Lets Make a new board/section for "Merit Discussion"

[TheUltraElite]

I am tired of seeing shitposting pajeets coming to the "Meta" section who are making new threads every hour about the merit system and then shitposting through it trying to ass-lick the merit system and failing horribly at kissing the feet of the Merit sources.

I know these people have no life because even after introduction in late January these people still cant understand what merit is and how its earned and what will happen if they attempt to beg for merits.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

This section will be devoid of all signatures as well

Now, to the shitposting pajeets who make up 99% of the forum population (If that is a population at all), Please please dont derail the thread saying "Merit is good and all".

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[TMAN]

But Merit broke my life...

Either a new sub - or go with my idea below!

At first I didn't think it would be possible to come up with a de-ranking system that would work but after sleeping on it I think I might have got it.

The forum should hire in addition to moderators a new elite group of Shitpost Scrutineers (The SS for short). It would be their job to monitor all sections of the forum but focus on the spam megathreads and award -1 merit for every shitpost they find. Any account would be instantly demoted to the rank their new merit count earned and if they reached a negative merit count they would be nuked.

How about anyone below the rank of full member who uses the word merit gets nuked? could be automated.. would remove 5 billion threads and posts.

[hilariousetc]

Well the merit system is still pretty new but the talk and crying will hopefully calm down shortly once people get used to it or accept that it is here to stay. If we do create a new sub section maybe make posts in there not be meritable . The threads about merit where people are really just trying to sneakily get merit are pretty blatant and annoying.

[greeklogos]

From the day of it's appearance Merit system really was discussed a lot, but I think there is no need in a special board/section, cause this topic will stop to be actual one day and users will accept it as something usual and normal. Just give them some time to get used to it.

[TheUltraElite]

Well the merit system is still pretty new but the talk and crying will hopefully calm down shortly once people get used to it or accept that it is here to stay.

But it has been applied in late January like I said in OP and we are about to end the first week on March now. It has been here for about 1.5month approximately. That is quite some time to get acquainted about it.

If we do create a new sub section maybe make posts in there not be meritable .

Good idea and Signatures will not be allowed there like I said in OP - so as to render that section totally ineffective towards Merit Passive-asslicking and trying to increase post count.

The threads about merit where people are really just trying to sneakily get merit are pretty blatant and annoying.

This is exactly what I want to stop once and for all. Its annoying AF and this flood of merit queries in "Meta" is actually making the other threads go the next pages while shitposting pajeets are ass-kissing for merits.

From the day of it's appearance Merit system really was discussed a lot, but I think there is no need in a special board/section, cause this topic will stop to be actual one day and users will accept it as something usual and normal. Just give them some time to get used to it.

Did you read my OP? Stop shitposting and then read it 100times and then go write it on a piece of paper without looking at it Make sure to be able to carbon-copy it before you comment again here.

[Joel_Jantsen]

[tomahawk9]

Well the merit system is still pretty new but  the talk and crying will hopefully calm down shortly once people get used to it or accept that it is here to stay.

It's been over a month since the Merit system was implemented and the same kind of shitposts about the merit system keep popping up every day. The influx of new users won't stop, therefore, the shitposting spam fest about Merits won't stop.

I think a Child Board with the Merit & new rank requirements thead as a sticky thread might be the best solution.

[loengrinm]

I do not agree to this suggestion because:

1) This is just a change to forum rules and thus there is no need to create  a separate section for it. We may see further changes if the merit system fails to combat the spam completely. Should we create a separate section for all those changes in future ?

2) With time members will get used to the merit system and thus these posts and threads will disappear. Then that section will become useless or look weird without any activity.

But one suggestion that you gave regarding pinning the official thread is correct. It can however be done here itself.

[TheUltraElite]

I do not agree to this suggestion because:

1) This is just a change to forum rules and thus there is no need to create  a separate section for it. We may see further changes if the merit system fails to combat the spam completely. Should we create a separate section for all those changes in future ?

