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October 10, 2013, 05:16:03 PM
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If any of US fellows would like to continue keeping and handling his portfolio through a third party, I will do it for 1% of the stake (shares+dividends)
PM me if you are interested Smiley
Update: I asked a lawyer friend about this situation and if acting on behalf of a person and managing his/her security shares in such a context is legally OK and risk-free. He told me that he doesn't advise such undertaking since it may bring unexpected legal difficulties for both parties of such a deal. Therefore here to inform that I resign my offer.
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DividendRippler.com has turned ripple into a decentralized stock exchange. The accounting for shares and dividends is decentralized in ripple itself.

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October 10, 2013, 09:55:30 PM
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id feel sorry but your American so...HAHA... really the way your people screw over everyone else in the world... the main ones BP, but theres others.... the people are ok well except the retards with the guns who think its a god given right to run around with them...
My apologies but my reasons for writing this post was to vent my frustrations and see if someone had any idea on a workaround.  I can bash my own government as I live here and have voted for these idiots. 

In your case, you are just a troll with no obvious ideas of merit.  So poof you are now ignored.

PS>  I am one of those gun-toting idiots as you so eloquently put it.  Try earning the skills to destroy an orange at 400 meters as I can.  I will be able to feed myself no matter what happens politically, while you will get a hernia merely walking to the grocery store, if it still exists!


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October 10, 2013, 10:00:04 PM
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Well, add Dwolla to the list also:
Dear Dwolla Account Holder,

As you know, Dwolla does not sell, accept, mine, value, take possession of, or hold Bitcoin or any other virtual currency product, and none of Dwolla’s users transact business with Dwolla using Bitcoin or any other virtual currency product. However, recent interest involving virtual currency and its exchanges has created uncertainty and confusion around virtual currency, and Dwolla's relationship with a small number of its exchanges. This has forced Dwolla to reassign resources, funds, and services.

As Dwolla gears up for a new stage of growth, we recognize that we can no longer sustain this merchant base (.1 percent of Dwolla merchants) and its unique needs, and that attempting to do so jeopardizes both of our communities' starkly different, but similarly ambitious, vision for improving payments.

Effective October 28, 2013 at 4pm CT, Dwolla will be withdrawing its service offerings to virtual currency exchanges and virtual currency related services.

What does this mean?
•   Your account, and its functionality, will remain unaffected. However, you can deactivate your account from within your Dwolla dashboard, if you so choose.
•   Dwolla aims to provide its users and the few affected merchants with the guidance necessary to ensure a smooth transition. To do that, we encourage users to over-communicate with our support team, report any suspicious activity, and revisit our terms of service to ensure uninterrupted services.
What is the timeline of events?
1.   October 10: Only existing users with a 30-day history with Dwolla will be able to send funds to merchants affected by this change.
2.   October 15: Affected merchants will be limited to sending money only, and will no longer be able to receive funds from customers. They will be able to issue refunds to customers at this time.
3.   October 28: Affected merchants’ accounts will be suspended. No further activity will be provided.
4.   October 29: Provided no security or fraud concerns, Dwolla will transfer any of the remaining funds inside the affected merchant's Dwolla account to its linked bank account.
The decision to remove anyone from the network -- no matter the circumstances -- is not something Dwolla takes lightly. We are grateful for the opportunity to service and learn from these users. We wish the community and its pioneers the best.

Sincerely,
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October 10, 2013, 10:10:25 PM
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They should just use Cavirtex but sucks to be in the USA

https://www.cavirtex.com/news

Oct. 9, 2013, 3:05 p.m. - **Debit cards have arrived as a new withdrawal option! (In Beta)

In the interest of releasing this to the public quickly, we are proud to announce our Beta launch of Debit Cards that will work with ATM or POS terminals in Canada and even some internationally! For faster withdrawals you can now sell Bitcoins for CAD and then take out the cash at ATM's! There is a one-time fee of $10 to have the card mailed to you, once you have the card there is a low administration fee of $1.50 to add funds to the card. You must have VirtEx CAD to withdraw to this card and you must be cash or online verified but no bank account is required. Loads are performed once per business day at 5PM(MST) starting tomorrow.

