Was Sergei Skripal poisoned by the Russians?

[guybrushthreepwood]

The British military base at Porton Down - deemed a "pioneer in chemicals research" - is more than capable of manufacturing it. Chances are that they manufactured it, but unfortunately a truly independent investigation will never be allowed to take place while the likes of Theresa May sits in government.

How difficult would it be to sneak this stuff into the country as well? If you get caught with that at the border or having it shipped to you you'd be in serious trouble or your cover would be immediately blown. It would make it more likely that it was made in the UK, otherwise buying a gun or using some other sort of drug would be both far easier and safer to procure.

This also happened this week though isn't believed to be related:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/mar/16/police-launch-inquiry-over-death-of-nikolai-glushkov

Police have launched a murder investigation into the death of the Russian businessman Nikolai Glushkov after a pathologist concluded he died from compression to the neck, suggesting he may have been strangled by hand or ligature.

The Met police’s counter-terrorism command is retaining its lead role in the investigation “because of the associations Mr Glushkov is believed to have had” but has cautioned that there is no suggestion of a link with the attempted murders of the Russian former spy Sergei Skripal and his daughter, Yulia, in Salisbury almost two weeks ago.

Now this would be more like how I would assume they'd get taken out, though I suppose this could be suicide given the trial (or that's what they wanted it to look like *puts on tinfoil hat*).

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[Jet Cash]

Well it seems that it was placed on the daughter's clothes before she came to England, and this is why so many people have come into contact with it.

It's looking more and more like a deep state operation. Russia has launched an enquiry, and Theresa May has refuse to provide them with a sample for analysis. This is in contravention of International law. It will also make it harder for Russia to track down the source of the toxin. Theresa May is a deep state Unicorn politician, and this action by her is predictable if she is trying to get Russia off the United Nations Security Council

Don't forget that a Unicorn is a rather nasty creature invented by man, and used to capture and enslave wild horses in the past.

[MJK_Anfaenger]

Okay, I'm out. This deep state stuff to me is a symptom of people trying to make sense of the world around them and failing. To some people it's easier to imagine that there are puppet masters pulling the strings in the background, than accepting that the world is a chaotic place where nothing follows a plan. Nothing happens by accident, it's all just part of a grand conspiracy. But you, yes you, you figured it out. All the eggheads in their offices couldn't see through these evil machinations, but you realized what's going on after watching some Youtube videos. I guess you're just a little bit special.

I seriously hope that you can be given new faith in democracy. I wonder what has to be done. Does the political system have to become more accessible and transparent? Does the way of communicating issues have to change? Do you?

Sorry for the rant.

[Jet Cash]

Here is a quote from the Guardian

Mirzayanov worked inside the secret military installation where novichok was developed; his job was testing the surrounding air and soil for traces of novichok.

When he realized that Moscow’s military was lying about the possible applications of novichok and that the program risked undermining global chemical weapons bans, he said, he decided to expose it, publishing his first account in the Russian press in 1991.

He was arrested in 1994 and charged with divulging state secrets. Intervention by the US government, the Soros foundation and activists including his wife Gale, an American, secured his asylum in the United States.

What a surprise - Soros was involved in the protection of the scientist who worked on the chemical.

Soros is the guy who funded the Clintons and Obama, and is currently funding the anti-Brexit movement amongst others. The sums of money he throws around are enormous - hundreds of billions of dollars.

[paulmaritz]

Okay, I'm out. This deep state stuff to me is a symptom of people trying to make sense of the world around them and failing. To some people it's easier to imagine that there are puppet masters pulling the strings in the background, than accepting that the world is a chaotic place where nothing follows a plan. Nothing happens by accident, it's all just part of a grand conspiracy. But you, yes you, you figured it out. All the eggheads in their offices couldn't see through these evil machinations, but you realized what's going on after watching some Youtube videos. I guess you're just a little bit special.

I seriously hope that you can be given new faith in democracy. I wonder what has to be done. Does the political system have to become more accessible and transparent? Does the way of communicating issues have to change? Do you?

Sorry for the rant.

The truth hurts. It is better to respond with a rant based on half-assed assumptions and subjective BS than to face it full on.

[paulmaritz]

Here is a quote from the Guardian

Mirzayanov worked inside the secret military installation where novichok was developed; his job was testing the surrounding air and soil for traces of novichok.

When he realized that Moscow’s military was lying about the possible applications of novichok and that the program risked undermining global chemical weapons bans, he said, he decided to expose it, publishing his first account in the Russian press in 1991.

He was arrested in 1994 and charged with divulging state secrets. Intervention by the US government, the Soros foundation and activists including his wife Gale, an American, secured his asylum in the United States.