Merit is not exactly a forum "rule". It is a system - something like the reputation system in other forums - just for the sake of crude comparison, since both serve different purposes. Also Merit is here to stay. Modification may be made but it wont be removed. Any changes done to merit system can be reflected in that section.

2) With time members will get used to the merit system and thus these posts and threads will disappear.

Again you did not read my OP. It has been 1.5m already.

Then that section will become useless or look weird without any activity.

Are you aware of a section called "Chinese Students" here in "Other". It also had some purpose and after its purpose was complete it became inactive. What is the problem?

But one suggestion that you gave regarding pinning the official thread is correct. It can however be done here itself.

Why not keep specific pinned posts to specific places?

[Jet Cash]

It might be handy to have a restricted board for members who have given away more than 100 merit ( say ). I think it would be useful for people who are actively awarding merit to discuss policy. For example, I gave a merit to a new guy who hadn't received any. His post wasn't outstanding, but it was well written and on topic. When I looked at his recent history, most of his post were of similar quality. No indivual post made me think " Yes, that's worth a merit", but looking at the collection, I thought he was a useful contributor to the forum.

Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

[coolcoinz]

Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

I think that you did. We shouldn't treat merit as something that only exceptional posters deserve. We have so much merit that we can share some points with new users who are showing interest in the subject and spending a while before they write something. You can see that in some posts that they aren't just generic responses.
I tend to give merit to posters whose posts I like and agree with, posts I personally find entertaining. They not necessarily have to be informative or witty. I think many of us (me included) are hoarding merit points like we were afraid to merit someone that is a spammer trying to act smart to collect some merit.

[Jet Cash]

I wish I could give mine away, because that would mean I've found some great posters and posting.

I seem to have a resistance at 30, so maybe I should go on another merit award spree. The trouble with that is that I seem to find more posters to add to my ignore list, than I find to award merit.

[EthanB]

I don't think creating a new section would be necessary. The Meta board fluctuates in it's content a lot over time. I remember when the Meta wasn't full of much discussion and almost entirely revolved around the "Stake your address" thread. It's that whatever seems to be the hot topic in regards to the forum will orient Meta heavily to that direction. We're just being introduced to merit recently and so this naturally makes a lot of people flock to the Meta section and try to figure out what's happening to the forum. The meta section is for this kind of discussion, if we had to make a new section for big changes that the forum undergoes then we would also need a couple of other sections. We didn't create a board to discuss "Marketplace Trust"; there are scam accusations and reputation, which comes close, but that is more about individuals and their interaction with the system and not the system itself. When someone chooses to discuss Trust and it's inner-workings this is done on the Meta board, the same should apply for Merit.

[cabalism13]

I am tired of seeing shitposting pajeets coming to the "Meta" section who are making new threads every hour about the merit system and then shitposting through it trying to ass-lick the merit system and failing horribly at kissing the feet of the Merit sources.

I know these people have no life because even after introduction in late January these people still cant understand what merit is and how its earned and what will happen if they attempt to beg for merits.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

This section will be devoid of all signatures as well

Now, to the shitposting pajeets who make up 99% of the forum population (If that is a population at all), Please please dont derail the thread saying "Merit is good and all".

Of course it will be the main topic as of now because it hasnt been 3months since it was implemented by Theymos, and so many newbies are now joining here in BCT that's why there are so many repeating threads.
We can't blame them for being lazy not to read some older posts, people nowadays aren't so diligent to make thise things and thats the reason why they're just shitposting wherever they want.

If Theymos would possibly do that, adding a new section for Merit discussion I think he would do it in the first place. Those topics wont even last much longer, its just that they annoys us from seeing that threads beings repeated day by day thats why we've been giving such proposals to dispose it in a nice way.

[joniboini]

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We can't blame them for being lazy not to read some older posts, people nowadays aren't so diligent to make thise things and thats the reason why they're just shitposting wherever they want.
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You know, I do think it is their fault and we can blame them. Their laziness went out of hand already.
As a new user, it is a must to read the pinned thread, browse a little about the forum, try to understand all of them and etc.
It is an unwritten rule for every forum that I've joined, not only in Bitcointalk.

