplace Trust"; there are scam accusations and reputation, which comes close, but that is more about individuals and their interaction with the system and not the system itself. When someone chooses to discuss Trust and it's inner-workings this is done on the Meta board, the same should apply for Merit.

[cabalism13]

I am tired of seeing shitposting pajeets coming to the "Meta" section who are making new threads every hour about the merit system and then shitposting through it trying to ass-lick the merit system and failing horribly at kissing the feet of the Merit sources.

I know these people have no life because even after introduction in late January these people still cant understand what merit is and how its earned and what will happen if they attempt to beg for merits.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

This section will be devoid of all signatures as well

Now, to the shitposting pajeets who make up 99% of the forum population (If that is a population at all), Please please dont derail the thread saying "Merit is good and all".

Of course it will be the main topic as of now because it hasnt been 3months since it was implemented by Theymos, and so many newbies are now joining here in BCT that's why there are so many repeating threads.
We can't blame them for being lazy not to read some older posts, people nowadays aren't so diligent to make thise things and thats the reason why they're just shitposting wherever they want.

If Theymos would possibly do that, adding a new section for Merit discussion I think he would do it in the first place. Those topics wont even last much longer, its just that they annoys us from seeing that threads beings repeated day by day thats why we've been giving such proposals to dispose it in a nice way.

[joniboini]

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We can't blame them for being lazy not to read some older posts, people nowadays aren't so diligent to make thise things and thats the reason why they're just shitposting wherever they want.
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You know, I do think it is their fault and we can blame them. Their laziness went out of hand already.
As a new user, it is a must to read the pinned thread, browse a little about the forum, try to understand all of them and etc.
It is an unwritten rule for every forum that I've joined, not only in Bitcointalk.

By the way, the topics that they choose to create a new thread isn't entirely different from each other.
Most of them talk about the bad or good of merit, a suggestion to improve merit system and etc.
I'm truly bored seeing them in this meta sub.

[EthanB]

It might be handy to have a restricted board for members who have given away more than 100 merit ( say ). I think it would be useful for people who are actively awarding merit to discuss policy. For example, Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

One problem I see with this is that merit shouldn't be held to policy standards laid out by other Merit sources. You should be free to make your own judgements and rules without feeling scrutinized when your intentions are genuine. The example you gave sounds like what QuestionAuthority is doing and I think most people are alright with that. Obviously when you're looking for suggestions you can seek the council of others, but I just meant in general if you have a good reason for giving someone a merit then you've done the right thing.

[TheUltraElite]

I don't think creating a new section would be necessary. The Meta board fluctuates in it's content a lot over time. I remember when the Meta wasn't full of much discussion and almost entirely revolved around the "Stake your address" thread. It's that whatever seems to be the hot topic in regards to the forum will orient Meta heavily to that direction. We're just being introduced to merit recently and so this naturally makes a lot of people flock to the Meta section and try to figure out what's happening to the forum. The meta section is for this kind of discussion, if we had to make a new section for big changes that the forum undergoes then we would also need a couple of other sections. We didn't create a board to discuss "Marketplace Trust"; there are scam accusations and reputation, which comes close, but that is more about individuals and their interaction with the system and not the system itself. When someone chooses to discuss Trust and it's inner-workings this is done on the Meta board, the same should apply for Merit.

Have you seen the  "Reputation" section of the forum? All "Marketplace Trust" issues are posted there. I think you should look around the different sections a bit more than you generally do. Similarly "meta" is for discussion related to the forum. But considering the number of threads where shitposters are trying to increase post count simply by talking good about the merit system - like "shilling" the merit system - I had come up with this idea.

It might be handy to have a restricted board for members who have given away more than 100 merit ( say ). I think it would be useful for people who are actively awarding merit to discuss policy. For example, Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

One problem I see with this is that merit shouldn't be held to policy standards laid out by other Merit sources. You should be free to make your own judgements and rules without feeling scrutinized when your intentions are genuine. The example you gave sounds like what QuestionAuthority is doing and I think most people are alright with that. Obviously when you're looking for suggestions you can seek the council of others, but I just meant in general if you have a good reason for giving someone a merit then you've done the right thing.

There are some guidelines for what to give merit to. But this is again subjective. So I wont argue about it.

[EthanB]

Have you seen the  "Reputation" section of the forum? All "Marketplace Trust" issues are posted there. Similarly "meta" is for discussion related to the forum. But considering the number of threads where shitposters are trying to increase post count simply by talking good about the merit system - like "shilling" the merit system - I had come up with this idea.

I may not have explained myself as thoroughly as I would have liked. I would agree that almost all marketplace trust issues related to individuals are discussed in the reputation board, but when someone is discussing the system of trust, suggesting changes, improvements or the removal it would only be appropriate in the Meta section. Sometime an individual will provoke the entire system to change, and so this would be one of the only rare cases where discussion of the system would overlap with the Reputation board. I agree though, the "shilling" for merit posts are absorbing most of the Meta section and it is obnoxious. I'd think that time would be the best remedy for this, but this would probably be where our disagreement lies on this subject. I still see Merit Discussion as a part of Forum related discussion, since it only affects the forum and how we interact with one another. I wouldn't see it as a problem to make it a sub-section of Meta, preferably temporarily if so, to calm the waters or give a release valve for all of these posts. My main point was that the threads you're calling into question do fit into the criteria/guidelines for the Meta section, so creating another board would be redundant unless we change the purpose of the Meta section. If we were to do this, I do not see why we would need a Meta section at all, when we could just have a new board for every feature.

I think you should look around the different sections a bit more than you generally do.

This statement would be true for anybody. The implication though, is that I don't fully understand how each section operates or what the purpose of it is. I disagree with this implication vehemently. I read a lot more than I post, so if you are basing where I spend my time on where I post you would be sorely mistaken. I don't post in boards that I am completely clueless about the topic, but this is where I spend the majority of my time and do the majority of my learning.

[greeklogos]

From the day of it's appearance Merit system really was discussed a lot, but I think there is no need in a special board/section, cause this topic will stop to be actual one day and users will accept it as something usual and normal. Just give them some time to get used to it.

Did you read my OP? Stop shitposting and then read it 100times and then go write it on a piece of paper without looking at it Make sure to be able to carbon-copy it before you comment again here.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, here you suggest to creat a board about merit discussion. Right? I simply told you that in such board there is no need cause users will get used to it one day and merit system will stop to be so actual like it is now. Now, do you always call other people's opinions as shit ones when it is opposite to yours?

[TheUltraElite]

Correct me if I'm wrong, here you suggest to creat a board about merit discussion. Right? I simply told you that in such board there is no need cause users will get used to it one day and merit system will stop to be so actual like it is now. Now, do you always call other people's opinions as shit ones when it is opposite to yours?

Again read my OP fully before snipping parts of it to try to use them against me. It has been 1.5 months already and still there is an influx of threads on merit in the "meta" section which is originally made for discussions about the forum. But then not all discussions are made here - for example the trust related stuff are discussed in "Reputation". Similarly a "Merit Discussion" for these threads.

If you still dont understand what I am trying to mean or explain then please dont come here to comment. I will be reporting them as Off-topic for the moderators to clean them up.