What a surprise - Soros was involved in the protection of the scientist who worked on the chemical.

Soros is the guy who funded the Clintons and Obama, and is currently funding the anti-Brexit movement amongst others. The sums of money he throws around are enormous - hundreds of billions of dollars.

And Soros is on record for having a strong disliking of President Putin.

[Jet Cash]

And another Russian has been murdered, and Putin has forced the English police to admit he was strangled, and they were reluctant to do this. This isn't the action of a guilty man.

Putin is blocking the invasion of Syria in order to remove their democratically elected leader - Assad. The game seems to be working towards removing Russia from the UN, so that they can invade Syria. They also need to create a war to cope with the collapsing dollar and the massive debt associated with it. They need control of the mineral wealth in North Korea as well, and that was what all the fuss and posturing was about. I bet they are p'd off now that Trump seems to be trying to find a peaceful result.

Russia is also working with China to replace the petro-dollar with the petro-yuan, or possibly the petro-ruble. That is going to have a big impact on the value of the dollar.

[paulmaritz]

And another Russian has been murdered, and Putin has forced the English police to admit he was strangled, and they were reluctant to do this. This isn't the action of a guilty man.

Putin is blocking the invasion of Syria in order to remove their democratically elected leader - Assad. The game seems to be working towards removing Russia from the UN, so that they can invade Syria. They also need to create a war to cope with the collapsing dollar and the massive debt associated with it. They need control of the mineral wealth in North Korea as well, and that was what all the fuss and posturing was about. I bet they are p'd off now that Trump seems to be trying to find a peaceful result.

Russia is also working with China to replace the petro-dollar with the petro-yuan, or possibly the petro-ruble. That is going to have a big impact on the value of the dollar.

And not even to speak of all the Russian ambassadors, scientists and other Russians that were murdered, including Putin's favorite driver.

[Jet Cash]

I'm a bit stressed about the whole thing. I want Brexit to happen tomorrow, and we can dump the EU, and just trade with the European countries that we want to. Don't forget that Russia ia a European country as well.

I think we should be looking at the Belt and Road Initiative coming out of Asia, and forget about the minor ring fenced organisation called the EU. The EU won't survive without our money and purchases from them anyway.

[Rogerdale]

Well it seems that it was placed on the daughter's clothes before she came to England, and this is why so many people have come into contact with it.

I wouldn't think it was clothes. Have you tried putting a French cheese in luggage? After the flight you would smell it even before opening a suitcase. And remember, this was a nerve agent.

So if it came with the daughter, it must have been something properly sealed, a spray for example, or a bottle. It is simply not possible to poison clothes in a suitcase without poisoning Yulia, flight crew and passengers or everyone who touched this suitcase in the airport. And if it was a spray or a bottle, it's impossible to unseal it in the airport, put a poison inside and seal it back (maybe except "eau de parfum").

By the way, a new conspiracy theory, an interview with Victoria Skripal (a niece of Sergei Skripal): http://telegra.ph/Pochemu-vy-dumaete-chto-ubit-hoteli-imenno-ego-a-ne-doch-EHksklyuzivnoe-intervyu-s-semej-Sergeya-Skripalya-otravlennogo-yadom-No-03-14-2 She thinks that it was an attempt to kill Yulia by a mother of her fiance, who was strictly against their wedding (she insisted that her son should not merry "the daughter of a traitor"). Well, you know, it is quite common in Russia, when someone travels abroad to a immigrated relative, pass gifts from all the family. So when someone says "pass on this "eau de parfum" to your lovely father as my personal gift" - you just wouldn't suspect anything at all.

But in fact, it is better if it was a secret service. Otherwise I would be scary that it is so easy to get a nerve agent in Russia. But Russia will never start any investigation on its territory even if there is 100% evidence that the poison came from Russia, they will never acknowledge that fact, it's too sensitive. We will never find out the truth.

[Jet Cash]

I understand it was in powder form.

Handling itis quite a risky and specialist task, as is the manufacture. It is unlikely to be planted or obtained by someone without a goodlevel of specialist knowledge. That knowledge is more likely to be in the deep state as a result of their actions to try to lay a false blame on Assad. I think the association with Soros is a significant factor as well. That lies more with the need to spread alarm in the UK. The Unicorn deep state agent Theresa May rushed straight in to blame Russia, and this was without any investigation. That smacks of orders from above.