By the way, the topics that they choose to create a new thread isn't entirely different from each other.
Most of them talk about the bad or good of merit, a suggestion to improve merit system and etc.
I'm truly bored seeing them in this meta sub.

[EthanB]

It might be handy to have a restricted board for members who have given away more than 100 merit ( say ). I think it would be useful for people who are actively awarding merit to discuss policy. For example, Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

One problem I see with this is that merit shouldn't be held to policy standards laid out by other Merit sources. You should be free to make your own judgements and rules without feeling scrutinized when your intentions are genuine. The example you gave sounds like what QuestionAuthority is doing and I think most people are alright with that. Obviously when you're looking for suggestions you can seek the council of others, but I just meant in general if you have a good reason for giving someone a merit then you've done the right thing.

[TheUltraElite]

I don't think creating a new section would be necessary. The Meta board fluctuates in it's content a lot over time. I remember when the Meta wasn't full of much discussion and almost entirely revolved around the "Stake your address" thread. It's that whatever seems to be the hot topic in regards to the forum will orient Meta heavily to that direction. We're just being introduced to merit recently and so this naturally makes a lot of people flock to the Meta section and try to figure out what's happening to the forum. The meta section is for this kind of discussion, if we had to make a new section for big changes that the forum undergoes then we would also need a couple of other sections. We didn't create a board to discuss "Marketplace Trust"; there are scam accusations and reputation, which comes close, but that is more about individuals and their interaction with the system and not the system itself. When someone chooses to discuss Trust and it's inner-workings this is done on the Meta board, the same should apply for Merit.

Have you seen the  "Reputation" section of the forum? All "Marketplace Trust" issues are posted there. I think you should look around the different sections a bit more than you generally do. Similarly "meta" is for discussion related to the forum. But considering the number of threads where shitposters are trying to increase post count simply by talking good about the merit system - like "shilling" the merit system - I had come up with this idea.

It might be handy to have a restricted board for members who have given away more than 100 merit ( say ). I think it would be useful for people who are actively awarding merit to discuss policy. For example, Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

One problem I see with this is that merit shouldn't be held to policy standards laid out by other Merit sources. You should be free to make your own judgements and rules without feeling scrutinized when your intentions are genuine. The example you gave sounds like what QuestionAuthority is doing and I think most people are alright with that. Obviously when you're looking for suggestions you can seek the council of others, but I just meant in general if you have a good reason for giving someone a merit then you've done the right thing.

There are some guidelines for what to give merit to. But this is again subjective. So I wont argue about it.

[EthanB]

Have you seen the  "Reputation" section of the forum? All "Marketplace Trust" issues are posted there. Similarly "meta" is for discussion related to the forum. But considering the number of threads where shitposters are trying to increase post count simply by talking good about the merit system - like "shilling" the merit system - I had come up with this idea.

I may not have explained myself as thoroughly as I would have liked. I would agree that almost all marketplace trust issues related to individuals are discussed in the reputation board, but when someone is discussing the system of trust, suggesting changes, improvements or the removal it would only be appropriate in the Meta section. Sometime an individual will provoke the entire system to change, and so this would be one of the only rare cases where discussion of the system would overlap with the Reputation board. I agree though, the "shilling" for merit posts are absorbing most of the Meta section and it is obnoxious. I'd think that time would be the best remedy for this, but this would probably be where our disagreement lies on this subject. I still see Merit Discussion as a part of Forum related discussion, since it only affects the forum and how we interact with one another. I wouldn't see it as a problem to make it a sub-section of Meta, preferably temporarily if so, to calm the waters or give a release valve for all of these posts. My main point was that the threads you're calling into question do fit into the criteria/guidelines for the Meta section, so creating another board would be redundant unless we change the purpose of the Meta section. If we were to do this, I do not see why we would need a Meta section at all, when we could just have a new board for every feature.