The first step is to make sure your contact information has your correct address, this is where your card will be mailed by regular mail, next go to Withdraw CAD and choose an amount to withdraw A debit card (with PIN) will then be mailed to you but the amount will not be loaded until you have confirmed receipt of the card by submitting a ticket under the new category: ”Prepaid Debit”. You will then receive a confirmation e-mail when your first amount is loaded. More details will follow with the release of a full fee schedule for card use shortly. When Beta ends in approximately 1-2months we will enable live 24/7 loading of these cards the moment you press withdraw CAD! We will also allow for Canada express post rush card delivery shortly!

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October 10, 2013, 10:48:24 PM
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If any of US fellows would like to continue keeping and handling his portfolio through a third party, I will do it for 1% of the stake (shares+dividends)
PM me if you are interested Smiley
Update: I asked a lawyer friend about this situation and if acting on behalf of a person and managing his/her security shares in such a context is legally OK and risk-free. He told me that he doesn't advise such undertaking since it may bring unexpected legal difficulties for both parties of such a deal. Therefore here to inform that I resign my offer.

That's interesting advice from a lawyer -- "I advise you not to do that because you may have to hire me if you do."
Dude, the lawyer is a friend, we know each other from high school, and he doesn't look at me as another target for making more money Smiley
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October 10, 2013, 11:05:04 PM
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If any of US fellows would like to continue keeping and handling his portfolio through a third party, I will do it for 1% of the stake (shares+dividends)
PM me if you are interested Smiley
Update: I asked a lawyer friend about this situation and if acting on behalf of a person and managing his/her security shares in such a context is legally OK and risk-free. He told me that he doesn't advise such undertaking since it may bring unexpected legal difficulties for both parties of such a deal. Therefore here to inform that I resign my offer.

That's interesting advice from a lawyer -- "I advise you not to do that because you may have to hire me if you do."
Dude, the lawyer is a friend, we know each other from high school, and he doesn't look at me as another target for making more money Smiley

yea well anyway... i'm glad i am a dual citizen and saw all this shit coming down a few years ago ... luckily the EU countries (I know it sounds crazy to even say this) are more friendly to financial innovation... US govt is getting too big and squashing entrepreneurial culture that made America great... revenge of the bureaucrats...

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October 10, 2013, 11:22:26 PM
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If any of US fellows would like to continue keeping and handling his portfolio through a third party, I will do it for 1% of the stake (shares+dividends)
PM me if you are interested Smiley
Update: I asked a lawyer friend about this situation and if acting on behalf of a person and managing his/her security shares in such a context is legally OK and risk-free. He told me that he doesn't advise such undertaking since it may bring unexpected legal difficulties for both parties of such a deal. Therefore here to inform that I resign my offer.

That's interesting advice from a lawyer -- "I advise you not to do that because you may have to hire me if you do."
Dude, the lawyer is a friend, we know each other from high school, and he doesn't look at me as another target for making more money Smiley

yea well anyway... i'm glad i am a dual citizen and saw all this shit coming down a few years ago ... luckily the EU countries (I know it sounds crazy to even say this) are more friendly to financial innovation... US govt is getting too big and squashing entrepreneurial culture that made America great... revenge of the bureaucrats...
Hope you American bitcoin investors find a way out of this shitty situation, to restore your portfolio somewhere or someway. I would have been more than happy to help, but unfortunately it's too risky and not suitable for an academic person like me.
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October 11, 2013, 03:42:13 AM
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Effective October 28, 2013 at 4pm CT, Dwolla will be withdrawing its service offerings to virtual currency exchanges and virtual currency related services.

It is interesting that the deadlines for all three are at the same time. I wonder if something is going to happen on Nov. 1st.

That's actually an interesting observation, I will be expecting some sort of  news release on November 1st now myself
Besides the Crowdfunding legislation bill

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October 11, 2013, 01:14:39 PM
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luckily the EU countries (I know it sounds crazy to even say this) are more friendly to financial innovation...

Doesn't sound crazy at all.

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luckily the EU countries (I know it sounds crazy to even say this) are more friendly to financial innovation...

Doesn't sound crazy at all.

Well yes now, but historically speaking MNC exec's complained about all of the red tape in EU countries and how those economies were slower to recover from recessionary periods due to inability to adjust to new economic opportunities.  It seems the tables have turned?