[veleten]

such an obvious false flag set up that I don't think it is even worth discussing
1.no evidence that Russia as a state is connected to the "murder" in any way,other than statements that the gas was of Soviet origin
according to Brits,no other country had the formula
(I put murder in quotes,since they are both alive and there is no information about their current condition)
accidentally,there was a ... facility nearby that quickly determined the unknown formula and injected antidote
same as with the US presidential involvement-we have all the evidence "winking",but it is too secret to show you

2.the timing
do you think that russians had no other timeframe to do this but right before the presidential elections?
you can call them anything,but they are not stupid
3.the reason
why? why on earth try to kill a spy that has been exchanged years ago
what danger could he pose to anyone other than serve as a sacrificial lamb
4.qui bono
who is to gain? doesn't it look to be just one of the steps in trying to discredit Russia and demonize it,think about it
and you will see that there was 0 profit for the russians from this death
5.the method
seriously...chemical weapon,they should have eliminated him with a dirty bomb instead with "made in russia" written on it /sarcasm

there are more incosistencies like the picture of the scene,where two people in full cycle biochemical protection suits,two people in
protective gear and masks... and three brave firemen two metres away,squarejawing into cameras
oh and have you seen the "Strike back" series,the funny thing is that one of the villains tried to poison the good guys with the gas called "Novichek"
don't believe me-go watch it yourselves
this was timed with a Syrian setup,where Asad was going to be accused of a chemical weapon attack on civilians,of course,Russia was to blame again

this can only work on total russofobic audience and people with no critical thinking and logics
what is disturbing,the war is coming,see false flags like Lousitania or Pearl Harbor-prepare for war

[paulmaritz]

For those in the West who fail to grasp the seriousness of the situation, based on reality and not pie in the sky (or BBC propaganda), be sure to listen to what Russian presidential candidate, Vladimir Zhirinovsky, had to say about the issue: https://youtu.be/_aip_AtDxns

P.S. Yes, Zhirinovsky is hot-headed, but speaks the truth.

[Jet Cash]

Here are some things to think about.

- The only country that has chemical weapons at the moment is the US, and the developer of the toxin was given sanctuary in the US. So was it the US, some of the evidence points to them. Steps back - what would the US have gain, probably nothing, so it is unlikely to be them.

- The UK military lab is at Porton Down, and that is only a few miles away from Salisbury. They identified the poison fairly quickly, and in order to do this, they would need to have a sample for comparison. So was it the UK, some of the evidence points to them. Steps back - what would the UK have to gain, probably nothing, so it unlikely to be them.

- The poison was developed in Russia, and the guy was a Russian defector who had been pardoned by the current government, some of the evidence points to Russia. Steps back again, what would Russia have to gain, probably nothing, and a great deal to lose, so they are probably the least likely culprits.

- The only gainers from this botched attempt to kill Skripal is the Deep State, and they badly need an event to try to save their failing influence, and totry to depose Assad. What is the evidence, well there isn't any of course, so we have to consider probabilities and coincidences. Soros was instrumental in the rerptrition of the developer of the toxin. Theresa May is a Deep State Unicorn, and she has villified Russia without evidence, and hs refused to cooperate with them in the investigation. This is the action of someone attempting to conceal the facts.

Lets hope that the evidence does surface before the Deep State manages to get Russia removed from the United Nations security council, this seems to be the object of the excercise.

[veleten]

Here are some things to think about.

- The only country that has chemical weapons at the moment is the US, and the developer of the toxin was given sanctuary in the US. So was it the US, some of the evidence points to them. Steps back - what would the US have gain, probably nothing, so it is unlikely to be them.

- The UK military lab is at Porton Down, and that is only a few miles away from Salisbury. They identified the poison fairly quickly, and in order to do this, they would need to have a sample for comparison. So was it the UK, some of the evidence points to them. Steps back - what would the UK have to gain, probably nothing, so it unlikely to be them.

- The poison was developed in Russia, and the guy was a Russian defector who had been pardoned by the current government, some of the evidence points to Russia. Steps back again, what would Russia have to gain, probably nothing, and a great deal to lose, so they are probably the least likely culprits.

- The only gainers from this botched attempt to kill Skripal is the Deep State, and they badly need an event to try to save their failing influence, and totry to depose Assad. What is the evidence, well there isn't any of course, so we have to consider probabilities and coincidences. Soros was instrumental in the rerptrition of the developer of the toxin. Theresa May is a Deep State Unicorn, and she has villified Russia without evidence, and hs refused to cooperate with them in the investigation. This is the action of someone attempting to conceal the facts.

Lets hope that the evidence does surface before the Deep State manages to get Russia removed from the United Nations security council, this seems to be the object of the excercise.