I think you should look around the different sections a bit more than you generally do.

This statement would be true for anybody. The implication though, is that I don't fully understand how each section operates or what the purpose of it is. I disagree with this implication vehemently. I read a lot more than I post, so if you are basing where I spend my time on where I post you would be sorely mistaken. I don't post in boards that I am completely clueless about the topic, but this is where I spend the majority of my time and do the majority of my learning.

[greeklogos]

From the day of it's appearance Merit system really was discussed a lot, but I think there is no need in a special board/section, cause this topic will stop to be actual one day and users will accept it as something usual and normal. Just give them some time to get used to it.

Did you read my OP? Stop shitposting and then read it 100times and then go write it on a piece of paper without looking at it Make sure to be able to carbon-copy it before you comment again here.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, here you suggest to creat a board about merit discussion. Right? I simply told you that in such board there is no need cause users will get used to it one day and merit system will stop to be so actual like it is now. Now, do you always call other people's opinions as shit ones when it is opposite to yours?

[TheUltraElite]

Correct me if I'm wrong, here you suggest to creat a board about merit discussion. Right? I simply told you that in such board there is no need cause users will get used to it one day and merit system will stop to be so actual like it is now. Now, do you always call other people's opinions as shit ones when it is opposite to yours?

Again read my OP fully before snipping parts of it to try to use them against me. It has been 1.5 months already and still there is an influx of threads on merit in the "meta" section which is originally made for discussions about the forum. But then not all discussions are made here - for example the trust related stuff are discussed in "Reputation". Similarly a "Merit Discussion" for these threads.

If you still dont understand what I am trying to mean or explain then please dont come here to comment. I will be reporting them as Off-topic for the moderators to clean them up.

[coin5haker]

I am tired of seeing shitposting pajeets coming to the "Meta" section who are making new threads every hour about the merit system and then shitposting through it trying to ass-lick the merit system and failing horribly at kissing the feet of the Merit sources.

I know these people have no life because even after introduction in late January these people still cant understand what merit is and how its earned and what will happen if they attempt to beg for merits.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

This section will be devoid of all signatures as well

Now, to the shitposting pajeets who make up 99% of the forum population (If that is a population at all), Please please dont derail the thread saying "Merit is good and all".

It seems that these people are highly successful, so merit sources are prone to ass-licking. Looks pity indeed, just attack some frustrated newbie who is not happy about merit, call him shitposter and get your portion of merits.

[TianaStam]

From the day of it's appearance Merit system really was discussed a lot, but I think there is no need in a special board/section, cause this topic will stop to be actual one day and users will accept it as something usual and normal. Just give them some time to get used to it.

Did you read my OP? Stop shitposting and then read it 100times and then go write it on a piece of paper without looking at it Make sure to be able to carbon-copy it before you comment again here.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

Correct me if I'm wrong, here you suggest to creat a board about merit discussion. Right? I simply told you that in such board there is no need cause users will get used to it one day and merit system will stop to be so actual like it is now. Now, do you always call other people's opinions as shit ones when it is opposite to yours?

I think you are a bit wrong. Meta is full of threads about merit and I think you need to surf them more before to make any conclusion like that. I am sure the interest to merit will not pass so fast as you think and there always will be newbies or merit beggars who will up this topic over and over again, trashing up Meta section, if you understand what I mean 

[TheUltraElite]

It seems that these people are highly successful, so merit sources are prone to ass-licking. Looks pity indeed, just attack some frustrated newbie who is not happy about merit, call him shitposter and get your portion of merits.

Life sucks isnt it? Yeah it does and its about time you shitposters get used to it and stop shitposting trying to earn some easy cash. This forum is far from a cash pit for you. Go away from this forum - and then you can reschedule your daily routine with a minus sign in front of "Bitcointalk Daily Shitposting Quota" 

I think you are a bit wrong. Meta is full of threads about merit and I think you need to surf them more before to make any conclusion like that. I am sure the interest to merit will not pass so fast as you think and there always will be newbies or merit beggars who will up this topic over and over again, trashing up Meta section, if you understand what I mean 

This is correct and this is the reason why I came up with the idea. Lets keep the discussions related to merit elsewhere in a different section/subsection and not in meta.