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October 13, 2013, 11:17:01 PM
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They should just use Cavirtex but sucks to be in the USA

https://www.cavirtex.com/news

Oct. 9, 2013, 3:05 p.m. - **Debit cards have arrived as a new withdrawal option! (In Beta)

In the interest of releasing this to the public quickly, we are proud to announce our Beta launch of Debit Cards that will work with ATM or POS terminals in Canada and even some internationally! For faster withdrawals you can now sell Bitcoins for CAD and then take out the cash at ATM's! There is a one-time fee of $10 to have the card mailed to you, once you have the card there is a low administration fee of $1.50 to add funds to the card. You must have VirtEx CAD to withdraw to this card and you must be cash or online verified but no bank account is required. Loads are performed once per business day at 5PM(MST) starting tomorrow.

The first step is to make sure your contact information has your correct address, this is where your card will be mailed by regular mail, next go to Withdraw CAD and choose an amount to withdraw A debit card (with PIN) will then be mailed to you but the amount will not be loaded until you have confirmed receipt of the card by submitting a ticket under the new category: ”Prepaid Debit”. You will then receive a confirmation e-mail when your first amount is loaded. More details will follow with the release of a full fee schedule for card use shortly. When Beta ends in approximately 1-2months we will enable live 24/7 loading of these cards the moment you press withdraw CAD! We will also allow for Canada express post rush card delivery shortly!
Yeah, but you know Cavirtex will fall / require AML eventually, right? The only exchange that I'd call safe is MPEx.
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October 14, 2013, 02:27:41 AM
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Every freedom seems to be slowly taken away from Americans under the guise of homeland security and fighting terrorism. I wonder how soon before its illegal for American citizens to even have a bank account outside the U.S.

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October 14, 2013, 07:23:40 AM
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They should just use Cavirtex but sucks to be in the USA

https://www.cavirtex.com/news

Oct. 9, 2013, 3:05 p.m. - **Debit cards have arrived as a new withdrawal option! (In Beta)

In the interest of releasing this to the public quickly, we are proud to announce our Beta launch of Debit Cards that will work with ATM or POS terminals in Canada and even some internationally! For faster withdrawals you can now sell Bitcoins for CAD and then take out the cash at ATM's! There is a one-time fee of $10 to have the card mailed to you, once you have the card there is a low administration fee of $1.50 to add funds to the card. You must have VirtEx CAD to withdraw to this card and you must be cash or online verified but no bank account is required. Loads are performed once per business day at 5PM(MST) starting tomorrow.

The first step is to make sure your contact information has your correct address, this is where your card will be mailed by regular mail, next go to Withdraw CAD and choose an amount to withdraw A debit card (with PIN) will then be mailed to you but the amount will not be loaded until you have confirmed receipt of the card by submitting a ticket under the new category: ”Prepaid Debit”. You will then receive a confirmation e-mail when your first amount is loaded. More details will follow with the release of a full fee schedule for card use shortly. When Beta ends in approximately 1-2months we will enable live 24/7 loading of these cards the moment you press withdraw CAD! We will also allow for Canada express post rush card delivery shortly!
Yeah, but you know Cavirtex will fall / require AML eventually, right? The only exchange that I'd call safe is MPEx.

It is a possibility tradefortess that they will require AML for this, they already do KYC documents but for now it is in beta.

The Anti-Money Laundering part of the document however has no jurisdiction in the United States since they primarily deal with Canadian customers (or dual-citizens). (I believe you are alluding to the Federal Shutdown of the last attempt at a bitcoin visa)

That said I looked back at the previous post and quoted a bad example since we are talking about American Citizen's.

To say that they will fall/collapse as an exchange implies that they haven't been building up a network which is unlikely as they are spending time and resources to develop a merchant user-base and are starting to grow it albeit gradually.
https://www.cavirtex.com/merchant_directory

https://www.cavirtex.com/faq
What is online and cash verification?

In order to create barriers for money laundering and other abusive uses of our system as well as to comply with government regulations, we perform a type of due diligence known as KYC (know your customer) compliance for customers choosing to use payment methods shown here.

When logged into your account go to the account verification link and submit the documents

Can check the previous notes

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1) New banking relationships recently secured demand large capital reserves in order for them to work with us.
2) VirtEx is re-investing all revenues to grow our company and maintain our team of 15 employees, as well as investing in marketing and legal counsel.
I do intend on paying a dividend once the company shows sustained growth and profitability, and will be providing the next dividend update as well as financials by Q1 2014.”