I would agree with it,only it is not the Deep State which is the culprit,IMHO (or you can call it Global Goverment,Cabal or any other name there is)
they are not interested in demonizing Russia at the moment,the all out war is not their goal right now-the shift of power is and establishing several new centres of power:China,mostly and Russia and Iran,potentially
just look at them handling the N.Korea crisis,it is obvious that the US losing their authority everywhere,they are forced out of Africa by China,losing to China in Asia and to Russia and Iran in the Middle East
as for this incident,I think it is one of the countrie's elites and the special services connected to them,most likely British, in conjunction with americans
but the way it was done,disgrace,no finesse,an obvious set up

[Jet Cash]

I would agree with it,only it is not the Deep State which is the culprit,IMHO (or you can call it Global Goverment,Cabal or any other name there is)
they are not interested in demonizing Russia at the moment,the all out war is not their goal right now

I agree with most of your points, but I can't agree with that one. Russia has broken free from the Rothschilds banking control, and that is a major threat to the globalists' power. They also need to get Russia out of the UN to create a new war over Syria.

I would have disagreed with your comment about Britain being involved. However, The Globalist Unicorn Theresa May would seem to be doing everything she can to hamper the investigtion, and this tends to give credibility to the idea.

[Jet Cash]

This starts toget even more interesting. Here is a video about the way Novichok works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caYCPMuOwRQ

It is not a single toxin, but a family of toxins, and analysis of the substance used could give a clue to its source. I suspect this is why the UK government is refusing to release a sample for analysis. Speculation seems to be increasing that the product was manufactured in Porton Down, and released to a private hit squad. There is so much variety in the conjecture surrounding this attempted assasination, that without the release of some hard facts, we may never know the true story. The possibility that it was ordered by Putin seems to be diminishing though.

[veleten]

This starts toget even more interesting. Here is a video about the way Novichok works
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caYCPMuOwRQ

It is not a single toxin, but a family of toxins, and analysis of the substance used could give a clue to its source. I suspect this is why the UK government is refusing to release a sample for analysis. Speculation seems to be increasing that the product was manufactured in Porton Down, and released to a private hit squad. There is so much variety in the conjecture surrounding this attempted assasination, that without the release of some hard facts, we may never know the true story. The possibility that it was ordered by Putin seems to be diminishing though.

of course,the chemical agent in question is deadly once it is mixed,the whole area and everyone and everything who was in contact with it
would have been poisoned and died horribly,the thing is that the whole scenario with his daughter "bringing it from Russia in her suitcase where it had been planted by the russians"
has no sense,the substance was mixed there in the UK,the goverment refuses to both grant access to the spy's daughter (who is a russian citizen)
and to give a sample for analysis,which is in a direct contradiction with the convention on chemical weapons

[ArsenyP]

Guys, you do not understand how Russia works. I live here. Trust me, it was most probably russians because of the style. EVERYTHING in Russia is affected by the corruption. And here we see a messy and unsuccessful attempt to kill someone with a wrong mean at the wrong time.
No need to look for deep state. The order of murder was given a long time ago. All the financing was stolen the job was not done. The same cycle was repeated a couple times with heavy stealing all the while. Finally from all the millions issued on the murder a couple thousand bucks fell in the hands of the actual hitman. Unprofessional unprepared with insufficient information he tried to get his hands on weapon of any kind. It is hard to get a gun and transfer it abroad. But it is possible to find a can of some deadly substance on the black market which was stolen from some secret vault by some military officer who is also stealing on a daily basis.
This is normal here. Everything that is done poorly is most probably done by the government.

[paulmaritz]

Guys, you do not understand how Russia works. I live here. Trust me, it was most probably russians because of the style. EVERYTHING in Russia is affected by the corruption. And here we see a messy and unsuccessful attempt to kill someone with a wrong mean at the wrong time.
No need to look for deep state. The order of murder was given a long time ago. All the financing was stolen the job was not done. The same cycle was repeated a couple times with heavy stealing all the while. Finally from all the millions issued on the murder a couple thousand bucks fell in the hands of the actual hitman. Unprofessional unprepared with insufficient information he tried to get his hands on weapon of any kind. It is hard to get a gun and transfer it abroad. But it is possible to find a can of some deadly substance on the black market which was stolen from some secret vault by some military officer who is also stealing on a daily basis.
This is normal here. Everything that is done poorly is most probably done by the government.

There is corruption everywhere in the world, but there is no proof that either the Russian government or Russians attempted to poison turncoat low life, Sergei Skripal. You living in Russia - true or untrue - doesn't diminish the call for a proper and independent investigation. You living in Russia also don't remove the possibility that you're a turncoat yourself. It is after all no secret that there are scumbag Russians that are more than willing to work against Mother Russia for crumbs from the table of Western intelligence services. In addition, it is very easy to use a VPN service to register at forums and pretend to live there. I will pass the details onto the SVR and FSB for verification.