[EthanB]

It has been 1.5 months already and still there is an influx of threads on merit in the "meta" section which is originally made for discussions about the forum. But then not all discussions are made here - for example the trust related stuff are discussed in "Reputation". Similarly a "Merit Discussion" for these threads.

Again, only an individual's trust related discussion is meant for the "Reputation" board; nobody is discussing changes or exclusively making complaints about the Trust System in "Reputation". Whenever a user has suggestions or complaints about the Trust System as a whole it is discussed on the Meta board. If you were suggesting a board called "Merit abuse" where we discuss an individual's interaction with the merit system then I would say this is consistent with the layout of the forum. However, when discussing the Merit system as a whole then there is no way it doesn't fit the criteria for Meta discussion. Am I wrong about this? I would be on board if I am failing to consider something or am defining something incorrectly.

I think we will start to see all of this merit hubbub die down after about 4-6 months. There are thousands of people adjusting and in their death throes.

[DaftAjax]

I had this in mind some moments ago:

I'm gonna make a thread about the Merit System, specifically to the threads in the Meta section that somehow slowly being a MEGA thread because of those members that are making the same shit (same topic) about the new System. Repeating the same complaints; the same appraisals, that have already been mentioned or discussed in the Major thread about the Merit System (theymos' post).

But I realized, then how am I different from them? Then, I saw this thread and say, "this is perfect".

So what I really want to say is that: How long will this nightmare remain (issue about Merit System)? How long will they keep on asking the same questions over and over - being answered over and over. I've noticed that many people are also very annoyed about this. Not only those members who complains, also those members that are praising the System like they really knew what's going on (not saying that all those people that are praising it). Specifically some post like these:

It's got to be said the more you read this thread the more you'll understand why the merit system is in place.
I'd recommend it to anyone new, at least a few pages

But since people believe more posts will increase their chance on getting merrited, isn't this proof that this system is not working? I believe it is.

While introduce in merit system, every rank person is set to the lowest merit score in that rank.This is unfair.it should have prorated according to the activity at that point of time. Agree?

Notice to the public:
Merit makes us crazy, be careful not to be the subject but indeed subject.
Look member to member quarrel each other. I like and dislike this merit but the truth we are all subjects.
Watch your way. POST AT YOUR OWN RISK but don't beg for merit or other wise it will kick you out.

So by separating this to the Meta section creates space for them to constantly talk about it or resolve these never ending questions. And also to prompt them directly into a Section that is all about the System no the Meta. Because this section has other uses not just the Merit System.

[Jet Cash]

I thought for a moment that plagiarism was going to take over from merits, but merit seems to have fought back. Maybe we should try to revive discussions about activity. That could be considered to be unfair, as it is fairly easy for a competent poster to knock out 14 decent posts in an hour or so.

That is if he hasn't worn out his keyboard. I keep dropping my "a" characters, and constant editing slows one down.

[TheUltraElite]

I thought for a moment that plagiarism was going to take over from merits, but merit seems to have fought back.

Plagiarized content is taken down once reported to mods. They also ban those shitposters. Copy-pasting is just pathetic. Only lowlife spammers can do that and not build their own content.

Maybe we should try to revive discussions about activity. That could be considered to be unfair, as it is fairly easy for a competent poster to knock out 14 decent posts in an hour or so.

Discussions about activity? How does that end up on this topic? I know there used to be some complaining threads like "Why is my activity not increasing" before merit was introduced - are you referring to those? Activity is fairly easier to achieve for shitposters but not merits. Which is why threads on merit became so rampant and not activity.

That is if he hasn't worn out his keyboard. I keep dropping my "a" characters, and constant editing slows one down.