Sept. 26, 2013, 3:52 p.m. - Recent Fraud Attempts require us to tighten our verification procedures yet again!

From CEO Joseph David: "I grow increasingly frustrated with the amount of fraud BTC attracts. My mission has always been to keep Canadian funds in Canadian Banks and service Canadian Citizens only. Every time even one fraud attempt occurs, it damages our relationships with our banks and payment providers and makes it more difficult for all Canadian Bitcoin exchange to operate. As a result of recent fraud attempts, I am drastically increasing our verification requirements and all verified customers will be contacted to update their documentation if needed. Please see the new document requirements on the account verification page and upload any documents that you may be missing. The limits on Bill Payment will now be a maximum of $9,000 per day with $90,000 per 30 day period. Be warned that if you attempt to exceed $30,000 per 30 day period via any payment method we will require a bank reference letter before crediting any received payments. If you would like to make larger deposits, you must be cash verified and use the wire transfer option. We have also implemented velocity controls on new accounts and will be holding all deposits of $5,000 or more via any method for 3 business days AFTER we receive the funds before we can credit your account. I understand that these new policies are frustrating for new and existing users however my goal is to maintain Bitcoin Exchange in Canada with Canadian banks."


I agree Mpex one way or another will not die silently
Unless MP gets put into jail
Don't recall the contingencies of MPEX if the operator is gone.

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October 14, 2013, 07:45:15 AM
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As a non US citizen in a country that will discover bitcoin in about 10 years or so, I offer my services to be a proxy for US citizens portfolios. Smiley

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Well yes now, but historically speaking MNC exec's complained about all of the red tape in EU countries and how those economies were slower to recover from recessionary periods due to inability to adjust to new economic opportunities.  It seems the tables have turned?

Well, the tables have turned inasmuch as the US has become a rogue state.

I agree Mpex one way or another will not die silently
Unless MP gets put into jail
Don't recall the contingencies of MPEX if the operator is gone.

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 In case the domain is confiscated or otherwise lost MPEx will move to a different domain, in a different jurisdiction. Should the same happen again, MPEx would move to what will at the time be a solid alternative for a free Internet, be it the TOR network, namecoin or some equivalent DNS or any comparable solution. No government will ever be able to stop the Internet, in general. We're prepared to show this in the particular.

Should the systems be confiscated or otherwise lost the service will failover to different systems, possibly on bulletproof hosting if need be. If sufficient pressure is put on this side MPEx will be recoded as a p2p system.

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Every freedom seems to be slowly taken away from Americans under the guise of homeland security and fighting terrorism. I wonder how soon before its illegal for American citizens to even have a bank account outside the U.S.
They won't even need to make it illegal as a growing list of foreign owned banks, payment processors and financial companies are already singing kay sera sera to the US.
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Every freedom seems to be slowly taken away from Americans under the guise of homeland security and fighting terrorism. I wonder how soon before its illegal for American citizens to even have a bank account outside the U.S.
They won't even need to make it illegal as a growing list of foreign owned banks, payment processors and financial companies are already singing kay sera sera to the US.


Though I am sure the U.S. would still prefer to have complete control and that would not be too difficult for them to just make it illegal to own a foreign bank account if you are American. Granted, they are getting a lot of data handed over from foreign banks, processors, etc. I am sure the U.S. will deem that not enough. Absolute money control is the government's goal and it'll probably stretch past American's if they allow it. They already monitor global internet data as it passes through the U.S. We've already seen instances of the long arm of the U.S. arresting and seizing foreign assets and foreigners.

I think Americans need to push for separatist movements in my opinion.

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sad to hear, but you are voting for those assholes who run your country and changing it to fascist state. Next time you will be not allow to travel abroad probably, only few of you would have a chance to even get a passport... sad to hear, again.

How exactly can we be expected to vote for someone when everything they do is top secret and not disclosed to the general public?

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Every freedom seems to be slowly taken away from Americans under the guise of homeland security and fighting terrorism. I wonder how soon before its illegal for American citizens to even have a bank account outside the U.S.
They won't even need to make it illegal as a growing list of foreign owned banks, payment processors and financial companies are already singing kay sera sera to the US.

This is true...

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