The "u" on my keyboard also does not work at times. Does that make me a shitposter too? 

[Aikidoka]

The Meta section is going to be the second version of Bitcoin Discussion section as it is already filled with new topics that are similar to each other. The problem is not within this section but within people either they agree or disagree with the new system. They used to complain about the negative trust system, and now they are complaining about the merit system. Give someone a little bit of freedom and he will go beyond that and mess it up.

[paxmao]

I am tired of seeing shitposting pajeets coming to the "Meta" section who are making new threads every hour about the merit system and then shitposting through it trying to ass-lick the merit system and failing horribly at kissing the feet of the Merit sources.

I know these people have no life because even after introduction in late January these people still cant understand what merit is and how its earned and what will happen if they attempt to beg for merits.

So lets face it. We need a separate board, possibly under "Other" which will be devoted to discussions regarding merit, theymos's official post about merit will be pinned there. All merit related queries will be posted there and all "Rank-up Merit challenges" and such threads will be posted there.

This section will be devoid of all signatures as well

Now, to the shitposting pajeets who make up 99% of the forum population (If that is a population at all), Please please dont derail the thread saying "Merit is good and all".

Perhaps the merit is bad and merit has to change will eventually fade. I think it is too early for this.

Just one thing, I wouldn´t like to standardise a racial insult on the forum. Not that I am politically correct, but it just doesn´t feel right. Merit beggars or merit-whining could probably be enough.

[Taki]

Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

I think that you did. We shouldn't treat merit as something that only exceptional posters deserve. We have so much merit that we can share some points with new users who are showing interest in the subject and spending a while before they write something. You can see that in some posts that they aren't just generic responses.
I tend to give merit to posters whose posts I like and agree with, posts I personally find entertaining. They not necessarily have to be informative or witty. I think many of us (me included) are hoarding merit points like we were afraid to merit someone that is a spammer trying to act smart to collect some merit.

You just prove the idea that in the biggest number of cases giving of sMerits stay subjective. Meriting of someone is like agreement with his words, but you are totally right that we kinda afraid to give sMerit to every possible poster whos comment we find the exactly what we think ourselves, cause of this one comment may be good and correct, but remaining comments are shitty or simply weak ones.

[Oliveir]

smurf!!!! I just wished I joined earlier when my friend invited me before, maybe I don't think too much thinking to get merit just to rank up but I was just thinking whom to give my merits, merit policy is good, their is no need to create its own board since meta page is created for that reason.

[TheUltraElite]

Did I do the right thing in giving him a merit?

I think that you did. We shouldn't treat merit as something that only exceptional posters deserve. We have so much merit that we can share some points with new users who are showing interest in the subject and spending a while before they write something. You can see that in some posts that they aren't just generic responses.
I tend to give merit to posters whose posts I like and agree with, posts I personally find entertaining. They not necessarily have to be informative or witty. I think many of us (me included) are hoarding merit points like we were afraid to merit someone that is a spammer trying to act smart to collect some merit.

You just prove the idea that in the biggest number of cases giving of sMerits stay subjective. Meriting of someone is like agreement with his words, but you are totally right that we kinda afraid to give sMerit to every possible poster whos comment we find the exactly what we think ourselves, cause of this one comment may be good and correct, but remaining comments are shitty or simply weak ones.

You people are still not able to understand which posts to send sMerits to. Yes its subjective but merits are not to be given to every post that a person agrees to. Merit is supposed to be given to posts that makes substantial contribution to the discussion - that may or may not agree to your comment. Yes majority of posts are done by generic shitposters but there are posts in between them done by quality posters.

smurf!!!! I just wished I joined earlier when my friend invited me before, maybe I don't think too much thinking to get merit just to rank up but I was just thinking whom to give my merits, merit policy is good, their is no need to create its own board since meta page is created for that reason.

Are you not a newbie here? You should focus in initiating good discussion in the threads and dont run after merits. That all I can say for now.